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Share your rosters for the next Smash game

Perkilator

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We all love o speculate on the next Smash game, so this thread is going to do exactly that; nothing too fancy, but you can speculate if you'd like on what characters are likely to appear. For me:
  1. Mario
  2. Luigi
  3. Peach
  4. Daisy
  5. Bowser
  6. Rosalina & Luma
  7. Bowser Jr.
  8. Donkey Kong
  9. Diddy Kong
  10. Wario
  11. Yoshi
  12. King K. Rool
  13. Link
  14. Zelda
  15. Ganondorf
  16. Samus
  17. Ridley
  18. Kirby
  19. King Dedede
  20. Meta Knight
  21. Fox
  22. Falco
  23. Pikachu
  24. Charizard
  25. Mewtwo
  26. Lucario
  27. Greninja
  28. Captain Falcon
  29. Ice Climbers
  30. Marth
  31. Ike
  32. Robin
  33. Mr. Game & Watch
  34. Pit
  35. Palutena
  36. Olimar
  37. Villager
  38. Mii Fighters
  39. Shulk
  40. Pyra / Mythra
  41. Inkling
  42. Sonic
  43. Bayonetta
  44. Joker
  45. Mega Man
  46. Ryu & Ken
  47. PAC-MAN
  48. Kazuya
  49. Cloud
  50. Banjo & Kazooie
  51. Terry
  52. Steve
  1. Dr. Mario
  2. Piranha Plant
  3. Sheik
  4. Young Link
  5. Toon Link
  6. Dark Samus
  7. Zero Suit Samus
  8. Wolf
  9. Jigglypuff
  10. Pichu
  11. The rest of Pokémon Trainer’s team
  12. Incineroar
  13. Ness
  14. Lucas
  15. Roy
  16. Chrom
  17. Lucina
  18. Corrin
  19. Byleth
  20. Dark Pit
  21. R.O.B.
  22. Isabelle
  23. Wii Fit Trainer
  24. Little Mac
  25. Duck Hunt
  26. Min Min
  27. Snake
  28. Simon
  29. Richter
  30. Sephiroth
  31. Hero
  32. Sora
  1. Toad
  2. Waluigi
  3. Geno
  4. Pauline
  5. Dixie Kong
  6. Any Zelda newcomer
  7. Raven Beak
  8. Sylux
  9. Bandana Waddle Dee
  10. Magolor
  11. Krystal
  12. The newest Pokémon
  13. Porky
  14. Black Shadow
  15. Lyn
  16. Alear
  17. Whatever FE character is currently relevant
  18. Any Kid Icarus newcomer
  19. Mona
  20. Ashley
  21. Any Pikmin newcomer
  22. Any Animal Crossing newcomer
  23. Noah & Mio
  24. Elma
  25. Any Splatoon newcomer
  26. A Nintendo newcomer from the Switch era
  27. A retro character
  28. A character who previously went unused in older Smash games
  29. Any 3rd party newcomer from an unrepresented universe
  30. Any Sonic newcomer
  31. Chun-Li
  32. Echo Fighters are still a thing, with new ones to boot
Now keep in mind, this isn't assuming all of these characters will make it into the base game, if at all. Some would realistically be DLC.
Veterans
  1. Mario
  2. Luigi
  3. Peach & Daisy
  4. Bowser
  5. Bowser Jr.
  6. Rosalina & Luma
  7. Wario
  8. Yoshi
  9. Donkey Kong
  10. Diddy Kong
  11. King K. Rool
  12. Link
  13. Zelda
  14. Sheik
  15. Ganondorf
  16. Samus & Dark Samus
  17. Ridley
  18. Kirby
  19. King Dedede
  20. Meta Knight
  21. Fox
  22. Falco
  23. Wolf
  24. Pikachu
  25. Jigglypuff
  26. Mewtwo
  27. Lucario
  28. Greninja
  29. Ness
  30. Lucas
  31. Captain Falcon
  32. Ice Climbers
  33. Marth
  34. Ike
  35. Robin
  36. Byleth
  37. Mr. Game & Watch
  38. Pit & Dark Pit
  39. Palutena
  40. Olimar
  41. R.O.B.
  42. Villager
  43. Shulk
  44. Pyra / Mythra
  45. Inkling
  46. Snake
  47. Sonic
  48. Mega Man
  49. Ryu & Ken
  50. PAC-MAN
  51. Cloud
  52. Banjo & Kazooie
Newcomers
  1. Toad
  2. Waluigi
  3. Pauline
  4. Dixie Kong
  5. Raven Beak
  6. Bandana Waddle Dee
  7. Magolor
  8. Black Shadow
  9. Alear
  10. Ashley
  11. Noah & Mio
  12. Ring Fit Trainee
  13. Dr. Eggman
  14. Chun-Li
  15. Crash Bandicoot
  16. Rayman
  17. 2B
 
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This would be my dream next smash

SSB Tag Team , -

each character slot can swap between 2 characters
except Shulk & Officer Howard


1 Mario , ( Luigi = alt ) & Yoshi
2 Donkey Kong , & , Diddy Kong
3 Link , & , Zelda
4 Samus , & , Sylux ?
5 Kirby , & , Magalor
6 Pikachu , & , Jigglypuff
7 Peach , & , Daisy
8 Bowser , & , Bowser Jr.
9 Ganondorf , & Toon Ganondorf
10 Mewtwo , & , Mega Lucario
11 Roy , & , Byleth
12 Pit , & , Viridi
13 Wario , & , Waluigi
14 King DeDeDe , & , Meta Knight
15 Greninja , & , Incineroar
16 Mii gunner , & Mii Brawler
17 Palutena , & , Pandora
18 Shulk
19 Inkling , & , Octoling
20 Ridley , & , Raven Beak
21 Pyra , & , Mythra
22 Noah , & , Mio
23 Alear , & , Yunaka
24 Officer Howard – Astral Chain
25 Master Chief , & , Arbiter
26 Ahri , & , Lux

