Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Dyllybirdy]

Well, here's some more Halloween-y Rottytops art.

Alright, alright. Here’s another Rotty I found,

Spoiler: dressing up as another video game zombie:

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(Actually, before Cherami Leigh was added, I had the voice actor for the OTHER zombie from this game in mind for Rottytops in my dream voice cast)

Aww, I was about to post that picture too.

 

[Wademan94]

Well, here's some more Halloween-y Rottytops art.
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I was about to post that picture too.

Still a really good picture, it’s been years since I’ve seen Zombie Island

 

[NukeA6]

Alright, alright. Here’s another Rotty I found,

Spoiler: dressing up as another video game zombie:

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(Actually funnily enough, before Cherami Leigh was added, I had the voice actor for the OTHER zombie from that game in mind for Rottytops in my dream voice cast)

Isn't Ms. Fortune supposed to be immortal because she ate something?

 

[Wademan94]

Isn't Ms. Fortune supposed to be immortal because she ate something?

More or less, but I think on a technicality she qualities, I believe it’s still up for debate in the fandom

 

[meleebrawler]

More spooky month art for ya guys
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Again by AniMana21

(Of course that’s Rotty holding her own head, look at her leg)

I think Bolo's too dumb to be scared. At least when it comes to women and getting in the zone while fighting.

"If the world ends, I'm taking tommorow off."

 

[Shinuto]

Shantae gets in, the first art is cltuching a tear soaked envelope.

 

[Wademan94]

I think Bolo's too dumb to be scared. At least when it comes to women and getting in the zone while fighting.

"If the world ends, I'm taking tommorow off."

I’d say his initial interaction with the zombie kids, though it’s debatable if he has fear when saying stuff like “I may die here” or if he’s just kinda accepted his fate

 

[meleebrawler]

I’d say his initial interaction with the zombie kids, though it’s debatable if he has fear when saying stuff like “I may die here” or if he’s just kinda accepted his fate

He was kinda depressed for most of that game...

 

[Wademan94]

He was kinda depressed for most of that game...

That might be a bit strong, he has his moments in Pirate’s Curse as well, like him getting along with the zombie kids after you got him the Flesh Pops, or him with the glasses later on

 

[Dyllybirdy]

That might be a bit strong, he has his moments in Pirate’s Curse as well, like him getting along with the zombie kids after you got him the Flesh Pops, or him with the glasses later on

Okay, I have no idea why this is, but people talking about the character's development makes me really uncomfortable.

I'm not asking you to stop or anything, I'm just confused.

 

[Wademan94]

Okay, I have no idea why this is, but people talking about the character's development makes me really uncomfortable.

I'm not asking you to stop or anything, I'm just confused.

Are you talking specifically Bolo or character development in general?

 

[Door Key Pig]

2. Shantae is the most popular indie-character worldwide.

Uhhhhh can you verify that?
EDIT: Also, what's thhe Children of the Lamp theory??

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Are you talking specifically Bolo or character development in general?

In general, but especially with Rotty.

 

[Wademan94]

Speaking of those glasses, considering the initial sprite upon getting them having those swirly lenses:

And the lack of them when she gives them to Bolo:

My headcanon is that she popped out the lenses before giving the frames to him and they’re just a placebo for making him feel smarter

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

You know when seeing Anti-Shantae posts in regards to newcomers for Smash...
Most of it is pretty much "I don't know her, so she doesn't deserve to be in."

And I am pretty sure that also ties into why she doesn't appear in 95% of "leaks".
Not because she isn't in the game...
But because those leakers just don't know her.

Or at least, when it comes to them thinking of characters for Smash, they only think of AAA-characters and fan favourite old school characters.
Shantae doesn't cross their mind either way.

 

[Shinuto]

You know when seeing Anti-Shantae posts in regards to newcomers for Smash...
Most of it is pretty much "I don't know her, so she doesn't deserve to be in."

And I am pretty sure that also ties into why she doesn't appear in 95% of "leaks".
Not because she isn't in the game...
But because those leakers just don't know her.

Or at least, when it comes to them thinking of characters for Smash, they only think of AAA-characters and fan favourite old school characters.
Shantae doesn't cross their mind either way.

It makes any leak where someone "leaks" newcomers AND unrevealed Assist trophies and she appears in neither shows me " Yep, that's a fake leak for certain."

Its honestly a really nice way currently to tell when I come across a fake leak.

 

[Mrs.Milky]

Okay, I have no idea why this is, but people talking about the character's development makes me really uncomfortable.

I'm not asking you to stop or anything, I'm just confused.

