Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[DoctorFate]

So, some fun pics I've seen floating around:

 

[EarlTamm]

Morning everyone. How how we today?

Decent, how are you?

 

[zferolie]

So, some fun pics I've seen floating around:
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Cute, and don't forget the one posted at the bottom of last page

シャンティのスピリットを獲得したサムスさん pic.twitter.com/uPlzcoD3kO

— わたりどりぃ🍁C105 1日目 東2 V-08b (@Wata_Ridley) November 2, 2018

Morning everyone. How how we today?

Going ok. Took a sick day since feeling a bit under the weather, but still have to run reports from home. Luckily almost done with them

 

[M00NFIRE94]

That is a good point, and I think its what sakurai is going for. You basically ARE fighting those spirits, you just use your imagination a bit. Look at Shantae's match. ZSS in her two piece outfit, has a ponytail, the items are transformation based, has a gun and using a scymitar like for Pirates curse, and on a tropical pirate ship stage. Its all shantae. That is showing Sakurai put a lot of effort into making that fight feel like your are fighting Shantae. Now... if the music on the stage is also Shantae's, or taken to sound like music from the game, thats even better.

Does this mean she can't become playable? No. Assist trophies I think are stuck there due to their important as an item, but I can really see Sakurai saying a spirit could manifist back as a fighter, as all these spirits were actual full bodied people before they got b;asted by the light. Maybe a Shantae reveal trailer shows her being released, but then appears in a 3d model all happy and giddy to be a fighter.

Huh. You know a lot of information has been dumped into that Direct, it's hard to keep up with everything. I didn't know about the fighters bearing such close resemblance to the spirits that possess them. I knew there were gonna be stat boosts depending on the spirit but those other things sound pretty cool. I always admire a fighting game doing what it can when it can't get everybody so it improvises. Like how in Dragonball FighterZ, Android 18 has her brother as part of her moveset when he wasn't playable at the time before he became DLC. With any luck, this'll be similar with Shantae.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

I don't get why people think its an insult to be an AT or a spirit. Your series has enough recognition to be included, thats a huge honor. I get playing as your character is better, but don't get mad otherwise.

That is a good point, and I think its what sakurai is going for. You basically ARE fighting those spirits, you just use your imagination a bit. Look at Shantae's match. ZSS in her two piece outfit, has a ponytail, the items are transformation based, has a gun and using a scymitar like for Pirates curse, and on a tropical pirate ship stage. Its all shantae. That is showing Sakurai put a lot of effort into making that fight feel like your are fighting Shantae. Now... if the music on the stage is also Shantae's, or taken to sound like music from the game, thats even better.

Does this mean she can't become playable? No. Assist trophies I think are stuck there due to their important as an item, but I can really see Sakurai saying a spirit could manifist back as a fighter, as all these spirits were actual full bodied people before they got b;asted by the light. Maybe a Shantae reveal trailer shows her being released, but then appears in a 3d model all happy and giddy to be a fighter.

^This

Glad to see someone gets it. : 3

 

[Shinuto]

I like that Shantae is an Ace tier spirit.


B or A tier Smash character confirmed for her eventual reveal.

 

[zferolie]

Here are some more Shantae for smash art I found amusing, plus a great risky Boots one.

And then everyone died.#SuperSmashBrosUltimateDirect #shantae #Shantae4Smash #NintendoDirect pic.twitter.com/rWy4SCKy91

— Aj the doodle guy (@Ajsdoodles) November 1, 2018

So this is basically what happened #SmashUltimate #Shantae pic.twitter.com/Sh89fcBgat

— ⭐🌵 (@dessxericas) November 1, 2018

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Huh. You know a lot of information has been dumped into that Direct, it's hard to keep up with everything. I didn't know about the fighters bearing such close resemblance to the spirits that possess them. I knew there were gonna be stat boosts depending on the spirit but those other things sound pretty cool. I always admire a fighting game doing what it can when it can't get everybody so it improvises. Like how in Dragonball FighterZ, Android 18 has her brother as part of her moveset when he wasn't playable at the time before he became DLC. With any luck, this'll be similar with Shantae.

Yeah thats what I am hoping for for Shantae and 1st party nintendo characters that are spirits, like Donbe and Hikari, Mach Rider, and other retro reps.

