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#HBC | Red Ryu

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One thing that sticks out to me is having both of me and Jay and as scum picks and not unvoting, your slot may have backed off when July voted but I really could have seen that as going for the inevitable lynch of Jay later.

That sticks out as scum intent to me from Dabuz.

Your slot on the other hand, has been very open to deaths of player slots, very quick to turn on my claim to show it as a Serial Killer, Quick to showcase Rockin for being a scum as a neighbor.

See, Felipe may have done two of those three, but it's Felipe and I can and know very well he can be dumb, really dumb.

For you, instead it's conscious and well calculated. These kinds of actions only serve to confuse town and cause more distrust among them.
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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Wtf. He claimed he shot Ryu, not vig. He could be JAOT amongst other roles. Testing compulsiveness when he hasnt claimed and you didnt even ask him to is wtf. Thats not a logical leap you can make. If he were indie, you could be setting him up for a free win. Also, if he were indie, why claim killing PR mid day 2? This is not conducive to a long life.

Even if he IS SK, predicting docs isnt exactly a challenge.

That whole post is riddled with terrible logic.

:phone:
Just gonna copy pasta this.
 

felipe_9595

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Sorry, but you only claimed Vig when i started to make pressure on you. Dropped it when you claimed combat medic.
 

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Gorf said:
Because. You're. Not. Even. Oriented. All you are is a puppet at this point. DO SOMETHING rather than just make blanket statements and be Swiss' double vote.
So wouldn't rereading and getting my own ideas in place be a good thing? Or are you afraid of me seeing something while im rereading?
 

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Felipe, all ryu said was he shot NL. His claim is combat medic, shot/doc a night. How does that constitute him changing his claim?
 

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Voting (6):
Ranmaru (3): Bleck Mang, Ryker, Red Ryu
Orboknown (1): dabuz
Red Ryu (1): felipe_9595
dabuz (1): Swiss

Not Voting (4):
July
Rockin
Ranmaru
Orboknown
 

#HBC | Gorf

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Orbo said:
So wouldn't rereading and getting my own ideas in place be a good thing? Or are you afraid of me seeing something while im rereading?
Wow. How asinine ARE you? How about you play this game, and share some of your gracious findings?

Ruy said:
One thing that sticks out to me is having both of me and Jay and as scum picks and not unvoting, your slot may have backed off when July voted but I really could have seen that as going for the inevitable lynch of Jay later.
If you're talking about when NL made that gambit lie detector thing, it was so I can get a read on Dabuz/Orbo/DH, and when the votes on you and Dietz tied up that when I had switched from you to Dietz. I was Dietz > you the entire time. I did what I did to try and gague reads, but July got you to L-2 and I backed out of the gambit.

Ruy said:
Your slot on the other hand, has been very open to deaths of player slots, very quick to turn on my claim to show it as a Serial Killer, Quick to showcase Rockin for being a scum as a neighbor.
First isn't scummy. Second I guess I can give you, but the reason I thought SK over a town killing slot was a.) because I did the same thing in Walgreens, and b.) because your play from before suggested scum over killing town, but I can dig doc + vig. Third was paranoia and WIFOMing myself, and when I gave myself time to think I backed off.
 

#HBC | Gorf

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Seriously Orbo I'm asking you to openly scumhunt. Do more than just... post. Look at what Ruy is doing. He has suspicion on people and is following up on that by getting his opinions out there and scumhunting. I want to know why you think Dabuz and I are scummy, from your words, from your reread. You've gauged my curiosity.
 

Rockin

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I remember you saying that the JDietz lynch would be good for information but I don't remember your stance, or if you had a stance, on RR. What do you think of RR and the possibility of JDietz/RR scum team?
My stance with Jdietz was that he seemed townie in a n00bish sense, but the noobishness in itself was rubbing me the wrong way.

I never had a stance on RR. I thought he was slightly townie, but nothing he said in D1 has really shown anything truly townie, so I was just going on blind faith with him. at the time, I thought a RR/Jdietz scum team seemed pretty unlikely. Still do. As for RR in general, judging from his claim, I'm willing to believe in him.



OK, on Dietz scum flip was gonna look at NL and Kuz, but then they both died.
Unsure why as they could have been used as lynch bait by scum on the Dietz flip with how much they defended Dietz.
Then RR claim.
OK with letting Ryu be for now.
Fine with taking out Dark Horse.
Wait, what was your reasons with Dark Horse, and do you have any other scum picks?

