Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Shadowknight1]

This is Katalina.

https://gbf.wiki/Katalina#Base Art

She is the main character from the Granblue games. She is a swordwomen who also has water and ice attacks. Also, Platinum games is make a granblue game with her as the lead. You can see some of her fighting style here.

While she isn't super flashy Granblue is a very big game in japan and has been for years.



That is recent succsess and most likely will die soon Granblue has been around for 6 years now I beleive and still a huge money maker in japan.

Apparently the internet ate my actual post earlier... I've seen bits of footage for the PS4 Granblue and it's on my radar of games I want! So a magical rapier wielding female fighter is A+ material in my book! I don't see why certain people are giving her a hard time, I think she'd be cool!

 

[MajestyIndigo]

This is a game where multiple players can already pick the same character in the same place, and only NOW it doesn't make sense that there's multiple Chroms?

I'm not mad because it doesn't make sense, I'm just saying that it is a lazy let down. They could have replaced him with Frederick at least.
And as I stated earlier, no logic really holds in this game, I know that.

But as others said, let's wait to have the actual game in our hands.

 

[Teeb147]

I'm glad to see this new footage coming up, but the video quality is really poor.

And holy **** ZSS runs fast. Her run speed is ****ing crazy. Also, Wario is slower in the air than before, and I dont understand what his strengths are. I hope the game isn't unbalanced :O

 

[meleebrawler]

As much as I would like to have faith, this is the same developer that confined Isaac to being an Assist Trophy and gave us a Piranha Plant instead. While the Smash fanbase has grown to accept PP the fact is Sakurai saw fan requests and chose to veer in a wildly different direction. After Smash 4 I simply do not have enough trust to believe Sakurai/Nintendo would drop the chance to make money off of the mobile market since that's exactly what Pokemon Let's Go is.

See, there's that that toxic mentality again, where anything less than a playable fighter means Sakurai was completely deaf to your support and is spiting you.

Your support got Isaac in the game again after being completely omitted from the previous one. That he's an assist isn't because he thinks little of you, it's just that he simply could not think of a good, complete moveset for him.

And, full disclosure here, with no disrespect intended, but... Isaac has little to no personality. He's pretty much just JRPG Link, and maybe it was just hard to make him stand out with that in mind.

 

[Makai Wars]

See, there's that that toxic mentality again, where anything less than a playable fighter means Sakurai was completely deaf to your support and is spiting you.

Your support got Isaac in the game again after being completely omitted from the previous one. That he's an assist isn't because he thinks little of you, it's just that he simply could not think of a good, complete moveset for him.

And, full disclosure here, with no disrespect intended, but... Isaac has little to no personality. He's pretty much just JRPG Link, and maybe it was just hard to make him stand out with that in mind.

? I don't care about Isaac personally, he was just an example of a popular character in the fanbase. You could replace him with Shadow, or Skull Kid, or whoever. The point is the claim "Sakurai is listening to the fans so we should be fine when it comes to DLC" is moot because characters like Corrin and Piranha Plant prove Sakurai will do whatever he wants anyways, more often than not leaning in favor of promotional material, and we as fans just have to accept it. That's why I'm not surprised at all when I see the possibility of a fighter from a high grossing mobile game potentially getting in Smash despite the complete lack of fan demand, because we've had this exact situation before with Corrin.

 

[Teeb147]

? I don't care about Isaac personally, he was just an example of a popular character. You could replace him with Shadow, or Skull Kid, or whoever. The point is the claim "Sakurai is listening to the fans so we should be fine when it comes to DLC" is moot because characters like Corrin and Piranha Plant prove Sakurai will do whatever he wants anyways, more often than not leaning in favor of promotional material, and we as fans just have to accept it. That's why I'm not surprised at all when I see the possibility of a fighter from a high grossing mobile game potentially getting in Smash despite the complete lack of fan demand, because we've had this exact situation before with Corrin.

That's always been the case though. The point this time for ultimate is that he listens much more. Ridley and K.rool are the best examples. (along with all the vets, and more)
I always knew he wouldnt be completely following fans' request, but a lot of people seemed to think so.
Sometimes it's for fun (like the plant), and other times it's for business or attention (like corrin). So yeah, there's definitely lots going into character decisions.

We can't be sure about what will be dlc, but my impression is that there could be 3 fan demand ones, and 2 for other reasons.

 

[Wademan94]

And since they are toys, who's to say there cannot be duplicates along with their spirits?