Why would it make you uncomfortable?

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Why would it make you uncomfortable?

I have no idea or clue. :/

 

[Mrs.Milky]

I have no idea or clue. :/

Oofy, it really be like that sometimes.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

It makes any leak where someone "leaks" newcomers AND unrevealed Assist trophies and she appears in neither shows me " Yep, that's a fake leak for certain."

Its honestly a really nice way currently to tell when I come across a fake leak.

I still believe every text leak is just a blown up guess.
The most lucky leakers seem to be just riding the wave of attention and see how far it carries them.

Yes, some claim they have legit sources. But kids at school also claim their uncles work at Nintendo.
And we know the internet is full of lies and attention seekers, so...


In fact, given that characters like King K Rool or Richter weren't leaked...
I'm surprised people didn't see these as Red Flags already.

I mean if the leaker has legit sources and is so well-informed about what's going to be in the game...
How come they didn't know these characters were in?!

 

[Door Key Pig]

I still believe every text leak is just a blown up guess.
The most lucky leakers seem to be just riding the wave of attention and see how far it carries them.

Yes, some claim they have legit sources. But kids at school also claim their uncles work at Nintendo.
And we know the internet is full of lies and attention seekers, so...


In fact, given that characters like King K Rool or Richter weren't leaked...
I'm surprised people didn't see these as Red Flags already.

I mean if the leaker has legit sources and is so well-informed about what's going to be in the game...
How come they didn't know these characters were in?!

TBF, legit leakers could only know part of the full roster.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

TBF, legit leakers could only know part of the full roster.

And why would that be, if they really had insiders providing them with information?

Another Red Flag I can see: Wasn't Isabelle "leaked" as an Echo Fighter?
Well Isabelle ended up being in the game, but NOT as an Echo.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Good to see the Shantae support thread active. Found any exciting news about Shantae?

 

[Aurora Jenny]

I'm not defending DasVergeben, but he fully admits he doesn't know everything, just what his sources are willing to share.. and even then it's like playing phone tag. The information gets more and more distorted.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Good to see the Shantae support thread active. Found any exciting news about Shantae?

Welp, not exactly news, but something exciting nontheless.
Here, let me repost:

 

[Deleted member]

I REFUSE TO CALL THIS A STRETCH!

So reading up on the Smash 4 DLC it seems Bayonetta and Cloud used Ike and Zero Suit Samus as a starting point.

So if Smash Ultimate ever gets DLC; I'm just throwing this out there...#SmashBrosUltimate #Shantae #shantaeforsmash #SmashBros pic.twitter.com/epuaiy8FYL

— Gamecube (@GamecubeStartUp) August 9, 2018

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I REFUSE TO CALL THIS A STRETCH!

So reading up on the Smash 4 DLC it seems Bayonetta and Cloud used Ike and Zero Suit Samus as a starting point.

So if Smash Ultimate ever gets DLC; I'm just throwing this out there...#SmashBrosUltimate #Shantae #shantaeforsmash #SmashBros pic.twitter.com/epuaiy8FYL

— Gamecube (@GamecubeStartUp) August 9, 2018

No, that is most certainly a stretch, as cool as it is.

 

[Door Key Pig]

Like half of those pictures are a stretch aleast.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

I'm not defending DasVergeben, but he fully admits he doesn't know everything, just what his sources are willing to share.. and even then it's like playing phone tag. The information gets more and more distorted.

You see, I find the whole story fishy.

I mean, think about it...
Why would members of the development team entrust sensitive information to a random stranger?
Especially considering that both Nintendo and Sakurai are both very strict about leaks.

The best example for just how strict Nintendo is... is "Splatoon".
Or rather, the game that was originally supposed to happen in its place.

Long story short:
Nintendo approached a development team (High Voltage Games) with experience in shooting games, to make a family friendly shooting game.
The game's concept was robots shooting water guns to neutralize each other, if you must know.
Anyways, rough development cycle aside, one unknown member of the development team, leaked information out of spite.
Nintendo issued an ultimatum, to find out who the leaker was and stop further leaks.
But the development team was unable to do so and so Nintendo straight up killed the project and cut ties with the developer.

Eventually Nintendo had one of their own development teams do the development of a family friendly shooter instead.
And so Splatoon was born.


But yeah, this should give you a good idea just how strict Nintendo is here.
Given that, what kind of dev in their right mind would take such a risk? Leaking information to strangers?
What could they possibly hope to get out of it?

It's just not believable to me.

 

[Door Key Pig]

You see, I find the whole story fishy.

