Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Dyllybirdy]

on top of that, someone else pointed out that snake was absent from PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale for this very reason.

It was GoldLiger that pointed that out lol.

 

[hassoutobi]

It was GoldLiger that pointed that out lol.

oh, i didn't know they were on here. that's humorous...

my mistake.

 

[EarlTamm]

I think what also helps the point of the NCC come across better is how you phrase it. That pic Billy looked at went into very little detail, and on it's own, I can understand how it does little to convince. It's when you look at each indie fighting game individually and how there relationship with Shantae is in sheer contrast of Shovel Knight, that's when you can really see the possibility.

 

[GoldLiger]

on the NCC topic, someone made an argument in the comments that i agree with: "I disagree with you on the fighting game exclusivity thing. It would make perfect sense. And if Rayman is in the game, it wouldn't matter if he's in Brawlhalla since that is owned by Ubisoft. The same logic works for Ryu. I can't recall any fighting games that included Smash fighters that released within a similar time as their appearance in Smash. (Except in ones that are owned by the same company that owns the character). Basically, there's no examples of a Smash fighter appearing in another company's fighting game. So the lack of Shantae in Indie fighters could be a result of Smash exclusivity."

on top of that, someone else pointed out that snake was absent from PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale for this very reason.

I think it was my comment on that conspiracy video since I knew an example of a character not be able to be in a Smash Clone type game(PSAS) due to an NCC.

EDIT: Ah, it seems I was 'd lol.

 

[Hollywoodrok12]

@Connorb0t2 Stephano Added the Reused Voice Line Theory.

on the NCC topic, someone made an argument in the comments that i agree with: "I disagree with you on the fighting game exclusivity thing. It would make perfect sense. And if Rayman is in the game, it wouldn't matter if he's in Brawlhalla since that is owned by Ubisoft. The same logic works for Ryu. I can't recall any fighting games that included Smash fighters that released within a similar time as their appearance in Smash. (Except in ones that are owned by the same company that owns the character). Basically, there's no examples of a Smash fighter appearing in another company's fighting game. So the lack of Shantae in Indie fighters could be a result of Smash exclusivity."

on top of that, someone else pointed out that snake was absent from PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale for this very reason.

I think it was my comment on that conspiracy video since I knew an example of a character not be able to be in a Smash Clone type game(PSAS) due to an NCC.

EDIT: Ah, it seems I was 'd lol.

And it's not like there wasn't Metal Gear Solid Representation in PSASBR; there was, in the form of Raiden, so that probably had to be the reason why Snake got the boot.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

I think it was my comment on that conspiracy video since I knew an example of a character not be able to be in a Smash Clone type game(PSAS) due to an NCC.

EDIT: Ah, it seems I was 'd lol.

I've always been out of the loop on this, what does it mean to be "greninja'd" based on the meme from smash 4 I assume it has something to do with being picked on for no reason ala "better nerf greninja"

 

[GoldLiger]

Maybe that is why Shantae's announcement was pulled from the Indie Direct was because of Pirate's Curse coming out physically in Japan next week? I would not be surprised if that was the case(same with the announced Echo Fighter Ken from SF).

Also for Billybae10K here is the Shantae Spreadsheet link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UAfRhl4EkZ5Zx4FRNN7QpJzdb2IMBHwXLWQP8rL9ubU/edit#gid=0

It goes into more details than what you covered.

EDIT: "I've always been out of the loop on this, what does it mean to be "greninja'd" based on the meme from smash 4 I assume it has something to do with being picked on for no reason ala "better nerf Greninja""

Basically what it means is the same as being Ninja'd. Basically someone else got to a point you are trying to make before you did.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I've always been out of the loop on this, what does it mean to be "greninja'd" based on the meme from smash 4 I assume it has something to do with being picked on for no reason ala "better nerf greninja"

Being "ninja'd" means:
"When posting on a forum, you submit a post only to find that someone has posted the same thing only seconds earlier."

