Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Deleted member]

Yeah, I mean think about it.
If Spirits can't be fighters... What characters are even left for DLC then?

Not to mention some of the known Spirits prove that argument wrong already.
With characters like Kaptain K. Rool, Meta Ridley, etc, being present as spirits.

And let's not forget: Spirits are Trophy-replacements.
And in the past, Trophies were promoted to fighters via DLC later.
(Lucas and Mewtwo in Smash 4)

So who's to say it can't be the same with Spirits?


And if people say, Shantae appears as her main form, instead of her transformations or any alternates, like Meta Ridley, etc.
She appears in her HGH-appearance. And if that really is an issue...
They could simply base Shantae's appearance on her older games, instead of HGH. Problem solved!
Shantae had a completely different appearance in each and every new game.
So this could play in her favour, if that really is a problem.


And let's not forget one thing:
Chrom is playable, a MII Costume and part of Robin's Final Smash, all at the same time.
So you really think having identical Fighters and Spirits would be a problem for them, with that around?



All of these "characters can't be this and that at the same time" is yet another fan rule.
And as Smash has shown us many times before already, they're always wrong!

So don't worry about it.
Shantae's chances haven't diminished at all!

Could that loser be piggybacking off of verge?

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Yeah, I mean think about it.
If Spirits can't be fighters... What characters are even left for DLC then?

Not to mention some of the known Spirits prove that argument wrong already.
With characters like Kaptain K. Rool, Meta Ridley, etc, being present as spirits.

And let's not forget: Spirits are Trophy-replacements.
And in the past, Trophies were promoted to fighters via DLC later.
(Lucas and Mewtwo in Smash 4)

So who's to say it can't be the same with Spirits?


And if people say, Shantae appears as her main form, instead of her transformations or any alternates, like Meta Ridley, etc.
She appears in her HGH-appearance. And if that really is an issue...
They could simply base Shantae's appearance on her older games, instead of HGH. Problem solved!
Shantae had a completely different appearance in each and every new game.
So this could play in her favour, if that really is a problem.


And let's not forget one thing:
Chrom is playable, a MII Costume and part of Robin's Final Smash, all at the same time.
So you really think having identical Fighters and Spirits would be a problem for them, with that around?



All of these "characters can't be this and that at the same time" is yet another fan rule.
And as Smash has shown us many times before already, they're always wrong!

So don't worry about it.
Shantae's chances haven't diminished at all!

Well even if a character being a spirit deconfirms them is true, we still have Banjo & Kazooie, Crash Bandicoot, and Rayman to maybe look forward to.

 

[Deleted member]

Well even if a character being a spirit deconfirms them is true, we still have Banjo & Kazooie, Crash Bandicoot, and Rayman to maybe look forward to.

He said that banjo isn’t happening which triggers me

 

[RetrogamerMax]

He said that banjo isn’t happening which triggers me

Until we see, it's not true!

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Who are we even talking about?

 

[meleebrawler]

We should probably check the wording of that leak. Did he really say "no spirits as characters ever", or just not in this wave?

Well even if a character being a spirit deconfirms them is true, we still have Banjo & Kazooie, Crash Bandicoot, and Rayman to maybe look forward to.

And Monster Hunter, probably should have put him in that top five I posted instead of Ryu Hayabusa.

 

[logicandreason]

some things to remember guys:
Verge or any leaker not being wrong yet doesnt mean they will never be wrong
Spirits dont mean characters are deconfirmed. yet
Dont attack people for having opinions.
Anything can happen. We have mr too big and a plant as characters.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Who are we even talking about?

Hitagi who is the leaker that said Katalina and Steve are in. Verge trusts him, but I don't until I see it.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

some things to remember guys:
Verge or any leaker not being wrong yet doesnt mean they will never be wrong
Spirits dont mean characters are deconfirmed. yet
Dont attack people for having opinions.
Anything can happen. We have mr too big and a plant as characters.

This.

Shantae's chances are still there, I will stand by it, until all DLC content has been revealed and she isn't there.

 

[NukeA6]

And why should we believe them?

Also, where does it even say that Spirits won't be DLC.
I haven't seen anything like that in that post.


And, for argument's sake, if this is true, who are even candidates for DLC at this point?

1. Because their leak track record has been pretty good so far. C'mon, you already know this with Vergeben. As for Hitagi, he leaked about new Samurai Shodown game happening months before it got announced.

2. https://www.reddit.com/user/Senjougahara__Hitagi/comments/9ux39a/
Press CTRL + F and search for spirit if you can't find it.

3. Mostly third party at the moment or any character from a Nintendo game yet to be released.

We will have to wait and see if that is the case because characters that were trophies in Smash 4 got promoted to playable status through DLC like Mewtwo and Lucas.

No leaker said any trophy had no chance at being playable either.

 

[meleebrawler]

1. Because their leak track record has been pretty good so far. C'mon, you already know this with Vergeben. As for Hitagi, he leaked about new Samurai Shodown game happening months before it got announced.

2. https://www.reddit.com/user/Senjougahara__Hitagi/comments/9ux39a/
Press CTRL + F and search for spirit if you can't find it.

