Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Teeb147]

True. We honestly can't say anything is a real sure thing other then the SE rep. She would be fun though, another female fighter.



Yeah, that thread I don't think is a direct leak, just guesses based on vergeben and the other rep.

I'll still assume Steve is a Mii Fighter for sword style for now. Makes sense. And maybe its a very unique mii outfit where it looks nearly like Minecraft Steve, as his polys are so low. Thats the route I am going for till shown otherwise. I think all steve should get is a Mii Outfit.

Not all Mobile gatcha games are evil. Fate GO is a ton of fun. yes I spent way too much money in it but the story is great. I hear the same thing about Granblue(only on chapter 2 myself)

I love magic swordswomen. but if I had to choose between her and Edelgard, I'd go with an axe wielder (so long as she has some magic too)

 

[zferolie]

I would hold off on reading into WF's silence until after the game is released. While her spirit was shown Nintendo may wish for them to still hold off on talks about the game to prevent leaking anything on accident. I think this would include disconfirming her as DLC considering every character that is confirmed to not be DLC narrows down who CAN be DLC. If WF wants to keep a good relationship they probably don't want to step on any toes until things have all calmed down.

This could be right. Even if they say nothing till release, lets not hound or push them. They will answer when/if they can

I love magic swordswomen. but if I had to choose between her and Edelgard, I'd go with an axe wielder (so long as she has some magic too)

An ax user would be nice and different. I just dont think three houses is getting anything due to being to new, since rex was too new

 

[Teeb147]

This could be right. Even if they say nothing till release, lets not hound or push them. They will answer when/if they can



An ax user would be nice and different. I just dont think three houses is getting anything due to being to new, since rex was too new

Besides Rex, which did confuse me what they said (but may not close the possibility for dlc, since that was mentioned after, if i remember), The first dlc season is 1 year long, FE will be out and then the dlc will fit the time however they want. They wouldve known about it being developped and when approx it'd be done.

Also, I dont think Tjk's thought holds up, since deconfirming wouldnt be a concern for them. I really dont think they think that far when it comes to certain aspects. If they did then box theory wouldnt have been a thing that turned out how it did.

 

[MajestyIndigo]

The fact that they gave us a Rex mii costume instead of developping him for DLC means that they have already decided who the 5 DLC characters will be. Knowing that, why would they waste time making a Shantae challenge ?
Unless they still intend to make Rex playable in DLC and the costume was just a way to make us wait ? Why would they only do it just for this specific character then ? ugggghhhhh

 

[Jave]

I'm not looking nor believing any leaks because I won't believe anything is set on stone regarding the DLC characters right now. Everyone is fair game at this point, and chances are negotiations are being kept top secret for DLC, so any claims of "I have a source", I call BS right now.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

I've been thinking about the new Adventure Mode "World of Light".
And now that I've seen that trailer multiple times, I think I get an idea on what the story behind it is...

That being that there will be no story or cutscenes.
The subtitle said the Adventure Mode will be more about Fun, than Story.
And Sakurai kept talking about "imagination".
So my guess is that instead of making an in-game story and confine it to that path only...
Sakurai rather has the story play out in our minds, have us shape the story and thus allow it to be anything we want it to be.

Sure, it's not the same as having actual cutscenes and having the story actually play out in the game...
But at the same time, no one will be disappointed in how the story goes (not talking about the lack of story), since it can be anything they think of.

And that also means that adding DLC Characters into that Adventure Mode, will be a non-issue.
No direct story means no hassle integrating DLC-Characters into it, after the fact.

Funnily enough, I guess that includes us imaging under what circumstances did Shantae consider possessing Samus (or a copy of her) to not be evil? Kek.

 

[Teeb147]

The fact that they gave us a Rex mii costume instead of developping him for DLC means that they have already decided who the 5 DLC characters will be. Knowing that, why would they waste time making a Shantae challenge ?
Unless they still intend to make Rex playable in DLC and the costume was just a way to make us wait ? Why would they do it just for this specific character then ? ugggghhhhh

I thought we went over that already.. First of all, all spirits will have a challenge regardless, pretty sure. Piranha plant probably has one even if he's dlc too.
They may or may not change it if a character gets in.