Actually, explain to me this. Why is watcher more probable than tracker?
why is this really important?

Vanilla Townie.

Still reading.
Err...kay? lol

So bad. Unless he comes back with some ****in random nameclaim he's town. The fact you and Dabuz didn't CC, plus any remaining anti-towns, with Ryker being a PR (100% sure on that), means 99% I was right, yet again.

So stop being bad.

Ran is almost certianly town, and has DH to thank for terrible play.
how is Ran almost certainly town? I don't even see it, like at all.
 

#HBC | Gorf

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Rockin would you like to take Ranmaru to L-2? I assume you have a scum read on em with that last statement, and he's yet to even say anything even though he's been in this game for (almost) 2 days.
 

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btw Rockin you should change that Sailor Uranus avatar sometime.

/out of game talk.
I knooooooooow but I can't find a suitable peach avatar or anything in general that is with my fancy.

For the moment though, I don't mind Sailor Uranus. She's a carpet muncher and I approve of that. :3

Rockin would you like to take Ranmaru to L-2? I assume you have a scum read on em with that last statement, and he's yet to even say anything even though he's been in this game for (almost) 2 days.
Nope, no scum read.

I'm just....dumbfound by what he did, that's all. lol

Dark Horse was nothing more to me then just 'dumb or scum' to me, despite how others saw hhim being more scummy. I was hoping Ran would make some better play, but so far he took a bad first step. >_> I hope to hear more from him soon.

my wanting of lynching Felipe has lessen slightly. He's...doing some sort of contributing, so I currently don't have any beef with him.
 

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I was watching Naruto. I'm on page 20, should be done by tonite. :3
 

July

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Sorry about not posting for a while, real life took over.

I understand the switch off of RR after his claim (obviously), I'd like to hear from Ran before the wagon moves on to Dabuz. I think that DH's slot could have just been plagued by terrible play, but I can read Ran pretty well and I'd like to hear from him and at least get scum reads from him before end of the Day.

I like Rockin's recent posts, he's someone I've had trouble reading this game but he's explaining reads which is a start.

I'd be fine with Dabuz or Orbo being the play for toDay, really I'm quite apathetic towards them and despite rereading both of them yesterDay, neither is leaving an impression on me, other than Orbo sheeping, which I find rather null.

Bleck Mang is still my scumread and the one that bothers me. ToDay the main thing that bothered me was the push on DH which just didn't strike me as genuine, which is the problem I've had with their play on and off since the beginning.

If anyone has any specific questions for me, ask. As of now, I plan on voting with Swiss and/or Ryker.
 

#HBC | Gorf

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July said:
Bleck Mang is still my scumread and the one that bothers me. ToDay the main thing that bothered me was the push on DH which just didn't strike me as genuine, which is the problem I've had with their play on and off since the beginning.
No, you don't believe my push on Dark Horse wasn't genuine. The only reason you think that is because you're still nuzzling that scum read you had on my slot from earlier on in the game, and now everything I do will come across as scummy. I've had one of those feels, where you think they're scummy, so EVERYTHING they do comes across as scummy. If you truly thought it wasn't genuine, you'd have pointed out specifically what you thought WASN'T genuine about it. And I'd freaking LOVE to hear what it was about Ran's claim that made it so obvious to get off of em.
 

July

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No, you don't believe my push on Dark Horse wasn't genuine. The only reason you think that is because you're still nuzzling that scum read you had on my slot from earlier on in the game, and now everything I do will come across as scummy. I've had one of those feels, where you think they're scummy, so EVERYTHING they do comes across as scummy. If you truly thought it wasn't genuine, you'd have pointed out specifically what you thought WASN'T genuine about it. And I'd freaking LOVE to hear what it was about Ran's claim that made it so obvious to get off of em.
That's quite true, and I've acknowledged that myself. You're that read that is going to bother me until you flip because I just can't shake that initial read I got from you that read as scummy and not genuine.

The underlined isn't exactly true, I find myself extremely apathetic right now, hence why I'm content to follow Swiss and Ryker's lead here which is undoubtedly more focused and committed than I can be right now.
 