Master Chief’s Final Smash = Incineration Cannon
Master Chief’s Horizontal Special = light armor shield
Master Chief‘s Neutral Special = Z-180 Scattershot
Master Chief’s up Special = grapple-shot

Arby’s side Special = Fuel Rod Gun
Arby‘s Neutral Special = needler
Arby’s up Special = antigravity boost


Ahri’s side Special = deception orb
Ahri‘s Neutral Special = charm
Ahri’s up Special = spirit rush

Lux’s up Special = Teleport
Lux‘s Neutral Special = Illumination
Lux’s side Special = Lucent Singularity

Fires an anomaly of twisted light to an area, which slows nearby enemies. Lux can detonate it to damage enemies in the area of effect.

27 Monkey D. Luffy & Boa Hancock

28 Boruto Uzumaki & ( Himiwara Uzumaki ? / Eida ? )

29 Yami Yugi ; = Dark Magician & Alexis Rhodes ; = Cyber Angel Izana

30 Goku , w/ ( Vegeta , as alt ) & Trunks ( Future )

31 MechiKabura & Syn Shenron

32 Hit , & , Belmod

33 Ichigo KuroSaki & Inoue Orihime

34 Ishida & Yoruichi Shihoin

35 Ulquiorra Cifer & Aizen
 
ssbashworld

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This could definitely go a few different ways. Know its not nessassarily direct competition but seeing Street Fighter & Mortal Kombat go with rosters just over 20 with longterm dlc support has me wonder if thats a new general direction we could see as well. Perhaps we could also see some sort of Kameo or expansion for assists too to help soften the blow of a much smaller roster.

Here what mine would look like as of right now.

Base Game
  1. :ultmario:
  2. :ultpeach:
  3. :ultlink:
  4. :ultzelda:
  5. :ultganondorf:
  6. :ultpikachu:
  7. Gardevoir
  8. Gholdengo
  9. :ultkirby:
  10. :ultmetaknight:
  11. :ultsamus: / :ultzss:

  13. :ultdk:
  14. :ultwario:
  15. :ultvillager:
  16. Nooklings
  17. :ultinkling:
  18. Alear
  19. Noah
  20. Rescue Corp Rookie
  21. Andy
  22. Takamaru
Year 1 Pass
  1. :ultfox:
  2. :ultsteve:
  3. :ultyoshi:
  4. Crash Bandicoot
Year 2 Pass
  1. :ultpit:
  2. :ultsonic:
  3. Urshifu
  4. Arle
Year 3 Pass
  1. Stoutheart Rex
  2. :ultkazuya:
  3. :ultdiddy: & Dixie
  4. Lloyd Irving
Year 4 Pass
  1. :ultluigi:
  2. :ultmegaman:
  3. Lyn
  4. Dante
Year 5 Pass
  1. Sylux
  2. 2B
  3. :ultfalcon:
  4. Warrior of Light (FF14)
Also at some point a special playable bosses mode would be added that makes the below playbable exclusively in this mode
  1. :ultbowser:
  2. Ganon
  3. :ultmewtwo:
  4. :ultkingdedede:
  5. :ultridley:
  6. :ultkrool:
  7. DJ Octavio
  8. Edelgard
  9. Z (Xenoblade)
  10. Ancient Sirehound (Pikmin 4 Spoiler)
 
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HyperSomari64

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nirvanafan said:
This could definitely go a few different ways. Know its not nessassarily direct competition but seeing Street Fighter & Mortal Kombat go with rosters just over 20 with longterm dlc support has me wonder if thats a new general direction we could see as well. Perhaps we could also see some sort of Kameo or expansion for assists too to help soften the blow of a much smaller roster.

Here what mine would look like as of right now.

Base Game
  1. :ultmario:
  2. :ultpeach:
  3. :ultlink:
  4. :ultzelda:
  5. :ultganondorf:
  6. :ultpikachu:
  7. Gardevoir
  8. Gholdengo
  9. :ultkirby:
  10. :ultmetaknight:
  11. :ultsamus: / :ultzss:

  13. :ultdk:
  14. :ultwario:
  15. :ultvillager:
  16. Nooklings
  17. :ultinkling:
  18. Alear
  19. Noah
  20. Rescue Corp Rookie
  21. Andy
  22. Takamaru
Year 1 Pass
  1. :ultfox:
  2. :ultsteve:
  3. :ultyoshi:
  4. Crash Bandicoot
Year 2 Pass
  1. :ultpit:
  2. :ultsonic:
  3. Urshifu
  4. Arle
Year 3 Pass
  1. Stoutheart Rex
  2. :ultkazuya:
  3. :ultdiddy: & Dixie
  4. Lloyd Irving
Year 4 Pass
  1. :ultluigi:
  2. :ultmegaman:
  3. Lyn
  4. Dante
Year 5 Pass
  1. Sylux
  2. 2B
  3. :ultfalcon:
  4. Warrior of Light (FF14)
Also at some point a special playable bosses mode would be added that makes the below playbable exclusively in this mode
  1. :ultbowser:
  2. Ganon
  3. :ultmewtwo:
  4. :ultkingdedede:
  5. :ultridley:
  6. :ultkrool:
  7. DJ Octavio
  8. Edelgard
  9. Z (Xenoblade)
  10. Ancient Sirehound (Pikmin 4 Spoiler)
Click to expand...
If there was a Year 6, it would have a Konami thematic?
 