So now I'm gonna list my Shantae spirit/fighter combos I promised earlier today:

Sky: Yoshi, uses up special a lot along with Poke Balls that summon bird-like Pokemon
Bolo: Someone beat me to this, but yeah. Richter who trips a lot and is stunned by female assists.
Rottytops: Ridley. Uses forward tilt a lot. Stamina battle, but Ridley revives if not pushed offstage quickly, and speed is increased.
Risky Boots: Wolf. Uses his specials more, also has a Killing Edge.
Techno Baron: King K. Rool. He is tiny and flees from battle, but is accompanied by a giant Palutena.
Ammo Baron: Bowser. Has an infinitely spawning team of small Bowsers, all have permanent jetpacks. The main one just hovers behind his team while they attack.
Squid Baron: King Dedede. Alternates between using up special and dash attack. Food spawns periodically
Holly: Pokemon Trainer (Leaf). Uses a giant Ivysaur. Explosive items only.
Dagron: Ridley (again). Giant and jumps high in the air before descending to attack, then flies up again.
Warrior guy: Simon. Black silhouette and giant, but only uses moves involving punches and kicks.

Not bad, I have to agree on Risky and Techno Baron.

-I think I’ll combine my Sky idea with yours, fighting Shiek and mini Falco while invisible Yoshi’s constantly use their Egg Throw
-I brought up Richter as well for Bolo and don’t mind the tripping through I’m not sold on the female assists thing. I could see either more invisible Dededes throwing Gordos or Color TV-Game 15 present while fighting him
-I think Giant Kirby would also work as Squid Baron, using his Stone in midair a lot and having regular Kirbys running around
-I’m not really sure about the correlation between Rotty and Ridley, but I don’t really have a better alternative at the moment

 

[Sean Wheeler]

Well this is a busy thread. We get multiple pages per day? Must show how popular Shantae is. And a message popped up as I'm typing this.

 

[Wademan94]

Well this is a busy thread. We get multiple pages per day? Must show how popular Shantae is. And a message popped up as I'm typing this.

Yep that’s about right, everyday’s a party around here. Leave your coat right at the door, it’s hot out here in Scuttle Town.

 

[SneakyLink]

Well this is a busy thread. We get multiple pages per day? Must show how popular Shantae is. And a message popped up as I'm typing this.

I remember back before Shovel Knight's assist role got revealed this thread barely maintained two pages a week.

 

[Teeb147]

I'm not mad because it doesn't make sense, I'm just saying that it is a lazy let down. They could have replaced him with Frederick at least.
And as I stated earlier, no logic really holds in this game, I know that.

But as others said, let's wait to have the actual game in our hands.

Well you were right, it's chrom

And I do feel like it's kind of a lazy thing to do as well. It was fine for fan service in smash 4, but he/she couldve had their own FS this time around.
Unless it changes in the final release.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Rottytops: Ridley. Uses forward tilt a lot. Stamina battle, but Ridley revives if not pushed offstage quickly, and speed is increased.

I have no idea how this man thinks Ridley has any resemblance to Rottytops. I was thinking maybe Zelda... although, I have no idea where to go from there.

 

[Mrs.Milky]

I'm ready to see more shantae/Samus fanart
:0.

Oof I've been dead for so long wrapping my head around the direct.
Also any idea for who could be there Dlc characters?(sorry if you already discussed this.)

 

[Teeb147]

I'm ready to see more shantae/Samus fanart
:0.

Oof I've been dead for so long wrapping my head around the direct.
Also any idea for who could be there Dlc characters?(sorry if you already discussed this.)

Yeah we talked about it. Basically it might go between the voted characters: banjo, bandana dee, geno, shantae, etc.
And/or the insider claims like an SE rep, Steve, or a marketable character like from Granblue Fantasy.

And I say Parallel Falchion's avatar too ;p

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I'm ready to see more shantae/Samus fanart

Here you go.

Also any idea for who could be there Dlc characters?(sorry if you already discussed this.)

Sora, Banjo, Edelgard, a character from Granblue Fantasy, a retro maybe...

 

[meleebrawler]

I have no idea how this man thinks Ridley has any resemblance to Rottytops. I was thinking maybe Zelda... although, I have no idea where to go from there.

Ridley is the only character that uses a part of his body as a held weapon, and comes back from death (and if you go by the manga, eats human matter). The second closest one would be Daisy with the attitude.

 

[conTAgi0n]

The Verge leak of the Granblue character makes perfect sense. Two of the 7 DLC characters for Smash 4 were promotional (unless you believe Bayo really won the ballot), combined with the fact that Nintendo has been worming their way into the mobile market with FE:H and DL, a GBF character almost feels inevitable. Mobages are disgustingly massive in Japan, and GBF characters can easily fit into Dragalia Lost, combined with the fact that Sakurai clearly has no issue giving up fighter slots for promotional purposes everything comes together to create an extremely disappointing roster pick which was exactly what I suspected, only I thought it would be Fire Emblem again.