I need to see back what they said about rex, because something's off. I doubt he's totally off the table as dlc.. but if he is then that bodes well for shantae because she'd have been considered before any of that.

A mii costume doesnt deconfirm characters necessarily.

 

[EarlTamm]

Funnily enough, I guess that includes us imaging under what circumstances did Shantae consider possessing Samus (or a copy of her) to not be evil? Kek.

From the looks of it, I don't think Shantae and the other spirits have free will, or at least, not the good spirits. They are just as much victims as all of the fighters

 

[TJKBird]

Also, I dont think Tjk's thought holds up, since deconfirming wouldnt be a concern for them. I really dont think they think that far when it comes to certain aspects. If they did then box theory wouldnt have been a thing that turned out how it did.

If this is in response to DLC, I am almost sure that they would have already decided on who they are picking if they already know they are going to have five characters, stages, and music. Getting Licenses for any third parties and creating all of this content takes time and seeing as to how they expect all DLC to be out by 2020 they would have to have gotten started with these characters in some form. Not necessarily any actual component in game but plans for the characters and who needs to work on what would need to be figured out if they want to get them out within a year.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Food for thought: what if instead of shantae, we get a different rep for the series.
like rottytops.

Fixed your post.

Anyway, yeah I agree that would be pretty funny.

 

[Wwlink55]

https://twitter.com/PJiggles_/status/1058245803804831749

Apparently fighter spirit is a specific distinction, so yes, it is true that fighters CAN have their own spirits.

Prediction here. Spirits are going to be even more similar to trophies, as there may be specific "spirits" for when you complete classic and all star as a fighter, one with themselves and one for a skin alt color or outfit.

Not only this...but then there's other trophies that are based on fighters, so I feel this might even further support that spirits do NOT mean disconfirmation, as any new DLC fighters will likely receive their own spirits as well.

 

[MajestyIndigo]

https://twitter.com/PJiggles_/status/1058245803804831749

Apparently fighter spirit is a specific distinction, so yes, it is true that fighters CAN have their own spirits.

Yes plus the more I think of it, the more I believe that every playable character will have their own spirit since these stickers replace the good old trophies; you cannot not have the game's fighters represented in that gallery.

EDIT : and it's totally possible to play Mario vs Mario vs Mario vs Mario, which means f*ck logic xD

 

[Shinuto]

Im not sure like that there's any tiers. It wouldve been cool if they all each had different strengths, so that any can be viable at any time.
Though I guess it's like that for the support abilities,, but I still think they could've done it a bit differently. Like that any spirit can be any tier (with luck?) or or you can simply level them up to get them stronger (which is the case anyway). So the tiers dont seem necessary. dunno. but it doesnt overshadow all of it, and I'm sure it'll be fun.

It was ajoke that her spirit tier would translate to her tier as a playable fighter

 

[Teeb147]

It was ajoke that her spirit tier would translate to her tier as a playable fighter

Oh. maybe I read it too quickly. Ive been skimming more because I read so slowly sometimes. :/
I just wanted to say i dont like the tier system, i think

 

[conTAgi0n]

The fact that they gave us a Rex mii costume instead of developping him for DLC means that they have already decided who the 5 DLC characters will be. Knowing that, why would they waste time making a Shantae challenge ?
Unless they still intend to make Rex playable in DLC and the costume was just a way to make us wait ? Why would they only do it just for this specific character then ? ugggghhhhh

On the other hand, if they knew Mewtwo was going to be a DLC character in Smash 4, why would they have bothered putting a trophy for him in the base game? And yet they did add that trophy. It seems like a comparable situation.

Further, it could be that they discussed Shantae representation with WayForward and decided to at least give her representation as a Spirit, before they were ready to make a final decision about including her as a DLC character.

EDIT: I need to figure out a good new Shantae image for my signature, my current one seems to be broken.