3. Mostly third party at the moment or any character from a Nintendo game yet to be released.




No leaker said any trophy had no chance at being playable either.

Even if we are to believe this guy somehow got ahold of Nintendo's business strategy for Smash years down the line... the chances of them simply changing plans and throwing the whole "leak" off increase the further you look ahead. Basically, they may have no plans to make spirits playable at the moment, but nothing stops them from changing their mind later.

 

[NukeA6]

Even if we are to believe this guy somehow got ahold of Nintendo's business strategy for Smash years down the line... the chances of them simply changing plans and throwing the whole "leak" off increase the further you look ahead. Basically, they may have no plans to make spirits playable at the moment, but nothing stops them from changing their mind later.

The same stuff was said about Ken and Incineroar. I wouldn't keep my hopes up but if it makes you feel better, Hitagi mentioned that many Nintendo fans would be pretty happy with some of the DLC choices.

 

[Deleted member]

The same stuff was said about Ken and Incineroar. I wouldn't keep my hopes up but if it makes you feel better, Hitagi mentioned that many Nintendo fans would be pretty happy with some of the DLC choices.

HAPPY?!?!

YOU CALL A EMOTIONLESS BLOCKHEAD GETING IN OVER AN BELOVABLE DUO HAPPY?!?!?

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Hitagi mentioned that many Nintendo fans would be pretty happy with some of the DLC choices.

Lmao! That guy doesn't have good taste if he really thinks that's what everybody wants.

 

[zferolie]

According to Hitagi, spirits won't be DLC. Given his track record and Vergeben saying he knows things he doesn't, Shantae is out. I just hope we don't get Dixie over her.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77188739

I controlled F and saw no mention of spirits, so thats wrong. Spirits can still be DLC. Plus, this line had me interested...

- Hitagi has heard other character names. However, when pressed for details, he stated that "I can't disclose rn" and added that the characters were from "all over the spectrum" of video games instead of just being potential Square-Enix reps. He hinted at another Western-made character.

Another western made character... shantae is a western made character.

 

[Deleted member]

I controlled F and saw no mention of spirits, so thats wrong. Spirits can still be DLC. Plus, this line had me interested...



Another western made character... shantae is a western made character.

So is commandervideo,crash,and rayman

 

[Shinuto]

I controlled F and saw no mention of spirits, so thats wrong. Spirits can still be DLC. Plus, this line had me interested...



Another western made character... shantae is a western made character.

it was mentioned in a question using "spirit" not "spirits"

 

[NukeA6]

I controlled F and saw no mention of spirits, so thats wrong. Spirits can still be DLC. Plus, this line had me interested...

https://www.reddit.com/user/Senjougahara__Hitagi/comments/9ux39a/

I could've sworn I posted the reddit link.

HAPPY?!?!

YOU CALL A EMOTIONLESS BLOCKHEAD GETING IN OVER AN BELOVABLE DUO HAPPY?!?!?

He could've been trolling on that one but he did mention it.

 

[Deleted member]

Could he just be piggybacking off verge because he wants to be more credible?

 

[meleebrawler]

https://www.reddit.com/user/Senjougahara__Hitagi/comments/9ux39a/

I could've sworn I posted the reddit link.



He could've been trolling on that one but he did mention it.

In his opinion. Not based on some source or intel he apprently has. Just his opinion, one that anyone in the Internet can have.

Whatever. Believe this leak or not, at the end of the day there's nothing in it as hard evidence that Shantae won't be in.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Lmao! That guy doesn't have good taste if he really thinks that's what everybody wants.

Yeah.

I can really feel another harassment-session starting between leak believers and non-believers.
So I will head out...

 

[zferolie]

https://www.reddit.com/user/Senjougahara__Hitagi/comments/9ux39a/

I could've sworn I posted the reddit link.



He could've been trolling on that one but he did mention it.

Yeah just says based on his personal opinion, not that if he has proof from sources. No way to tell just yet till we see what nintendo does or sakurai says

 

[Deleted member]

I’m still a little pissed what he said


And it’s hard accepting Steve as a playable fighter

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

I’m still a little pissed what he said


And it’s hard accepting Steve as a playable fighter

I suggest you take a break from the internet.
You'd be doing both of us a favour...

 

[NukeA6]

I’m still a little pissed what he said


And it’s hard accepting Steve as a playable fighter

C'mon, you knew that was gonna be a possibility. And what's with the sudden heel turn? I thought you liked him since you liked posting those creepy Steve pics.

 

[Shadowknight1]

1. Because their leak track record has been pretty good so far. C'mon, you already know this with Vergeben. As for Hitagi, he leaked about new Samurai Shodown game happening months before it got announced.

2. https://www.reddit.com/user/Senjougahara__Hitagi/comments/9ux39a/
Press CTRL + F and search for spirit if you can't find it.

3. Mostly third party at the moment or any character from a Nintendo game yet to be released.




No leaker said any trophy had no chance at being playable either.

