Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[conTAgi0n]

Yo we really need to manage expectations in this thread.

Please, please, please do not overestimate what dedicated fan support can accomplish for a character joining the Smash Bros. roster. The whole damn Internet could be crying out with one voice, begging for Shantae be added to Smash Bros. as DLC, and that still wouldn't guarantee her a spot. Getting vocal doesn't guarantee that the right people will even hear you.

Don't mistake me for a pessimist. I still believe Shantae has a meaningful chance at being DLC at some point during Ultimate's life cycle. I also still believe that dedicated fan support can improve a character's odds. I'm as ready as ever to fight the good fight.

However, I'm seeing too many people here talk about the burnout they are experiencing, about the effort and the emotional toll that might come with another year-long or longer campaign for Shantae in Smash. About whether all this is really worth it for how much difference it will make.

Please, for your own sakes, do not be here and do not fight for Shantae as a personal sacrifice to help her get into Smash. There's no guarantee that your sacrifice will even make a difference. It might, but your time and your emotional well being are worth a lot more than that. If you are going to participate in our little community here, if you are going to show your support on Twitter or Reddit or Smashboards, if you are going to take the time to make all that kickass Shantae art... make sure you are doing it just for fun. Make sure it's something you'd be willing to do entirely for its own sake.

And I genuinely hope that all of you do continue to participate here. And I love all the awesome Shantae fan art I see here, I can't believe how much artistic talent there is here in this thread. But this needs to be a healthy, positive experience for everyone involved. If you need a break from this site, then take one. If you need a break from making fan art and thinking about Shantae's chances and all that, then please, take one. But if you find this stressing you out to the point that you need a break from it, then I implore you to re-evaluate your relationship with the Shantae for Smash campaign. Participating here and drawing fan art and all should be a source of stress relief, not stress.

I don't mean to rant, but for the health of this thread, for the health of everyone here individually, and even indirectly for the health of the broader Shantae campaign, we all need to make sure we are doing this for the right reasons, and with reasonable expectations for what may or may not come of it.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

It wasn't he ''missed'' ,,,, and but he didn't know.

That's the same thing.

Also, there is no proof. Or have his sources been revealed?
No? Then shut up.


Also, interesting to see that Hollywood enjoys me getting beaten down...

 

[RetrogamerMax]

That's the same thing.

Also, there is no proof. Or have his sources been revealed?
No? Then shut up.


Also, interesting to see that Hollywood enjoys me getting beaten down...

You probably think you won the debate, but I don't really care if you think that. I'm done talking with you.

Edit: Missed would be like the Gematsu leaker back in Smash 4 who got ,,,,, right, but got Chrom and the Chorus Kids wrong.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

You probably think you won the debate

You seriously think I care about something so pointless?

I'm done talking with you.

The feeling is mutual.

 

[hassoutobi]

Yaaay my girl Daisy keeps helping our cause ! <3

it is funny how she evolved from being Shantae's banner evidence, to Shantae's not-just-a-spirit evidence. gameboy sisters look out for each other, i guess.

 

[zferolie]

Because it's just in this thread's nature to worry.

I worry about things way too much, but oddly, I'm not worried about Shantae in the slightest.
I'm not worried about Rotty getting representation, either.

We are a bunch of worry warts it seems haha

Doesn't help when Verge basically called out all the DLC slots by shifting his "sources" from base to DLC. That's why people are worried. I ain't worried though. He can say anything he wants. We ain't down and out yet folks.

He hasn't claimed every slot. At most we got 3 slots. I heard veiwtiful joe once but I HIGHLY doubt thats right, or if capcom is getting any more as they already got ken. So at most 3 slots are taken (SE rep, Steve, Katalina) that still leaves 2 unknowns

Yo we really need to manage expectations in this thread.

Please, please, please do not overestimate what dedicated fan support can accomplish for a character joining the Smash Bros. roster. The whole damn Internet could be crying out with one voice, begging for Shantae be added to Smash Bros. as DLC, and that still wouldn't guarantee her a spot. Getting vocal doesn't guarantee that the right people will even hear you.