ssbashworld

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HyperSomari64 said:
If there was a Year 6, it would have a Konami thematic?
Click to expand...
Hadnt really thought at all about who would be next honestly, Certainly possible, can picture Alucard getting a chance. Not sure on the other fighter though, could stick with Snake or maybe try a fighter from Bomberman, Contra, Silent Hill or Suikoden.
 
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Okay, I'm going to take another crack at a roster (Italics bold denotes newcomers)
Mario​
Luigi​
Peach (ε: Daisy)​
Bowser​
Rosalina & Luma​
Yoshi​
Wario​
Waluigi​
Toad​
Donkey Kong​
Diddy Kong (ε: Dixie Kong)​
King K. Rool​
Link​
Zelda​
Ganondorf​
Rauru​
Samus (ε: Dark Samus)​
Ridley​
Raven Beak​
Kirby​
King Dedede​
Meta Knight​
Bandana Waddle Dee​
Magolor​
Fox​
Falco​
Pikachu​
Charizard​
Mewtwo​
Lucario​
Greninja​
Incineroar​
New Pokémon​
Ness​
Captain Falcon​
Ice Climbers​
Marth (ε: Lucina)​
Ike​
Robin​
Byleth​
New FE​
Mr. Game & Watch​
Pit (ε: Dark Pit)​
Palutena​
Olimar​
Oatchi​
R.O.B.​
Villager​
Isabelle​
K.K. Slider​
Shulk​
Pyra & Mythra​
Rex​
Noah & Mio​
Duck Hunt​
Inkling​
Octoling​
Min Min (ε: Ninjara)​
Ring Fit Trainee​
Mii Fighters​
Sonic​
Dr. Eggman​
Mega Man​
Ryu (ε: Ken)​
Chun-Li​
PAC-MAN​
Cloud​
Sephiroth​
Hero​
2B​
Bayonetta​
Simon (ε: Richter)​
Banjo & Kazooie​
Terry​
Steve​
Sora​
Power Pro-Kun​
Zagreus​
Rayman​
Jonesy​
 
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If the next Smash won’t be another “Everyone is Here”, then this would be my take - 62 character roster:

  1. Mario
  2. Luigi
  3. Peach
  4. Daisy
  5. Yoshi
  6. Wario
  7. Bowser
  8. Bowser Jr.
  9. Donkey Kong
  10. Diddy Kong
  11. Link
  12. Zelda
  13. Ganondorf
  14. Samus
  15. Ridley
  16. Kirby
  17. Meta Knight
  18. King Dedede
  19. Fox
  20. Pikachu
  21. Charizard
  22. Mewtwo
  23. Captain Falcon
  24. Marth
  25. Pit
  26. Olimar
  27. Isabelle
  28. Inkling
  29. Sonic
  30. Pac-Man
  31. Kazuya
  32. Mega Man
  33. Ryu
  34. Ken
  35. Cloud
  36. Sephiorth
  37. Simon
  38. Banjo & Kazooie
  39. Steve
  40. Terry
  41. Mii

  1. Captain Toad
  2. Waluigi
  3. Dixie Kong
  4. Waddle Dee
  5. Eevee
  6. New Pokémon
  7. New Fire Emblem
  8. Tom Nook
  9. New Xenoblade (if not, Noah)
  10. Octoling
  11. Spring Man
  12. Takamaru
  13. New Nintendo IP
  14. Dr. Eggman
  15. Arle
  16. Monster Hunter
  17. Crono
  18. Bomberman
  19. Crash
  20. Rayman
  21. Shovel Knight
 
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Assuming that the base roster next game is between base For and Ultimate’s rosters, I’ll make two rosters between 55 and 65 before echoes, where the latter has more choices for what I want in the game.

Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Waluigi, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Yoshi, Wario, Ashley
Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, Toon Link, Samus, Ridley, Marth, Ike, Robin, Pit
Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer, Lucario, Greninja, Tinkaton, Jigglypuff, Kirby, Meta Knight, King Dedede, Bandana Waddle Dee
Villager, Isabelle, Tom Nook, Inkling, Off the Hook, Shulk, Aegis, Fox, Falco, Captain Falcon
Ness, Olimar, Oatchi, Ring Fit Trainee, Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, Isaac, Sonic, Knuckles the Echidna, Bayonetta, Mega Man, Ryu,
Pac-Man, Lloyd Irving, Mii Fighter
Echoes: Daisy, Dark Samus, Dark Pit, Lucina, Octoling, Ken
Note: Tinkaton is just a placeholder character.
Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Waluigi, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Yoshi, Wario, Ashley, Mr. Game & Watch
Link, Zelda, Sheik, Ganondorf, Toon Link, Samus, Zero Suit Samus, Ridley, Marth, Ike, Robin
Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer, Lucario, Greninja, Tinkaton, Jigglypuff, Kirby, Meta Knight, King Dedede, Bandana Waddle Dee, Ness
Villager, Isabelle, Tom Nook, Inkling, DJ Octavio, Shulk, Aegis, Fox, Falco, Captain Falcon, Pit
Olimar, Ring Fit Trainee, Ice Climbers, Isaac, Sonic, Amy, Bayonetta, Mega Man, Ryu, Cloud, Tidus
Pac-Man, Sora, Rayman, Sans, Mii Fighter
Echoes: Daisy, Dark Samus, Dark Pit, Lucina, Octoling, Ken
I just added six characters that I either like playing as or would like to see added.
 
