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Shining Force II Mafia || Game Over! Who lived happily ever after?

vanderzant

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With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch!

Voting (6):
Ranmaru (2): Bleck Mang, Red Ryu
dabuz (2): Swiss, Ryker
Orboknown (1): dabuz
Red Ryu (1): felipe_9595


Not Voting (4):
July
Rockin
Ranmaru
Orboknown
 

Orboknown

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I thought i had more quotes than this lined up. eh.
Hoping an emotional outburst can save you?

Anyways, I really think Ditz is town. From what I can tell, noobscum tend to hide in the background. Ditz here is doing the opposite: he's doing things that cause town to focus on him. No one made him claim, so it shows that, instead of trying to hide inti te background, he went out in the open. I've found his posts to be genuine, especially when he votes Swiss, for a couple of reasons:
1. Noobscum would be far too paranoid to vote at the point, with no one else voting.

2. He started the Swiss wagon. This put him in a lot more dangerous situation upon a Swiss town flip than if he had joined when there are other votes on.

He isn't playing it safe, and I think it makes him more genuine.



Not only is this probably untrue, the whole gambit is suspicious.

How do you think Swiss would have reacted if Ditz had kept quiet? He probably would have called him out for it, saying that he was either trying to dodge the whole situation, or talk with his scumbuds in the QT. Swiss twisted this into pretty much a lose-lose situation, intent on pegging Ditz for something.



Where do I begin?

For one, you call him out on a typo, not any actions, just a typo, which you somehow link to distancing (I don't think you ever explained how this worked). You seem to be trying to peg Ditz in any way you can in this post, too. Second, you are basing this off of your own meta, despite the fact that you do not share minds. KevinM did this in F&L mafia, too. He was scum.

Unvote

Ryker's not going to be the play today, that is certain.

You know what?

Vote: Swiss

I've seen enough.
Upon finishing my reread, im having DH/Ran town. This post in particular caught my eye.
Yes~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yes. 10characters
These show Dabuz just answering with one word answers.
From here he has given a few reads and is saying persistently that I can die. Has not shown much reasoning except that im not posting that often(herp a derp, im at work or school most of the time and can't post asa result)
Blecks d2 is a little odd to me, that and the hydra misreads are a turn off for me.
 

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RANMARU POST YOU ****IN INACTIVE TURD.

Jesus Christ I save him from a lynch and he doesn't even back me up. Come and back me up. Be my buddy.

Friends, forever.
 

Dabuz

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These show Dabuz just answering with one word answers.
From here he has given a few reads and is saying persistently that I can die. Has not shown much reasoning except that im not posting that often(herp a derp, im at work or school most of the time and can't post asa result)
.
Explain how that is scummy please.
 

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i'm getting hammered for saying something and not explaining it.
Why should you not be subject to the same concept?
 

ranmaru

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I'm backing you up swiss, don't worry. Ryu, try clairvoyance instead. Much better than clarity.

I got some reads and multi-quote stuff goin on. It will be posted soon.
 

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IkrRan2pro@LoL.

Cool, wanna see yo' stances. Make sure you cover Orbo/Dabuz well please - need a fresh insight on that. Who's your character again, that guy I figured? Agree with me on July town?

Hold my hand, feel the warmth.
 

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1. ~Bleck Mang~ (J/Gord Hydra) - Have you learnt to follow me blindly, or are you determined to try and become average?
2. dabuz - Who are you? Have we played before? Provide links to any previous DGames games.
3. July - You're easy to read. Forget what was said in the ranking thread. I'll have you pinned after a few posts. My question to you would be, how long til you have me pinned?
4. Rockin - Say something interesting. Poignant.
5. Bardull - I hear you're bad. Is this only as a certain alignment, or are merely incompetent?
6. Dark Horse -Is it of concern that you are transparent? If you had to vote either myself or Ryker now - why would it be Swiss?
7. Swiss - I understand you're the best player on DGames. Tell me, though, are you theatrical?
8. Orboknown - Ask me one question. Anything other than my role/alignment. My answer will be true and concise - question must be your next post.
9. Jdietz43 - You are who?
10. felipe_9595 - Do as I say.
11. Red Ryu - What is your game plan? Go in depth. Are you suspicious of NL (No Lynch)
12. No Lynch (Zen/Soup Hydra) - Speak.
13. Ryker - Shall we tell them? Admit or deny? I could out us now.
No, it isn't. It would be swiss because of his one gambit that got Ditz's lynched. That's it tho. I wouldn't prefer you or Ryker ToDay. Plus, you gave us one scum, so if you give us another I'd feel alot better about you.

