Hadokeyblade
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You get a random spirit when you boot the game up for the first time, like a starter Pokemon
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Make him playable in the full game and yeah it would help but otherwise that was just a one time thing.Hmm master hand has a spirit and is playable in wol before you take on both bosses
What do you guys think? Dose this help?
Like in the Boss modes of Hyrule Warriors. That would actually be really cool to have special events where you have to play as the different bosses.Make him playable in the full game and yeah it would help but otherwise that was just a one time thing.
I would actually like having Master hand playable as a character you can only play as in certain modes, it would be pretty sweet, he was kinda fun to play as in world of light.
I wish we could be certain about that. But alas.....Spirits don’t deconfirm
Well, it depends on whether or not more fighter passes or miscellaneous DLC gets approved. Though chances might increase if WF gets to put out a new Switch-bound Shantae entry by then.Guys, I haven't kept up with this board in a long time (since long before Ultimate leaked online), so give it to me straight. What do we really think Shantae's chances are now on getting in as DLC? Personally, I feel like it is this game or never...
Yeah, the thing to be really concerned about is ATs anyway. Shovel Knight was born too early, but he'll get his chance another time.I wish we could be certain about that. But alas.....
That said, at worst it would only be for Season 1 anyway.
That would also explain the various weird character absences, the Ice Climbers not having any artwork whatsoever despite their origin game coming in a box and how ROB somehow ended up with real-life photographs for his non-fighter spirits.I don't think spirits are deconfirmation. According to a recent article, spirits were decided on by a separate team. Sakurai didn't decide them. This also means that Sakurai didn't have plans of including Shantae as a spirit...but for her to be included, you have to have the rights to her.
So, again, Sakurai didn't plan to include her as a spirit, but he had the rights to her anyway.
She isn't an assist trophy, so I wonder why Sakurai has the rights to her
That’s why I’m betting on more dlc if that happensI wish we could be certain about that. But alas.....
That said, at worst it would only be for Season 1 anyway.
Because she's a spirit. Also, you'd do well to remember that Sakurai isn't all on his own. The Smash team as a whole has the rights to her and mass of other spirits showing up.So, again, Sakurai didn't plan to include her as a spirit, but he had the rights to her anyway.
She isn't an assist trophy, so I wonder why Sakurai has the rights to her
Or it's the other way around simply and the spirits team based their chocies around the DLC, especially if it was already decided by Nintendo and then subsequently selected by Sakurai out of whatever collection of fighters they proposed to him.And if spirits deconfirm, Sakurai would have to base the DLC off of what the separate team chose.
That makes more sense, then the team decided which spirits to include and included the remaining requested characters to prevent more hateful comments sent their way.Because she's a spirit. Also, you'd do well to remember that Sakurai isn't all on his own. The Smash team as a whole has the rights to her and mass of other spirits showing up.
Or it's the other way around simply and the spirits team baed their chocies around the DLC, especially if it was already decided by Nintendo and then subsequently selected by Sakurai out of whatever collection of fighters they proposed to him.
PP is a bonus, and it could have simply been the choice of the team who decided the spirits.Guys. Piranha plant doesn't have a spirit.
If that is the case, then it wouldn't make sense that there are playable characters with spirits. For instance, there is a spirit called Pit (Classic). Despite the label, this is the same character as the playable Pit we have. There was an update that added a Pikachu (Let's Go) spirit, but again, same character as the playable Pikachu we have.Because she's a spirit. Also, you'd do well to remember that Sakurai isn't all on his own. The Smash team as a whole has the rights to her and mass of other spirits showing up.
Or it's the other way around simply and the spirits team baed their chocies around the DLC, especially if it was already decided by Nintendo and then subsequently selected by Sakurai out of whatever collection of fighters they proposed to him.
The thing that stands out is the lack of a Pirhana Plant spirit. Other spirits that tend to be arts of fighters are either alt looks, older looks, or looks with a variation in the looks and/or titles. Fighter ones resemble their current looks, or at least their looks in Smash more so. And any non-fighter ones have disclaimers that separate them.That makes more sense, then the team decided which spirits to include and included the remaining requested characters to prevent more hateful comments sent their way.
Be that as it may, Spirits are treated quite a bit differently in some capacities as well so it's not completely one-to-one, especially regarding Season 1 DLC.Remember that spirits are a replacement of trophies, and Mewtwo and Lucas were trophies in Smash 4 before they were DLC.
