Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[SoupCanMafia]

I stumbled across this and I thought this could help us visualize what Shantae’s animations would be like in 3D.

That would be the best thing ever, just someone randomly throwing a guitar at her and shredding on it. XD

 

[Deleted member]

I really need to organize the evidence into different categories, but ya.

My opinion on the pose is that it’s a possailty Shantae could borrow assets from Zelda to ease her development. Since she has that pose, might as well give it to Shantae as well. IDK. Lots of characters borrow assets and not echos.

Yes that makes a lot sense!

 

[PichuMain]

I stumbled across this and I thought this could help us visualize what Shantae’s animations would be like in 3D.

Maybe its just me, but her idle animation in 3D doesn't look very good. In 2D pixel animation, its kinda required to give it life. In 3D, it just looks unneccessary. Like she's high on sugar. Maybe if it were more subtle, then I guess it could work.

Idk. I just think the idle animation is weird in 3D.

 

[SoupCanMafia]

Maybe its just me, but her idle animation in 3D doesn't look very good. In 2D pixel animation, its kinda required to give it life. In 3D, it just looks unneccessary. Like she's high on sugar. Maybe if it were more subtle, then I guess it could work.

Idk. I just think the idle animation is weird in 3D.

Why not take a page from the first Shantae game's idle animation? It's relatively simple and it could work better than HGH's/PC's more "lively" animations. And if that's a bit too dull, maybe spice it up a bit to make her more lively?

Consider this video, for instance. There's a primary idle animation (which I may just refer to standing animation) with two specific idle animations. The standing animation could be the First Shantae game's standing animation. And it'd be too risky to get her actual idle animation from RR/PC/HGH into this, so that's where the "lively" idle animation could take place. Or she could just play around with a fireball in her hand?

 

[Stephano]

Maybe its just me, but her idle animation in 3D doesn't look very good. In 2D pixel animation, its kinda required to give it life. In 3D, it just looks unneccessary. Like she's high on sugar. Maybe if it were more subtle, then I guess it could work.

Idk. I just think the idle animation is weird in 3D.

Keep in mind this was done by someone learning SFM. The animations would be a lot more fluid and vibrant in smash.

 

[PichuMain]

Why not take a page from the first Shantae game's idle animation? It's relatively simple and it could work better than HGH's/PC's more "lively" animations. And if that's a bit too dull, maybe spice it up a bit to make her more lively?

Best step in the right direction, and best place to start. It is a bit dull if she were to be in her own 3D game. In Smash, it could actually work. Seems more like a fighting stance.

Keep in mind this was done by someone learning SFM. The animations would be a lot more fluid and vibrant in smash.

Of course! I'm doing 2D animation (or on my way of being a cartoonist), so I can understand, but I never done 3D. So I can't back myself up there. But if that idle animation were to be in Smash, it may be a bit to vibrant. Tone it down a little, and that stance could work. The rest seems fine. I just don't like the idle.

 

[Shadowknight1]

To be frank, we're not likely to see all of her idle stances in Smash because there's little point. None of the other characters have idles that change, even when they'd have them in their home games(Mario and Link are good examples), and right now, Link is the only one that has something special at 0% damage.

 

[Makai Wars]

Shantae has 3 different idle animations.
1 at 100% HP (that weird bouncing dance)
1 at sub 100% HP (her more normal looking battle stance)
1 at sub 1 heart (rustled hair and holding arm)

In Smash Shantae should do her sub 100% HP idle normally, but then do a short loop of her 100% HP dance animation before returning to neutral. The other idle animation would be her messing with her hair like she does when idling in Pirate's Curse.

She has another idle in her games where she fixes her bra but that'll likely be omitted.

 

[Deleted member]

All of this evidence we have here......it is more than just an AT. with an ncc going on and the blog spot still missing I’m guaranteed that she is indeed a fighter plus the room in the direct points in to her inclusion as a fighter!

 

[PichuMain]

To be frank, we're not likely to see all of her idle stances in Smash because there's little point. None of the other characters have idles that change, even when they'd have them in their home games(Mario and Link are good examples), and right now, Link is the only one that has something special at 0% damage.