 

[zferolie]

You guys need to remember, in the games lore, all these spirits were toys to begin with, but their bodys have been lost. It makes sense that some of them would gain their bodys back via dlc. I think it would be quite touching to see a spirit gain its body back and become a fighter. Thats all these spirits want to do. heck, what if almost all the DLC characters are already spirits in the game?

Besides Rex, which did confuse me what they said (but may not close the possibility for dlc, since that was mentioned after, if i remember), The first dlc season is 1 year long, FE will be out and then the dlc will fit the time however they want. They wouldve known about it being developped and when approx it'd be done.

Also, I dont think Tjk's thought holds up, since deconfirming wouldnt be a concern for them. I really dont think they think that far when it comes to certain aspects. If they did then box theory wouldnt have been a thing that turned out how it did.

The way sakurai said plus the words underneith seemed to to suggest he was appologizing Rex wasn't possible for this round of DLC at least.

https://twitter.com/PJiggles_/status/1058245803804831749

Apparently fighter spirit is a specific distinction, so yes, it is true that fighters CAN have their own spirits.

Prediction here. Spirits are going to be even more similar to trophies, as there may be specific "spirits" for when you complete classic and all star as a fighter, one with themselves and one for a skin alt color or outfit.

Not only this...but then there's other trophies that are based on fighters, so I feel this might even further support that spirits do NOT mean disconfirmation, as any new DLC fighters will likely receive their own spirits as well.

Well this helps for sure at pointing that playable fighters can be spirits, but honestly we need favtual proof from either insiders, or sakurai or nintendo themselves, saying if spirits cannot become fighters one day.

On the other hand, if they knew Mewtwo was going to be a DLC character in Smash 4, why would they have bothered putting a trophy for him in the base game? And yet they did add that trophy. It seems like a comparable situation.

Further, it could be that they discussed Shantae representation with WayForward and decided to at least give her representation as a Spirit, before they were ready to make a final decision about including her as a DLC character.

Oh they obviously knew they wanted to bring Mewtwo back, same with lucas. Both had trophies in the base game. If they knew who they wanted to make as DLC, I can easily see them giving some of them Spirits, so they can gain their bodies back in their reveal trailer.

 

[MajestyIndigo]

On the other hand, if they knew Mewtwo was going to be a DLC character in Smash 4, why would they have bothered putting a trophy for him in the base game? And yet they did add that trophy. It seems like a comparable situation.

Further, it could be that they discussed Shantae representation with WayForward and decided to at least give her representation as a Spirit, before they were ready to make a final decision about including her as a DLC character.

EDIT: I need to figure out a good new Shantae image for my signature, my current one seems to be broken.

You are right ! That DLC explanation part was confusing as f**k ! And I think nothing is impossible and fanmade rules often tend to be false anyway

 

[Teeb147]

The way sakurai said plus the words underneith seemed to to suggest he was appologizing Rex wasn't possible for this round of DLC at least.

If that really is the case, then that's good news for shantae.
The reason I say something's off is that if dlc hasnt been finalized then they can easily put a new character in, just like they put corrin in smash 4 dlc even before the game's release. Im not convinced yet that it's already been set in stone, but I will probably check back the direct, and maybe in a different version/language to see if it's the same.

 

[MajestyIndigo]

If that really is the case, then that's good news for shantae.
The reason I say something's off is that if dlc hasnt been finalized then they can easily put a new character in, just like they put corrin in smash 4 dlc even before the game's release. Im not convinced yet that it's already been set in stone, but I will probably check back the direct, and maybe in a different version/language to see if it's the same.

The french version also states that they havn't strated to work on the DLC at all yet and that they'll start right after the game's release. They don't know how long it'll take to finish them ( a year or so ). To me it indicates that the characters have not been chosen early on

 

[zferolie]

The french version also states that they havn't strated to work on the DLC at all yet and that they'll start right after the game's release. They don't know how long it'll take to finish them ( a year or so ). To me it indicates that the characters have not been chosen early on

Sakurai in the ENG version also said they haven't started yet, but Sakurai also said they already picked the 5 characters early on, and rex was announced after that

 

[Teeb147]

Sakurai in the ENG version also said they haven't started yet, but Sakurai also said they already picked the 5 characters early on, and rex was announced after that

lol conflicting information. Unless we just take it to mean that they havent started on them but they were already selected and maybe even designed to some degree. It's definitely weird that they say they havent started, and almost imply that it isnt decided til after the release, yet they say rex cant be in the game. So.. .which one's the exaggeration?

