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Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

Do you think shantae can make it?

  • Yes, as a fighter

  • Yes, as a assist trophy

  • No, not as a assist trophy

  • No, not at all


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TheCJBrine

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You don't play many Kirby or Megaman games, do ya? They have plenty of examples of bosses around the same size as the protagonist while being no less fun to fight because of it.

Also the argument of "I'd rather not have a character represented at all instead of incorrectly portraying a role" is a ridiculous double standard. Should Ridley have not been made playable because he's had no such appearance up until now?
What? Ridley was a boss, though, Skull Kid never was, and I feel that's different because Smash is for different characters, which playable series representation get's really limited if you only go for the protagonists. And I haven't played many Mega Man games, but I've played Mega Man 2 and it didn't feel all that difficult; the most difficult part was some of the big bosses and traversing the levels, and I have played Kirby games and the bosses didn't feel difficult either, except the secret Soul bosses because oh-boy are they ready to clobbah dat der Kirbeh. Smash seems different, though; all the bosses are big and easy to hit, what would make a small boss lame is if they're also easy to hit, and it'd be weird if they're hard to fight on Easy difficulty; Smash's gameplay is definitely different, though closer to Kirby I'll admit.

Really I think Skull Kid would be cool if he was represented in some way, it's just I'd rather he just be a trophy if not a fighter, as then he'd have a chance for DLC...
 
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Teeb147

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Getting back to Shantae..

It'll be really cool if we can see kirby with her hair :p



there's actually quite a few pics of it :O
 

Dyllybirdy

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duke.. what. when did you turn into connor?

Yeah it's actually easier to disconfirm characters this time around, since they really decided to pay tribute to a lot of them, through final smashes and ATs and all that.

My poor Kumatora :sadeyes:



It's cool to see her though.
Aww, Kumatora would be really cool. :urg:

Well, I was very disappointed when Midna was deconfirmed. She'd be amazing.

Getting back to Shantae..

It'll be really cool if we can see kirby with her hair :p



there's actually quite a few pics of it :O
Heh, that's a cute one. :3
 

meleebrawler

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What? Ridley was a boss, though, Skull Kid never was, and I feel that's different because Smash is for different characters, which playable series representation get's really limited if you only go for the protagonists. And I haven't played many Mega Man games, but I've played Mega Man 2 and it didn't feel all that difficult; the most difficult part was some of the big bosses and traversing the levels, and I have played Kirby games and the bosses didn't feel difficult either, except the secret Soul bosses because oh-boy are they ready to clobbah dat der Kirbeh. Smash seems different, though; all the bosses are big and easy to hit, what would make a small boss lame is if they're also easy to hit, and it'd be weird if they're hard to fight on Easy difficulty; Smash's gameplay is definitely different, though closer to Kirby I'll admit.

Really I think Skull Kid would be cool if he was represented in some way, it's just I'd rather he just be a trophy if not a fighter, as then he'd have a chance for DLC...
Now see, I don't think being a boss would preclude one from being playable down the line either. Unlike assists, you'd have to go out of your way to cause confusion, and the playable version could either be totally different or just toned down from the boss version, depending on how the latter is implemented.

I don't see the big deal in size: bosses of all kinds become slower and less aggressive in addition to doing less damage and taking more on lower difficulties, so it wouldn't be too difficult to balance small opponents around that.

My argument wasn't about protagonists only, it's just pointing out the hole in the logic of "characters should be represented in the roles they fulfilled in past games". You either follow that to the letter and severely limit choices like you say, or make exceptions to allow more playable fighters, but at the expense of torpedoing the entire basis of the argument of matching roles to begin with.

Getting back to Shantae..

It'll be really cool if we can see kirby with her hair :p



there's actually quite a few pics of it :O
You know now that I think about, Palutena is the currently the only fighter whose hair compares to Shantae's length.
 

Hollywoodrok12

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Getting back to Shantae..

It'll be really cool if we can see kirby with her hair :p



there's actually quite a few pics of it :O
That Kirby "hat" should be a reason for her inclusion as a fighter in and of itself.

You know now that I think about, Palutena is the currently the only fighter whose hair compares to Shantae's length.
Technically there's Bayo, but does she really count?

Great! But now I want to see a newly ponytailed Palutena attempt to whip with that!
I could see her using her magic to use the hair whip for some reason like not wanting to give herself whiplash. Speaking of which, do you think Shantae would end up being immune to whiplash, seeing as to how she swings her head around to whip her hair like it's nothing?
 

DOTBHDD

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You all need to keep up with this person. Has nothing to do with Smash but they break down the gameplay elements of the Shantae series in clever ways. Love it! So much!

If you like or care about video game design and especially look to Shantae games for inspiration, I highly recommend keeping up with this user.
 

Teeb147

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Well Connor will be back, he didn't know he had a kindle that could text online. ;p


also on another note, I just wanna say some people on deviant art have really weird tastes for what to upload sometimes :p
 
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You all need to keep up with this person. Has nothing to do with Smash but they break down the gameplay elements of the Shantae series in clever ways. Love it! So much!

If you like or care about video game design and especially look to Shantae games for inspiration, I highly recommend keeping up with this user.
Yo!! Someone give this guy an invite!!!
 

Inoj

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New Alpha Stoutland video. It has pretty much all the evidence and speculation thus far.
 

