Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Jasae Bushae]

So if Shantae did get in, would we also get an assist trophy from Wayforward?
If so, would it be Risky Boots or would it be another Wayforward mainstay like Patricia Wagon?

 

[Wwlink55]

So if Shantae did get in, would we also get an assist trophy from Wayforward?
If so, would it be Risky Boots or would it be another Wayforward mainstay like Patricia Wagon?

Personally, I think it would be one of her friends, like Rottytops or Sky. Risky would be a far better boss.

 

[Teeb147]

Im not sure what to think when it comes to blog and music theory... I feel like they are above weird patterns like that, especially if we are loud enough to make them aware of it (if such a pattern does exist). I somehow get the feeling that any surprise announcements are going to be made as unpredictable as possible, rather than like clockwork.


I just have an odd feeling of a big surprise around the corner...

It seems to be a mix of both. They do things like clockwork, but have some things changeable or beyond.

I mean, really, we dont know everything. And yes, I think there'll be surprises for sure
Looking to see what will Finally be showed once it all comes out haha.

 

[Jasae Bushae]

Personally, I think it would be one of her friends, like Rottytops or Sky. Risky would be a far better boss.

Oooh, a boss would indeed be nice to see. Im not sure whether id prefer Risky by herself or riding P.O.O.T T.O.O.T

 

[Wademan94]

So if Shantae did get in, would we also get an assist trophy from Wayforward?
If so, would it be Risky Boots or would it be another Wayforward mainstay like Patricia Wagon?

I still wanna see Patty, I think she has the potential to be unique with the block switching mechanic added to her. I think we should talk about what each characters abilities as assists would be just so they aren’t too similar to other assist trophies and feel unnecessary.

 

[Wademan94]

Oooh, a boss would indeed be nice to see. Im not sure whether id prefer Risky by herself or riding P.O.O.T T.O.O.T

I think the Tinkertub from Risky’s Revenge would work better than P.O.O.P. T.O.O.T., it's more mobile and would feel better scaled compared to the rest of the fighters, P.O.O.P. T.O.O.T. is way too massive and doesn't move all that much, really wouldn't be that fun for Smash

Apologizes for the double post, unstable internet on my phone caused me to misclick.

 

[Shadowknight1]

Oooh, a boss would indeed be nice to see. Im not sure whether id prefer Risky by herself or riding P.O.O.T T.O.O.T

Don't call it that!

 

[Jasae Bushae]

I still wanna see Patty, I think she has the potential to be unique with the block switching mechanic added to her. I think we should talk about what each characters abilities as assists would be just so they aren’t too similar to other assist trophies and feel unnecessary.

Pattys would certainly be straight forward to implement. Establishing blocks across the screen and have Patty switching them on and off three or five times over a limited span of time, making them useful as platforms, barriers, or a screen smashing hazard if you don't take care. Possibly a bit overpowered for an assist but it would certainly stand out

 

[Mario9919]

So if Shantae did get in, would we also get an assist trophy from Wayforward?
If so, would it be Risky Boots or would it be another Wayforward mainstay like Patricia Wagon?

I say Sky, Rottytops and Bolo would be part of Shantae's final Smash. And Risky would be a great boss.

So making Patricia Wagon the Assist Trophy would be the best option.

 

[Wademan94]

Pattys would certainly be straight forward to implement. Establishing blocks across the screen and have Patty switching them on and off three or five times over a limited span of time, making them useful as platforms, barriers, or a screen smashing hazard if you don't take care. Possibly a bit overpowered for an assist but it would certainly stand out

Pretty much, but I think it’d be less overpowered if
A. Her helmet gives of a signal and goes off out of her control similar to the last levels of her games
B. Patty could also be damaged and KOed, ESPECIALLY if you get her in the blocks when they switch and Star KO her as well

EDIT: Also just to make things a little easier on the production team, I wouldn’t mind if Patty just had her HD sprites from the Hyper Drive Edition pulled for her assist

 

[Mango The Magician]

I think Risky would function well as a assist, basically have her run and jump around slashing and shooting at people, but she could be a bit more interesting as a boss. Sky could also work as an assist in that she could hit people with Wrench.

 

[meleebrawler]

Oooh, a boss would indeed be nice to see. Im not sure whether id prefer Risky by herself or riding P.O.O.T T.O.O.T

Now see, if you were to fight Risky Boots mano a mano, that would imply she is or is planned to be a playable character.