regardless of how effective that may be

Do you realize what you're saying here? What would any of the first part matter if it was all effective?
Yeah I didn't like Orbo for saying this. He is trying to seem town by saying things town shouldn't do, but then does these things himself when out of a lead. Reflects as lazyness/scummyness.

bloody hell i hate having to catch up 15 effin pages.
had midterms to study for /**** access over the weekend so ill be caught up soon. skimmed up to this point, gonna get more thorough and answer stuff addressed at me/concerning things i should be concerned with.

lol@swiss rage.
if i seriously can't get anything going toDay, ill just follow swiss
/inb4hypocrite
Why do you only follow swiss, and not ryker/july?

Unvote

Dammit this is like the exact opposite of RR from Britches and Hose who made accusations and promised cases and never followed through on them. I'd also expect you to play it a little safer, maybe not jumping on the easiest wagon (JDeitz) but I don't see you pushing Swiss unless either you are town and genuinely think he's scum OR if you were his scum mate and he encouraged you to do so. I find the former more likely right now.

GORD

I know you've been on and there is still a question about JDeitz from my #565 I'd like you to address. I know you hate walls so I'll repost my comments/question here:

I like JDeitz #386:



The bluntness of that response 1) isn't something I would expect from noobscum, who I think would want to avoid confrontation and just appease whatever requests someone makes, and 2) that mindset, "I don't want to give too much information to someone I think is scum", seems like an inherently town mindset I think it would be hard for Jdeitz to fake.

Bleck Mang (aka Gord), you seem to still think Jdeitz is scum. Thoughts on his #386, and do you think that my interpretation of it (somewhere further up in this post) is inaccurate?

@Rockin: Kk, please keep us up to date if that read significantly changes one way or the other.
July, this is something I don't like. Coming from you, it's a null. You can't really look at someone's meta as being concrete. Instead, it'd mesh with their past meta's (or not) either to confuse you or just to mix it up.

Even so, this feels like backpeddaling. Instead of conceding that RR may have seemed townier to you, you instead say that you were wrong about his meta. You unvote people when you feel they have done things that you liked. But not here, this is different; it was convenient. Now you haven't really been accusing anyone else as hard. I KNOW you were at spring break, just like I was. I hope to see what direction you bring this time. You are null to me. (This is the only part of your play that I don't like, everything else seems fine, although Rr made a good point on you, read on to see what I mean)

Felipe: Waaaaaaaat i am not even pushing him. Where this assumptions come from. I am just following the wagon.
not liking this.
Orbo states here that he didn't like felipe for doing the same thing Orbo did himself (following). This could me he was trying, but is he? Still, my read hasn't changed. It's null scum, because of lazyiness/scumminess.


this is what i get for going on someone elses word.

i knew the doc he wanted but i was saying that there would be that reason for having the cop on himself.
I don't like him falling back on the Appeal to Authority. But, the plus is that scum got lynched so essentially giving Swiss a vote wasn't that bad.

Dabuz #757 I would like reasons for his reads on DH, Kuz, and RR if he hasn't provided them already. I do agree with him, however, that if JDeitz is playing the noob card, it'll be obvious after another Day or so, so I don't see why he is such a huge threat that he needs to be lynched right now when there is a lot of contrary evidence to the JDietz scum theory.

Swiss does start to provide reasoning in #780 for his push on JDietz, and while I understand not trusting "dumb and honest" play (Ran pulled that in his first newb too), I think that JDietz transcends that combination of safe, dumb, and honest which work together in newb scum. He played safe at first, but once he started playing honest I think a lot of that safety went out the window: I don't think that claiming he had a neighbor was safe, nor providing the name of his neighbor, and I find it a lot less likely it was feed to him, especially with how fast the game was going at that point, and much more likely it is honest and he really is town.

