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Do you happen to have an SD card? Perhaps you can take a screenshot and then convert the file through a handy tool in order to upload your image.
My main point is that there may not be a big distinction between what's Zelda's abilities and what's Toon Zelda's abilities. They might just all be general Zelda abilities.
I'll have to dig up an SD card connector for my computer, but I do have a spare SD. I'll need to convert the files? How would I do so?
Well here's a video guide. The video also provides a download link to the tool that you need.
Pick up a trophy in slow motion, her arm does bend like in the Phantom picture, you just have to pause at the right moment.
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He missed the arm bend too, but here's Zelda making almost exactly the same pose, after releasing an assist trophy.
There would be a big distinction. Toon Zelda wouldn't be able to Fair, Dair, or Bair, because of her smaller legs. But by your logic, if there was a toon Zelda, again, she would receive the existing Zelda's specials FIRST. They wouldn't axe Zelda's down B in favor of a newcomer's new one if there was a clone.
No, I mean to say that no other character has an assist trophy pose illustrated on their character page designed to showcase the character that was just revealed. So I made the proclamation that the first to do so (Zelda) wouldn't have her using two separate assist trophy poses without show casing at least one attack as all of her other pictures were random poses. Dedede's pose isn't a pose, it is an attack; so that wasn't necessarily what I was getting at. Secondly, I wasn't asserting that some arbitrary rule exists, it was merely an assumption. I do not think it is likely, I never stated that it wasn't the case or that some rule existed.Do you mean to say that said character can't make the same animation or pose twice in their character page? In that case, Sakurai already did it with Dedede.![]()
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inb4 it doesn't count because it's zoomed.
Besides, it's not like there is some kind of rule that Sakurai must use different animations for said character in every pic or that he must make them perform a few attacks in their profiles. All he has to do is just show the characters off in a few in game screenshots and show how they have turned out. Wether they are fighting or doing other things. He can tell us more about them in the Daily screenshots and other updates like he has done many times before anyway, or he can just send in a number of screenshots to Nintendo for them to upload to their official Facebook page as he apparently did. :/
Also, there have been previous cases where Sakurai revealed a character but didn't show them perform any attacks during the Brawl dojo. Characters like these were Yoshi and Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon. We had to wait a bit before Sakurai showed a few pics of them performing any attacks and all. So it's not like revealing Zelda without having her attacking is something completely new or unheard of.
Not to mention it's not like there can only be one or two Zelda assist trophies anyway. Mario had quite a few in Brawl so it's not like it's something impossible for the Zelda franchise to gain a few more too in the new games.
Unless I misunderstood what you meant I guess... :/
The legs moves would need to be replaced, just like they was on toon link.
I understand your attempt at explaining your logic. But this doesn't pertain to what your getting at. Zelda's move set was decided before Wind or Spirit Tracks. She wouldn't be influenced by Characters that deviate from her orginial move set as a veteran.
You were still wrong though. You highly implied that the move itself was not shown off/revealed/anything for MONTHS after he was revealed. Wrong.
I understand the logic, but I don't really agree with. Toon Link could have plenty of moves specific to him: an Up-B involving the grappling hook, controlling Wind with the wind waker, gliding with the Deku Leaf, the skull hammer for a strong finisher, and this only with the Wind Waker items. We can add the bomb-chu from Phantom Hourglass (althought it's not specific to this game) or the gust jar from Minish Cap, for example.
) but it would be a major change to her gameplay. Can't say it can't happen just because it never happened before, but seeing how Toon Link didn't change despite being one of the most obvious clone, I don't really see why Zelda would get the favor. It's quite hard to change movesets drastically when people get used to them.This is quite wrong either, as Mario's moveset was decided way before Super Mario Sunshine. But again, it was not a big change, and he kept the Mario tornado as a down aerial. Zelda can't keep her transform as a down aerial
But she must keep her down B, as she is the only own able to transform without final smashes (Giga Bowser or even Samus), and there's no downside to this (Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard have a stamina system)You're somewhat missing my point. I don't think Toon Link should be a clone. Toon Link could be unique, but he's not. and It's pretty clear that Sakurai think Toon Link should be a clone (based on the fact that he's a Clone in both Brawl & Smash 4), which means he won't get big differences from Link. If Toon Link where to get Skull Hammer it would probably be because Link got his own hammer.
The reason he didn't get changed is because he supposed to be a clone.
Well alright then I guess. Still not sure if that really matters too much. Zelda might as well be the first who has performed this animation then.