 

[MajestyIndigo]

Sakurai in the ENG version also said they haven't started yet, but Sakurai also said they already picked the 5 characters early on, and rex was announced after that

But is he talking about main roster or DLC as well ? hmm

EDIT : the past indicates that DLC characters don't have to already exist at the early planning stage ( like Corrin )

 

[Mario9919]

Sakurai in the ENG version also said they haven't started yet, but Sakurai also said they already picked the 5 characters early on, and rex was announced after that

They might make an announcement shortly after the game's release. I'd say about a week or two after.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

They might make an announcement shortly after the game's release. I'd say about a week or two after.

That short? I thought it'd be a month at least.

 

[Mario9919]

That short? I thought it'd be a month at least.

Just estimating. It would be about 2 weeks to a month to get an announcement.

 

[Teeb147]

Nintendo:
"Since we decided which fighters to include when we planned the game, we weren't able to add characters from some games which were announced after planning had started. I hope this outfit will help you feel like you're playing as Rex."
+ ("While Rex didn't quite make the roster...")

"We've yet to create any of the paid DLC [...] but we'll start working on them as soon as we're finished with the main game."

And it seems to be the same in other languages.

It seems to me that it's unclear. Because when they say that he didnt make the roster, they dont say if it's base roster or final roster. It may just be a consolation for the wait, of sorts, or it could mean he wont be in dlc at all. (if the dlc content was planned at the same time)
-It's not precise enough to be sure that someone like rex wouldbe be in at all, and corrin is an example of that being possible at least in smash 4.

As for not having created any paid dlc, again it's unclear too, because it could still mean they decided or planned them but didn't 'work' on creating them much yet. It sounds like they havent done much at all (including planning), but the first part makes it sound like they already decided which ones would be in.


These two parts seem to contradict themselves depending on how they're taken. So I actually don't know what to think of it :O

 

[Wwlink55]

Nintendo:
"Since we decided which fighters to include when we planned the game, we weren't able to add characters from some games which were announced after planning had started. I hope this outfit will help you feel like you're playing as Rex."
+ ("While Rex didn't quite make the roster...")

"We've yet to create any of the paid DLC [...] but we'll start working on them as soon as we're finished with the main game."

And it seems to be the same in other languages.

It seems to me that it's unclear. Because when they say that he didnt make the roster, they dont say if it's base roster or final roster. It may just be a consolation for the wait, of sorts, or it could mean he wont be in dlc at all. (if the dlc content was planned at the same time)
-It's not precise enough to be sure that someone like rex wouldbe be in at all, and corrin is an example of that being possible at least in smash 4.

As for not having created any paid dlc, again it's unclear too, because it could still mean they decided or planned them but didn't 'work' on creating them much yet. It sounds like they havent done much at all (including planning), but the first part makes it sound like they already decided which ones would be in.


These two parts seem to contradict themselves depending on how they're taken. So I actually don't know what to think of it :O

I think there are three(ish) possibilities.

1: Sakurai and his team are good game devs who focus on the base game before any DLC content, and let people know their intentions to release DLC post-release

2: They had a few fighters planned, but decided to leave them out for DLC due to time restraints or development difficulties

3: They had plans for DLC, but no specific fighters planned. They will begin considering characters after the game is released.

 

[Mario9919]

I think there are three(ish) possibilities.

1: Sakurai and his team are good game devs who focus on the base game before any DLC content, and let people know their intentions to release DLC post-release

2: They had a few fighters planned, but decided to leave them out for DLC due to time restraints or development difficulties

3: They had plans for DLC, but no specific fighters planned. They will begin considering characters after the game is released.