Don't mistake me for a pessimist. I still believe Shantae has a meaningful chance at being DLC at some point during Ultimate's life cycle. I also still believe that dedicated fan support can improve a character's odds. I'm as ready as ever to fight the good fight.

However, I'm seeing too many people here talk about the burnout they are experiencing, about the effort and the emotional toll that might come with another year-long or longer campaign for Shantae in Smash. About whether all this is really worth it for the how much difference it will make.

Please, for your own sakes, do not be here and do not fight for Shantae as a personal sacrifice to help her get into Smash. There's no guarantee that your sacrifice will even make a difference. It might, but your time and your emotional well being are worth a lot more than that. If you are going to participate in our little community here, if you are going to show your support on Twitter or Reddit or Smashboards, if you are going to take the time to make all that kickass Shantae art... make sure you are doing it just for fun. Make sure it's something you'd be willing to do entirely for its own sake.

And I genuinely hope that all of you do continue to participate here. And I love all the awesome Shantae fan art I see here, I can't believe how much artistic talent there is here in this thread. But this needs to be a healthy, positive experience for everyone involved. If you need a break from this site, then take one. If you need a break from making fan art and thinking about Shantae's chances and all that, then please, take one. But if you find this stressing you out to the point that you need a break from it, then I implore you to re-evaluate your relationship with the Shantae for Smash campaign. Participating here and drawing fan art and all should be a source of stress relief, not stress.

I don't mean to rant, but for the health of this thread, for the health of everyone here individually, and even indirectly for the health of the broader Shantae campaign, we all need to make sure we are doing this for the right reasons, and with reasonable expectations for what may or may not come of it.

Remember everyone, hype responsibly

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

it is funny how she evolved from being Shantae's banner evidence, to Shantae's not-just-a-spirit evidence. gameboy sisters look out for each other, i guess.

Yup, you could say that. : 3

 

[MajestyIndigo]

it is funny how she evolved from being Shantae's banner evidence, to Shantae's not-just-a-spirit evidence. gameboy sisters look out for each other, i guess.

My two favorite video game characters on top of that xD I would feel very lucky if they were to actually interact with ach other in that banner !
But for now I'm just glad being able to play Daisy with a Shantae spirit.

 

[Hyfiner]

Apparently Daisy's spirit is called a Fighter Spirit, which basically means that they're not equip-able.
https://twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1058708838621306881

Still proves that the rules that apply to tropies apply to spirits as well so hop is still there.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Speaking of third-party slots.
Anyone noticed that all the new third-party characters, are from companies that already had representation in Smash before?
Maybe this doesn't mean anything, but I'd like to believe that DLC could bring IPs from never before represented companies into Smash.
(Like WayForward. )

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Speaking of third-party slots.
Anyone noticed that all the new third-party characters, are from companies that already had representation in Smash before?
Maybe this doesn't mean anything, but I'd like to believe that DLC could bring IPs from never before represented companies into Smash.
(Like WayForward. )

Ahh, yes. Maybe not DLC necessarily, but I still think there are a few yet to be shown spirits, which come from previously unrepresented companies, still in the base.

Also, I was wondering, is it possible that someone like Patricia Wagon could have made it in as a spirit, alongside Shantae?

 

[MajestyIndigo]

Apparently Daisy's spirit is called a Fighter Spirit, which basically means that they're not equip-able.
https://twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1058708838621306881

Still proves that the rules that apply to tropies apply to spirits as well so hop is still there.

Well this is not really good news but I don't want to listen to the fanmade rules anymore because they always prove themselves to be wrong

 

[Mrs.Milky]

I've heard that chrom is still in robins final smash? So this means you can still have multiple roles in the game?

 

[Dukefire]

I've heard that chrom is still in robins final smash? So this means you can still have multiple roles in the game?

I've heard that chrom is still in robins final smash? So this means you can still have multiple roles in the game?

sure, just like rathalos's Assist Trophy/Boss status

 

[LunarLiv]

If Chrom is in the battle, Alfonzo comes in for the assist.
Alfonzo: "Leave it to me!"