Or if there's nothing to hint at in the first place. :UAnd as of now, you can't label the Shantae spirit anything different than "Shantae" without hinting at something
No....that's not the same pikachu. Come on now. That's a stretch at best.a Pikachu (Let's Go) spirit, but again, same character as the playable Pikachu we have.
You've got to notice the trend though. Those kinds of spirits like Pit (classic), Young Samus, Kaptain K. Rool. They all are variations that aren't fighter spirits. Thinking about it, why would the spirits go out of their way to point out such if they didn't matter?For instance, there is a spirit called Pit (Classic). Despite the label, this is the same character as the playable Pit we have.
Oh? If we're going by spirits, Adeleine is still in the running.So really, this also means that the chances of Kirby characters haven't gotten any higher or lower.
Yes, but the spirits themselves were picked by the separate team. Then again, who knows? They're probably deliberately planning something, seeing as there's the curious inclusion of a 64 song. Regardless of anything, spirits-wise they certainly have modern/non-Sakurai Kirby works in the mind.Man, I gotta say, it really is amazing. Before August 8th, this year in 2018, this thread had only 18 pages. Amazing what wonders the hope boost after that direct must've done.
Oh? If we're going by spirits, Adeleine is still in the running.
Eh, I wouldn't call her that, especially with the love and spotlight she's been getting lately.But why would they go for literally who as a new Kirby rep?
And like I said earlier, this could be their response to whatever orders Nintendo on high gave.Yes, but the spirits themselves were picked by the separate team.
Indeed. Consider this: It's suspicious that PP's spirit is missing, just as it's suspicious that out of all the Kirby characters despite getting a resurgence, Adeliene is suspiciously missing, despite FAR MORE obscure characters getting in as spirits.Then again, who knows? They're probably deliberately planning something, seeing as there's the curious inclusion of a 64 song.
Even more, every single paint-related character that isn't Elline isn't around. Even Paint Roller, a Sakurai original (patent pending).Eh, I wouldn't call her that, especially with the love and spotlight she's been getting lately.
And like I said earlier, this could be their response to whatever orders Nintendo on high gave.
Indeed. Consider this: It's suspicious that PP's spirit is missing, just as it's suspicious that out of all the Kirby characters despite getting a resurgence, Adeliene is suspiciously missing, despite FAR MORE obscure characters getting in as spirits.
The Pikachu spirit is the same character as the Pikachu we have in the game. Different label does not equal different character.The thing that stands out is the lack of a Pirhana Plant spirit. Other spirits that tend to be arts of fighters are either alt looks, older looks, or looks with a variation in the looks and/or titles. Fighter ones resemble their current looks, or at least their looks in Smash more so. And any non-fighter ones have disclaimers that separate them.
Be that as it may, Spirits are treated quite a bit differently in some capacities as well so it's not completely one-to-one, especially regarding Season 1 DLC.
Or if there's nothing to hint at in the first place. :U
No....that's not the same pikachu. Come on now. That's a stretch at best.
You've got to notice the trend though. Those kinds of spirits like Pit (classic), Young Samus, Kaptain K. Rool. They all are variations that aren't fighter spirits. Thinking about it, why would the spirits go out of their way to point out such if they didn't matter?
Furthermore, there's Ridley's case. Meta Ridley, one of his alts has a flipping fighter spirit. But Omega Ridley doesn't. He just has an equippable spirit. Which is in line with say, PP who's final smash,Petey Pirhana does have a spirit ala Giga Bowser.
You do know there are multiple Pikachus right? What on earth gives you the idea that they're the same character when all other evidence points to the contrary?The Pikachu spirit is the same character as the Pikachu we have in the game.
And I never stated they were different characters. I stated that they have different titles as they're addressed. Now, show me an equippable spirit that's exactly the same name as a fighter, as well the looks, and then you've got a case to make.The Pit spirit and playable Pit are the same character. Again, different label does not equal different character.
Because the spirits team felt quirky like that? Look, outside of potentially avoiding Season 1 DLC fighters, I don't think the spirits team really had a straight directive other than just getting whatever spirits they could in there. The spirit battles themselves reference them in fights, so it could be they're just paying homages to the history.If they are replacements of characters, why make the spirits like the Pit spirit to begin with?
Debatable. There were far less trophies than there are spirits. And even then the circumstances regarding DLC back then, don't match the circumstances of now. And unlike spirits, trophies weren't touted as some way to enjoy characters otherwise not playable in Smash.It doesn't matter if spirits are treated differently than trophies. At the end of the day, they are replacements of trophies, and there we playable characters as DLC who were trophies before they were playable
Yeah I believe that Spirits do not deconfirmed characters. At least when it comes to DLC.The Pikachu spirit is the same character as the Pikachu we have in the game. Different label does not equal different character.