^This

Glad to see someone gets it. : 3

People got their hopes too raised by the grinch leak. Hope we can find out who made that and be annoyed at them... also I really want to see the actual renders they used. Those were well done

I like that Shantae is an Ace tier spirit.


B or A tier Smash character confirmed for her eventual reveal.

Oh yeah she is an Ace level. Nice.

 

[Shinuto]

So imagine Shantae with Shantae spirit. DOUBLE SHANTAE!

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Anyway, guys I may be taking a break from the thread for a while. I'm not giving up on our girl and a sticker doesn't mean deconfirmation, but my personal life has been taking a heavy toll on me right now.

If any of you still want to chat, i will be checking my private messages, but for now I'm gonna tray and stay off of the thread unless something big happens.

Morning everyone. How how we today?

Alright enough...

You?

 

[Shadowknight1]

zferolie That's cool! The Slime Gal is such a cute enemy!

 

[logicandreason]

Alright enough...

You?

Stuck in class for an hour but other than that im good. the ache from yesterday is gone ans has been replaced with blissful hope

 

[TMNTSSB4]

if Shantae is only a Spirit character, it’s still amazing how her and Shovel Knight even managed to make an appearance in Smash Bros (shows a lot about their popularity in the indie scene)

 

[Shinuto]

Imagine the butthurt from people are now saying SHantae was basically deconfirmed here and then she gets revealed, somehow I think thats even bettter in the long run then her having been confirmed here.

 

[Hollywoodrok12]

Imagine the butthurt from people are now saying SHantae was basically deconfirmed here and then she gets revealed, somehow I think thats even bettter in the long run then her having been confirmed here.

I would be the complete opposite of butthurt. That's what happens when you're a pessimist: When you're right, you can say that you told 'em so, and when you're wrong, you're glad you're wrong.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Because that artwork is wrong while most(though Mimikyu but he is an Assist Trophy and which ever person finds the Geno one) have their proper official artwork.
You do know that Sakurai is all about the small details. So missing something THAT obvious should be sending warning sounds in your brain.

I mean.....it technically still is the official artwork, just reversed. WHat detail is there to it that Sakurai would be so big on??? It likely just looks better that way.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

With how easy it is to implement spirits, I hope this mechanic opens up the door for a lot of other indies to get represented.

Cave Story, Touhou, Skullgirls, Fate...

 

[Dukefire]

With how easy it is to implement spirits, I hope this mechanic opens up the door for a lot of other indies to get represented.

Cave Story, Touhou, Skullgirls, Fate...

Sadly, there is only room for 5 characters

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Sadly, there is only room for 5 characters

I was talking about spirits in base. :/

I don't think we've seen them all...

 

[zferolie]

I agree Dyllybirdy its possible more indie characters could be spirits in the game, but no way to till till we see ALL the spirits

 

[EarlTamm]

I agree Dyllybirdy its possible more indie characters could be spirits in the game, but no way to till till we see ALL the spirits

If there is more, I think it says something about Shantaes importance that she was the only one shown in such a big trailer.

 

[Shinuto]

It'll really say something if Shantae Shovel Knight are the indies in Smash with only this level of representation.

 

[GoldLiger]

I mean.....it technically still is the official artwork, just reversed. WHat detail is there to it that Sakurai would be so big on??? It likely just looks better that way.

It's not the proper artwork. Sakurai went out of their way to use official artwork for the spirits yet somehow missed the obvious mistake with Shantae's when all you had to do is a google search and you can find it easily.

It'll really say something if Shantae Shovel Knight are the indies in Smash with only this level of representation.

I have yet to hear from Matt and WayForward about that artwork mistake. NDA should not prevent them from discussing what Nintendo already shown us.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

It's not the proper artwork. Sakurai went out of their way to use official artwork for the spirits yet somehow missed the obvious mistake with Shantae's when all you had to do is a google search and you can find it easily.

What's the "obvious mistake"? That it's reversed?

 

[GoldLiger]

What's the "obvious mistake"? That it's reversed?

Of course. This isn't a MUGEN that stuff like that can be easily ignored. This is an OFFICIAL CROSSOVER FIGHTING GAME FROM NINTENDO.

It's not that hard to find the official artwork since it's not even 3 years old. Heck the Xenoblade 1 artwork is spot on and it is older than Shantae's HGH artwork.