 

[MajestyIndigo]

I'm wondering, at what point was the ballot announced for smash 4 ? before release, after release ? I think it was after the first wave of DLC but I'm not sure, does anyone remember ?
Because anothr ballot would be the best thing for us ^^

 

[SneakyLink]

I'm wondering, at what point was the ballot announced for smash 4 ? before release, after release ? I think it was after the first wave of DLC but I'm not sure, does anyone remember ?
Because anothr ballot would be the best thing for us ^^

During the April 1 2015 direct.

DLC in general (bar ) was also announced here.

 

[Pakky]

If Shantae were to get in I wouldn't mind if she was like Pokemon Trainer but transformed during moves.

 

[EarlTamm]

You know, I wonder if Yellowlord has seen all of this news? I recall that they wanted some time away from the thread after all of the stuff from the direct happened, which is fine, you should always put those feeling above things like this.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

You know, I wonder if Yellowlord has seen all of this news? I recall that they wanted some time away from the thread after all of the stuff from the direct happened, which is fine, you should always put those feeling above things like this.

I've seen Yellow around the site recently, but I don't know if he's heard of this news, just yet.

 

[Yellowlord]

Yes, I've been aware of the news of Shantae being a spirit if that's what you're referring to.

 

[EarlTamm]

Yes, I've been aware of the news of Shantae being a spirit if that's what you're referring to.

Not that.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Yes, I've been aware of the news of Shantae being a spirit if that's what you're referring to.

No, it's um, Matt Bozon...

He tweeted about starting support for Shantae being Smash DLC.

 

[Yellowlord]

Not that.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Oh, I see: so Wayforward is campaigning for her to be in the game despite her Spirit presence? I suppose that's a good sign at least.

 

[EarlTamm]

Oh, I see: so Wayforward is campaigning for her to be in the game despite her Spirit presence? I suppose that's a good sign at least.

I figured it would be good for you to know that. You seemed very down about the whole thing, so I figured this would be a nice thing to see. It certainly brought up a lot of peoples spirits(ha) last night.

 

[Yellowlord]

I figured it would be good for you to know that. You seemed very down about the whole thing, so I figured this would be a nice thing to see. It certainly brought up a lot of peoples spirits(ha) last night.

The thought is appreciated and does help as it at least means 1 of my 2 most requested newcomers still have a chance. Although I haven't really given up on the other, I plan on supporting both Shantae and Isaac despite the latter's view by many for as long as I can.

 

[Dukefire]

Keep in mind to keep that fire in control after receiving fuel.

No matter what happens, hold that glimmering spark. Just don't go out with a salt bang

This image was just something random I wanted to post.

Made by Nickinamerica

 

[Wwlink55]

A small thing, but I was checking Twitter this morning and WayForward started following Nintendo UK.

Very, very unlikely to be Smash related, but its interesting.

 

[EarlTamm]

The thought is appreciated and does help as it at least means 1 of my 2 most requested newcomers still have a chance. Although I haven't really given up on the other, I plan on supporting both Shantae and Isaac despite the latter's view by many for as long as I can.

I hope both can get in eventually. I just wish for Isaac that there was more concrete proof that assist trophy purgatory is not a thing. The whole Robin final smash thing is a step in the right direction, but I just wish there was more so we could finish that "rule" for good.

 

[meleebrawler]

Try to avoid the trap of only looking at the end result and whether or not it aligns exactly with what you wanted. It's a selfish and dangerous line of thinking that ignores all the good you accomplish as you pursue that goal.

Support for Geno, Isaac and Shantae got them represented in Smash Ultimate when they all got little to none at all in the previous one. So to get hung up on them not being playable and declare all your efforts being for naught is just plain untrue, and you may need to reevaluate your reasons for campaigning in the first place. I came in because I liked getting to know all you Shantae fans, learning more about her series and wanting to see more of her in any way. I don't need her playable to keep doing that. If you do, doesn't that mean you're merely interested in the idea of her playable more than the character/series itself, or just being "right"?

 

[Mrs.Milky]

Try to avoid the trap of only looking at the end result and whether or not it aligns exactly with what you wanted. It's a selfish and dangerous line of thinking that ignores all the good you accomplish as you pursue that goal.