And I'm all for that!

i wasn't expecting to see something like this but this was spot on. i had the idea to make a youtube video based on the dichotomy between the two and a lot of the theming and writing behind Shantae as a franchise.

Yeah, well, reading into lore is what I do thanks to Metroid Prime. These two are two sides of a coin, and I struggle to see either shining as bright in potential without the other. Having them both playable would perfectly capture the two main forces in Sequin Land (genie magic and piracy), not just for those who prefer a given playstyle but also thematically.

And, this wouldn't preclude Risky from being a boss in a machine of her design either, especially if such a thing was relegated to a single-player. Either way, if you're playing as her when fighting it, all you'd have to do is omit Risky from the machine and explain it as her Tinkerbats going rogue/jumping the gun again.

 

[Makai Wars]

If we're talking ATs, I love the idea of Risky being both the stage boss of Shantae's Scuttle Town map, and also an Assist. She'd appear on her ship in the background and fire cannons and vessels containing Tinkerbats as they jump out and attack enemies. In the Scuttle Town map she'd even destroy terrain like how she busts the bridge in the first few Shantae titles.

 

[meleebrawler]

If we're talking ATs, I love the idea of Risky being both the stage boss of Shantae's Scuttle Town map, and also an Assist. She'd appear on her ship in the background and fire cannons and vessels containing Tinkerbats as they jump out and attack enemies. In the Scuttle Town map she'd even destroy terrain like how she busts the bridge in the first few Shantae titles.

I just...

I don't understand why the argument of Shantae having far too much potential in her moveset to be relegated to an assist cannot also apply to Risky, just because she's seen as less likely for other reasons. Any which way you look at it (Shantae & The Pirate's Curse or Pirate Queen's Quest), she has almost as much of it. It wouldn't be quite as exotic as Shantae's dancing and shape-shifting, but we don't really have a swordswoman with a gun, cannons and henchmen, now do we?

 

[Teeb147]

The Isaac thread's pace has been pretty high. We're not going to catch up to them with that rate

 

[Makai Wars]

I just...

I don't understand why the argument of Shantae having far too much potential in her moveset to be relegated to an assist cannot also apply to Risky, just because she's seen as less likely for other reasons. Any which way you look at it (Shantae & The Pirate's Curse or Pirate Queen's Quest), she has almost as much of it. It wouldn't be quite as exotic as Shantae's dancing and shape-shifting, but we don't really have a swordswoman with a gun, cannons and henchmen, now do we?

Risky would make such an easy fighter, goodness.
Up B- Cannon Jump
Neutral B- Flintlock Pistol (can select seekers, scattershot and regular bullets like in HGH's Risky mode)
Side B- Scimitar charge (that dash Shantae does in PC)
Down B- Tinkerbat summon
Mix that up with things like her hat as a uair, various kicking, sword and gun moves and bam you have a character ripe for Smash. If Shantae gets in I'd love to rally for Risky next because she'd be a painfully easy addition and the two of them rep Shantae as a franchise perfectly, but let's not get ahead of ourselves!

The Isaac thread's pace has been pretty high. We're not going to catch up to them again

Yeah they're probably riding the high of both being in the leak and having whatever that sprout item is. Regardless of whether the Grinch leak is real or not, Isaac is looking like a safe bet. Wish we could say the same :')

Actually now that I think about it, if we could have a single item from the Shantae games, what would it be? I say it should be the Pike Ball. Basically Mega Man's Leaf Shield minus the ability to be thrown.

 

[Wademan94]

I just...

I don't understand why the argument of Shantae having far too much potential in her moveset to be relegated to an assist cannot also apply to Risky, just because she's seen as less likely for other reasons. Any which way you look at it (Shantae & The Pirate's Curse or Pirate Queen's Quest), she has almost as much of it. It wouldn't be quite as exotic as Shantae's dancing and shape-shifting, but we don't really have a swordswoman with a gun, cannons and henchmen, now do we?

I mean you’re not wrong about Risky having some moveset potential and she’d be the best choice for a second rep if Sakurai thinks she’s worthy. Until we see a second UNIQUE third party rep from another franchise cause I doubt Shantae would be the first all things considered, for now I think it’s best we worry about our main girl and title character to make the cut.