Like I stated before neither WayForward or Matt Bozon wants to answer the question about this error.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Of course. This isn't a MUGEN that stuff like that can be easily ignored. This is an OFFICIAL CROSSOVER FIGHTING GAME FROM NINTENDO.

It's not that hard to find the official artwork since it's not even 3 years old. Heck the Xenoblade 1 artwork is spot on and it is older than Shantae's HGH artwork.

Like I stated before neither WayForward or Matt Bozon wants to answer the question about this error.

Well, maybe.
Though I still wonder why they would choose a reversed artwork of all things as a hint, if that were the case.

Seems a little...

 

[Deleted member]

You guys might be reading in to the flipped image a bit too much. Its just offical art mirrored. Nothing too crazy there.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Of course. This isn't a MUGEN that stuff like that can be easily ignored. This is an OFFICIAL CROSSOVER FIGHTING GAME FROM NINTENDO.

Uhhhh, look man, SHantae is my absolute, 2nd/3rd most wanted, and I don't think that Spirits deconfirm......but a PNG being reversed? This ain't it chief.

Like you've said, others have been reversed too. I think it's easier to suggest that it works better for them from that angle. Also, that is National Treasure levels of cryptic.

Like I stated before neither WayForward or Matt Bozon wants to answer the question about this error.

You've asked them?

 

[zferolie]

You guys might be reading in to the flipped image a bit too much. Its just offical art mirrored. Nothing too crazy there.

Yeah... i love tinfoil hat theories, but even I find this a bit much haha

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

You guys might be reading in to the flipped image a bit too much. Its just offical art mirrored. Nothing too crazy there.

Don't look at me.

I said it was...

 

[EarlTamm]

You guys might be reading in to the flipped image a bit too much. Its just offical art mirrored. Nothing too crazy there.

I think it's only one or two people.

 

[meleebrawler]

So, some fun pics I've seen floating around:
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This spirit thing is honestly looking like the best, or at least funniest thing ever. The possibilities for shenanigans are endless. Later I'll post my ideas for Shantae spirit/fighter combos, but for now... wouldn't it be nice if the theoretical reveal had her thanking/apologizing to Samus for crashing in her body for a bit?

 

[Dukefire]

This spirit thing is honestly looking like the best, or at least funniest thing ever. The possibilities for shenanigans are endless. Later I'll post my ideas for Shantae spirit/fighter combos, but for now... wouldn't it be nice if the theoretical reveal had her thanking/apologizing to Samus for crashing in her body for a bit?

The body she is possessing is actually a duplicate from the original.

 

[zferolie]

I am feeling that, if some of the spirits will be future DLC, like Shantae, I can see the trailer starting with an unknown spirit being sent back to the real world, but then a light flashes, and the spirit in question gains back its lost toy body, and we see who it is, like Shantae

 

[Shinuto]

The body she is possessing is actually a duplicate from the original.

Yeah but **** that, that's not nearly funny enough.

 

[EarlTamm]

So, out of curiosity, what is the damage report for some of the other speculation threads?

 

[Teeb147]

Hi. How're people feeling about things today then?
I'm a bit calmer but can still feel some frustration and more.
Liking that we're seeing gameplay come out tho

That's a problem for the fans, not for WayForward or Matt Bozon.

There is a general disconnect between the fans and Sakurai/WayForward.
Most fans only want a playable character and see anything less as a mockery for their beloved character.
Look at how many people get angry about Assist Trophies and Trophies/Spirits today still, thinking Sakurai is doing this to insult them.


However, I have discussed Sakurai's intentions about Assist Trophies many times already.
And I repeat it once more:
Sakurai sees Assist Trophies as valuable assets and worthly representations of the characters, they just couldn't be realized as fighters.
Same for most Spirits...
In fact, the point of Spirits is to make characters from all over the video game multiverse, actual characters in the game, without having to spend tons of resources and time for them.
There is a reason the Spirit is at the center of the screen in a Spirit Battle and not the used character to represent him.
For example: In the Hal Emmerich fight, you're actually fighting Hal Emmerich, who uses Dr. Mario as his body, since he lost his actual body.

Sakurai even used the word "imagination" a couple times in the Direct.
Something that lots of people are sadly lacking. They expect the proper images to always be on screen, instead of using their mind to fill the blanks.