It's nothing to do with greninja them self, being "ninja'd" is a term used all throughout forums and the like, it's just that, because this is a Smash related website, that term has been turned into "greninja'd" instead.

EDIT: I got 'd explaining the phrase itself. **** you.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

Maybe that is why Shantae's announcement was pulled from the Indie Direct was because of Pirate's Curse coming out physically in Japan next week? I would not be surprised if that was the case(same with the announced Echo Fighter Ken from SF).

Also for Billybae10K here is the Shantae Spreadsheet link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UAfRhl4EkZ5Zx4FRNN7QpJzdb2IMBHwXLWQP8rL9ubU/edit#gid=0

It goes into more details than what you covered.

EDIT: "I've always been out of the loop on this, what does it mean to be "greninja'd" based on the meme from smash 4 I assume it has something to do with being picked on for no reason ala "better nerf Greninja""

Basically what it means is the same as being Ninja'd. Basically someone else got to a point you are trying to make before you did.

Well, thank you for explaining that too me, and congrats on no one 'ing you out of the explanation

 

[GoldLiger]

Well, thank you for explaining that too me, and congrats on no one 'ing you out of the explanation

I just love and I am glad the "Ash-Greninja" transformation is going to be part of it's Final Smash.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I don't think an Indie direct would have had a Smash reveal; it would overshadow all the indies, and could make the indie creators and fans mad that a non-Indie game, a huge one for that matter, get's focus, even if it's for an indie-character reveal.

Plus, if there's only one missing blog from around that time, it wouldn't have been a character reveal; those take up 2-to-3 numbers with the character, trailer, and possibly a memory.

I expect Shantae in some form mainly just from WayForward doing a complete 180 from how vocal they were about Smash, which I believe is enough evidence on its own.

 

[Moderately obsessed]

Agreed man. I'm going to get back to my 1st playthrough of Shantae and the Pirates Curse. I'm really enjoying it so far!

I think replaying Shantae is soooooooo hard. You jump to avoid the naga and you brush the spikes and Shantae gets obliterated. I've seen that game over screen more than I care to admit. Tell me how that goes!

edit: sorry I thought you meant the original Shantae game

 

[GoldLiger]

Hey guys did you see MatPat's video on how Super Smash Bros. Ultimate can never be fully beaten? Check this video out and see the crazy number of combinations Ultimate will have. Heck he does so with the regular Smash Bros and WII U.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I think replaying Shantae is soooooooo hard. You jump to avoid the naga and you brush the spikes and Shantae gets obliterated. I've seen that game over screen more than I care to admit. Tell me how that goes!

Umm, a game over screen, in Pirate's Curse? What?

Hey guys did you see MatPat's video on how Super Smash Bros. Ultimate can never be fully beaten? Check this video out and see the crazy number of combinations Ultimate will have. Heck he does so with the regular Smash Bros and WII U.

Wow, I haven't watched a Game Theory video in ages.

I lost interest in his content a long while back.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

I just love and I am glad the "Ash-Greninja" transformation is going to be part of it's Final Smash.

I love Greninja, but never cared for "ash-greninja" the bigger water shuriken is cool but fur on the side of a Frogs's face doesn't work for me and the red doesn't work well with his color scheme (for me) Plus as a mechanic it just wasn't good enough to over look Protean Greninja.

Anyway do we know it will be in his final smash? Because I think they were only changing Smashes that didn't get to the point fast enough and Greninja's "secret ninja technique" was already a one off move that would then become a cinematic if it connected

 

[hassoutobi]

Wow, I haven't watched a Game Theory video in ages.

I lost interest in his content a long time back.

same, i cant stand watching him any more but his older videos were admittedly well-written and substantive at points.

 

[Moderately obsessed]

Umm, a game over screen, in Pirate's Curse? What?

whoops... I can see my mistake. I thought they wrote Shantae & Pirate's Curse. Like they're playing the first and third game. The orig Shantae is a delightful trainwreck of a game.