@JDeitz: Your vote is on Swiss correct? In your #813 you say you don't want to lynch Felipe, but you'd be willing to. Who all would you be willing to lynch toDay, and of those people which do you find truly suspicious? Would you lynch Rockin toDay if a wagon formed on him?

@Swiss' #847: Your points on his #247 ("He came off strong digging himself a big hole, then recently has done an ok job of coming back out of it a tad. I'm inclined to side with the people who actually know him to a certain extent though") and this part of his #367: "

Were the strongest part of your case to me, and I did have to go back and look at the context of those because you make some valid points. That doesn't invalidate the points made about why he looks like newb town though. However, why is it so imperative to you that JDeitz is lynch toDay over one of your other scum read? You seem extremely confident that you've nailed JDeitz as scum, do you really think he's that much of a threat that he is the only play possible toDay?

I'm not in favor of lynching you or JDietz toDay, I have a town read on you both. My only reason for considering either of your lynches right now is because I'm not sure you guys can co-exist for another Day phase if both of you make it through toDay -_-

@No Lynch's #848: That's a drastic change in opinion after saying something along the lines of being willing to die for JDeitz...how much were you influenced by Swiss's case, and what parts were convincing to you? (I realize only one head feels this way but I would like that head to answer this please)



When do you think this will be?

@Kuz: I feel like you are ignoring me ;-; Thoughts on Rockin?
Seems legit. She's defending Jdietz on points that I feel are legit as well. I myself thought Jdietz was pretty newbtown, so I wouldn't fault her on that. The only thing is that Jdietz was expecting her to change the direction of his wagon. I don't really see any scumminess because the Jdietz lynch made SOOOOO many connections it's stinky. Yet it's still worth noting. Here is the quote in response to him:

The issue right now is making sure this game doesn't end up getting stalemated by the issues over your slot, which has already started to happen toDay and is undoubtedly going to be an issue toMorrow with any lynch but yours. Your slot has become the center of attention for almost everyone and I've been in Swiss's position where you will not be satisfied until your main scum pick slips, and as much as I want an RR lynch, the chances we are STILL stalemated toMorrow is really high whether RR flips scum or town.

Clearly you shouldn't defer to my opinion, I have much different views on what connections and information we get from your lynch, especially because I think the connections to your slot are much more genuine and less convoluted than connections to RR.
Did I just.....agree with Felipe?

IGNORE ME ALL MY READS MUST BE WRONG.

July I will not back down from my Dietz lynch. I will make you choose betwen the two of us. I suggest you choose now and move on rather than have thins conctantly dragging town back to the same points and cases. We'll need new content toMorrow - but if Dietz is not lynched toDay I'll be left with no choice but to derail us until he is lynched.
I actually like this.

She is very quick to call the voteblock with town intent very quickly before.

She really is giving me a dishonest look at how she is looking into me others at this point.
Yeah I didn't like this either. She could have vb'd you and just come out with 'town intent' so you could be framed. She has forgotten to consider that a newb or someone that didn't know you might have done this.

Reads coming in next posssstt :bee:
 

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Orbo - nullscum. He's being quite lazy and following Swiss (only). It's slightly scummy, and it makes me wonder why he hasn't followed ryker/july. Does this imply scum connections? I don't think so.

Dabuz - me no likey. I saw some posts from him, but didn't really see anything. I need to re-read him.

Swiss - nulltown. Your case on Jdietz was SOOOO ****ing legit. But, your gambit on him was a bit desperate. I didn't like that. Rest of your play is fine to me d00d.

Ryker - I like him this game. It's possibly because he's letting Swiss take the lead this game.

Felipe - Town. He doesn't seem like newbscum... just he comes in and does something BAM doesn't give a ****... and doesn't really post much else. Also could be the Samus avatar.

Bleck Mang - Null. Hasn't really done much, and has been in the background for a bit. I feel they might have had tried this to garner reactions from others, but I don't really have any qualms with them.

July - Null. Has stated some things I didn't like, but this seems like disagreement/light connections so it doesn't bother me as much. Other wise I hope to see more content from her in the future. I put her as null town because I know she can do things if I just let her do her thing because I'd just home in on her for stupid things like in Harry Potter mafia.