I mean, think about it...
Why would members of the development team entrust sensitive information to a random stranger?
Especially considering that both Nintendo and Sakurai are both very strict about leaks.

The best example for just how strict Nintendo is... is "Splatoon".
Or rather, the game that was originally supposed to happen in its place.

Long story short:
Nintendo approached a development team (High Voltage Games) with experience in shooting games, to make a family friendly shooting game.
The game's concept was robots shooting water guns to neutralize each other, if you must know.
Anyways, rough development cycle aside, one unknown member of the development team, leaked information out of spite.
Nintendo issued an ultimatum, to find out who the leaker was and stop further leaks.
But the development team was unable to do so and so Nintendo straight up killed the project and cut ties with the developer.

Eventually Nintendo had one of their own development teams do the development of a family friendly shooter instead.
And so Splatoon was born.


But yeah, this should give you a good idea just how strict Nintendo is here.
Given that, what kind of dev in their right mind would take such a risk? Leaking information to strangers?
What could they possibly hope to get out of it?

It's just not believable to me.

Isn't it more "employees leak it who THEN leak it to strangers"?

 

[Teeb147]

I did think Ms. Fortune and Rotty had quite a few things in common.

You see, I find the whole story fishy.

I mean, think about it...
Why would members of the development team entrust sensitive information to a random stranger?
Especially considering that both Nintendo and Sakurai are both very strict about leaks.

The best example for just how strict Nintendo is... is "Splatoon".
Or rather, the game that was originally supposed to happen in its place.

Long story short:
Nintendo approached a development team (High Voltage Games) with experience in shooting games, to make a family friendly shooting game.
The game's concept was robots shooting water guns to neutralize each other, if you must know.
Anyways, rough development cycle aside, one unknown member of the development team, leaked information out of spite.
Nintendo issued an ultimatum, to find out who the leaker was and stop further leaks.
But the development team was unable to do so and so Nintendo straight up killed the project and cut ties with the developer.

Eventually Nintendo had one of their own development teams do the development of a family friendly shooter instead.
And so Splatoon was born.


But yeah, this should give you a good idea just how strict Nintendo is here.
Given that, what kind of dev in their right mind would take such a risk? Leaking information to strangers?
What could they possibly hope to get out of it?

It's just not believable to me.

It's not random strangers, it's leakers. It's like whistle blowers, they come from inside.
It can be risky to leak information from inside your company, but still easy for people to get swept in by the hype or attention they might get around the info, so there's definitely info out there that can be true, but there's just too many leakers to think some are right over others. The ones that got things right might've been lucky, considering how many there are.

People talk, friends talk, and so down the line you have someone who spills the beans in some cases, that's all.

It still calls the question for bigger leakers, of why would one person be able to garner tons of sources? what does he have to offer that these people would be willing to risk their jobs? it doesnt add up to some degree there.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I did think Ms. Fortune and Rotty had quite a few in common.

Oh ****. I was going to post that one too, just not now.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Isn't it more "employees leak it who THEN leak it to strangers"?

I don't see how that makes a difference.
They would be treated the same way, if they are proven leakers.

Given Nintendo's strict actions about leaks, I just don't think they would take the risk leaking it to random people.
They could lose their jobs. Not something anyone in their right mind would risk.

It's not random strangers, it's leakers. It's like whistle blowers, they come from inside.

What I meant was, why would members of the development team, tell a random person (like Forgive) about what's going to be in the game?
What do they hope to achieve with that?
They must know their jobs are at risk if they do that. So why?

People talk, friends talk, and so down the line you have someone who spills the beans, that's all.

It still calls the question for bigger leakers, of why would one person be able to garner tons of sources? what does he have to offer that these people would be willing to risk their jobs? it doesnt add up to some degree there.

Then those aren't leaks.
But Rumors!

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Welp, not exactly news, but something exciting nontheless.
Here, let me repost:

That is some solid evidence that this support Group has found. Even during the Smash 4 Ballot days I came across Wayforward promoting Shantae and to now stay silent when they are usually extremely very vocal is suspicious.

I hope this isn't just a tease for an Assist Trophy and that the Genie grants her fans' wishes.

 

[Door Key Pig]

I don't see how that makes a difference.
They would be treated the same way, if they are proven leakers.

Given Nintendo's strict actions about leaks, I just don't think they would take the risk leaking it to random people.
They could lose their jobs. Not something anyone in their right mind would risk.



What I meant was, why would members of the development team, tell a random person (like Forgive) about what's going to be in the game?
What do they hope to achieve with that?
They must know their jobs are at risk if they do that. So why?



