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Shining Force II Mafia || Game Over! Who lived happily ever after?

#HBC | Gorf

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Oh man that's right you can do ANY of those. Man, the possibilities are-

~Dabuz posts~

Man you should totally go for the one that kills this dude ^
 

Rockin

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Ran, why did you even claim?I don't remember the vote count at the time, but I don't think you was in any danger.

Stances on people doesn't tell me much either. I see a lot of nulls on there.
 

ranmaru

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Rockin. Read the vc at that time. I know you try to avoid claiming if pissible, but it isnt as big a deal to me.

Dabuz. I dont understand. You play safe all the time? Anyways, I dont like it here.

:phone:
 

Dabuz

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Dabuz. I dont understand. You play safe all the time? Anyways, I dont like it here.

:phone:
I read and understand that you dislike me playing safe, but why does that make me someone worth voting? What I want to get at is, does playing safe automatically make me scummy, or are you voting me without a scumread justification?

 

ranmaru

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It makes me wary because you can let others do most of the talking and get the limelight.

:phone:
 

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rr let me answer questions directed to me kthx

:phone:
 

Dabuz

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Play safe means you have something to hide and don't want to look scummy.
Really? Something to hide? That is a bold assumption and one sided way to look at it.

It makes me wary because you can let others do most of the talking and get the limelight.

:phone:
Yes, that is one way to look at it, but you need to look at motives behind being safe. It can be a way to prevent being too loud/ dumb and becoming a town (or scum) liability. It can also be a bait, because playing safe actually makes the safe player a big target. It may also be the result of not being very sure on reads or direction yet. It can also be a NOOBscum way to hide in the dark.

Next question, how does my safe play read to you? I feel like I have been open whenever someone has asked my anything, and I haven't been afraid to say something on my mind. IIRC you have played with me in a few mafia games, and as town or scum I generally have played safe, letting others ask questions since I'm not good at pressure and prefer to wait until I have a solid, solid scum read.
 

Swiss

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Ryu you posted but didn't vote Ran.

I'll assume you simply misread my previous post. I am explicitly telling you to vote Ran.

Wifom Swiss/Ryker protect or shooting Dabuz toNight. Don't just protect me because I'm me. Get any investigatives on BM. Any other PR's have to be used with a brain.
 

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Dabuz playing safe and not talking up appears scummy. I know because everyone is accusing me of it.
Thats just how it is apparently. If we are going with the Ran lynch thats fine, but we do still have a few days. I'll leave off voting for now but will Unvote
 

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Orb, your reasoning for Dabuz scum is that same reasoning that people apply to you?
well when you put it that way, yea. I don't speak up as oten as i should because im not on a comp nearly often enough to do so. this week i should be a little more proactive about all of this.
This is a bad mindset. I'm fine with ending the Day once July chimes in.
I thought getting as much possible info out of the day was a good thing? that said, i do suppose it iscoming down to ran/dabuz anyways
 

#HBC | Gorf

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There's getting as much possible info out of the Day, and then there's forcing the Day to drag on and on and on which becomes mundane and a waste of time. And yea it's boiling down to a Ran lynch either way so :ohwell:
 

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Swiss bulldozing the game.
will vote after claim, if dabuz actually does.
still might vote for one of them if no claim soon.
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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Really? Something to hide? That is a bold assumption and one sided way to look at it.
I recognize the activity isn't a reason to look at you, college + smash + social stuff.

What is bad about playing safe is that it shows your not willing to stick your neck out and be in the open. Scum doesn't want this sometimes because it can expose them.
 

Dabuz

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I recognize the activity isn't a reason to look at you, college + smash + social stuff.

What is bad about playing safe is that it shows your not willing to stick your neck out and be in the open. Scum doesn't want this sometimes because it can expose them.
Meh, playing safe is more or less my style because sticking my neck out never ends well :urg:


W/E, I am Jaro, the useless Vanilla Townie
 

July

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I guess my point is basically this. Yea, you've got a bad vibe from me, and it's more than likely a personal problem. But there's plenty you can do at this point to get concrete stances on certain people, and tbh you're one of the few smart people left in here, sans Swiss and Ryker who are both MIA. It'd be nice to get reads from ya and bounce em off of what I'm thinking, you feel me?