Support for Geno, Isaac and Shantae got them represented in Smash Ultimate when they all got little to none at all in the previous one. So to get hung up on them not being playable and declare all your efforts being for naught is just plain untrue, and you may need to reevaluate your reasons for campaigning in the first place. I came in because I liked getting to know all you Shantae fans, learning more about her series and wanting to see more of her in any way. I don't need her playable to keep doing that. If you do, doesn't that mean you're merely interested in the idea of her playable more than the character/series itself, or just being "right"?

This right here

 

[EarlTamm]

Try to avoid the trap of only looking at the end result and whether or not it aligns exactly with what you wanted. It's a selfish and dangerous line of thinking that ignores all the good you accomplish as you pursue that goal.

Support for Geno, Isaac and Shantae got them represented in Smash Ultimate when they all got little to none at all in the previous one. So to get hung up on them not being playable and declare all your efforts being for naught is just plain untrue, and you may need to reevaluate your reasons for campaigning in the first place. I came in because I liked getting to know all you Shantae fans, learning more about her series and wanting to see more of her in any way. I don't need her playable to keep doing that. If you do, doesn't that mean you're merely interested in the idea of her playable more than the character/series itself, or just being "right"?

I agree. While we did support Shantae here, we also made our own little community, with in jokes, memes, and all that good stuff. I don't want to lose all that and I am happy with us getting as far as we have, though of course we all desire to support Shantae all the way.

 

[Dukefire]

While the post of this artwork on twitter was here. I'll post the artwork itself in case people can't access it.

Artist: Kira-Vera

 

[meleebrawler]

While the post of this artwork on twitter was here. I'll post the artwork itself in case people can't access it.

Artist: Kira-Vera

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Is that second line of dialogue supposed to be Samus herself talking, celebrating her newfound ability to dance?

 

[zferolie]

So everyone having fun today? Just relaxing today, ordered some pizza and gonna watch a bunch of psyche episodes, maybe do some gaming. What are you guys doing today?

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I agree. While we did support Shantae here, we also made our own little community, with in jokes, memes, and all that good stuff. I don't want to lose all that and I am happy with us getting as far as we have, though of course we all desire to support Shantae all the way.

Well, I must confess, I did come here, mostly to socialise.

And, thank you all, for just... just, being great!

 

[Dukefire]

Is that second line of dialogue supposed to be Samus herself talking, celebrating her newfound ability to dance?

Nope, that was Shantae talking all the way since that body is possessed by her soul.

 

[Hollywoodrok12]

While the post of this artwork on twitter was here. I'll post the artwork itself in case people can't access it.

Artist: Kira-Vera

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Shantae looks like she's trying to convince herself that her being a spirit actually means anything besides her chances for DLC getting killed.

Oh and about the spirits deconfirming fighters thing...

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Fighter Sprits are separate from Normal Spirits and can't be equipped to fighters, meaning they can't just change an existing spirit to a fighter spirit if they end up being DLC, so Shantae HAS been deconfirmed after all.

But there might still be Smash 6/7! If we want a chance, then that's where we shoot for!

 

[meleebrawler]

Shantae looks like she's trying to convince herself that her being a spirit actually means anything besides her chances for DLC getting killed.

Oh and about the spirits deconfirming fighters thing...

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Fighter Sprits are separate from Normal Spirits and can't be equipped to fighters, meaning they can't just change an existing spirit to a fighter spirit if they end up being DLC, so Shantae HAS been deconfirmed after all.

But there might still be Smash 6/7! If we want a chance, then that's where we shoot for!

Uh yeah they can. All they have to do is use a different piece of art, like something from Pirate's Curse. That's literally what they did for Kaptain K. Rool.

 

[EarlTamm]

Shantae looks like she's trying to convince herself that her being a spirit actually means anything besides her chances for DLC getting killed.

Oh and about the spirits deconfirming fighters thing...

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Fighter Sprits are separate from Normal Spirits and can't be equipped to fighters, meaning they can't just change an existing spirit to a fighter spirit if they end up being DLC, so Shantae HAS been deconfirmed after all.

But there might still be Smash 6/7! If we want a chance, then that's where we shoot for!

So? That does not mean Shantae could not get her own different fighter spirit if she gets in, like how Mewtwo and Lucas got there own fighter trophies separate from those regular trophies.