They must of have Shantae planed but was moved to DLC due to time restraints. She must of needed extra time.

 

[meleebrawler]

You guys need to remember, in the games lore, all these spirits were toys to begin with, but their bodys have been lost. It makes sense that some of them would gain their bodys back via dlc. I think it would be quite touching to see a spirit gain its body back and become a fighter. Thats all these spirits want to do. heck, what if almost all the DLC characters are already spirits in the game?

And since they are toys, who's to say there cannot be duplicates along with their spirits?

So now I'm gonna list my Shantae spirit/fighter combos I promised earlier today:

Sky: Yoshi, uses up special a lot along with Poke Balls that summon bird-like Pokemon
Bolo: Someone beat me to this, but yeah. Richter who trips a lot and is stunned by female assists.
Rottytops: Ridley. Uses forward tilt a lot. Stamina battle, but Ridley revives if not pushed offstage quickly, and speed is increased.
Risky Boots: Wolf. Uses his specials more, also has a Killing Edge.
Techno Baron: King K. Rool. He is tiny and flees from battle, but is accompanied by a giant Palutena.
Ammo Baron: Bowser. Has an infinitely spawning team of small Bowsers, all have permanent jetpacks. The main one just hovers behind his team while they attack.
Squid Baron: King Dedede. Alternates between using up special and dash attack. Food spawns periodically
Holly: Pokemon Trainer (Leaf). Uses a giant Ivysaur. Explosive items only.
Dagron: Ridley (again). Giant and jumps high in the air before descending to attack, then flies up again.
Warrior guy: Simon. Black silhouette and giant, but only uses moves involving punches and kicks.

 

[Wwlink55]

They must of have Shantae planed but was moved to DLC due to time restraints. She must of needed extra time.

While I can't guarantee that being the reasoning, it could also be a case of it being simply easier for smaller or lesser-known characters getting in as DLC, as base roster is often what is aimed to sell the game (so they are going to try to put characters in to encourage people to buy. Looking at all the newcomers we got, almost all of them are either fan favorites for a long time, or major names in the gaming industry. Animal Crossing, Castlevania, Pokemon, Street Fighter, etc.

 

[Makai Wars]

The Verge leak of the Granblue character makes perfect sense. Two of the 7 DLC characters for Smash 4 were promotional (unless you believe Bayo really won the ballot), combined with the fact that Nintendo has been worming their way into the mobile market with FE:H and DL, a GBF character almost feels inevitable. Mobages are disgustingly massive in Japan, and GBF characters can easily fit into Dragalia Lost, combined with the fact that Sakurai clearly has no issue giving up fighter slots for promotional purposes everything comes together to create an extremely disappointing roster pick which was exactly what I suspected, only I thought it would be Fire Emblem again.

I don't know you guys, this combined with PP on top of Wayforward seeming to accept the sticker is as far as Shantae goes does not make me feel good about her being DLC, even IF Sprits =/= deconfirmation.

 

[MajestyIndigo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un44CDKDqIY

Chrom is playable and is STILL in Robin's Final Smash ? wtf...

Every logical outcome we can come up with ends up being false anyway ...
And it's pretty lazy
Again, same with with Peach & Daisy's FSs
EDIT : look around 1:57

 

[Wwlink55]

The Verge leak of the Granblue character makes perfect sense. Two of the 7 DLC characters for Smash 4 were promotional (unless you believe Bayo really won the ballot), combined with the fact that Nintendo has been worming their way into the mobile market with FE:H and DL, a GBF character almost feels inevitable. Mobages are disgustingly massive in Japan, and GBF characters can easily fit into Dragalia Lost, combined with the fact that Sakurai clearly has no issue giving up fighter slots for promotional purposes everything comes together to create an extremely disappointing roster pick which was exactly what I suspected, only I thought it would be Fire Emblem again.

I don't know you guys, this combined with PP on top of Wayforward seeming to accept the sticker is as far as Shantae goes does not make me feel good about her being DLC, even IF Sprits =/= deconfirmation.