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Gonna do my own two rosters as well--a 56-man roster catering to the general public. Echo Fighters will be grouped alongside their parent fighters.
Mario​
Luigi​
Peach
(ε. Daisy)​
Bowser​
Bowser Jr.​
Rosalina & Luma​
Pauline​
Wario​
Waluigi​
Yoshi​
Donkey Kong​
Diddy Kong
(ε. Dixie Kong)​
King K. Rool​
Link​
Zelda​
Ganondorf​
Samus​
Ridley​
Kirby​
King Dedede​
Meta Knight​
Bandana Waddle Dee​
Fox​
Falco​
Pikachu​
Charizard​
Jigglypuff​
Mewtwo​
Lucario​
Greninja​
Meowscarada
(placeholder)​
Ness​
Captain Falcon​
Ice Climbers​
Marth
(ε. Lucina)​
Ike​
Mr. Game & Watch​
Pit
(ε. Dark Pit)​
Palutena​
Olimar​
R.O.B.​
Villager​
Shulk​
Pyra / Mythra​
Inkling​
Octoling​
Ring Fit Trainee​
Mii Fighters​
Sonic​
Mega Man​
Ryu
(ε. Ken)​
PAC-MAN​
Cloud​
Bayonetta​
Banjo & Kazooie​
Sora​
 
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I guess I’ll bump this thread and make a roster similar to what Delzethin did during last fall. More specifically, I’ll allow myself 43 veterans and 11 newcomers. Echoes and last minute clone scenarios are not accounted for in this roster.

Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Waluigi, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Wario, Ashley
Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, Samus, Ridley, Pit, Marth, Ike, Captain Falcon, Isaac
Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer, Lucario, Tinkaton, Kirby, Meta Knight, King Dedede, Bandana Waddle Dee, Fox, Ness
Villager, Isabelle, Tom Nook, Inkling, Off the Hook, Olimar, Oatchi, Shulk, Aegis, Ring Fit Trainee, Captain Falcon
Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, Excitebike Rider, Sonic, Mega Man, Ryu, Pac-Man, Lloyd Irving, Mii Fighters
Reasons
Because I wanted to give other veteran franchises a chance, I reduced Mario and sister series veterans to the bare essentials. In terms of newcomers, Waluigi is here for popularity, and Ashley is somewhat popular and from a recurring series.
For Legend of Zelda, there’s no newcomer that really grabs my attention as someone to necessarily add unfortunately.
Animal Crossing is popular, and Tom Nook is prominent, and he gets bonus points for being a funny meme.
I think DJ Octavio or a Pop Idol Duo would work better as a unique fighter than Octoling.
Bandana Waddle Dee is a large request, so that’s why he’s here.
Pokemon is a complicated one, but Pikachu, Charizard, and Lucario seem to at least be the highest priority, and I‘d rather maintain Pokemon Trainer before resorting to solo Charizard. In Jigglypuff’s case, I actually think it’d still sneak by, but his roster ignored clones and last minute addition. Tinkaton is a placeholder.
For Fire Emblem, I went with the two most recurring ones in SSB, but Robin and Byleth are also worthy additions. I left out a newcomer because it’s been awhile since Engage came out.
Noah/Mio feel like their time would be passed.
Ice Climbers and Isaac are cases of favoritism, but I think I can justify them as the former brings a distinct playstyle, and the latter is requested.
Excitebike Rider is the best thing I can come up with at the moment for a surprise fighter.
Rayman has received non-playable content since For, and the Sans Mii outfit are popular.
If we do count last minute content, I’ll assume that any returning parent fighter gets their echo (i.e. Daisy, Dark Samus, Dark Pit, Lucina, and Ken), and I could see at least one of Jigglypuff, Falco, or Toon Link squeak by.
If there was DLC, I’ll provide 13 fighters: a veteran as a bonus fighter, two veterans per pass, and four newcomers per pass.
For fun, I decided to also make a 40 (technically 44) fighter starting roster.
Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Waluigi, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Wario
Link, Zelda, Samus, Pit, Marth, Ike, Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer, Tinkaton
Kirby, Meta Knight, King Dedede, Fox, Villager, Isabelle, Tom Nook, Inkling, DJ Octavio
Olimar, Shulk, Ring Fit Trainee, Captain Falcon, Ice Climbers, Sonic, Mega Man
Ryu, Pac-Man, Steve, Sans, Rayman, Mii Fighters

Here’s my roster if I adding characters based on personal preference
Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Waluigi, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Wario, Ashley
Link, Sheik, Zelda, Ganondorf, Samus, Ridley, Pit, Marth, Ike, Robin
Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer, Lucario, Tinkaton, Kirby, Meta Knight, King Dedede, Bandana Waddle Dee, Fox, Ness
Villager, Isabelle, Tom Nook, Inkling, DJ Octavio, Olimar, Shulk, Ring Fit Trainee, Captain Falcon, Ice Climbers
Excitebike Rider, Isaac, Sonic, Amy Rose, Mega Man, Pac-Man, Cloud, Tidus, Sora, Mii Fighters
We’ll assume echoes and last minute semi-clones are similar barring Ken.
Starting Roster:
Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Waluigi, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Wario
Link, Sheik, Zelda, Samus, Pit, Ike, Robin, Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer, Tikaton
Kirby, Meta Knight, King Dedede, Fox, Villager, Isabelle, Tom Nook, Inkling, DJ Octavio
Olimar, Shulk, Ring Fit Trainee, Ness, Ice Climbers, Sonic, Amy Rose, Mega Man
Pac-Man, Cloud, Tidus, Sora, Mii Fighters
 
