AllyKnight
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You can grab him when he nados, it's hard as **** like almost impossible durng a match.
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Me too!It'd test, but I'm at work.
Naw shield drop is 7 frames and ddds up tilt is like 11 wouldnt work.thanks for the helpful info, K Prime!
If you had the full(?) 13 frame advantage, would Dedede be able to up-tilt him OoS?
Wow, Luigi being able to up-b the tornado would be radically matchup changing.So if Snake can grab, doesn't that mean that some other characters can usmash out of shield if they are frame perfect?
I looked around, and here are some potentially practical solutions OoS that come out in 8 frames or less-
Falco - Usmash (hitbox said to be out on frame 8)
Fox - Usmash (frame 8)
MK - Up B (invincible on frames 5-8, hit on 8), jump neutral air (in air on 5, nair out in 3, jump nair should hit on 7), jump uair (frame 6), usmash (frame 8)
Luigi - Usmash (frame 8), up B? (frame 6)
Olimar - Usmash (frame 8)
Mario - Up B (frame 3)
Sheik - Usmash (top hit at frame 4)
Zelda - Usmash (frame 6)
Pikachu - Jump nair, uair (air frame 5, aerials both on frame 3, out on frame 7 combined)
I'm sure a lot of characters can jump nair, but a lot of frame data threads don't have jump data. I'll try looking some more and updating this post.
Too bad his sweetspot is near his feet and won't connect unless MK was doing a grounded tornado. :\Wow, Luigi being able to up-b the tornado would be radically matchup changing.
Yes, but the range is very limited, and the fact that he slides so much makes it pretty impractical, and that's assuming that it will straight up beat the tornado in the first place. There's also the fact that it is very possible that a human will lose a few frames trying to press up and b at the same time.Wow, Luigi being able to up-b the tornado would be radically matchup changing.
If he's already tilting the stick up to make his shield less vulnerable to the tornado, human frame loss because of needing to push up shouldn't or wouldn't be an issue.Yes, but the range is very limited, and the fact that he slides so much makes it pretty impractical, and that's assuming that it will straight up beat the tornado in the first place. There's also the fact that it is very possible that a human will lose a few frames trying to press up and b at the same time.
...no.If he's already tilting the stick up to make his shield less vulnerable to the tornado, human frame loss because of needing to push up shouldn't or wouldn't be an issue.
It probably makes it even worse in that case, honestly.If he's already tilting the stick up to make his shield less vulnerable to the tornado, human frame loss because of needing to push up shouldn't or wouldn't be an issue.
you can cancel a jump with upB upsmash or an item throw....no.
Shields can be canceled by jumps, but not by up Bs.