#HBC | Gorf

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July said:
That's quite true, and I've acknowledged that myself. You're that read that is going to bother me until you flip because I just can't shake that initial read I got from you that read as scummy and not genuine.
Your initial read wasn't "scummy and not genuine". Your initial read was that Bleck Mang was acting exactly like how the Gorf half of Leopard Skin Taser was acting in [insert Gheb game here], really calm and passive. I mean if you won't be okay with the fact that I'm telling you (and that it should be obvious) that J was the early poster of us two, and that the only real early posting I did was when I was shizfaced, then there's nothing I can do about it. The only reason you found me to be scummy and not genuine after that was because you were too convinced that Bleck Mang acted like the Gorf half of LST, and whether or not Bleck Mang did, Gorf didn't.

July said:
The underlined isn't exactly true, I find myself extremely apathetic right now, hence why I'm content to follow Swiss and Ryker's lead here which is undoubtedly more focused and committed than I can be right now.
But it's kinda true. I doubt you can go back and solidly convince yourself that my Dark Horse case wasn't genuine. If anybody else conjured it you'd have given em town points, I can bet money on it.
 

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Your initial read wasn't "scummy and not genuine". Your initial read was that Bleck Mang was acting exactly like how the Gorf half of Leopard Skin Taser was acting in [insert Gheb game here], really calm and passive. I mean if you won't be okay with the fact that I'm telling you (and that it should be obvious) that J was the early poster of us two, and that the only real early posting I did was when I was shizfaced, then there's nothing I can do about it. The only reason you found me to be scummy and not genuine after that was because you were too convinced that Bleck Mang acted like the Gorf half of LST, and whether or not Bleck Mang did, Gorf didn't.

But it's kinda true. I doubt you can go back and solidly convince yourself that my Dark Horse case wasn't genuine. If anybody else conjured it you'd have given em town points, I can bet money on it.
I would never build a case on meta :-/ My #302 was where I first called you out for what I disliked in your play and involved NO mention of meta.

The meta I provided later was extra to help explain how exactly Bleck Mang's play felt off to me.

And, funnily enough:

Vote: Bleck Mang

I didn’t see anyone really question Bleck Mang or find them suspicious, but all game I’ve found them extremely passive and prone to advice dogging rather than actually giving their opinion on something. Of all the players on the DH wagon (Swiss, Ryker, Bleck Mang, and No Lynch), Bleck Mang provided the least reasoning, and their vote was quite casual and I haven’t found their attempts to apply pressure to DH to be genuine. Finally, there is the indecisiveness over Felipe, which bothers me less than their complacence with that indecisiveness; I want to see them question him, put pressure on him or something, but rather they threw out their opinion on him, weak as it was, and then didn’t really follow up on it. Furthermore, I don’t think many people have paid attention to Bleck and therefore the things I’ve pointed out have just slide under the radar while DH and Felipe took center stage.
I didn't like your pressure of DH back then either. But specifically here, I don't like that you quoted the same passage in your #1529 as you do in your #1766, except in your first post you never touched his points on Dietz, you only addressed the points to yourself, while it became part of case against him in your #1766. It seems disingenuous, like you were willing to ignore it yesterDay because it was working towards your goal but toDay when you need someone to push then that action is suddenly scummy; basically DH is scummy when it is convenient to you and that's when you push him, not at the time when he does the things you find scummy.
 

#HBC | Gorf

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DISINGENUOUS! THAT'S THE OPPOSITE OF GENUINE!

You don't understand how much it was gnawing at me that I couldn't find out what the word was.
 

#HBC | Gorf

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July said:
I didn't like your pressure of DH back then either. But specifically here, I don't like that you quoted the same passage in your #1529 as you do in your #1766, except in your first post you never touched his points on Dietz, you only addressed the points to yourself, while it became part of case against him in your #1766. It seems disingenuous, like you were willing to ignore it yesterDay because it was working towards your goal but toDay when you need someone to push then that action is suddenly scummy; basically DH is scummy when it is convenient to you and that's when you push him, not at the time when he does the things you find scummy.
July you're doing a lot of speculation and whatif's :ohwell:. It seems like you're saying that upon a reread of Dark Horse, I didn't find that quote in 1529 of his and realize I didn't like it in 1766. Fact of the matter is, it'd be inane to try and build suspicion on Dark Horse at that time, considering the fact that things were boiling down to Red Ruy or Dietz. Had he been posting through the Day, chances are he'd probz had done mad scummy shiz that I'd be able to analyze and determine whether I wanted him OR Dietz... But he fell off of the face of the Earth. And I've almost ALWAYS found Dark Horse scummy, all through yesterDay and coming into toDay.