I don't know you guys, this combined with PP on top of Wayforward seeming to accept the sticker is as far as Shantae goes does not make me feel good about her being DLC, even IF Sprits =/= deconfirmation.

Of course WayForward would tweet some message about how thrilled they are to have Shantae as a Spirit, and thanking fans for their support. Even if WayForward were also actively negotiating for Shantae as DLC, even if she were already decided on as DLC, I can't imagine WF not tweeting something to that effect.


I also think you guys are thinking about the Piranha Plant the wrong way. Sakurai seems to love including a really wacky pick that no one would expect and no one would ever ask for. With G&W in Melee, R.O.B. in Brawl, Wii Fit Trainer AND Duck Hunt in Smash 4, it's practically tradition at this point. Even among joke picks, Piranha Plant would not have been my first choice, but I just see that as Sakurai's personal flair. We should have just assumed from the start that some random spot on either base roster or DLC would be lost to a wild pick from Sakurai. I don't think Piranha Plant is at all indicative of what we should generally expect from DLC choices.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Ridley is the only character that uses a part of his body as a held weapon, and comes back from death. The second closest one would be Daisy with the attitude.

Daisy, now that's better.

What attacks could Daisy potentially use though, that would fit Rotty? I'd just really hate for Rottytops to be represented in the game by a freaking evil-space-pirate-demon-dragon, thingamob.

 

[MajestyIndigo]

I'm probably going to get some hate for that about Sakurai and I don't know if I'm the only one who feels like this, but :

The " We made the impossibe possible, we worked sooo hard, when will I get a break blablabla " lines annoy me.
Literally everyone works hard developping big games. Many people don't even get to do their dream jobs and get paid nearly as much as him.
That's not right to make us feel guilty.

 

[conTAgi0n]

I remember back before Shovel Knight's assist role got revealed this thread barely maintained two pages a week.

Ah so that's what happened. I was curious when this thread exploded like this, because it was looking moribund early in the summer.

I'm glad to see this new footage coming up, but the video quality is really poor.

And holy **** ZSS runs fast. Her run speed is ****ing crazy. Also, Wario is slower in the air than before, and I dont understand what his strengths are. I hope the game isn't unbalanced :O

I also saw it mentioned somewhere that she might not have grab combos anymore, which would be a huge deal, but I don't have access to the game myself and I haven't watched much footage. Did you happen to see anyone use her down throw or anything?

 

[Wademan94]

I have no idea how this man thinks Ridley has any resemblance to Rottytops. I was thinking maybe Zelda... although, I have no idea where to go from there.

Now that I think about it, Yoshi could work for Rotty

-green skin
-eats people
-throws eggs similar to how Rotty throws her head

 

[Teeb147]

Of course WayForward would tweet some message about how thrilled they are to have Shantae as a Spirit, and thanking fans for their support. Even if WayForward were also actively negotiating for Shantae as DLC, even if she were already decided on as DLC, I can't imagine WF not tweeting something to that effect.


I also think you guys are thinking about the Piranha Plant the wrong way. Sakurai seems to love including a really wacky pick that no one would expect and no one would ever ask for. With G&W in Melee, R.O.B. in Brawl, Wii Fit Trainer AND Duck Hunt in Smash 4, it's practically tradition at this point. Even among joke picks, Piranha Plant would not have been my first choice, but I just see that as Sakurai's personal flair. We should have just assumed from the start that some random spot on either base roster or DLC would be lost to a wild pick from Sakurai. I don't think Piranha Plant is at all indicative of what we should generally expect from DLC choices.

It's not that they tweeted, obviously, it's the amount of gratefulness and adhering they had in the message, as if that's the best they could expect or something. (not that that's the case)

And if you want to tame down people about the plant, there's plenty around especially in the isaac thread. I think it's mostly redirected hate because of the 'lack' that was felt from getting hopes shattered after the recent strong leaks. Not saying there aren't people here who dislike it, but I think quite a few think it's cool.. *points to avatar*

Daisy, now that's better.

What attacks could Daisy potentially use though, that would fit Rotty? I'd just really hate for Rottytops to be represented in the game by a freaking evil-space-pirate-demon-dragon, thingamob.

What about the darker tone? like maybe Bayo or Dark samus. It's just for inspiration anyway. Maybe Daisy has a darker palette tho

 

[Deleted member]

hey who did the lyrics for lifelight?