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Well, here’s an updated version of my previous roster.
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And an updated starting selection.
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  • 83 - Paper Mario
  • 84 - Impa
  • 85 - Ring Fit Trainee
  • 86 - Noah
  • 57ε - Alvis
  • 80ε - Pneuma
  • 87 - Isaac
  • 64ε - Octoling
  • 88 - DJ Octavio
  • 89 - Chun-Li
  • 90 - Dr. Eggman
  • 91 - Meowscarada
  • 92 - Bandana Dee
  • 02ε - Funky Kong
  • 93 - Tom Nook
  • 94 - Alear
  • 95 - Rayman
  • 96 - Waluigi
 
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Another attempt at a slightly smaller roster, consisting of:
  • 68 characters (70 if you split Aegis in three)
    • 53/54 veterans
      • 3 of which are echoes
    • 15/16 newcomers
      • 2/3 of which are echoes
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( SSB Rumble ) ; tagline = Everyone can play.

Mini Games = attracting casuals , overwhelmed by regular game-play
1 = ( Obstacle & Maze races ) , 2 = Volleyball , 3 = Mini-Golf

New Mode = Tag Team , = can swap between 2 characters during game-play

Ultra Special meter = charges via ; dealing ( damage & knock-back )

The Special moves gets the utility fixed as follows ;

Side special ; useful in all 3 ( advantage , neutral , & , disadvantage )
Neutral = ( advantage + neutral ) & , Down = used in advantage only

Numbers = character slots

1 , 2 , 3 = Mario , ( Luigi = echo ) , Peach , ( Daisy = echo ) , & , Yoshi
4 , 5 , & , 6 = Donkey Kong , & , Diddy Kong , & , King K Rool
7 , 8 , 9 , & , 10 = Link , & , Zelda , & , Impa , & , Ganondorf
11 , & , 12 = Samus , ( Dark Samus = echo ) , & , Ridley
13 , & , 14 = Kirby , & King DeDeDe
15 , 16 , & , 17 = Pikachu , Gholdengo , & , Iron Valiant
18 = Pokemon Trainer : Chesnaught , Quaquaval , Incineroar
19 , & , 20 = Pit , ( Dark Pit = echo ) , & , Palutena
21 = Mii Brawler , & , Mii Gunner , & , Mii Sword Mage
22 = Duck Hunt
23 = Isabelle , ( Animal Crossing )
24 , 25 , 26 = ( Pyra + Mythra ) , & , Noah + ( Mio = echo ) & Shulk
27 = Inkling , & , ( Octoling = Echo ) Splatoon
28 = ( Monolith Soft ) rep , via new franchise , codename : Legacy
29 = Officer Howard – Astral Chain
31 = Alear
32 = Tabuu

----------------------------Base 3rd party

33 = Sonic
34 = Pac-Man
35 = Kazuya
36 = Monster Hunter , via , Capcom ; MHST2 , design
37 = Giovanna – Guilty Gear Strive - Arcsystem works
38 = Resna ( Ryza & Marie = Alts ) = Atelier , via , Koei Tecmo
39 = Crash Bandicoot
40 = Vault Boy

------------------------------DLC

41 = Geno
42 = Wesker , Albert – Resident Evil , via , Capcom
43 = New ( Tales Of ) rep from New ( Tales of ) Game , via , Bandai Namco
44 , & , 45 = ( Ahri & Lux ) - League of Legends , via Riot Games
46 = Borderlands rep
47 = XenoBlade 4 rep
48 = Soul Calibur Rep ; NOT Nightmare
49 , & , 50 = Master Chief & Arbiter ( Halo )
 
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:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultbowserjr::ultrosalina::ultdaisy::ultdoc: :ultyoshi::ultwario:+ Toad + Geno + Waluigi
Yoshi and Wario here for convenience and no newcomers on their part, can't justify them
Note: wanted to cut Dr.Mario, but couldn't as am keeping similar characters on the roster.

:ultdk::ultdiddy::ultkrool: + Dixie Kong + Cranky Kong + Funky Kong (Echo, but a very unique one)

:ultlink::ultzelda::ultganondorf::ulttoonlink: + Impa + Ganon
Ganondorf and Zelda both getting reworked to fit their roles in TotK for Ganondorf, and Zelda a mix of TotK and Echoes of Wisdom. Link is slightly reworked too.

:ultpikachu::ultcharizard::ultmewtwo::ultjigglypuff::ultlucario::ultgreninja::ultincineroar: + Garchomp
I'd love to include Pichu but I cannot am afraid

:ultkirby::ultmetaknight::ultkingdedede: + Bandana Dee + Galactia Knight (Echo / clone but slower and a longer weapon)

:ultmarth::ultlucina::ultike::ultroy::ultchrom::ultrobin::ultbyleth: + Alear (and Sigurd most prominently) + Lyn
Note: Lucina and Chrom return with a new moveset that's still based on Marth sort of, but are now Echoes of each other

:ultsamus::ultzss::ultdarksamus::ultridley: + either Raven Beak or Sylux. Dark Samus is now a semi clone.