And btw. What's YOUR read of Dark Horse/Ran? No cop out, I want a 1-10, 1 being superscum and 10 being obvtown. And then, I want you to pretend that the case I made on em toDay had the name Ryker or Swiss instead of Bleck Mang. What do you think of that case?
 

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July you're doing a lot of speculation and whatif's :ohwell:. It seems like you're saying that upon a reread of Dark Horse, I didn't find that quote in 1529 of his and realize I didn't like it in 1766. Fact of the matter is, it'd be inane to try and build suspicion on Dark Horse at that time, considering the fact that things were boiling down to Red Ruy or Dietz. Had he been posting through the Day, chances are he'd probz had done mad scummy shiz that I'd be able to analyze and determine whether I wanted him OR Dietz... But he fell off of the face of the Earth. And I've almost ALWAYS found Dark Horse scummy, all through yesterDay and coming into toDay.

And btw. What's YOUR read of Dark Horse/Ran? No cop out, I want a 1-10, 1 being superscum and 10 being obvtown. And then, I want you to pretend that the case I made on em toDay had the name Ryker or Swiss instead of Bleck Mang. What do you think of that case?
I'm not saying that you would try and build a case or arouse a wagon on DH right there, but you can still state suspicions or call out scummy behavior from others, especially people you state are scumreads. It is speculative, I'm not denying that the driving force behind my read on you is rooted in vibes and I just can't shake it, but it leaves me in a ****ty position to actually push you and well...just leaves me apathetic.

My read on DH/Ran is a 6. I actually liked his post on JDietz where he said his play had been declining, I found him scummy in the beginning and that was prolonged by his long absence but I think that his read on Dietz was legit in light of all that happened in between his town read on Dietz and him posting again. Hammer on Dietz brought him down near scummy again but I think that Ran's claim, and his willingness to claim so quickly, was a good sign. He's 6 because he's more town than scummy but Ran needs to catch up and provide real input, not only because DH's input was minimal but because I want a new perspective in here.
 

#HBC | Ryker

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Basically, I want Dabunz lynched and I'm not paying this game too much attention. Trying to level an EU LoL smurf.
 

#HBC | Gorf

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July said:
I'm not saying that you would try and build a case or arouse a wagon on DH right there, but you can still state suspicions or call out scummy behavior from others, especially people you state are scumreads. It is speculative, I'm not denying that the driving force behind my read on you is rooted in vibes and I just can't shake it, but it leaves me in a ****ty position to actually push you and well...just leaves me apathetic.
I guess my point is basically this. Yea, you've got a bad vibe from me, and it's more than likely a personal problem. But there's plenty you can do at this point to get concrete stances on certain people, and tbh you're one of the few smart people left in here, sans Swiss and Ryker who are both MIA. It'd be nice to get reads from ya and bounce em off of what I'm thinking, you feel me?


July said:
My read on DH/Ran is a 6. I actually liked his post on JDietz where he said his play had been declining, I found him scummy in the beginning and that was prolonged by his long absence but I think that his read on Dietz was legit in light of all that happened in between his town read on Dietz and him posting again. Hammer on Dietz brought him down near scummy again but I think that Ran's claim, and his willingness to claim so quickly, was a good sign. He's 6 because he's more town than scummy but Ran needs to catch up and provide real input, not only because DH's input was minimal but because I want a new perspective in here.
How do you feel about how long it's taking Ran to catch up? Do you seriously think it should take a matter of 3~4 days?
 

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Just a few quick notices from your mod.

I'm going to Olympic trials for swimming tomorrow (getting home on the 23rd), so I'll be V/LA while I'm down there as I'll only have a phone with 3g to post from.

Even though Kat's still reeeaally busy, between the two of us we should manage. But it'd be a good idea to send everything to both of us.

Just don't freak out if you don't get a vote count for a while. Pretend Overswarm is the mod :troll:

~~~

Swiss gets a prod.
 

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Page 30. : D I just have been a bit lazy. I have been watching Naruto but I'm done with the Orichimaru arc (where sasuke kills em)

I'll post tonite deff. I just had to drudge through the rest.
 

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Voting (6):
Ranmaru (2): Bleck Mang, Red Ryu
dabuz (2): Swiss, Ryker
Orboknown (1): dabuz
Red Ryu (1): felipe_9595


Not Voting (4):
July
Rockin
Ranmaru
Orboknown
 
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