Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[~The Koopa King~]

let's all hope shantae wins the race for DLC

 

[Mrs.Milky]

More Samus/shantae fan art :D

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[Deleted member]

I figured out something

If we stoped supporting shantae then she wouldn’t be in the next game because there won’t be any demand to put her in like when people didn’t support custom robo and golden sun because there wasn’t enough demand back then and they weren’t in smash4 anymore (except for those 2 gs songs) it can also help the fact why is commandervideo completely missing from ultimate entirely.

Let’s not let the shantae for smash fire die out

Keep on supporting!!!

#shantaeforsmashdlc

 

[TJKBird]

Regarding the whole Spirit debacle the question is if Sakurai had any intention of making Shantae a fighter would he have included a Spirit of her in the base game? Or for that matter any spirit that one thinks could still be a fighter. That is the question you have to answer to determine if Spirit's do or do not confirm fighters.

 

[Captain Hazama]

Regarding the whole Spirit debacle the question is if Sakurai had any intention of making Shantae a fighter would he have included a Spirit of her in the base game? Or for that matter any spirit that one thinks could still be a fighter. That is the question you have to answer to determine if Spirit's do or do not confirm fighters.

If that was the case, then Nintendo shot themselves in the foot.

Yes there is still other series not represented yet, but the theory of Spirits are deconfirmed hasn't been proven as of right now. We can still hope and support a character for a possible chance of appearing as a playable character for Smash. Till Sakurai comes out and says "Spirits won't be playable", then I'll respect it as truth.

 

[meleebrawler]

Regarding the whole Spirit debacle the question is if Sakurai had any intention of making Shantae a fighter would he have included a Spirit of her in the base game? Or for that matter any spirit that one thinks could still be a fighter. That is the question you have to answer to determine if Spirit's do or do not confirm fighters.

The only thing having a spirit without a fighter definitively says is that the character was not planned to be in the base roster. Piranha Plant is in a weird spot where we're not entirely sure if it was really planned to be in base or not, but either way was planned early enough that they likely didn't feel the need to include a spirit of it early.

As for third party spirits, you don't get those kinds of things without a fighter attached unless your franchise/company is strongly associated with and/or has a really good relationship with Nintendo. Imagine if we had Persona 5 spirits in the base game before we knew Joker was coming. It would be incredibly odd, because his game, let alone the series as a whole has barely touched Nintendo platforms.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Regarding the whole Spirit debacle the question is if Sakurai had any intention of making Shantae a fighter would he have included a Spirit of her in the base game? Or for that matter any spirit that one thinks could still be a fighter. That is the question you have to answer to determine if Spirit's do or do not confirm fighters.

You see this makes sense.

Spirits are supposed to be a consolation prize, the dev team saying "You aren't getting the character you wanted but you can pretend they are in the game by letting this sticker posses your character." Considering the two DLC fighters are characters without spirits it stands to reason that the rest of the dlc are characters without spirits in the base game.

Tin foil hat time: we are never gonna get confirmation on whether or not spirits deconfirm until after the DLC launches, that way they can keep people invested in the hype train they built and sell more of the pass bundle.

 

[meleebrawler]

You see this makes sense.

Spirits are supposed to be a consolation prize, the dev team saying "You aren't getting the character you wanted but you can pretend they are in the game by letting this sticker posses your character." Considering the two DLC fighters are characters without spirits it stands to reason that the rest of the dlc are characters without spirits in the base game.

Tin foil hat time: we are never gonna get confirmation on whether or not spirits deconfirm until after the DLC launches, that way they can keep people invested in the hype train they built and sell more of the pass bundle.

Were the Mewtwo and Lucas trophies in Smash 4 supposed to be "consolation prizes" too?

Also, how does not knowing what's in the pass make people more likely to buy? If anything I hear way more people say that makes them less likely to buy the whole thing. Sakurai pretty much said that option is only for those who like Smash a lot and/or don't really care what's actually in the pass, since they'll play them or want a complete roster regardless. Anyone holding out for a specific character will most likely just do so until they can get that character individually, then get the others later if they feel like it.

What you're suggesting only makes sense if buying the character packs individually was not an option.