The Pit spirit and playable Pit are the same character. Again, different label does not equal different character.
If they are replacements of characters, why make the spirits like the Pit spirit to begin with?
It doesn't matter if spirits are treated differently than trophies. At the end of the day, they are replacements of trophies, and there we playable characters as DLC who were trophies before they were playable
Yes, you never said they were different characters, but having a different label doesn't matter when being equipped to a character. As long as they are the same character, then that is an example of a confirmed character as a spirit.You do know there are multiple Pikachus right? What on earth gives you the idea that they're the same character when all other evidence points to the contrary?
And I never stated they were different characters. I stated that they have different titles as they're addressed. Now, show me an equippable spirit that's exactly the same name as a fighter, as well the looks, and then you've got a case to make.
Because the spirits team felt quirky like that? Look, outside of potentially avoiding Season 1 DLC fighters, I don't think the spirits team really had a straight directive other than just getting whatever spirits they could in there. The spirit battles themselves reference them in fights, so it could be they're just paying homages to the history.
Debatable. There were far less trophies than there are spirits. And even then the circumstances regarding DLC back then, don't match the circumstances of now. And unlike spirits, trophies weren't touted as some way to enjoy characters otherwise not playable in Smash.
Considering how Nintendo never said that with trophies while they did with spirits, the lack of evidence for that ideal speaks volumes.You could argue that trophies were created for the reason you stated that spirits were.
Not when you don't have a spirit that negates the pattern. Again, show a Pirahna Plant spirit, or a non-fighter spirit that looks the same and doesn't even a disambiguation title attached and the Spirits theory would have been dead by now.As long as they are the same character, then that is an example of a confirmed character as a spirit.
For the trophies, that's why I said after, "it's hard to say."Considering how Nintendo never said that with trophies while they did with spirits, the lack of evidence for that ideal speaks volumes.
Not when you don't have a spirit that negates the pattern. Again, show a Pirahna Plant spirit, or a non-fighter spirit that looks the same and doesn't even a disambiguation title attached and the Spirits theory would have been dead by now.
Why would they all of a sudden decide not to though?I will remind everyone that PP is a bonus and it could have just been the spirit team who decided not to make him a spirit.
Honestly speaking, that doesn't make a lick of sense since trophies aren't really considered "playable" in any sense, and they didn't function in any way, expect as a collectable incentive.For the trophies, that's why I said after, "it's hard to say."
Again, that's why I said "but it's hard to say." However, try to arguy that they function differently, but spirits are a replacement of trophies.Why would they all of a sudden decide not to though?
Honestly speaking, that doesn't make a lick of sense since trophies aren't really considered "playable" in any sense, and they didn't function in any way, expect as a collectable incentive.
The only characters we know were seriously planned early were the ones in the base roster, they're likely the only ones the spirits team had to keep in mind when deciding on spirits. Piranha Plant had to have been planned pretty early too in order to have a gameplay demonstration prior to release, regardless of whether or not he was intended to be a base character.Just had a thought... Does anyone know how long it would take to create a build of a character? Shantae was shown off on 11/1/18 in a direct. If Nintendo decided after that point that they wanted her it would've been odd to remove her sticker after being prominently displayed. They didn't have game play or even a character model (like Mewtwo) of Joker which makes me feel that the decision for DLC was decided not too far before the release. Enough time to animate that sequence, but not enough for an in-game model.
this isn't for or against her getting in. It's just a thought that someone can expand on or shut down.
That is one way to look at it. But still, the fact that we have a consistent case so far when it comes to DLC characters is what's keeping the spirits theory in the ring.Basically, having spirits from that franchise would likely have people finding Joker or any other protagonist more likely instead of the other way around.
Not necessarily. We do know that DLC characters were in the works as early as 2015-2016, and were in the negotiations alongside the actual game.The only characters we know were seriously planned early were the ones in the base roster, they're likely the only ones the spirits team had to keep in mind when deciding on spirits.
Meh. We technically got a SMT spirit already anyway. No harm done there.I said this before about Joker, but if it wasn't known he was coming as a fighter, there'd be very little reason to include any spirit from Persona. The series has very little tying it to Nintendo and their inclusion would raise more than a few eyebrows. Basically, having spirits from that franchise would likely have people finding Joker or any other protagonist more likely instead of the other way around.