1. No it isn't. Vergeben may have gotten Smash stuff right, but he still missed quite a few things and things he didn't get outright wrong, ie. the mysterious SE rep he swore was coming along with Ken and Incineroar, he claims were pushed to DLC. He has gotten things wrong about other games, so why should we continue to take him at his word here?

2. That was asking for an opinion. Frankly, an opinion holds as much water as a rusted out colander.

3. If you seriously think that being a spirit is deconfirmation, Nintendo shot down hundreds, if not thousands, of possible money makers. They've done some stupid things in the past(Virtual Boy, Wii U), but they wouldn't be this insane.

 

[meleebrawler]

C'mon, you knew that was gonna be a possibility. And what's with the sudden heel turn? I thought you liked him since you liked posting those creepy Steve pics.

I think he's incapable of supporting a character without putting down every other one. Even if he contradicts himself. I still remember how he turned on Shantae the instant Banjo seemed more likely to him.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Oh goody, looks like this thread has once again descended into chaos. Fun...

 

[Deleted member]

C'mon, you knew that was gonna be a possibility. And what's with the sudden heel turn? I thought you liked him since you liked posting those creepy Steve pics.

Would you shut up about that I didn't like it and it’s hard getting used to him

 

[NukeA6]

I should stop now but you all need to stop having such high expectations especially since the last revealed characters were the ones we wanted the least.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I still remember how he turned on Shantae the instant Banjo seemed more likely to him.

That's a day we shouldn't forget lol! I support a lot of characters, so I don't see why somebody would betray a character for another when they can support them both.

 

[Deleted member]

I should stop now but you all need to stop having such high expectations especially since the last revealed characters were the ones we wanted the least.

Yeah thanks a lot

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Yeah thanks a lot

Oh great, Connor is being an unreasonable ****, once again. **** my life.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh great, Connor is being an unreasonable ****, once again. **** my life.

Well I’m sorry I can’t stand people like this

 

[Thermithral]

So, I am back. I have not finished all of Pirates Curse but I was enjoying it until something else distracted me. And it got me thinking.

What would Shantae be like with the third axis? The Metroid Prime of Shantae, so to speak. I imagine a Shantae game with a style similar to Odyssey, and with a map similar to Prime 1 would be super fun.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

So, I am back. I have not finished all of Pirates Curse but I was enjoying it until something else distracted me. And it got me thinking.

What would Shantae be like with the third axis? The Metroid Prime of Shantae, so to speak. I imagine a Shantae game with a style similar to Odyssey, and with a map similar to Prime 1 would be super fun.

I don't know if the "collectathon" genre, would really mesh well with Shantae, but if this proposed 3D Shantae game had a map, similar to Metroid Prime's, I'd say would be pretty cool.

 

[Shadowknight1]

I should stop now but you all need to stop having such high expectations especially since the last revealed characters were the ones we wanted the least.

Whatever you say Nancy. I swear, you people that believe every single leak. For one thing, even if they get this first Fighter Pack, there's still hope for a second pack. For another, I really don't think Matt Bozon would be encouraging our support if Shantae didn't have a chance to make it to the roster in the future.

Also, regarding these so-called leak characters, I do NOT see why Katalina is getting hate other than her game not being on a Nintendo system. I've watched the gameplay for Granblue Fantasy Project Re Link and it looks fun! And she looks like a cool character, pun intended. Steve...I'm ambivalent towards. I likely won't play as him if he IS released except to do Classic mode once with him. I will be fine with virtually any Square representative. And those seem to be the only ones that anyone is even close to "sure" on, so we don't know. It may be true, it may not be.

 

[Thermithral]

I don't know if the "collectathon" genre, would really mesh well with Shantae, but if this proposed 3D Shantae game had a map, similar to Metroid Prime's, I'd say would be pretty cool.

I would argue that in a sense, Metroid and games comparable to it, like Shantae, could be defined as collectathons since you must collect items in a certain order to progress, and they have a lot of items. At the same time, I agree in that I would like Shantae and The Axis Switch™ to take more inspiration from Half Genie Hero and Prime, than 3d Mario and the like.

The dances could work like the Wind Waker in...The Wind Waker, and the ease of 3d animation compared to hand made sprites would allow each transformation to have a unique dance as well. The game world could allow for a lot of unique interactions, depending on how many of them they decide would be appropriate.

...I wonder if WayForward is hiring.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Seems like the harassment session won't come to pass after all.
Glad to see it.

I think he's incapable of supporting a character without putting down every other one. Even if he contradicts himself. I still remember how he turned on Shantae the instant Banjo seemed more likely to him.

Yeah. I can remember that as well.

He kinda became a troublemaker.

So, I am back. I have not finished all of Pirates Curse but I was enjoying it until something else distracted me. And it got me thinking.

What would Shantae be like with the third axis? The Metroid Prime of Shantae, so to speak. I imagine a Shantae game with a style similar to Odyssey, and with a map similar to Prime 1 would be super fun.

I don't think a 3D-game with Shantae will ever happen.
Matt Bozon said before that they experimented with it once.
But since Shantae's long hair completely covers her up from a back view, they decided against having a 3D-Shantae game.

 

[Deleted member]

He kinda became a troublemaker.

Don’t blame me blame the grinch