 

[Shinuto]

Regarding the whole Spirit debacle the question is if Sakurai had any intention of making Shantae a fighter would he have included a Spirit of her in the base game? Or for that matter any spirit that one thinks could still be a fighter. That is the question you have to answer to determine if Spirit's do or do not confirm fighters.

thats assumig the dlc was in the works/being talked about during production of the game.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Reminder that Sakurai had a separate team do research and stuff for Spirits.

Also that Pit (Original) is a Spirit that can be equipped (and is canonically the same character as modern Pit).

 

[Biometal]

So, possibly redundant question:
Is there any record of Sakurai stating this?

Spoiler

It's from a user on YouTube who notoriously goes around to most Shantae comments to put others' hopes for her down. I've requested proof at least twice, as well as one other person I've seen ask so far, and of course it isn't given.

Well, whatever. If she's not going to be added playable, I'd doubt it'd be because of Spirit status.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

So, possibly redundant question:
Is there any record of Sakurai stating this?

Spoiler

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It's from a user on YouTube who notoriously goes around to most Shantae comments to put others' hopes for her down. I've requested proof at least twice, as well as one other person I've seen ask so far, and of course it isn't given.

Well, whatever. If she's not going to be added playable, I'd doubt it'd be because of Spirit status.

Not that I know of? And I think we would have heard about it, if he did state that...

 

[Biometal]

Not that I know of? And I think we would have heard about it, if he did state that...

Well, then.

Spoiler

 

[Isaac: Venus Adept]

So, possibly redundant question:
Is there any record of Sakurai stating this?

Spoiler

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It's from a user on YouTube who notoriously goes around to most Shantae comments to put others' hopes for her down. I've requested proof at least twice, as well as one other person I've seen ask so far, and of course it isn't given.

Well, whatever. If she's not going to be added playable, I'd doubt it'd be because of Spirit status.

Never believe a quote like that unless they have a reliable source attached

 

[Deleted member]

So, possibly redundant question:
Is there any record of Sakurai stating this?

Spoiler

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It's from a user on YouTube who notoriously goes around to most Shantae comments to put others' hopes for her down. I've requested proof at least twice, as well as one other person I've seen ask so far, and of course it isn't given.

Well, whatever. If she's not going to be added playable, I'd doubt it'd be because of Spirit status.

Lol he really thinks he can just say that when sakurai never actually said that at all

Btw what video did you find that comment on?

 

[Shinuto]

So, possibly redundant question:
Is there any record of Sakurai stating this?

Spoiler

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It's from a user on YouTube who notoriously goes around to most Shantae comments to put others' hopes for her down. I've requested proof at least twice, as well as one other person I've seen ask so far, and of course it isn't given.

Well, whatever. If she's not going to be added playable, I'd doubt it'd be because of Spirit status.

if there was source/proof I guarantee Gamexplain/Source gaming would already have had a video about it

 

[Parallel_Falchion]

So, possibly redundant question:
Is there any record of Sakurai stating this?

Spoiler

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It's from a user on YouTube who notoriously goes around to most Shantae comments to put others' hopes for her down. I've requested proof at least twice, as well as one other person I've seen ask so far, and of course it isn't given.

Well, whatever. If she's not going to be added playable, I'd doubt it'd be because of Spirit status.

This has been answered, but Sakurai would never deconfirm a whole swath of characters like that. It's extremely rare for him to "deconfirm" a single character at all, and those he has have become playable at this point (Ridley, Villager, arguably Ryu/Ken).

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Even if spirits did supposedly deconfirm fighters, there's no way they'd keep it that way past Season 1.

 

[Wwlink55]

It's Christmas Eve for some of us, so expect a bunch of new players tomorrow!

Still holding out for best girl Shantae! Joker reveal was great, but Shantae would be absolutely amazing!

 

[logicandreason]

long time no see guys. Merry Christmas eve to those who celebrate it.
And for the spirits, remember this decision was madeeven before dlc was thought about, so i doubt they were thinking "well this character is never going to be playable"

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Happy Christmas Eve to everyone here! I'm not sure if I'll get to join you guys on playing the game soon, but here's to hoping.