Well then if Brawl somehow doesn't count than I guess we might as well consider this the first time Sakurai revealed a character like this. Unless you don't. But from the looks of things, it doesn't seem to be any form of attack in any of the images of Zelda's page at all. Especially if that "Phantom pose" really is just her summoning an assist trophy.
Eh it's not like we know what Sakurai's opinion is in regards to which characters and things can be assist trophies and which can't. If the Phantom is an assist trophy (Which seems to be the case) then there must be something in regards to the Phantoms that striked Sakurai's interests in which made him decide to have it as an assist trophy. Besides aren't the Phantoms essentially the Ultimate Chimera of the Zelda Franchise anyway? Perhaps he wanted an assist trophy that could perform a similar role to that. A patrolling knight that as soon as it comes in contact to a playable character (who is not the summoner) starts to attack quickly causing an immediate KO to said character. There may be something to it I suppose, but of course that's just speculation on my part. :/
Maybe it is. Maybe it's because he was a clone, and changing characters often have a negative feedback. I remembered people complaining about Falco's minor change with his down-B.
I never thought of that, and that's a great AT idea actually!
I'm not wrong. Mario is never a different of Mario. Zelda is always a different reincarnation, usually. Same for Link. His moveset has remained the same the original. Same for Zelda and that includes sheik.I understand the logic, but I don't really agree with. Toon Link could have plenty of moves specific to him: an Up-B involving the grappling hook, controlling Wind with the wind waker, gliding with the Deku Leaf, the skull hammer for a strong finisher, and this only with the Wind Waker items. We can add the bomb-chu from Phantom Hourglass (althought it's not specific to this game) or the gust jar from Minish Cap, for example.
Same can apply to Zelda. The adult Zelda can have OoT and TP abilities, while Toon Zelda can have Toon abilities, including the phantom (even thought there is not that much abilities, I agree. Zelda already have to borrow Link's spell from OoT, but it fits her well).
Now, the thing is. We stated that though the Smash Bros games, Mario, Pit & Bowser had moveset changes. But, for Mario, he retained his Mario tornado as a down aerial, Pit kept a reflector as his down B and got something new instead of a blend of his down-B and neutral aerial, and Bowser seems to be essentially visual changes, as he still have his B moves. I agree Zelda got her first playable appearance (not counting the CDI games
I know, the phantom would only change one move, but it become a whole different way of playing with the character. If you just summon it, the only help it can be is keeping people away and protecting Zelda. But it's clearly not an helpful thing when it comes to land a hit with Zelda's precise style. And if he keep people away, what to you do? Spam Din's fire? It can't really distract them either, as the target is still Zelda. And suppose you are trying to hit the opponent, but suddenly, the phantom comes and slash him and send him away. It would be just problematic. I just can't see how can be really helpfull.
If Zelda can switch to the phantom, it's not a great idea either. It would require a whole moveset, and how does Zelda work? Becomes an AI? And then, which level of difficulty? If Zelda dies, you are stuck with the phantom? There would have been more emphasis on this, so it can't be this solution, I think.
(everything I say above about the phantom is, obviously, a point of view, and some theories about how it could work).
It would be better if Toon Zelda have a moveset of her own, and switch to the Phantom (like Zelda/Sheik switch). We could have a new Zelda with new moves (because I think Zelda's moveset can't really change and become a quick but less powerful moveset), and have the phantom being a new heavy weight character.
Also, about Toon Zelda (and Tetra), there's the problem of the proportions. Tetra can't really work as a character as she doesn't have magic abilities, and can't use a dagger as Sakurai is against daggers. Toon Zelda, on the other hand, can use magic for extended range (like TP Zelda, actually). And phantom, obviously, do have some range.
I'm more toward conserving movesets. The only exception to me are Toon Link, as there were potential, and Ganondorf, because how the Great King of Evil can copy a futuristic pilot and bounty hunter?
This is quite wrong either, as Mario's moveset was decided way before Super Mario Sunshine. But again, it was not a big change, and he kept the Mario tornado as a down aerial. Zelda can't keep her transform as a down aerial
Yes, but as you said, Zelda's moveset was decided before Wind Waker and Spirit Tracks, wich is actually true. But let's not forget Link boomerang becamed the gale boomerang from TP, and Mario got his FLUDD, something that clearly didn't exist back in Melee and SSB64.
It's opposite hands, but I've been convinced since seen that picture she's transforming. There's another picture with her making that pose.
2 words... Visual update. The blue hue surrounding her plus the pose and sparkles should be a dead giveaway.
The lighting is clearly due to Megaman's stage.