Actually now that I think about it, if we could have a single item from the Shantae games, what would it be? I say it should be the Pike Ball. Basically Mega Man's Leaf Shield minus the ability to be thrown.

Yeah I think that would work, I was also thinking the Monster Milk™ as a strength boosting item

 

[Teeb147]

Hey guys Spooky Mystic just posted something very interesting:

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[hassoutobi]

I just...

I don't understand why the argument of Shantae having far too much potential in her moveset to be relegated to an assist cannot also apply to Risky, just because she's seen as less likely for other reasons. Any which way you look at it (Shantae & The Pirate's Curse or Pirate Queen's Quest), she has almost as much of it. It wouldn't be quite as exotic as Shantae's dancing and shape-shifting, but we don't really have a swordswoman with a gun, cannons and henchmen, now do we?

you make a good point. i can imagine Risky's entire moveset as i write this, especially in light of her playable appearance in half-genie hero's "pirate queen's quest" expansion. i always joked that if they went for a pirate's curse style with Shantae (even though that's not ideal or likely), that Risky would be an easy echo fighter.

 

[Makai Wars]

Hey guys Spooky Mystic just posted something very interesting:

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Who's this? Anyway this is kind of a nothing post, he might as well be guessing. Until I see non blurry video evidence I won't believe any leak nor """insiders""".

 

[Teeb147]

Who's this? Anyway this is kind of a nothing post, he might as well be guessing. Until I see non blurry video evidence I won't believe any leak nor """insiders""".

He's a writer/translator working in the game industry. Also a reporter in some cases, i guess.

Him lying would look bad for him and his job. Not to say he couldn't be wrong, but he's doing his best from the multiple sources he's got.
I like some of what he's been saying up to now, but of course I'm always skeptical.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I mean you’re not wrong about Risky having some moveset potential and she’d be the best choice for a second rep if Sakurai thinks she’s worthy. Until we see a second UNIQUE third party rep from another franchise cause I doubt Shantae would be the first all things considered, for now I think it’s best we worry about our main girl and title character to make the cut.

If we ever get a 2nd character from a 3rd party series that's already represented in the roster, it will be Tails from the Sonic the Hedgehog series. Tails is the 2nd most iconic co-protagonist in gaming after Luigi, so he would be the most logical choice for the character to break that barrier.

 

[Parallel_Falchion]

Hey guys Spooky Mystic just posted something very interesting:

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A lot of people are saying stuff like this. Apparent "insiders" who can claim it's wrong in one way or another.

They need to share their proof or shut the **** up.

 

[Wademan94]

If we ever get a 2nd character from a 3rd party series that's already represented in the roster, it will be Tails from the Sonic the Hedgehog series. Tails is the 2nd most iconic co-protagonist in gaming after Luigi, so he would be the most logical choice for the character to break that barrier.

Id say either him or Shadow would be the 2nd unique rep from Sonic provided the latter isn’t already an echo. The only other potentially unique 2nd rep from existing third parties I could see are Chun-Li or either Sephiroth or Terra/Kefka

 

[Teeb147]

A lot of people are saying stuff like this. Apparent "insiders" who can claim it's wrong in one way or another.

They need to share their proof or shut the **** up.

They can't reveal their sources. It's not like it matters too much though, reveals will come in not too long and we'll see for sure.
I will say that from what I saw this person is a lot more respectable than the other ones so far.
And he's not saying that there are few characters, just that the banner leak happened to get a few of them right, and even convinced him at first. (but was informed otherwise)

 

[Wwlink55]

Hey guys Spooky Mystic just posted something very interesting:

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D-Does this mean the Shantae Hypetrain is a go again?

CHUGGAH CHUGGAH CHOO CHOO!

 

[Teeb147]

D-Does this mean the Shantae Hypetrain is a go again?

CHUGGAH CHUGGAH CHOO CHOO!

It's a bit more open anyway. He also said there is going to be DLC. So yeah, I'd say either way I prefer his info to others.
(even if we should always take claims with grains of salt too)

 

[NukeA6]

They can't reveal their sources.

That's becoming a really dumb excuse. They're already risking if they were leakers at all. But of course, the so-called insiders are nothing but attention whores who can't let go of Incineroar. I'll accept the Grinch leak as truth over their BS.