I just want her critical idle and her first Shantae idle stance. I think that'd be great. But one idle animation is fine.

All of this evidence we have here......it is more than just an AT. with an ncc going on and the blog spot still missing I’m guaranteed that she is indeed a fighter plus the room in the direct points in to her inclusion as a fighter!

I certainly hope so, but Sakurai being almost unpredictable has me worry at times.

Let our girl in the GAME!!!

 

[Deleted member]

I certainly hope so, but Sakurai being almost unpredictable has me worry at times.

What do you mean?

 

[PichuMain]

What do you mean?

You haven't seen our Daddy Sakurai in action?

He turned a wii fit trainer into a fighter.
He turned Mr. G&W into a fighter, and he didn't have much going for him.
Shovel Knight, rightfully should be a fighter, is an Assist Trophy.
He made Duck Hunt, nothing but a shooter, into a fighter. In his game, ya shoot ducks!
He made Captain Falcon, who I believe never even got out of his vehicle in his first game, into a fighter.
He turned Isabelle, who everybody thought she'd be an echo, into a newcomer.

He SEE'S something we don't. He is lovably weird, and unpredictable at times. He could throw in a characyer no one expected like the last few games.

I know it makes sense NOW, but back then, maybe you can agree with me saying that was a beyond weird, but welcoming choice.

EDIT: I guess all in all, we dunno who he's putting in. It could be a fan favorite, or something that shouldn't work, DOES work.

 

[Deleted member]

You haven't seen our Daddy Sakurai in action?

He turned a wii fit trainer into a fighter.
He turned Mr. G&W into a fighter, and he didn't have much going for him.
Shovel Knight, rightfully should be a fighter, is an Assist Trophy.
He made Duck Hunt, nothing but a shooter, into a fighter. In his game, ya shoot ducks!
He made Captain Falcon, who I believe never even got out of his vehicle in his first game, into a fighter.
He turned Isabelle, who everybody thought she'd be an echo, into a newcomer.

He SEE'S something we don't. He is lovably weird, and unpredictable at times. He could throw in a characyer no one expected like the last few games.

I know it makes sense NOW, but back then, maybe you can agree with me saying that was a beyond weird, but welcoming choice.

EDIT: I guess all in all, we dunno who he's putting in. It could be a fan favorite, or something that shouldn't work, DOES work.

Don’t worry he knows what he’s doing besides we have all of the evidence here.

 

[SoupCanMafia]

You haven't seen our Daddy Sakurai in action?

He turned a wii fit trainer into a fighter.
He turned Mr. G&W into a fighter, and he didn't have much going for him.
Shovel Knight, rightfully should be a fighter, is an Assist Trophy.
He made Duck Hunt, nothing but a shooter, into a fighter. In his game, ya shoot ducks!
He made Captain Falcon, who I believe never even got out of his vehicle in his first game, into a fighter.
He turned Isabelle, who everybody thought she'd be an echo, into a newcomer.

He SEE'S something we don't. He is lovably weird, and unpredictable at times. He could throw in a characyer no one expected like the last few games.

I know it makes sense NOW, but back then, maybe you can agree with me saying that was a beyond weird, but welcoming choice.

EDIT: I guess all in all, we dunno who he's putting in. It could be a fan favorite, or something that shouldn't work, DOES work.

Let's not forget that all the good Captain says is "Yes! Falcon PUNCH! C'mon, Blue Falcon! Show me your moves" or some variation of them, when he's capable of actually saying stuff in F-Zero GX.

 

[meleebrawler]

imo, the pose is just a coincidence. Shantae isn't the only character to have ever been in that pose. It's iconic to her being featured in her main art and all, but it may have been given to Zelda as just a general "cool action pose".

