SHL problems

[Sheik2102]

I've got serious problems countering Falco's SHL. Any tips? My friend can consistently SHL me and in the lag start to combo me. He's always able to hit me from nearly every position on the stage.

 

[Grunt]

Play dreamland or something small with ledges for a counter. if he can still hit you with lasers constantly, then...um.........IDK.

 

[dudutsai]

Jump over and come down with a nair

Maybe that will work?

 

[soap]

dash attack, duck, jump, use platforms, get out the way etc.

 

[Deathknight]

Sometimes throwing a stray needle can disrupt the flow of SHL thus giving you some time to rush in and attack.

 

[Sheik2102]

Thanks for the advice guys. Hopefully i will be able to get out of the way of SHL next time.

 

[Teczer0]

Powershield.

If you run then try to shield the timing seems to be easier at least for me it is >_______________>.

 

[Tr0n]

You could always try crouching XD I dunno whether that wud work or not...
And sheild-rolling might work too.
Making the most of any platforms will definitely help as soap said.

 

[Teczer0]

Gimping falco feels amazing cuz he is sooo gay to sheik.

Im starting to think that falco is sheik's worst match up

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Depends on how he shoots his lasers. most Falco's either shoot really low or really high. If they're shooting high, then just dash under it. Otherwise, jump up in front of him, charge a few needles, release them on him right in front of him and needle cancel on landing, then grab him straight out of it. From there, techchase him to whatever percent you like and then gimp him to death.

 

[Cia]

full hop Fair..

 

[enza99]

ideas that come to mind:
-crouch some (unless the SHLs r all gonna hit u....)
-platforms
-power shield? is that the term, well uhh that last minute shield thing dash and power shield to get some distance
-needle>dash>power shield> close distance attack? (just guessing if theyre SHLs a needle can go thru without hitting a laser)

 

[Tero.]

run up to them then shield (try to powershield) jump out of the shield and then fair.
look at some captain jack videos from esa2

 

[d snyde]

duck as shiek. he lasers dont hit (on some stages) Then in between lasers either jump or dash towards him. Dont try to throw a needle; he will hit you before you can throw it.
I dont know but you can also throw your chain. The chain could block the laser.

 

[soap]

chain doesnt block laser, and i found a pretty easy way to needle through lasers, if they are just laser spamming at a mid to low height to counter ur ducking/dash attacks, short hop charge over lasers, hold the charge till u land then release and u will plow through their laser and hit them, once they wise up and stop shooting or put up shine, just store needles then charge.

 

[Cia]

full hop Fair..

seriously.. this works for some reason

 

[KirbyKaze]

m2k told me to nair out of shield a lot against falco at GA a while back.

 

[ZZZZ]

Jump fair
if they dash at you SHL to try and follow up anything just shield grab
needles from above (45 degree angle) to interupt his/her laser shooting then could follow with a grab if clsoe
those are what come to my mind, sorry if they don't help

 

[KirbyKaze]

if you can wd out of powershield into d-smash or grab it feels so cool when you pull it off.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Why would you wavedash out of powershield? You could just drop your shield after you powershield and then straight up wavedash.

 

[Magus420]

Why would you wavedash out of powershield? You could just drop your shield after you powershield and then straight up wavedash.

Why? Because it doesn't take twice as long to do the exact same thing.

 

[soap]

powershield>grab is money

 

[elvenarrow3000]

You don't have to remain in shield after a powershield though, so there's no reason you'd hold the shield up then wavedash, when you could just drop it after the powershield and wavedash.

 

[Magus420]

Yeah, and in the time it takes to drop your shield and then wavedash, you could have wavedashed twice. Your shield does not drop any faster than it normally does.

 

[Cia]

lol.. all of that is so complicated.. just fair.. lol

 

[soap]

Yeah, and in the time it takes to drop your shield and then wavedash, you could have wavedashed twice. Your shield does not drop any faster than it normally does.

really, i always thought there was no put away time on powershield, or maybe it was just there is no shield stun

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Wait but...

Power Shielding/Shield Reflecting: If you press the shield button all the way down within 3 frames of you being hit, you will block the attack without putting up your shield and be able to retaliate immediately. The computer does this frequently. If the attack is a projectile, you will reflect it back at your opponent and your shield will come up. With practice many players have been able to consistently power shield projectiles such as Falco’s lasers.

(From the Wavedashing, L-cancelling, All The Terms! Read First! Update 12/23/2007 thread)

 

[Magus420]

I might be forgetting to list something here but...

Powershield Projectile:
1) No shield damage
2) No shield hitlag
3) No shield pushback
4) No shield stun
5) Reflects the projectile

Powershield Attack:
1) No shield damage
2) Same shield hitlag
3) More shield pushback than full shield
4) Same shield stun as full shield
5) Allows you to cancel the shield dropping animation with an A or B attack


With projectiles your options are the same as they normally are out of shield, and with PSed attacks you also have the option of doing any A/B attack out of shield too. Both of those still have the shield dropping animation if you simply release it however.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Man... you're just tearing up my misconceptions all over the place.

 

[KirbyKaze]

lol.. all of that is so complicated.. just fair.. lol

but but silly technical stuff is so cool