As for WayForward: Of course, they're gonna thank Nintendo for anything they can get in this game.
What do you expect?!
They're a small company of Nintendo fans. So any representation they can get at all in this game, is a massive honor to them.
And they see Assist Trophies and Spirits the same way as Sakurai does.
Frankly, both Sakurai and the WayForward people are artists.
They know how much effort and time it takes to make content for a video game.

Sadly, the fans don't.


So yeah, most fans will never see things the same way as the artists and devs do.
Nor will they even try to understand the artists/devs.
Which is a shame...


But yeah, the fans are the problem here. Not Sakurai or WayForward.

Uh. Nevermind the fans for now.. All I was saying is that I'm worried about WF's attitude because of the proportion of the reaction. If she's in as a fighter, how would they react then? Does how they reacted to the spirit make sense for if they know that she's being developped as dlc too? Are they still under an nda about it and that's why they're not responding directly to the questions, or is it something else?

I'm just concerned and questioning. I understand that you're upset about fans' attitudes too, but it doesnt need to be part of this.
Anyway. Maybe a bit of time will tell..

 

[zferolie]

So, out of curiosity, what is the damage report for some of the other speculation threads?

Isaac thread is pretty depressed for sure, as would be Shadow and Black Shadow. I assume Skull kid is pretty bummed.

At first anyone shown as spirits had a lot of sadness, but after time people realized we can't assume being a spirit deconfirms you as why would Sakurai tie his hands like that, and basically only leave third parties. So i feel people are a lot more cherrful today

Hi. How're people feeling about things today then?
I'm a bit calmer but can still feel some frustration and more.
Liking that we're seeing gameplay come out tho



Uh. Nevermind the fans for now.. All I was saying is that I'm worried about WF's attitude because of the proportion of the reaction. If she's in as a fighter, how would they react then? Does how they reacted to the spirit make sense for if they know that she's being developped as dlc too? Are they still under an nda about it and that's why they're not responding directly to the questions, or is it something else?

I'm just concerned and questioning. I understand that you're upset about fans' attitudes too, but it doesnt need to be part of this.
Anyway. Maybe a bit of time will tell..

Best to ignore the crazy angry fans. they don't represent most of any fanbase. They either don't understand what sakurai is doing, or super entitled

 

[Teeb147]

I like that Shantae is an Ace tier spirit.


B or A tier Smash character confirmed for her eventual reveal.

Im not sure like that there's any tiers. It wouldve been cool if they all each had different strengths, so that any can be viable at any time.
Though I guess it's like that for the support abilities,, but I still think they could've done it a bit differently. Like that any spirit can be any tier (with luck?) or or you can simply level them up to get them stronger (which is the case anyway). So the tiers dont seem necessary. dunno. but it doesnt overshadow all of it, and I'm sure it'll be fun.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

So, out of curiosity, what is the damage report for some of the other speculation threads?

Issac thread got sunk bad. Can't fault them for being depressed.

Skull Kid thread was hopeful, but then got their hopes sniped.

Shadow thread seem battered and tired.

The Phoenix Wright thread has seen a positive uplift in activity and hope though.

 

[GoldLiger]

Well, maybe.
Though I still wonder why they would choose a reversed artwork of all things as a hint, if that were the case.

Seems a little...

Remind me again how PacMan was first hinted at in Smash 4?

Uhhhh, look man, SHantae is my absolute, 2nd/3rd most wanted, and I don't think that Spirits deconfirm......but a PNG being reversed? This ain't it chief.

Like you've said, others have been reversed too. I think it's easier to suggest that it works better for them from that angle. Also, that is National Treasure levels of cryptic.

You've asked them?

Again how was Pacman first discovered?

You guys might be reading in to the flipped image a bit too much. Its just offical art mirrored. Nothing too crazy there.

Mistakes like that doesn't happened in an official work to the point where the creators themselves do not want to acknowledge said mistake. If they had come out and stated "It's just a small thing, nothing to worry about." I wouldn't be taking this as such a hint. I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai did this knowing people would not take it seriously. Especially after the amount of obscure things he did for putting hints in trailers. This is basically "Majora's Mask 3D hinted at in A Link Between Worlds" type of thing.

Like I said so long as WayForward keeps silence about the error in THEIR LICENSED PRODUCT ARTWORK then I will continue to push this hint.

#ShantaeForSmashDLC (I added a color Dyllybirdy knows well )