Personally, I'd embrace these characters having similar victory animations, would make them synergize more in teams! Imagine one involving Zelda, Shantae, Pyra (you know it's just a matter of time) and Mario simultaneously flaunting their fire power.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

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I've been keeping an eye on the Leak Thread and yeah, nothing's happened in regards to the Stanley Leak so that's another fake leak we can disregard. However, the Prima leak (the one that says that Shantae's an AT), while being dismissed as fake here, is still very much talked about on GameFAQs.

I wouldn't give the Prima leak much attention.

I don't see any possibility of Vault Boy being playable AT ALL.

 

[Moderately obsessed]

Personally, I'd embrace these characters having similar victory animations, would make them synergize more in teams! Imagine one involving Zelda, Shantae, Pyra (you know it's just a matter of time) and Mario simultaneously flaunting their fire power.

Same. It'd just be weird because it's the pose Shantae has on the box-art for Risky's Revenge. I think it could be a subtle hint. If I knew everyone would be over analyzing my games (you know, as I'm/We're doing right now) I'd be as sneaky as possible. Love it though.

 

[Stephano]

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I wouldn't give the Prima leak much attention.

I don't see any possibility of Vault Boy being playable AT ALL.

Ya, there is no way. He has no personality and I think he is too violent of a character to be in the game. When I mean violent, I mean smashing people’s heads in with a cricket bat violent.

 

[Deleted member]

Ya, there is no way. He has no personality and I think he is too violent of a character to be in the game. When I mean violent, I mean smashing people’s heads in with a cricket bat violent.

Besides any fake leak without shantae or has her as an assist is fake

 

[Door Key Pig]

Besides any fake leak without shantae or has her as an assist is fake

Ya think Shantae's gonna be base game or aleast DLC?

 

[Deleted member]

Ya think Shantae's gonna be base game or aleast DLC?

BASE. too much evidence covering her up with smoke

 

[Confirmation]

Ya think Shantae's gonna be base game or aleast DLC?

I'd guess base.

I wouldn't wanna be WF if she was dlc...

 

[Door Key Pig]

BASE. too much evidence covering her up with smoke

Like the Pajama mode hints and stuff?

 

[Stephano]

Like the Pajama mode hints and stuff?

Yes, but there is much more to it than just that.

 

[Door Key Pig]

Yes, but there is much more to it than just that.

Care to list or show that image of Shantae evidence?

 

[Stephano]

Here is what I wrote the other day

-Support, Followed By Silence: When the smash ballot launched, there was a huge out poor for Shantae not just by fans, but by Wayforward as well. They went as far as to design a set of 8 costumes that she would potentially have as explain in an interview what they feel like her moveset would be. Along side showing their support, fans shared hundereds of pieces of art sharing their excitement with Shantae appearing in smash. WF liked, shared, and retweeted all of this art. Time goes by and we learn that this game's roster is based on the ballot. Excited, fans begin to re support their fighters. However, WF seems to be silent on the matter. The do not acknowledge fans asking about her possible placement in smash and they rarely like art that has Shantae in something smash related. This is a possible conclusion of a ....

-Possible NDA: A nondisclosure agreement would hinder WF to talk about her potential placement in smash. If there was no such agreement, why would they not deconfirm her right away? Why would they lead their fans on only for all of them to get disappointed? Sure, this does lead to a lot of free publicity and WF and definitely use that, but WF is not a scummy company. They love being open about the things they are doing and love their fans more than the games they make. To me, it makes sense that there is some NDA and it is VERY effective as she is not talked about as much as other potential fighters.

-Possible NCC: Shantae has had very few guest appearances, but the ones she has been in all have something in common, that being the games are not platform fighters. Blade Strangers have been open about how they would love to have her in the game. While it is still possible that this is her fate, I do believe that WF has opted out of several games to help increase her chances of getting in smash.

-Jammies Mode: This to me is a huge selling point as well as proof as their not being a NDA. I'm not sure how much a company is able to disclose to the public while an NDA is in place, but the hints in Jammies mode both gets me worried and excited. On one hand, their may not be an NDA and they reference smash as a little joke. This seems a little unlikely because WF is silent and ignores smash stuff. Why lead on fans to just be disappointed? On the other hand, disclosing these "subtle" hints may not be a violation of an NDA and their choice on how to reveal Jammies mode was calculated and deliberate. I'm skeptical but I'm siding with this theory.