:ultfox::ultfalco::ultwolf: + Slippy Toad (Falco Echo / Isabelle type clone, but a weird one, joke character)

:ultshulk::ultpyra::ultmythra: + Noah + Mio as Echo of Noah

:ultness::ultlucas: and I'd really like to include a newcomer but I can't justify it.

:ultvillager::ultisabelle: + Tom Nook, I guess (huge series, deserves a newcomer)

:ultinkling: + Octoling , who's not a Echo but definitely not unique either

:ultpit::ultdarkpit::ultpalutena:

Standalone series:
:ultlittlemac::ultgnw::ultolimar::ultduckhunt::ultfalcon::ultrob::ultminmin (guess an Olimar Echo of choice is in order here too, Alph and others come to mind) + Takamaru + Isaac (Felix and Matthew as Echo) + Ring Fit Trainer

3rd party terain

:ultsonic: + Knuckles + Tails or Eggman

:ultcloud::ultsephiroth::ulthero:

:ultkazuya: + Heiachi as clone without the devil gimmick stuff

:ultbayonetta:

:ultpacman::ultmegaman:

:ultbanjokazooie:

:ultsnake::ultsimon::ultrichter: + Alucard + Big Boss or any other Snake Echo

:ult_terry:

:ultryu::ultken: + Chun Lee + Akuma as a sort of clone of Ryu
 
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After some deliberation and tweaking, here’s a modified version.
* denotes an echo fighter.
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Newcomers:
  • 83. Paper Mario
  • 84. Impa
  • 85. Ring Fit Trainee
  • 86. Noah
  • 57e. Alvis
  • 87. Isaac
  • 64e. Octoling
  • 88. DJ Octavio
  • 89. Chun-Li
  • 40e. Explorer
  • 90. Shadow
  • 91. Meowscarada
  • 92. Bandana Dee
  • 02e. Funky Kong
  • 93. Tom Nook
  • 94. Alear
  • 95. Rayman
  • 96. Waluigi
DLC:
  • 97. Shy Guy (early purchase bonus)
  • 61. Cloud
More to be decided later.
BattlefieldSmall BattlefieldBig BattlefieldFinal DestinationMushroom Kingdom (64)Bowser’s CastleWaluigi PinballFlower KingdomBattle Stage[Unknown 3D Mario Stage]
Super Mario Maker 3The Last ResortYoshi’s Island (Melee)Crafted WorldCaresaway IslandJungle Japes (Melee)Frozen DK JunglePirate Ship (Brawl)Skyloft (Wii U)Great Plateau Tower (Ultimate)
Great Sky Island[Echoes of Wisdom Stage]Frigate Orpheon (Brawl)E.M.M.I. BaseFountain of Dreams (Melee)Halberd (Brawl)Forgotten LandCorneriaSpear Pillar (Brawl)Kalos League (Wii U)
Galar StadiumArea ZeroCastle Siege (Brawl)Arena Ferox (3DS)Garreg Mach Monastery
(Ultimate)		SomnielGarden or Hope (Wii U)Sun Speckled TerraceSmashvilleNew Horizons
[Unannounced Animal Crossing Stage]Gaur Plain (Wii U)Cloud Sea of Alrest (Ultimate)OriginMoray Towers (Ultimate)Scorch GorgeSide OrderSpring Stadium (Ultimate)Dragaux StadiumOnett (Melee)
Mute City 99Flat Zone 3Skyworld (Brawl)Boxing Ring (Wii U)Venus LighthouseFinal RushStarfall IslandsBuccaneer BeachMishima Dojo (Ultimate)Wily Castle (Wii U)
Metro City DowntownBattle HarbourKing of Fighters Stadium (Ultimate)Fairy Glade
 
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I decided to make another attempt where I have the roster at nearly Brawl’s size and one at Ultimate’s size. Also, I’ll include 11 DLC fighters, which will be four veterans and seven newcomers