 

[DoctorFate]

I'm ready to see more shantae/Samus fanart
:0.

Oof I've been dead for so long wrapping my head around the direct.
Also any idea for who could be there Dlc characters?(sorry if you already discussed this.)

I'm betting on the following based on the leaks from Verg and precedent from previous games:

-Dragon Quest Character
-Granblue Character
-Steve or Banjo with Minecraft stage
-Fire Emblem Promo character for 3 Houses
-1st Party Retro to promote an upgrade to the NES library on the Switch online

I think we'll also get a season 2 set of DLC which will include the fan favorites who got spirited and more popular 3rd party, like Geno, Shantae and Banjo (assuming he doesn't make it in over Steve). The first round, based on leaks, seems largely promotional.

 

[Teeb147]

I'm probably going to get some hate for that about Sakurai and I don't know if I'm the only one who feels like this, but :

The " We made the impossibe possible, we worked sooo hard, when will I get a break blablabla " lines annoy me.
Literally everyone works hard developping big games. Many people don't even get to do their dream jobs and get paid nearly as much as him.
That's not right to make us feel guilty.

I think it was just supposed to be funny. And to say that he puts a lot of work into smash. He even uses his spare time to play games and research for it. Not that I know how much he does.. but I think that you're frustrated about a few things and I get that.
Sakurai's pretty great. Smash is pretty darn awesome, all things considered.

 

[meleebrawler]

Daisy, now that's better.

What attacks could Daisy potentially use though, that would fit Rotty? I'd just really hate for Rottytops to be represented in the game by a freaking evil-space-pirate-demon-dragon, thingamob.

Aw c'mon, you don't wanna see Ridley showing some of that Rotty personality?

Well, Peach/Daisy use their crown, their tennis racket, golf club and frying pan, and I guess pulling vegetables from the ground could be construed as heads/skulls...

What about the darker tone? like maybe Bayo or Dark samus. It's just for inspiration anyway. Maybe Daisy has a darker palette tho

Forgot to mention, I see Dark Samus as Nega Shantae. Lots of transformation items and taunts whenever she gets one.

 

[Teeb147]

Ah so that's what happened. I was curious when this thread exploded like this, because it was looking moribund early in the summer.


I also saw it mentioned somewhere that she might not have grab combos anymore, which would be a huge deal, but I don't have access to the game myself and I haven't watched much footage. Did you happen to see anyone use her down throw or anything?

I saw a few up air strings, but I dont remember if it was from a throw. I think it's probably possible in some cases. But her up-b doesnt kill as well, from what i saw. Her grab is still slow tho. So it probably isn't as good. But her speed .. she must be almost as fast as sonic :O

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Now that I think about it, Yoshi could work for Rotty

-green skin
-eats people

Yoshi, is a Yoshi, not a Rotty. So, negative on that one.

What about the darker tone? like maybe Bayo or Dark samus. It's just for inspiration anyway. Maybe Daisy has a darker palette tho

Bayonetta, I can see that. Dark Samus, never.

Well, Peach/Daisy use their crown, their tennis racket, golf club and frying pan, and I guess pulling vegetables from the ground could be construed as heads/skulls...

Yes, okay, sure, that could work.

 

[RidleyKraid187]

Daisy, now that's better.

What attacks could Daisy potentially use though, that would fit Rotty? I'd just really hate for Rottytops to be represented in the game by a freaking evil-space-pirate-demon-dragon, thingamob.

I dunno man. The Imprisoned is represented as a giant King K.Rool, the Able sisters are just 3 Sonics, and Hal Emmerich is Dr. Mario. Rottytops being represented as an undead dragon or Daisy isn’t that weird by comparison. It’s not gonna be perfect. I think if Rotty’s a spirit, they may have her possessed fighter doing something Rotty would do, like how Chrom rapidly taunts with a Killing Edge as Owain. It may be Daisy rapidly doing a dancing taunt to simulate Rotty’s idle animation?

 

[MajestyIndigo]

I think it was just supposed to be funny. And to say that he puts a lot of work into smash. He even uses his spare time to play games and research for it. Not that I know how much he does.. but I think that you're frustrated about a few things and I get that.
Sakurai's pretty great. Smash is pretty darn awesome, all things considered.

I am frustrated indeed and focusing on the details I care about ^^ And I know it's meant to be a joke, but since he made it publicly known by now that making smash has made his life so miserable, it's hard to laugh. But I agree that having to play games all the time for work can take the passion and pleasure away.

 

[Makai Wars]

Of course WayForward would tweet some message about how thrilled they are to have Shantae as a Spirit, and thanking fans for their support. Even if WayForward were also actively negotiating for Shantae as DLC, even if she were already decided on as DLC, I can't imagine WF not tweeting something to that effect.