-Popularity: I'm going to be fair to both Shovel Knight and Shantae, They are both in fact, Mr. and Mrs. Indie. I do not believe any indie character has been able to reach the popularity of these two (No, MC Steve does not count). While Shovel knight is popular here in America, Shantae has a much larger audience in Japan. This is due to her cute, expressive, and appealing nature. Cute things = popularity. Don't believe me, Jak and Daxter was a MASSIVE hit in Japan. Jak II changed his appearance to an edge lord, and thus the game flopped HARD. In addition, western releases of Kirby games have him look edgier on the box art then on Japanese box art. Shantae is more expressive than SK which is a huge win over him as far as inclusion. While I love SK's game, he is a faceless protagonist. This is not a bad thing, but it's not what Japan likes.

There is also that image you mentioned which lists a few more things

Spoiler: Picture

There is probably a few more things that i'm missing, most likely all the recent tweets they made that were out of character. Wayforward is much more sincere and funny when it comes to talking to others or reporting on something. You can take a look at their tweets and compare them to their final Kickstarter update to see how out of character they have been.

 

[MagusOfIllusions]

Here is a higher resolution version of that image Stephano :

Spoiler

 

[IGuessItsOver]

BASE. too much evidence covering her up with smoke

Don't play with my heart bro, reading through all of your posts gets me very excited, but then i remember the box theory and i feel let down again.

 

[GoldLiger]

Man away for 9 hours and you have to get pages of reading lol.

Anyway how have things been these last few hours?

 

[Stephano]

Man away for 9 hours and you have to get pages of reading lol.

Anyway how have things been these last few hours?

Dude, I got this page open all day and got it on constant refresh for updates...... I'm very board

nothing new.

 

[TheRandomCities4]

Here is a higher resolution version of that image:

Spoiler

Except the silence of Yacht Club Games isn't entirely true (which potentially bodes even better for Shantae). They have mentioned that "Shovel Knight has a 0.001% chance of making it in Smash" either last year or this year shortly after Smash Ultimate was teased in March. I don't remember when it happened, but I remember the tweet. Probably still exists in their twitter feed.

If you follow the idea that companies are under NDA when making deals with Nintendo/Smash, we could infer two possibilities from this:

1. NDAs are less restrictive for companies whose characters are becoming ATs instead of playable fighters.
2. Shovel Knight AT could have been developed in-between now and whenever Yacht Club Games made that statement.

If you follow the idea that companies are under NDA when making deals with Nintendo/Smash, we also have to consider this:

1. Whenever companies/"important people in those companies" make explicit statements about their character and Smash Brothers (even if it is them expressing their support), their character is NOT getting in Smash (as this would violate NDA--you're not allowed, legally, to say either way without consequences). This would apply to Dante from DMC, Banjo Kazooie, and more recently, Sora from Kingdom Hearts (some people are interpreting it the other way, but they are clearly not aware of the implications that NDAs would have). There are probably others.

Also, on the topic of Indie Fighter games and the potential WayForward NCC (Non-compete clause):

1. Indie Pogo devs have officially confirmed that they approached WF to get Shantae in their game and were denied.
2. Blade Strangers devs have openly expressed interest in getting Shantae in their game as well, but she is not in.

Keep in mind that she is easily, by far, the most requested character to appear in these games--yet she has not. At least one of these occasions was because there was confirmed denial of having Shantae appear. It is entirely possible that the other two indie fighting crossover game had a similar occurrence that we are not aware of.

There is probably even more evidence, but this is what I could add off the top of my head.

 

[Stephano]

1. Indie Pogo devs have officially confirmed that they approached WF to get Shantae in their game and were denied.

THAT! THAT RIGHT THERE! THAT HAS TO BE IT!