Then those aren't leaks.
But Rumors!

Surely they can just make anonymous internet accounts and distribute general information of something they're working on without getting caught, right???

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Surely they can just make anonymous internet accounts and distribute general information of something they're working on without getting caught, right???

Then tell me why they wouldn't know about certain content in the game (King K. Rool, Richter, etc.) or get details about them wrong (Isabelle).

 

[Teeb147]

I don't see how that makes a difference.
They would be treated the same way, if they are proven leakers.

Given Nintendo's strict actions about leaks, I just don't think they would take the risk leaking it to random people.
They could lose their jobs. Not something anyone in their right mind would risk.

You seem to treat nintendo as if it's not made up of people. People are fallible. Even if there's rules, people break the rules, it's part of human nature.
However..

What I meant was, why would members of the development team, tell a random person (like Forgive) about what's going to be in the game?
What do they hope to achieve with that?
They must know their jobs are at risk if they do that. So why?

That's what I mean by your questioning still applies. why would they tell these big leakers? what does he offer that makes them want to say and risk their jobs?
In other words, I agree with you there. It's fishy, or there's something we dont understand going on between the big ones who (claim to) have sources inside. (or there's more people who trust in anonymousity than we think)

Then those aren't leaks.
But Rumors!

I'm not talking about rumors. You forget that all employees at companies have friends and family. And those have friends and family, etc.
Not a lot of people are good at keeping completely silent you know. Leaks do happen.

Then tell me why they wouldn't know about certain content in the game (King K. Rool, Richter, etc.) or get details about them wrong (Isabelle).

Because of stuff like compartmentalization. Do you know how companies work, for info and development? (hope that doesnt sound harsh, I really just mean to say there's a lot to how things work that can explain these things)

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

You seem to treat nintendo as if it's not made up of people. People are fallible. Even if there's rules, people break the rules, it's part of human nature.

Given how strict Nintendo is, I think its employees would be more wary about what they say.

That's what I mean by your questioning still applies. why would they tell these big leakers? what does he offer that makes them want to say and risk their jobs?
In other words, I agree with you there. It's fishy, or there's something we dont understand going on between the ones that somehow (claim to) have sources inside.

Sorry, but text leakers just guessing and making a whole story about it, seems more plausible here.
Everything else is just making up stuff to keep believing.

I'm not talking about rumors. You forget that all employees at companies have friends and family. And those have friends and family, etc.
Not a lot of people are good at keeping completely silent you know. Leaks do happen.

Again, Nintendo is strict.
So even if people end up telling their friends and families, I really don't think their loved ones would want to be responsible for getting their friend, father or whatever, fired.
Plus, let's not forget both Sora and Nintendo are japanese companies.
And Japan's culture and society differs from ours in ways...

Because of compartmentalization. Dont you know how companies work, at least a little? (hope that doesnt sound harsh, I really just mean to say there's a lot to how things work that can explain these things)

I do know that developers not knowing about content of the game they're working on is laughable.

 

[Teeb147]

Given how strict Nintendo is, I think its employees would be more wary about what they say.



Sorry, but text leakers just guessing and making a whole story about it, seems more plausible here.
Everything else is just making up stuff to keep believing.



Again, Nintendo is strict.
So even if people end up telling their friends and families, I really don't think their loved ones would want to be responsible for getting their friend, father or whatever, fired.
Plus, let's not forget both Sora and Nintendo are japanese companies.
And Japan's culture and society differs from ours in ways...




I do know that developers not knowing about content of the game they're working on is laughable.

The only thing I will add is just a follow up on what Door Key said. You say strict, but really that's all in the organization. Anonymity is powerful. Nintendo doesnt bug employees' home computers or conversations. If people wont get caught, then they are more prone to escaping the rules. You may have trouble understanding that because you give a lot of value to rules, but a lot of people dont (secretly).

Other than that I agree.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

The only thing I will add is just a follow up on what Door Key said. You say strict, but really that's all in the organization. Anonymity is powerful. Nintendo doesnt bug employees' home computers or conversations. If people wont get caught, then they are more prone to escaping the rules. You may have trouble understanding that because you give a lot of value to rules, but a lot of people dont (secretly).

Again, Japanese people aren't as insidious and sneaky as Western companies.
Most japanese people, as far as I have seen, work with honor.
So things like these are much less likely to happen.

Plus, before you bring it up, High Voltage Games, was in fact a Western company.


In fact, now that you mention it...
Has anyone asked Forgive, if he can speak japanese?
If he doesn't speak japanese, we'd have another Red Flag on our hands...