:ultmario::ultluigi::ultbowser::ultpeach:(:ultdaisy:):ultyoshi::ultwario:(Waluigi):ultdk::ultfalcon:
:ultlink::ultzelda::ultganondorf::ultsamus:(:ultdarksamus:):ultpit:(:ultdarkpit:):ultmarth:(:ultlucina:):ultike::ultshulk:(Ring Fit Trainee)
:ultpikachu::ultpokemontrainer:(Tikaton):ultkirby:(Bandana Waddle Dee) :ultinkling:(Octoling)(DJ Octavio) :ultfox::ultness:
:ultvillager::ultisabelle:(Tom Nook):ultolimar::ultpacman::ultsonic:(Shadow)(Rayman)(Lloyd Irving):ultmiifighters:
DLC: :ultmegaman:(Sans)(“Alear”):ultkingdedede:(Dante)(Tails):ultryu:(Chun-Li)(“Noah”):ultdiddy:(Chosen Undead)​
Reasons
To make this harder on me, I decided to limit myself to 32 veterans.
From the 64 veterans, the only cut is Jigglypuff, which isn’t that unexpected given the developer’s attachment to the original 8, Luigi’s prominence in gaming, Mother’s ample amount of content in Ultimate, and Captain Falcon’s status as the SSB darling.
From supplemental characters, there’s not much to explain with Bowser, Peach, Ganondorf, and Zelda. I think Pokemon Trainer is worth having given what they represent in addition to their gameplay.
The other Nintendo franchises are pretty much the remaining relevant franchises plus Pit. I wanted to add a second Fire Emblem fighter, and Ike is both popular and a long staying SSB veteran.
Every Nintendo newcomer is really some mixture of popularity, legacy, and/or relevancy. Tinkaton is a placeholder.
I mostly picked Rayman and Lloyd for their non-playable presence in the series so far.
I still think echoes will happen, and I just gave veterans their returning echo plus two highly speculated fighters.
The DLC is not that interesting, but it helps build up on some missing prominent veterans, but the third parties may help add more interest.
:ultmario::ultluigi::ultbowser::ultpeach:(:ultdaisy:):ultyoshi::ultdk::ultfalcon:(Isaac)
:ultlink::ultsheik::ultzelda::ultsamus:(:ultdarksamus:):ultpit:(:ultdarkpit:):ultike::ultrobin::ultshulk:(Ring Fit Trainee)
:ultpikachu::ultjigglypuff::ultpokemontrainer:(Tikaton):ultkirby:(Bandana Waddle Dee) :ultinkling:(Octoling)(DJ Octavio) :ultfox::ultness:
:ultvillager::ultisabelle:(Tom Nook):ulticeclimbers::ultsonic:(Shadow)(Amy Rose)(Tidus):ultsora::ultmiifighters:
DLC: :ultcloud:(Sans)(Lyn):ultpacman:(Dante)(”Noah”):ultpalutena:(Lloyd Irving):ultmythra:(Arle)(Jill Valentine)​
:ultmario::ultluigi::ultbowser::ultpeach:(:ultdaisy:):ultyoshi::ultwario:(Ashley)(Waluigi):ultdk::ultdiddy::ultkrool::ultgnw:
:ultlink::ultzelda::ultsheik::ultganondorf::ulttoonlink:(Sidon):ultsamus:(:ultdarksamus:):ultzss::ultridley::ultpit:(:ultdarkpit:):ultpalutena::ultlittlemac:
:ultpikachu::ultjigglypuff::ultmewtwo::ultpokemontrainer::ultlucario:(Tikaton):ultkirby::ultmetaknight::ultkingdedede:(Bandana Waddle Dee):ultfox::ultfalco:
:ultmarth:(:ultlucina:):ultike::ultrobin:(Lyn):ultshulk::ultmythra::ultfalcon::ultness::ulticeclimbers:(Isaac)(Ring Fit Trainee)(Excitebike Rider)
:ultvillager::ultisabelle:(Tom Nook):ultinkling:(Octoling)(DJ Octavio):ultolimar:(Oatchi):ultpacman::ultryu:(:ultken:):ultmegaman::ultsonic:(Shadow)
(Rayman)(Lloyd Irving):ultbayonetta::ultsteve::ultmiifighters:
DLC: :ultbyleth:(Tails):ultcloud::ultsephiroth:(Dante)(Sans)(“Noah”):ultsora:(Chosen Undead)(Chun-Li)(Doom Slayer)​
Ultimate had 69 fighters pre-echoes, and I’ll give myself 12-14 non-echo newcomers.
There are some notable holes from my Brawl sized roster in terms of veterans, so I filled them out here.
Given the magnitude of the this roster, I feel comfortable saying that Jigglypuff, Falco, and Toon Link would make the cut, even if it’s last minute.
I want Ice Climbers here, but I think their gimmick still justifies their inclusion.
Mewtwo, Little Mac, and King K. Rool are popular in the SSB community.
More third party veterans could probably fit here, but I just went with 6 for base game. Bayonetta is a character that helps brisge Nintendo and Sega’s relationship, and Steve is a character that the developers cared a lot about.
Zero Suit Samus and Palutena seem important in the context of SSB.
I wanted one more Fire Emblem fighter, and I mostly went with Robin for his moveset.
Sheik could probably be excluded, but she has been here since Melee, and I like her moveset.
Wario Ware had multiple games, and Ashley is popular.
Isaac is here because I want him, but he does have requests on his side.
Sidon is a relevant side character from the newer Legend of Zelda games.
Because Engage was is probably less relevant for the development process, I’ll have Lyn for her popularity.
Excitebike Rider is just the surprise fighter.
Pikmin 4 is relevant, and Nintendo seems to value Pikmin, so I have Oatchi here.
For DLC veterans, I went with Byleth as he was my next choice for a Nintendo veteran, the Final Fantasy duo, and Sora.
I assume that there will be a promotional fighter.
I mostly went with popular characters and a couple side characters.
If this was biased, Amy Rose, Cloud, Sora, and Tidus would be base game. Rayman, Lloyd, Bayonetta, and Steve would be DLC, and I’d exclude Tails and Chosen Undead.
 
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I said smaller roster before but I couldn't do it, so newish roster based on current ideas.

:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultbowserjr::ultrosalina::ultyoshi::ultwario::ultdk::ultdiddy::ultkrool:
:ultlink::ultzelda::ultganondorf::ulttoonlink::ultpikachu::ultcharizard::ultmewtwo::ultjigglypuff::ultlucario::ultgreninja::ultincineroar:
:ultness::ultfalcon::ultkirby::ultmetaknight::ultkingdedede::ultsamus::ultzss::ultridley::ultshulk::ultmythra::ultpyra:
:ultmarth::ultlucina::ultchrom::ultike::ultbylethf::ultrobin::ultroy::ultrob::ultpit::ultpalutena::ultlittlemac:
:ultgnw::ultolimar::ultfox::ultwolf::ultduckhunt::ultvillager::ultisabelle:

Echoes:
:ultdaisy::ultlucas::ultlarry::ultalph::ultdarkpit::ultdarksamus::ultfalco:

Lemmy is placeholder for Koopalings as separate characters. This gives Jr. color options. And they can have slight stat differences now.