I wouldn't take Verge's word for it. For the most part, it seemed like a lot of his information came from early development, and even then there hasnt been any work put into these DLC characters to confirm anything.

Also, appealing to the mobile market is awfully weird. While Nintendo did recently work with the people who made Granblue recently for Dragalia Lost, I don't think that implies they'll add a character based on a mobile game. Not only that, but it honestly sounds like they'd be more focused on fan requests over random characters, especially if they are trying to encourage people to buy DLC (or essentially pre-order it with the Fighter Pass).

Knowing Sakurai, he is at least mostly in-tune with what fans want, and I doubt he would want to ask for an up-front payment before any DLC is announced if it was going to be characters people were not interested in. This is Sakurai, not EA.

 

[Teeb147]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un44CDKDqIY

Chrom is playable and is STILL in Robin's Final Smash ? wtf...

Every logical outcome we can come up with ends up being false anyway ...
And it's pretty lazy
Again, same with with Peach & Daisy's FSs
EDIT : look around 1:57

Maybe it's another character, , because the video's so bad quality it's hard to make out. And it wouldnt make sense if it's chrom. if it is, yeah that's weird lol

 

[Wwlink55]

Maybe it's another character, , because the video's so bad quality it's hard to make out. And it wouldnt make sense if it's chrom. if it is, yeah that's weird lol

Maybe it hides Chrom, or possibly replaces them if they are already in the battle, such as the conductor changing if Toon Link is on the Spirit Train stage?

 

[MajestyIndigo]

Maybe it's another character, , because the video's so bad quality it's hard to make out. And it wouldnt make sense if it's chrom. if it is, yeah that's weird lol

I know Fire Emblem awakening very well, and this is Chrom without a doubt.

 

[Makai Wars]

I wouldn't take Verge's word for it. For the most part, it seemed like a lot of his information came from early development, and even then there hasnt been any work put into these DLC characters to confirm anything.

Also, appealing to the mobile market is awfully weird. While Nintendo did recently work with the people who made Granblue recently for Dragalia Lost, I don't think that implies they'll add a character based on a mobile game. Not only that, but it honestly sounds like they'd be more focused on fan requests over random characters, especially if they are trying to encourage people to buy DLC (or essentially pre-order it with the Fighter Pass).

Knowing Sakurai, he is at least mostly in-tune with what fans want, and I doubt he would want to ask for an up-front payment before any DLC is announced if it was going to be characters people were not interested in. This is Sakurai, not EA.

As much as I would like to have faith, this is the same developer that confined Isaac to being an Assist Trophy and gave us a Piranha Plant instead. While the Smash fanbase has grown to accept PP the fact is Sakurai saw fan requests and chose to veer in a wildly different direction. After Smash 4 I simply do not have enough trust to believe Sakurai/Nintendo would drop the chance to make money off of the mobile market since that's exactly what Pokemon Let's Go is.

 

[Teeb147]

Maybe it hides Chrom, or possibly replaces them if they are already in the battle, such as the conductor changing if Toon Link is on the Spirit Train stage?

I know Fire Emblem awakening very well, and this is Chrom without a doubt.
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I mean, both of those scenarios would be really weird. Maybe it's still the case, but I need to see a higher quality video. Let's talk again once there's more footage available ;P

 

[meleebrawler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un44CDKDqIY

Chrom is playable and is STILL in Robin's Final Smash ? wtf...

Every logical outcome we can come up with ends up being false anyway ...
And it's pretty lazy
Again, same with with Peach & Daisy's FSs
EDIT : look around 1:57

This is a game where multiple players can already pick the same character in the same place, and only NOW it doesn't make sense that there's multiple Chroms?

 

[Teeb147]

This is a game where multiple players can already pick the same character in the same place, and only NOW it doesn't make sense that there's multiple Chroms?

Well part of it is that we assumed characters in final smashes meant they couldnt be fighters. Heck if it's actually chrom then maybe my Kumatora actually still has a shot for dlc! (jk, but still would like her).

It's just really odd tho, even if we can have multiple copies of fighters.