 

[hassoutobi]

The orig Shantae is a delightful trainwreck of a game.

shantae 1 was ok for its time

 

[Dyllybirdy]

whoops... I can see my mistake. I thought they wrote Shantae & Pirate's Curse. Like they're playing the first and third game. The orig Shantae is a delightful trainwreck of a game.

Ah, the first Shantae has it's charms.

The humour is there, the world is vibrant, and exciting, bustling with fun characters, with unique, witty dialogue to boot. There's some pretty good dungeon design in there, though actually getting through them can be a challenge, since the camera's so zoomed in on Shantae, due to the small screen size of the GBC.

The graphics are amazing, the best on the GBC bar none. They also represent the end of an era. This game was one of the last that used 8 bit graphics, not for style, but because of the limitations of the hardware.

It's still a good game, and if you haven't played it yet, you should definitely try to pick it up. But, if you really can't stand some of the quirks that come with retro gaming, then maybe it isn't for you.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

Ah, the first Shantae has it's charms.

The humour is there, the world is vibrant, and exciting, bustling with fun characters, with unique, witty dialogue to boot. There's some pretty good dungeon design in there, though actually getting through them can be a challenge, since the camera's so zoomed in on Shantae, due to the small screen size of the GBC.

The graphics are amazing, the best on the GBC bar none. They also represent the end of an era. This game was one of the last that used 8 bit graphics, not for style, but because of the limitations of the hardware.

It's still a good game, and if you haven't played it yet, you should definitely try to pick it up. But, if you really can't stand some of the quirks that come with retro gaming, than maybe it isn't for you.

Couldn't have put it better myself, good sir. Further all of the flaws in the GBC Shantae are made far more bearable with the 3DS VC's save states. Don't have to worry about lives or that one tricky jump at the end of a long trek.

 

[zferolie]

Hey guys did you see MatPat's video on how Super Smash Bros. Ultimate can never be fully beaten? Check this video out and see the crazy number of combinations Ultimate will have. Heck he does so with the regular Smash Bros and WII U.

Yeah i don't watch him anymore either, His "theories" are so bat**** insane.

Anyway, who remembers this, from the Shantae game that almost happened

Yes that is from an offical shantae game

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Yeah i don't watch him anymore either, His "theories" are so bat**** insane.

Anyway, who remembers this, from the Shantae game that almost happened

Yes that is from an offical shantae game

What, what are you doing? We do not speak of Spanky Joe here...

 

[LaBeteNoire]

Yeah i don't watch him anymore either, His "theories" are so bat**** insane.

Anyway, who remembers this, from the Shantae game that almost happened

Yes that is from an offical shantae game

Wasn't his name like "Spanky Joe" or something? Yeah, probably left out for the best....

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Yeah i don't watch him anymore either, His "theories" are so bat**** insane.

How often did he say "Mario is an evil sociopath" and "Sans is Ness" by now?

Kinda makes me shudder on what he will do with Shantae, if she hits the big show.

 

[Wademan94]

Glad to see I joined in when Spanky Joe was brought up, so how’s everyone doing today?

 

[zferolie]

What, what are you doing? We do not speak of Spanky Joe here...

Lol he has fanart

How often did he say "Mario is an evil sociopath" and "Sans is Ness" by now?

Kinda makes me shudder on what he will do with Shantae, if she hits the big show.

That an all those dumb dumb DUMB Five night at freddies ****.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Glad to see I joined in when Spanky Joe was brought up, so how’s everyone doing today?

I'm doing splendidly, darling.

Lol he has fanart

Why wouldn't he?

 

[LaBeteNoire]

Lol he has fanart




That an all those dumb dumb DUMB Five night at freddies ****.

It's the internet and he is a character whose sole purpose is to spank cute girls... OF COURSE he has fan art lol

 

[Wademan94]

whoops... I can see my mistake. I thought they wrote Shantae & Pirate's Curse. Like they're playing the first and third game. The orig Shantae is a delightful trainwreck of a game.