Rockin - Town. I have been in a neighbor relationship and it SUCCCKED. I was town and this biatch had CONFIRMED ROLES. FUUUCK. She was scum. Anyways, I don't think he would be scum because his other nAYBEEE flipped scum. I don't remember what my neighbor flipped and sadly I don't know if the game is intact because MS died and has to recover with november stuff blah blah. Anyways, I wouldn't really target Rockin at all unless there was reason to believe so. Copping him in the future would also be a good idea methinks.
 

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Also, RR is town because his 'wannabe hero' thing makes sense with him being a PR. Plus being voteblocked.

Vote: Dabuz

I'll be back. Have to go out and turn in some papers before 5.

I'd rather lynch Dabuz then Orbo because he's playing safe and ****. I don't like it when people seem to be quite. Orbo is just vig/cop bait.
 

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Not hammered, Ryu duo accounted me.

Ran is scum, too scared to character claim after claiming VT. Lynch him, vig him, kill him.

Dabuz is an acceptable lynch.

Orbo town on Ran scum, Ryker town on Ran scum.
 

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Nope. I had to rush. What did you think of my content

:phone:
 

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Orbo - nullscum. He's being quite lazy and following Swiss (only). It's slightly scummy, and it makes me wonder why he hasn't followed ryker/july. Does this imply scum connections? I don't think so.
Swiss and ryker are pretty much consistently agreeing with each other and July has said she will follow swiss and ryker. following one seems to me like following all three
 

#HBC | Gorf

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Orbo - nullscum. He's being quite lazy and following Swiss (only). It's slightly scummy, and it makes me wonder why he hasn't followed ryker/july. Does this imply scum connections? I don't think so.

Dabuz - me no likey. I saw some posts from him, but didn't really see anything. I need to re-read him.

Swiss - nulltown. Your case on Jdietz was SOOOO ****ing legit. But, your gambit on him was a bit desperate. I didn't like that. Rest of your play is fine to me d00d.

Ryker - I like him this game. It's possibly because he's letting Swiss take the lead this game.

Felipe - Town. He doesn't seem like newbscum... just he comes in and does something BAM doesn't give a ****... and doesn't really post much else. Also could be the Samus avatar.

Bleck Mang - Null. Hasn't really done much, and has been in the background for a bit. I feel they might have had tried this to garner reactions from others, but I don't really have any qualms with them.

July - Null. Has stated some things I didn't like, but this seems like disagreement/light connections so it doesn't bother me as much. Other wise I hope to see more content from her in the future. I put her as null town because I know she can do things if I just let her do her thing because I'd just home in on her for stupid things like in Harry Potter mafia.

Rockin - Town. I have been in a neighbor relationship and it SUCCCKED. I was town and this biatch had CONFIRMED ROLES. FUUUCK. She was scum. Anyways, I don't think he would be scum because his other nAYBEEE flipped scum. I don't remember what my neighbor flipped and sadly I don't know if the game is intact because MS died and has to recover with november stuff blah blah. Anyways, I wouldn't really target Rockin at all unless there was reason to believe so. Copping him in the future would also be a good idea methinks.
What...? I see people throwing votes off of him/onto, like, Dabuz, WHAT IS THERE ABOUT ANYTHING IN THIS LIST THAT YOU CAN POSSIBLY LIKE? Nothing's really committal except for lol Rockin cuz he was neighbor and lol Felipe for essentially zero reason. Lynch. This. Mofo.

/haven't even read his big post or that much of things after this.

@July: You said you'd have a better feel for him after he started legit posting. Go for it. I want a solid read, and I wanna reason why.
 

#HBC | Ryker

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I figured that this was where you were going.

Unvote Vote Ran

I am extremely fine with either lynch. Ran's stance post was disgusting. I already hate Dabuz.
 

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These two were def what I was referring to... @Orbo gimme the why. Why put Dabuz at L-1. What about Ran makes you unvote. Gimme gimme.
The L1 was to put him to a claiming spot. A lot of people like his lynch, and it'll probs get to L1 sooner or later.

I never actually had to unvote.
I did like that one post of DH's i saw earlier but ran himself seems noncommittal right now.
 

#HBC | Gorf

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The L1 was to put him to a claiming spot. A lot of people like his lynch, and it'll probs get to L1 sooner or later.

I never actually had to unvote.
I did like that one post of DH's i saw earlier but ran himself seems noncommittal right now.
I'll take it.
 
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