Yeah, one of the biggest worries for a lot of people, me included, is that Sakurai will sacrifice too much of his health. It's actually a huge problem in places like Japan, where some people overwork themselves so much they are either made incredibly ill or actually die because of it.

This reminds me, even Eichiiro Oda suffers from this (he doesn't sleep much at all), yet enjoys his job regardless. Though luckily Sakurai only produces games every once in a while, so cases like Smash 4 + Ultimate don't happen very often.

 

[Biometal]

Never believe a quote like that unless they have a reliable source attached

Of course not. Plus, there are plenty of people who've gotten their wanted characters playable already and choose to shoot down other peoples' hopes for other characters. Not sure if that's the case for wherever this guy is coming from, since he apparently likes/wants Shantae playable, too. He's trying to be some kind of "Disappointment Prevention Guru", apparently.

Lol he really thinks he can just say that when sakurai never actually said that at all
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Btw what video did you find that comment on?

AlphaStoutland's video on SlackerzGaming's rematch video for Bandana Dee vs. Shantae.

if there was source/proof I guarantee Gamexplain/Source gaming would already have had a video about it

Yep, pretty sure it'd be all over the place by now.

This has been answered, but Sakurai would never deconfirm a whole swath of characters like that. It's extremely rare for him to "deconfirm" a single character at all, and those he has have become playable at this point (Ridley, Villager, arguably Ryu/Ken).

 

[SimonferSmash]

Hope ya'll here have a most happiest of holidays!

Thanks so much for melding me into this welcoming thread!

 

[Parallel_Falchion]

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Uh...

I don't get it.

 

[Deleted member]

AlphaStoutland's video on SlackerzGaming's rematch video for Bandana Dee vs. Shantae.

Found his Channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/MetalZuko

He also said that this wasn’t from an article and it’s not a rumor it just him saying this is all being realistic

False alarm everyone we can all go home now

 

[Biometal]

Found his Channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/MetalZuko

He also said that this wasn’t from an article and it’s not a rumor it just him saying this is all being realistic

False alarm everyone we can all go home now

He likes to use the word "realistic".

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Hope ya'll here have a most happiest of holidays!

Hope you do too!

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

He likes to use the word "realistic".

My only opinion on this is the following:

 

[Deleted member]

He's trying to be some kind of "Disappointment Prevention Guru", apparently.

Kinda Reminds me of what hollywoodrok12 dose to us. don’t you think?

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Where I live, it's Christmas Day now, so...

MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYBODY!

Well, here's a little present from me.
Hope you like it!

 

[LaBeteNoire]

Even if spirits did supposedly deconfirm fighters, there's no way they'd keep it that way past Season 1.

I completely agree with this remark. I mean, basically everyone is a spirit. Dixie, Geno, Masked Man, every Zelda Character that isn't one of the triforce trio, every Kirby side character, most Sonic side characters, most street fighters... If there is a second season ad they aren't using spirits, then they have left themselves very few options.

And considering how Nintendo have stated before that they are wanting to stretch out the life span of their games with DLC, then I'm almost certain there will be more DLC for their "arguably biggest games"

 

[Shadowknight1]

Where I live, it's Christmas Day now, so...

MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYBODY!

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Well, here's a little present from me.
Hope you like it!

That's a lot of Rottytops for Christmas! Sure wish she'd bring me that Shantae plushie in the last pic, that would be so huggable!

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I completely agree with this remark. I mean, basically everyone is a spirit. Dixie, Geno, Masked Man, every Zelda Character that isn't one of the triforce trio, every Kirby side character, most Sonic side characters, most street fighters... If there is a second season ad they aren't using spirits, then they have left themselves very few options.

And considering how Nintendo have stated before that they are wanting to stretch out the life span of their games with DLC, then I'm almost certain there will be more DLC for their "arguably biggest games"

Well, almost every Kirby side character, anyway. Otherwise, I agree too.

Sure, they could use people that aren't spirits, but I personally think it could be a mix of people that are spirits, and people who aren't any. Like I've said a few times, you don't show your hand to the opponents as soon as the game starts, it's counterintuitive.

Where I live, it's Christmas Day now, so...

MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYBODY!

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Well, here's a little present from me.
Hope you like it!