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Except the silence of Yacht Club Games isn't entirely true (which potentially bodes even better for Shantae). They have mentioned that "Shovel Knight has a 0.001% chance of making it in Smash" either last year or this year shortly after Smash Ultimate was teased in March. I don't remember when it happened, but I remember the tweet. Probably still exists in their twitter feed.

If you follow the idea that companies are under NDA when making deals with Nintendo/Smash, we could infer two possibilities from this:

1. NDAs are less restrictive for companies whose characters are becoming ATs instead of playable fighters.
2. Shovel Knight AT could have been developed in-between now and whenever Yacht Club Games made that statement.

If you follow the idea that companies are under NDA when making deals with Nintendo/Smash, we also have to consider this:

1. Whenever companies/"important people in those companies" make explicit statements about their character and Smash Brothers (even if it is them expressing their support), their character is NOT getting in Smash (as this would violate NDA--you're not allowed, legally, to say either way without consequences). This would apply to Dante from DMC, Banjo Kazooie, and more recently, Sora from Kingdom Hearts (some people are interpreting it the other way, but they are clearly not aware of the implications that NDAs would have). There are probably others.

Also, on the topic of Indie Fighter games and the potential WayForward NCC (Non-compete clause):

1. Indie Pogo devs have officially confirmed that they approached WF to get Shantae in their game and were denied.
2. Blade Strangers devs have openly expressed interest in getting Shantae in their game as well, but she is not in.

Keep in mind that she is easily, by far, the most requested character to appear in these games--yet she has not. At least one of these occasions was because there was confirmed denial of having Shantae appear. It is entirely possible that the other two indie fighting crossover game had a similar occurrence that we are not aware of.

There is probably even more evidence, but this is what I could add off the top of my head.

Somebody give this man a prize

 

[TheRandomCities4]

THAT! THAT RIGHT THERE! THAT HAS TO BE IT!

While I would like to hype myself (and you are most certainly free to do so), I will choose to remain calm until we see for sure.

Honestly what's even more amazing to me is that we keep having "good things" come our way while dodging every single "kill shot". I'm just WAITING for a "kill shot" to hit Shantae, yet nothing has. Everything has remained and is remaining consistent with our evidence (and, more importantly, we're not even having to stretch the boundaries of our evidence--just perfectly consistent).

We've likely got one round of AT "kill shots" left (seeing as how there's only like 10 left due to them saying 50+ ATs in-game and only ~40 have been revealed). Probably gonna happen in next Smash direct.

All of our evidence points to her being in the base game, as it has been going on for years (documented). Why make deals for DLC years in advance? That just doesn't make any sense.

 

[Deleted member]

Don't play with my heart bro, reading through all of your posts gets me very excited, but then i remember the box theory and i feel let down again.

Box theory?!?!?

 

[tbuster766]

I'm coming from an Isaac support thread and wish you guys luck. Personally I would love to see our beloved half-genie hero get in alongside Isaac :D

 

[Deleted member]

Box theory?!?!?

I don't think the box theory is credible either. But, you don't have to word it like that.

 

[Shinuto]

While I would like to hype myself (and you are most certainly free to do so), I will choose to remain calm until we see for sure.

Honestly what's even more amazing to me is that we keep having "good things" come our way while dodging every single "kill shot". I'm just WAITING for a "kill shot" to hit Shantae, yet nothing has. Everything has remained and is remaining consistent with our evidence (and, more importantly, we're not even having to stretch the boundaries of our evidence--just perfectly consistent).

We've likely got one round of AT "kill shots" left (seeing as how there's only like 10 left due to them saying 50+ ATs in-game and only ~40 have been revealed). Probably gonna happen in next Smash direct.

All of our evidence points to her being in the base game, as it has been going on for years (documented). Why make deals for DLC years in advance? That just doesn't make any sense.

The way I see it...we've got one more Smash direct...that Direct is the BIG one to focus, if she doesnt show up in that potential last AT reel and hasnt already been revealed she's in.

 

[Stephano]

 

[AngrySun88]

Shantae probably has more evidence in her favor than any other character besides Geno and Ken.

I've yet to see anything that discounts her chances no matter what excuses the trolls and haters come up with.