I think the best word to describe the original game is “archaic”, it’s still a fun romp and bursting with charm, I’m glad it exists but it has not aged well to be honest. Doesn’t help the game was released a year AFTER the GBA came out.

I'm doing splendidly, darling.

It's the internet and he is a character whose sole purpose is to spank cute girls... OF COURSE he has fan art lol

I think I’ve come across more fanart of him than I have of Bolo...I don’t know how to feel about that.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

I think the best word to describe the original game is “archaic”, it’s still a fun romp and bursting with charm, I’m glad it exists but it has not aged well to be honest. Doesn’t help the game was released a year AFTER the GBA came out.

I think I’ve come across more fanart of him than I have of Bolo...I don’t know how to feel about that.

I guess consider yourself lucky you haven't come across any fan art of him WITH Bolo

 

[Shadowknight1]

How often did he say "Mario is an evil sociopath" and "Sans is Ness" by now?

Kinda makes me shudder on what he will do with Shantae, if she hits the big show.

Well Gaijin Goombah did a Culture Shock video on Shantae back in the day.

As for MatPat, the theories are entertaining but I only take the FNAF ones seriously since his theories are the closest those games get to a cohesive narrative.

 

[Wademan94]

I guess consider yourself lucky you haven't come across any fan art of him WITH Bolo

Please tell me that’s not an actual thing.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

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Please tell me that’s not an actual thing.

I don't know, I'm just saying be glad you haven't seen such a thing. Tho now that I've put it out there in the ether I'm sure someone will make it. Just like when i say out load "at least Hollywood hasn't remade X movie" only for it to tickle some studio exec's uncreative ear causing it to happen some months later. You never call Robin Goodfellow by name lest he hear it and appear to torment you with his brand of mischief.

 

[Teeb147]

hi

Throw me on the supporter list if you've got one. I've actually played every Shantae game ever released, due to fate and randomness in my childhood that left me with a GBC and only Pokemon Silver and Shantae. I've enjoyed every game (Pirate's Curse is the best imo), backed Half Genie Hero, but haven't loved it to the point of trumpeting my support for the franchise like I've done for Golden Sun.

However, I saw Wayforward's campaign for Shantae back during the ballot and actually voted for her along with Isaac and Sami from Advance Wars. Add in the fact that Cristina Vee is by far my favorite voice actor and I would absolutely be playing her hardcore as a character loyalist (hopefully together with Isaac/Felix) in Smash Ultimate.

I'm also really, really excited for the situational evidence of her in Smash, specifically the silence by Wayforward and the inclusion of K.Rool, Chrom, Ridley and Dark Samus, even Shovel Knight as an assist. I know all these leaks are like "Ken and steeeeeve", but I've got more faith in the evidence. Or maybe I just want to believe.

Yellowlord
Another recruit here, if not already seen.

So... Idk how many of you actually care about WayForward as a company but I'm a tad bit worried.

I'm sure Half-Genie Hero Ultimate Edition got them enough money to be financially stable for a while... but they're not talking about much lately. It's mostly been Retweets of fanart.

As an indie, it's more important to be constantly updating your library with games to purchase so they can continue making games but nothing has been said lately. No future plans for anything. They could easily craft together a Mighty Switch Force game or try to get the license for a Venom game or something. I would happily expand my WayForward library outside of just the Shantae series.

I'm hoping and praying that the reason they've been so inactive is because they MAY have a Shantae reveal and they want that to be the biggest thing for everyone to focus on regarding their company. But if that is not the case, I can't help but wonder what projects has them so tangled up.

In my mind, I'd imagine this is the best shape WayForward has ever been financially. Never before has their company had this much publicity and popularity. So for them to not have anything lined up in the near future worries me

No need to worry about WayForward, they're on track, they said HGH wasn't the last shantae game, and also they're likely to get at least an AT of shantae which will boost popularity by a lot. And If she's a fighter like we want, then WF has nothing to worry about for a long time haha.

