Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[soap]

if u dont space luigi can still shieldgrab.

when u do space good alotta luigis i played just waveshield back in so just keep choppin away

 

[KirbyKaze]

What are some good strategies and things to look out for a Luigi that's kinda aggressive and likes to Nair, Fair and Smashes a lot? Edge guaarding is no problem but recovering is hard because he always walk off the ledge to Fair, which always hits.

Space your better, higher range, higher priority aerials. Notably Bair and Fair. Bair I think is better but that's just my opinion and I'm not sure if others agree with me. Throwing needles frequently or dropping through platforms with needles frequently is also rather effective, grounded needles when timed to hit him has he comes out of his waveshield bullshit is also very good.

Recover onto a platform if you can with your Up+B. If you're being hit through your Up+B you're doing it too late and not getting the invincibility. So do it earlier and less stupidly. Going for a platform avoids being Shoryukened at like 70 and dying from it, he's stuck doing a much more DIable Dair or Fair to knock you off.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Yeah, bair seems like it would be really safe. He can grab you after a fair? Seriously? He's not as slidey as I thought...

Dude, KirbyKaze, using bold to get around the censor? Very clever.

 

[Tero.]

Dude, KirbyKaze, using bold to get around the censor? Very clever.

****, thats awesome

Edit: lol didn't work

 

[DtJ Jungle]

no he changed teh color

 

[Teczer0]

Yeah, bair seems like it would be really safe. He can grab you after a fair? Seriously? He's not as slidey as I thought...

Dude, KirbyKaze, using bold to get around the censor? Very clever.

I think if the sheik mis-spaces the f-air and the Luigi shield DIs toward the sheik yea I believe he can grab you.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

woaaaahhhhh no way.

 

[LooksLikePit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QldKPfCNFa8

I'm the blue sheik at the end. somebody do their best to critique me lol...

 

[DtJ Jungle]

uhh give us a match not a montage please.

 

[LooksLikePit]

its all I have right now

 

[NeighborhoodP]

lmao sherigami

 

[soap]

Anybody Here ever try moonwalking wit sheik? its not that bad

 

[Teczer0]

I tried moonwalking with falcon......

And failed...

 

[soap]

if u cant do it decently with falcon u will have trouble going like anywhere with sheik

 

[Teczer0]

I can occasionally moonwalk good enough so I can moonwalk up-b cancel off an edge with link.

In other words, I can't moonwalk for my life.

I can however run off double poof =D..... or rather used to be able to do it.......

<----- needs more tech skill

 

[The Dragon]

yah i cant moonwalk perfectly either, i've tried it though and it does seem to work however i cant pull it off consistantly so i wont be using it

 

[KirbyKaze]

How does Teczero have no Tecskill.

U C WAT I DID THAR

 

[Tero.]

How does Teczero have no Tecskill.

U C WAT I DID THAR

lol x)

moonwalking is pointless anyway

kJaB: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmdDsfpJ9sE (Sheik at 1:29)

 

[DtJ Jungle]

moonwalk double poof? wtf

 

[~GregDang!~]

Alright, its been awhile since I've been here. I really hate Sheik dittos. What's the best way to get out of a tech chase?

 

[Tero.]

Alright, its been awhile since I've been here. I really hate Sheik dittos. What's the best way to get out of a tech chase?

Don't be predictable.

Edit:
Sorry, to really answer your question i should say "not being predictable"

There is no real answer. You can use buffered spot dodges or rolls, but sheik can just wait for your spotdodge and then grab. As i said it's always about predicting and stuff, that's why you should always mix up.

 

[I.B]

it depends on how well your opponent can tech chase. But common escapes would be tech in place to buffer roll, or tech anywhere and attempt to protect yourself with d-smash or something (which they can CC at lower percents but its still one of your safest moves). Just try experimenting with different things.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Just be random in techs in Sheik ditto. Sheik's tech roll is super amazing so abuse accordingly. On platforms it doesn't really matter if they're good at all they'll hit you and **** combo you.

If they're chain grabbing then either be better at getting grabs and doing chain grabs or go Fox.

 

[brickman]

chain grabs to down smashes and then tilt them to forward airs. that's all this match up is. boring.

 

[Teczer0]

Sheik dittos are lotsa fun

I played spawn in a bunch and do awesome stuff

CGing kinda makes it a bit more boring though

 

[NeighborhoodP]

Cging makes it fun as ****

 

[brickman]

Cging makes it fun as ****

no, it's like doing a math problem that you already know the answer to. Outcome is predictable and so are the steps.

Tilts are fun.

 

[NeighborhoodP]

how are the steps predictable? when everything revolves around the mindgame for a grab, the best approach wins. people who can't switch up approaches get butt ****ed.

 

[brickman]

how are the steps predictable? when everything revolves around the mindgame for a grab, the best approach wins. people who can't switch up approaches get butt ****ed.

I wont disagree with that in the least. In fact, I believe that the approach and the mindgames that happen between combos are the most important thing, feel free to disagree with me there, but once the grabs and combos begin, nothing changes. It's routine. Sure you can change up your DI, but too many people have too much experience, and know whats coming. Mind games between combos and hits can change, but the hits always end up the same. Predictable.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I find Sheik ditto with chain grab is mostly just needle camping for a needle --> grab setup or CCing mispaced stuff into grabs or just trying to do an aerial (Fair) and then baiting out a response (you've spaced so they can't punish).

But I don't do Sheik dittos with chain grab much so what do I know.

 

[Teczer0]

I find Sheik ditto with chain grab is mostly just needle camping for a needle --> grab setup or CCing mispaced stuff into grabs or just trying to do an aerial (Fair) and then baiting out a response (you've spaced so they can't punish).

But I don't do Sheik dittos with chain grab much so what do I know.

I think its the same in both cases.

Needle camping is a really good way to setup for grabs. Otherwise its mostly CCing for grabs.

In either case grabs leads to huge damage and grabs are basically the sheik ditto... lol

 

[NeighborhoodP]

i love it when sheiks try to needle camp me for a grab because i think it's really easy to get around

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Wait so... what is this Shield DI I keep hearing about?

 

[Teczer0]

Wait so... what is this Shield DI I keep hearing about?

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=5551134#post5551134

 

[soap]

i love it when sheiks try to needle camp me for a grab because i think it's really easy to get around

i dont even look for grabs in matches where i can chaingrab cuz it messes me up too bad.

i just grab when i get a grab haha

 

[NeighborhoodP]

yep soap, i realized that when i sheik dittoed aesis

you try so hard for that one grab because you know it's a stock if you play it right, but it messes you up

just stick to playing smart and the grabs will come

i think WAAAAY too many sheiks needle camp because, unless you're plank status, you're probably really bad at it and don't realize it until you play someone just as good or better. if you're on a platform, you have to land. if you have to land, i'll stay below you and **** your **** with a ftilt or utilt (or dash attack). if i keep it simple, you'll be the one to mess up first.

 

[soap]

thats why i cant play IC's there is too much pressure, thank god sheik has other moves

 

[Europhoria]

You should be looking for grabs in any match up at like... all times. >_> It's the key to doing well at this game

 

[soap]

You should be looking for grabs in any match up at like... all times. >_> It's the key to doing well at this game

i do look for grabs, i just dont try to be predictabe with it i.e. wait for sidesteps or whatever.

 

[Europhoria]

Standing and doing nothing/waiting is broken. Ask Cactuar