Third one's best. What I wouldn't give for a Risky plush.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

Well, almost every Kirby side character, anyway. Otherwise, I agree too.

Sure, they could use people that aren't spirits, but I personally think it could be a mix of people that are spirits, and people who aren't any. Like I've said a few times, you don't show your hand to the opponents as soon as the game starts, it's counterintuitive.



Third one's best. What I wouldn't give for a Risky plush.

I haven't completed it yet, so I'm sorry if there was an important Kirby character that isn't a spirit who I lumped into that group. Do you mind telling me which Kirby character isn't a spirit yet? Is it Bandanna Waddle Dee? I saw the Waddle Dee spirit was upgradable so i thought it would become him.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I haven't completed it yet, so I'm sorry if there was an important Kirby character that isn't a spirit who I lumped into that group. Do you mind telling me which Kirby character isn't a spirit yet? Is it Bandanna Waddle Dee? I saw the Waddle Dee spirit was upgradable so i thought it would become him.

Adeline & Ribbon. One could chalk this to Sakurai deliberately not taking them into account, but that doesn't explain why nearly every other paint-related character except Elline isn't in either (even Paint Roller). BWD is definitely in though.

Anyway, the Wiki section for Kirby is complete, I believe: https://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_spirits_(Kirby_series)

 

[LaBeteNoire]

Adeline & Ribbon. One could chalk this to Sakurai deliberately not taking them into account, but that doesn't explain why nearly every other paint-related character except Elline isn't in either (even Paint Roller). BWD is definitely in though.

Anyway, the Wiki section for Kirby is complete, I believe: https://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_spirits_(Kirby_series)

That's great. I assumed Adeline had to be a spirit because she is one of the few Kirby characters i would like included (as well as Nago and Chuchu. What can I say, Dreamleand 3 is my favorite Kirby game)

Adeline would be a really fun inclusion.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

That's great. I assumed Adeline had to be a spirit because she is one of the few Kirby characters i would like included (as well as Nago and Chuchu. What can I say, Dreamleand 3 is my favorite Kirby game)

Adeline would be a really fun inclusion.

Incidentally, KDL3 is a childhood game of mine, so that's rather nice to hear from you.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

Incidentally, KDL3 is a childhood game of mine, so that's rather nice to hear from you.

Superstar is a great game, but I have a small grudge against it for how it almost always over shadows Dreamland 3, which to me is a far superior game.

Not only were there so many more levels but each level had a hidden goal behind it that was always really cool to figure out. You might need to bring a specific partner, a specific copy ability (or a combination of both)

I think Superstar gets remembered more because of the more copy abilities (which to me is lessened when you include all the partner/ability combinations) and better co-op options (no arguments there, playing as any enemy character for player two is way better than Gooey) but to me Dreamland 3 will always be the more charming and memorable game.

 

[EarlTamm]

Superstar is a great game, but I have a small grudge against it for how it almost always over shadows Dreamland 3, which to me is a far superior game.

Not only were there so many more levels but each level had a hidden goal behind it that was always really cool to figure out. You might need to bring a specific partner, a specific copy ability (or a combination of both)

I think Superstar gets remembered more because of the more copy abilities (which to me is lessened when you include all the partner/ability combinations) and better co-op options (no arguments there, playing as any enemy character for player two is way better than Gooey) but to me Dreamland 3 will always be the more charming and memorable game.

Superstar is also remembered for adding more abilities to the powers through directional imputs, something that would become a standard for future Kirby games and Smash itself, making it very influential. It also brought the arena, another Kirby mainstay.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Superstar is also remembered for adding more abilities to the powers through directional imputs, something that would become a standard for future Kirby games and Smash itself, making it very influential. It also brought the arena, another Kirby mainstay.

And, of course, BWD. Granted, he wasn't properly incorporated until Kumazaki handled the remake of KSS.

KDL3 would have been remembered more if it wasn't the absolute last American SNES game release. Also, who's the artist that did the "Kirby is the strongest fighter" comic again? I thought the edit with a screenshot of ROB in KDL3 was really well done.

So anyway, it would be nice if Kirby can get to mingle with the fellow portable star Shantae one of these days.