 

[Mango The Magician]

Off-topic, but I just finished Pirate Queens Quest...and I did not like that ending. Like yeesh, even if it's just Risky's fan fiction, that's still kinda messed up.

 

[Wwlink55]

That's becoming a really dumb excuse. They're already risking if they were leakers at all. But of course, the so-called insiders are nothing but attention whores who can't let go of Incineroar. I'll accept the Grinch leak as truth over their BS.

I mean, its a reasonable excuse, but the problem is that it can either be a true statement, or an outright lie, and there's no way to prove it one way or another.

Cant reveal their sources due to NDA and career issues, but its also an easy excuse for hacks.

 

[Shadowknight1]

Id say either him or Shadow would be the 2nd unique rep from Sonic provided the latter isn’t already an echo. The only other potentially unique 2nd rep from existing third parties I could see are Chun-Li or either Sephiroth or Terra/Kefka

Chun-Li is the superior Street Fighter rep, IMO. And Terra would be amazing.

 

[Teeb147]

That's becoming a really dumb excuse. They're already risking if they were leakers at all. But of course, the so-called insiders are nothing but attention whores who can't let go of Incineroar. I'll accept the Grinch leak as truth over their BS.

He did say quite a few things about being apprehensive of sharing the info, and already had trouble with a few things.
He's being careful not to say stuff that would denounce his sources. for good reasons (tho yes things like that can be excuses too)

But, everyone can side with what they want. Ideally still having good talks and not just arguing with each other or worse

 

[Wwlink55]

Chun-Li is the superior Street Fighter rep, IMO. And Terra would be amazing.

I agree with Chun-Li as a Street Fighter rep, but only if you pronounce it as "Sakura". ;p

 

[Wademan94]

Chun-Li is the superior Street Fighter rep, IMO. And Terra would be amazing.

I mean I can see Ken being an echo of Ryu and Chin-Li being more unique/semi-clone like Isabelle.

I’m also having trouble deciding if I want Terra or Kefka more.

 

[Deleted member]

Hey guys Spooky Mystic just posted something very interesting:

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Yeeeeaaaahhhhh....no I’m not listening to vergeben #2 TEAM REAL 4EVAH!!!!!

 

[NukeA6]

I mean, its a reasonable excuse, but the problem is that it can either be a true statement, or an outright lie, and there's no way to prove it one way or another.

Cant reveal their sources due to NDA and career issues, but its also an easy excuse for hacks.

He did say quite a few things about being apprehensive of sharing the info, and already had trouble with a few things.
He's being careful not to say stuff that would denounce his sources. for good reasons (tho yes things like that can be excuses too)

But, everyone can side with what they want. Ideally having good talks and not just arguing with each other or worse

There's already trouble in the Smash community by just the Kenincineroar leaks alone so really, whoever's career at risk is well-deserved and should be denouced. Leaks have caused trouble in the gaming industry since Half-Life 2 and if they want to play for attention, that's their own fault.

 

[Inoj]

I agree with Chun-Li as a Street Fighter rep, but only if you pronounce it as "Sakura". ;p

That's a funny way of spelling "Elena"

 

[Wademan94]

That's a funny way of spelling "Elena"

Wait, who?

 

[Shadowknight1]

I agree with Chun-Li as a Street Fighter rep, but only if you pronounce it as "Sakura". ;p

Sorry, but no. I know this is a dumb reason to dislike a character, but when I was at an anime convention and was going through the gaming room, they were playing Street Fighter IV(?) and someone was playing Sakura and was SPAMMING Hadoken. So yeah, when I hear that high pitched voice saying "HADOKEN HADOKEN HADOKEN HADOKEN HADOKEN HADOKEN HADOKEN!" over and over and over, I tend to say "**** that character forever."

 

[Teeb147]

There's already trouble in the Smash community by just the Kenincineroar leaks alone so really, whoever's career at risk is well-deserved and should be denouced. Leaks have caused trouble in the gaming industry since Half-Life 2 and if they want to play for attention, that's their own fault.

True, ideally there wouldn't be leaks at all.
But since so many people have been duped by some, I dont mind when other ones challenge those, if it can create a bit more conversation and openness to other possibilities.

At this point I dont care too much if incineroar is in or not, especially if there's a good number of characters.
Not to say I believe he's in, since I dont. Could still be tho.