How do you feel about how long it's taking Ran to catch up? Do you seriously think it should take a matter of 3~4 days?
Bah, Gorf, why you make me feel so bad about being lazy? :( I'll lay off my suspicions of you, I know they are weak and vibe based, really my reads just got devastated by the Dietz flip and Night actions so instead of reread I rebuilt on what I still had left, which wasn't much.

Should it usually take 3~4 days? No. Do I think that makes him suspicious? No, we were both on spring break so I understand his absence and deem it null.

No, it isn't. It would be swiss because of his one gambit that got Ditz's lynched. That's it tho. I wouldn't prefer you or Ryker ToDay. Plus, you gave us one scum, so if you give us another I'd feel alot better about you.



Yeah I didn't like Orbo for saying this. He is trying to seem town by saying things town shouldn't do, but then does these things himself when out of a lead. Reflects as lazyness/scummyness.



Why do you only follow swiss, and not ryker/july?



July, this is something I don't like. Coming from you, it's a null. You can't really look at someone's meta as being concrete. Instead, it'd mesh with their past meta's (or not) either to confuse you or just to mix it up.

Even so, this feels like backpeddaling. Instead of conceding that RR may have seemed townier to you, you instead say that you were wrong about his meta. You unvote people when you feel they have done things that you liked. But not here, this is different; it was convenient. Now you haven't really been accusing anyone else as hard. I KNOW you were at spring break, just like I was. I hope to see what direction you bring this time. You are null to me. (This is the only part of your play that I don't like, everything else seems fine, although Rr made a good point on you, read on to see what I mean)



Orbo states here that he didn't like felipe for doing the same thing Orbo did himself (following). This could me he was trying, but is he? Still, my read hasn't changed. It's null scum, because of lazyiness/scumminess.




I don't like him falling back on the Appeal to Authority. But, the plus is that scum got lynched so essentially giving Swiss a vote wasn't that bad.



Seems legit. She's defending Jdietz on points that I feel are legit as well. I myself thought Jdietz was pretty newbtown, so I wouldn't fault her on that. The only thing is that Jdietz was expecting her to change the direction of his wagon. I don't really see any scumminess because the Jdietz lynch made SOOOOO many connections it's stinky. Yet it's still worth noting. Here is the quote in response to him:





I actually like this.



Yeah I didn't like this either. She could have vb'd you and just come out with 'town intent' so you could be framed. She has forgotten to consider that a newb or someone that didn't know you might have done this.

Reads coming in next posssstt :bee:
I don't like this post at all.

There are brief, brief mentions of a few people that are enough to establish the town consensus reads on, and that's about it. The comments on Orbo are rather random and don't seem significant enough for the nullscum read on him. Also, his reads on Felipe, who he doesn't quote here as town while Bleck Mang is null is illogical to me. Whereas Bleck Mang has contributed enough to get some kind of solid read, or even a lean, especially on a full read, he doesn't seem to put in any effort to read him and places him as null while Felipe, imo harder to read because he has so few posts, gets a solid read for weak reasons.

What...? I see people throwing votes off of him/onto, like, Dabuz, WHAT IS THERE ABOUT ANYTHING IN THIS LIST THAT YOU CAN POSSIBLY LIKE? Nothing's really committal except for lol Rockin cuz he was neighbor and lol Felipe for essentially zero reason. Lynch. This. Mofo.

/haven't even read his big post or that much of things after this.

@July: You said you'd have a better feel for him after he started legit posting. Go for it. I want a solid read, and I wanna reason why.
I have him leaning scum. I don't like his catch-up, it's very noncommital and focuses only on what is strictly necessary,which is to provide a read on Dabuz and Orbo. His reads lack real substance, and are rather arbitrary based on the very tiny bits of reasoning he provides. His catch up provides very little support for his reads, and I dislike that the largest section of his catch-up is elaborating on a null tell on me :-/


I'd be willing to vote Ran toDay.

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