Teeb147

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New Alpha Stoutland video. It has pretty much all the evidence and speculation thus far.
Not only is that a reaally good compilation video, but his editing seems better than ever.

Now here's something really interesting that was mentioned, and I want to ask a question about it. He mentioned how the jammies mode outfit was actually designed first for the smash ballot ad that WayForward created. That's to say, it existed there first, and Then jammies mode came out with all the parallels to ultimate.

So here's my question, did the jammies outfit appear anywhere before WF's smash ballot ad?
 
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Dyllybirdy

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Not only is that a reaally good compilation video, but his editing seems better than ever.

Now here's something really interesting that was mentioned, and I want to ask a question about it. He mentioned how the jammies mode outfit was actually designed first for the smash ballot ad that WayForward created. That's to say, it existed there first, and Then jammies mode came out with all the parallels to ultimate.

So here's my question, did the jammies outfit appear anywhere before WF's smash ballot ad?
Well, it appears in Pirate's Curse. :/
 

Teeb147

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Well, it appears in Pirate's Curse. :/
Oh right, ok. Well thanks. So I guess it's not as big of a point as it couldve been then.
So, still vague, but still cool. (I mean meaningful still)
 
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SoupCanMafia

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Not only is that a reaally good compilation video, but his editing seems better than ever.

Now here's something really interesting that was mentioned, and I want to ask a question about it. He mentioned how the jammies mode outfit was actually designed first for the smash ballot ad that WayForward created. That's to say, it existed there first, and Then jammies mode came out with all the parallels to ultimate.

So here's my question, did the jammies outfit appear anywhere before WF's smash ballot ad?
Wasn't the "Jammies" pajamas in Pirate's Curse during the intro sequence, though?
 

Wademan94

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Not only is that a reaally good compilation video, but his editing seems better than ever.

Now here's something really interesting that was mentioned, and I want to ask a question about it. He mentioned how the jammies mode outfit was actually designed first for the smash ballot ad that WayForward created. That's to say, it existed there first, and Then jammies mode came out with all the parallels to ultimate.

So here's my question, did the jammies outfit appear anywhere before WF's smash ballot ad?
Also, the jammies did appear a little before Pirate’s Curse, they were also present in the initial Kickstarter trailer for Half-Genie Hero, posted back in 2013:

 
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Teeb147

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Thanks. ;)

So here's my last question for the night.. does a slumber party have anything to do with smash in some way?
I mean I guess there's pillow fights, with friends. Other than that I dont know. Feathers? :/
Just a line I was wondering :)
 
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Dyllybirdy

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Thanks. ;)

So here's my last question for the night.. does a slumber party have anything to do with smash in some way?
I mean I guess there's pillow fights, with friends. Other than that I dont know. Feathers? :/
Just a line I was wondering :)
I don't think so, no, not directly anyway. But it's still cute to think about. :)
sleepover_s_shantae_by_ferrokiva-d8swdz7.jpg

Wait... is that window...
 
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None of the less pajama shantae will always be best shantae 4ever


:ultsnake::tasty.
 

Teeb147

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Wait, how long was it that Shantae-related advertising started to show up on Smash related videos? This actually seems far fishier than everything else that I've heard!
Might just be targeted ads? I only skimmed that part of the video so I dont know tho.
 

LaBeteNoire

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Wait, how long was it that Shantae-related advertising started to show up on Smash related videos? This actually seems far fishier than everything else that I've heard!
I wouldn't read to much into it. Adds often cater to a persons search and browser history. As we are all Shantae fans, adds targeted at us are more likely to involve her.

Now if people who had no idea who she was started getting ads about her, but only during Smash videos.... That could mean something else, But as it stands it's just the money bots trying to show us what we like to get our money.
 

Hollywoodrok12

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Wait, how long was it that Shantae-related advertising started to show up on Smash related videos? This actually seems far fishier than everything else that I've heard!
Wait people were getting these ads during Smash videos? Does anyone have recommendations (both watch and search) off? Because it might just end up being Youtube's algorithm seeing that you're Shantae fans. I haven't gotten those ads, so that's why I'm asking.

Might just be targeted ads? I only skimmed that part of the video so I dont know tho.
I wouldn't read to much into it. Adds often cater to a persons search and browser history. As we are all Shantae fans, adds targeted at us are more likely to involve her.

Now if people who had no idea who she was started getting ads about her, but only during Smash videos.... That could mean something else, But as it stands it's just the money bots trying to show us what we like to get our money.
:ultgreninja:'d. But seriously, I don't think this means anything. I feel Shovel Knight fans could realistically end up getting the same thing, and, you know how they ended up...
 

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Thanks. ;)

So here's my last question for the night.. does a slumber party have anything to do with smash in some way?
I mean I guess there's pillow fights, with friends. Other than that I dont know. Feathers? :/
Just a line I was wondering :)
In of itself, only the concept of inviting everyone including foes is the real point in common with Smash.

But then, scenarios for character trailers don't always start with something battle-related. Like doing yoga, or lazing around at home watching TV.
 
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Wait people were getting these ads during Smash videos? Does anyone have recommendations (both watch and search) off? Because it might just end up being Youtube's algorithm seeing that you're Shantae fans. I haven't gotten those ads, so that's why I'm asking.





:ultgreninja:'d. But seriously, I don't think this means anything. I feel Shovel Knight fans could realistically end up getting the same thing, and, you know how they ended up...
Them:
 
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