Lucas and Ness their movesets are fused. Picture Lucas's U and D Smash, Yo Yo with Ness used as their tilts, and no Rope Snake. PK Flash is now PSI Rockin / PSI Love, but basically is a big huge blast like PK Flash anyway , but more functional like PK Freeze as quick edgeguard you name it. Best of both worlds type of attack that's new.

Falco is more a tradional clone like in Melee, he was most popular as one anyway. Blasters are unique of course and so is his height and jumps and speed as different as before like in Melee. He does this to "outshine" Fox. The Falco Shine kick is now an imput for Down B on both characters.

Dark Samus has more unique moves but still mostly clonish, but more Melee clone like Falco

Third party:
:ultsonic::ultmegaman::ultpacman::ultbayonetta::ulthero::ultryu::ultken::ultbanjokazooie::ultcloud::ultsephiroth:

Newcomers:
Impa
Dixie Kong
Funky Kong
Isaac
Bandana Dee
Takamaru
Octoling / token Splatoon character that's popular
New Pokemon
Noah and Mio
Either Waluigi or Toad
Geno
Knuckles
Rayman

DLC:
Monster Hunter
Amaterasu
Chun Li
Scorpion
Lyn or Alear
Garchomp
Paper Mario
Raven Beak / Sylux

Noteworthy is that Lucina and Chrom share the same moveset now. Still a sort of Marth-like character but with way more unique animations. Chrom's secondary weapon with spears is referenced and bows for Lucina.

Byleth uses magic, brawling and mostly the Sword of the Creator, and Ike uses the axe Urvan for certain moves as F Smash and Down Smash, maybe all Smash attacks with certain different inputs I dunno. Switch up with Ragnell for more speed and Urvan for more power by inputs or something. Like hold the attack button for slower and more powerful Urvan axe attacks and normal inputs for Ragnell which is speedier. This keeps Ike a tank, and hard hitter, but a more functional and optional one.
 
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My Personal hope is we keep a little Link Arround! Even if its just a ported over toon Link with a simple cel shaded model!
Really theres no Reason why that shouldnt be possible the ammount of work a recyled Toon Link takes is basically nothing! Heck If they wanna be really lazy just use Links model from Windwaker Hd In the next smash and keep every animation the same! I get it normally characters need better Models but toon links entire gimmick is being cartoony so why not just give him a simple model if his ultime one isnt up too snuff anymore!

The only Reason People want him Gone is too arbitrarly say theres one Less Character!

Sure would i adore an update YES do we need one No as long as he sticks around we dont need more!
 
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Oracle Link said:
My Personal hope is we keep a little Link Arround! Even if its just a ported over toon Link with a simple cel shaded model!
Really theres no Reason why that shouldnt be possible the ammount of work a recyled Toon Link takes is basically nothing! Heck If they wanna be really lazy just use Links model from Windwaker Hd In the next smash and keep every animation the same! I get it normally characters need better Models but toon links entire gimmick is being cartoony so why not just give him a simple model if his ultime one isnt up too snuff anymore!

The only Reason People want him Gone is too arbitrarly say theres one Less Character!

Sure would i adore an update YES do we need one No as long as he sticks around we dont need more!
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I believe the reason why we have one was a relic of Ocarina of Time, which was the hot Zelda game at the time of Melee's release and it features the player switching between playing as a child and an adult to progress through the game, so Sakurai felt that to properly represent the game he needed to have both an adult Link and a child Link on the roster to represent both sides of the game, plus Young Link was an easy clone to create. Despite Twilight Princess (which Sakurai decided to base Zelda's representation on for Brawl) not featuring a playable child Link at all Sakurai decided to keep the concept around by implementing the Link from The Wind Waker (dubbed as Toon Link in Brawl) as a fighter. Notably this design was used in almost every Zelda game released between Melee and Brawl with the sole exception of Twilight Princess, and it even persisted after Brawl's release with Spirit Tracks. So, mostly as a relic of this old design philosophy based on an almost 30 year old game I'm expecting them to keep a child Link around.
 
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RileyXY1 said:
I believe the reason why we have one was a relic of Ocarina of Time, which was the hot Zelda game at the time of Melee's release and it features the player switching between playing as a child and an adult to progress through the game, so Sakurai felt that to properly represent the game he needed to have both an adult Link and a child Link on the roster to represent both sides of the game, plus Young Link was an easy clone to create. Despite Twilight Princess (which Sakurai decided to base Zelda's representation on for Brawl) not featuring a playable child Link at all Sakurai decided to keep the concept around by implementing the Link from The Wind Waker (dubbed as Toon Link in Brawl) as a fighter. Notably this design was used in almost every Zelda game released between Melee and Brawl with the sole exception of Twilight Princess, and it even persisted after Brawl's release with Spirit Tracks. So, mostly as a relic of this old design philosophy based on an almost 30 year old game I'm expecting them to keep a child Link around.
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Honestly i do hope we get a new Child Link 3d Game! Maybe an openworld sequel to WW/ PH or the oracles?
 
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