I get what you mean, if would be weird for them to NOT say something about Shantae's appearence, but I think them refusing to talk about DLC leans more toward that's just part of the deal rather than Shantae actually being a hidden extra character.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm betting on the following based on the leaks from Verg and precedent from previous games:

-Dragon Quest Character
-Granblue Character
-Steve or Banjo with Minecraft stage
-Fire Emblem Promo character for 3 Houses
-1st Party Retro to promote an upgrade to the NES library on the Switch online

I think we'll also get a season 2 set of DLC which will include the fan favorites who got spirited and more popular 3rd party, like Geno, Shantae and Banjo (assuming he doesn't make it in over Steve). The first round, based on leaks, seems largely promotional.

Here how I see it

-banjo
-steve
-sora
-elma
-bandana dee


Why put a dragon quest while one of the things in sakurai’s room resembles a KH symbol?

 

[Teeb147]

I am frustrated indeed and focusing on the details I care about ^^ And I know it's meant to be a joke, but since he made it publicly known by now that making smash has made his life so miserable, it's hard to laugh. But I agree that having to play games all the time for work can take the passion and pleasure away.

Oh. Im sure he still enjoys it, he puts a lot of passion into it. But you might be right to some degree. I'd rather he take a break than have a burn out anyway. The DLC phase should be less intensive though, so hopefully it's all good

The game aint perfect, but it's freakin awesome in many aspects. Im really happy that it's faster than smash 4 too.

 

[meleebrawler]

Now it's OK to feel some frustration and want to vent a little, but if you're still angry, I would rather use it to galvanize further support than turn it on others and torpedo the chances outright.

And if my experience here has taught me anything, it's that the hype and speculation journey can be more rewarding than the destination.

 

[Shinuto]

I'm probably going to get some hate for that about Sakurai and I don't know if I'm the only one who feels like this, but :

The " We made the impossibe possible, we worked sooo hard, when will I get a break blablabla " lines annoy me.
Literally everyone works hard developping big games. Many people don't even get to do their dream jobs and get paid nearly as much as him.
That's not right to make us feel guilty.

This feels really juvenile and naive to say when most of here arent in the industry and arent involved in a series/game as BIG as Smash as the Director of said game/series.

 

[M00NFIRE94]

I don't think we should be too worried about the Minecraft content. Sakurai only adds fighters that he thinks works and is unique enough from the rest and Steve, dude swings pickaxes and shoot arrows. Of course he can stack blocks, that would admittedly be his one unique trait, but I can't help but feel any attempt to make that an ability would be too clunky and game breaking.

 

[MajestyIndigo]

Now it's OK to feel some frustration and want to vent a little, but if you're still angry, I would rather use it to galvanize further support than turn it on others and torpedo the chances outright.

I always have been supportive of Shantae and will always be. I'm just sharing my thoughts on the recent direct which I think is ok since we are here to discuss it as well, unless you want all the messages from this thread to be like that " yay Shantae ftw <3 "
And don't get me wrong I still love this game so much of course = Having problems in a couple does not mean you don't love each other anymore

 

[SneakyLink]

I don't think we should be too worried about the Minecraft content. Sakurai only adds fighters that he thinks works and is unique enough from the rest and Steve, dude swings pickaxes and shoot arrows. Of course he can stack blocks, that would admittedly be his one unique trait, but I can't help but feel any attempt to make that an ability would be too clunky and game breaking.

This is Sakurai we're talking about here. The man who made a Piranha Plant playable.

Just because someone says *insert character here* cannot work doesn't mean Sakurai does.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I don't think we should be too worried about the Minecraft content. Sakurai only adds fighters that he thinks works and is unique enough from the rest and Steve, dude swings pickaxes and shoot arrows. Of course he can stack blocks, that would admittedly be his one unique trait, but I can't help but feel any attempt to make that an ability would be too clunky and game breaking.

I think Minecraft will get at least some representation in the game, it actually kind of deserves it, but I'd think a spirit of Steve would probably be the route they'd go, and it's really the best one at that.

 

[Hyfiner]

This feels really juvenile and naive to say when most of here arent in the industry and arent involved in a series/game as BIG as Smash as the Director of said game/series.

Besides the transition from Sm4sh to Ultimate development was fairly quick so it's not like Sakurai had much free time between projects.

If I was him I would also probably put a cheeky line in there to let people know how hard I worked. And it shows: he managed to pull one of the most impressive rosters in gaming. He deserves a break but given that DLC needs to be made idk how soon that will be.