First off her being a female helps distinguish her from many of the other characters. It was not the only reason she deserves to be in it but one of many. That is she would help fill many niches in the roster. Of course there is going to be more male characters when there are more male protagonists in nintendo games. The point though is that there are still far too little female characters and even less female protagonists in smash. That was just one thing she could add to the roster on top of everything else.

Second, I never complained the series was misogynistic or anything like that so don't get the wrong idea. I am simply saying that she would fill a niche. Stop cherry picking one thing I said in a list of things. If I literally said that she deserves to be in smash only because she's female then you would have a point.

And you are completely missing my point on what constitutes a character deserving of being in smash. it has nothing to do with me liking them (for example I HATE Bayonetta, from the way she is designed to her character, but I still think she deserves to be in the game..... just completely reworked and not OP).

Let's look at this objectively, shall we?

Wii fit trainer has been in ONE game, has no set personality, doesn't even have a name, you would have to stretch as much as possible to make up a move set around her, no one was asking for her, etc. How is that more deserving of being in smash bros than Shantae? Or King K Rool? Neither of which made it in to smash 4. Whether you like it or not there are objective things we can look at to see who is more deserving of being in smash than others. If there was not, then Mario would have no reason to be in smash, or Samus, etc. If every character is equally deserving of being in the game then why wasn't a goomba put in place of Mario and Luigi?

I think it's a boost too, for her to be female I mean, especially cuz of the state of the roster. It doesn't mean she and her games dont stand prominently on their own. They definitely do.
That said, creators are free to put whatever characters they want in, so they can choose whatever they find amusing too, even if they also look at who's 'deserving', and take fans into account, but ultimately it's their choice, whether it's strategic or just a whim.
I think wii fit and DH are kind of like Mr game and watch, they're 'wtf' characters that are funny to see in the game. (and still have fans)

And, I know some people dont like debates or arguments if they're somewhat pointless, though at the same time this is the internet and it's everywhere, so what do you expect. I mean, it's probably true some people are tense from wanting information, but I think it's no biggie, just let people talk and try to encourge not to squabble if it matters (just my own advice)


And besides that, there's probably a ton of memes around. *looks above and sees bugs bunny*.. yup

 

[NukeA6]

The orig Shantae is a delightful trainwreck of a game.

I really don't understand the big problem that this thread has with the original game. It's the Game Boy Color's best Metroidvania and its cult classic status is the reason we have more Shantae games. If anything, Risky's Revenge is flawed because it's half the game the original was. Really, it has half the dungeons, half the dance transformations, half the game-length, no day/night cycle, and you don't even fight Risky despite the title. Half-Genie Hero was given to the wrong game.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

And besides that, there's probably a ton of memes around. *looks above and sees bugs bunny*.. yup

Sorry, that was my fault.

Wade doesn't appreciate how I'm calling him by affectionate forms of address.

 

[Teeb147]

Sorry, that was my fault.

Wade doesn't appreciate how I'm calling him by affectionate forms of address.

Did I say memes were bad? I always say just try not to make too many, that's all

Also, I found this picture, and I SOO want Lilac to be in smash too, even if the chances are way small. Maybe she could end up in another smash-like game, I'd play it.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Maybe she could end up in another smash-like game, I'd play it.

Umm, mom...

 

[Teeb147]

Umm, mom...

Yeah. I dont count indie pogo, it's more like a party game than a smash-like game to me. (fun, but not a platformer)


Also, Deviant Art is really weird sometimes (ive said that before).
I found someone who for some reason likes to draw characters with tons of water in their pants, and it's really weird, lol.

https://www.deviantart.com/mechacross/art/Commission-Shantae-and-Risky-Pants-764904993

 

[MajestyIndigo]

Maybe she could end up in another smash-like game, I'd play it.

I think I'd buy any smash-like game Shantae's in JUST to play her. But she'll be in smash anyway :D

Edit : Also, hi Dylly ^^