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Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

Do you think shantae can make it?

  • Yes, as a fighter

  • Yes, as a assist trophy

  • No, not as a assist trophy

  • No, not at all


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Parallel_Falchion

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If someone wins every time at Blackjack or at a casino, it's very probable they are using a trick or are cheating.
But unless you can prove that, you can't declare them tricksters or cheaters, no matter how probable it is.
Since the possibility of them being lucky, remains.
So you're basically admitting that he probably does/did have legitimate info and are willfully choosing to look the other way because "maybe he just got lucky."

Whatever gets you going, I guess.
 

Paragon-Yoshi

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So you're basically admitting that he probably does/did have legitimate info and are willfully choosing to look the other way because "maybe he just got lucky."

Whatever gets you going, I guess.
You like twisting people's words, don't you?

The point is: There is no evidence that prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that he has legit sources.
So it's all just speculation.

You can believe him having legit sources based on his track record all you want.
But it doesn't rule out that it could've been all lucky guesses as well.
Only hard proof can do that.


Seriously though, is this even about leakers... or bashing a person, because an opportunity presented itself?!
 

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Which version doesn't matter in the end, since they all disregard the game canon...
Who gives a **** about the game canon, most of the games have very little story or depth to begin with.
 

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Which makes his refusal to respond to any comments about Smash Bros all the more suspicious. He and WayForward are deliberately ignoring those while other people like Phil Spencer have specifically talked about Smash.
Not to mention that one tweet from Yacht Club Games before SK was revealed as an AT.
 

Teeb147

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So I just went through Matt Bozon's Twitter and I found this tweet amusing.
https://twitter.com/MrBozon/status/1041107114322669568
Well what I like about it is that we don't have to worry too much about them being ticked off by people constantly asking. That's actually a great sign.

And it definitely makes the contrast look bigger. They would probably love to answer us if they could. They probably love that we're hype about her for smash too.
 
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Which makes his refusal to respond to any comments about Smash Bros all the more suspicious. He and WayForward are deliberately ignoring those while other people like Phil Spencer have specifically talked about Smash.
So we know that, ultimately, Shantae was likely under NDA from after the Febuary 2016 interviews about Smash Bros 4. And with Phil Spencer lately mentioning Banjo-Kazooie in Smash freely while WF and Matt Bozon are dodging Smash Bros questions means quite a bit. As well, remember when Mewtwo was revealed back in October 23rd, 2014 with Mewtwo's release date being April 28th, 2015 means quite a bit. Yeah, I know they rehashed his models and updated his moveset, but we could reasonably assume it'll take as quick as six months to upwards to two years to fully realize a character, which means in great likelihood that Shantae may just be playable in Smash Ultimate!

...Oof, I had a tin hat on, my bad...
 

Paragon-Yoshi

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Who gives a **** about the game canon, most of the games have very little story or depth to begin with.
Little story, is still story.

I quote Bulbapedia:
According to the scientific logs found in the Pokémon Mansion of Cinnabar Island, Mewtwo was born of a pregnant Mew, found deep in the jungles of Guyana, whose embryo had been tampered with to alter its DNA. It was held and studied in the mansion where a scientist performed horrific gene-splicing experiments that made it vicious and extremely powerful. It eventually broke free of the Mansion, destroying it in the process, and fled.
That's Mewtwo's backstory.
It destroyed the mansion sure, but it didn't kill anybody.

The killing only happened in the anime and again, it doesn't represent Pokemon well.
And it's bad!
 
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Little story, is still story.

I quote Bulbapedia:

That's Mewtwo's backstory.
It destroyed the mansion sure, but it didn't kill anybody.

The killing only happened in the anime and again, it doesn't represent Pokemon well.
And it's bad!
I mean....you ca'nt really say that when the movie and anime were approved and worked on by staff of the games.
 

Paragon-Yoshi

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I mean....you ca'nt really say that when the movie and anime were approved and worked on by staff of the games.
Are you really sure that the people writing the anime, are the same people working on the games?
Given the many inconsistencies between games and anime, I find that hard to believe...

But either way, Mewtwo isn't a villain. More of an Anti-Hero.
And even then, he can be redeemed simply by catching him.

But I think we should stop talking about that here...
 

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Are you really sure that the people writing the anime, are the same people working on the games?
Given the many inconsistencies between games and anime, I find that hard to believe...

But either way, Mewtwo isn't a villain. More of an Anti-Hero.
And even then, he can be redeemed simply by catching him.

But I think we should stop talking about that here...
the japanese version of the movie has more scenes that make him far more sympathetic thats just what I want to end on here.
 

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The fact that there's been no credible leak mentioning Shantae could be an indicator of how effective WayForward's NDA has been. She could also be one of the last characters revealed or DLC.
 

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The only evidence people show for Incineroar are assumptions

1. Vergeben Leaks -- While Vergeben has been mostly correct so far so was the Gematsu leaker.
2. "We always get a new pokemon rep" -- Sakurai has a solid history of breaking trends.
3. Game Freak has been pushing Incineroar Hard -- IIRC Gamefreak has a history of pushing most if not all gen's Fire Starters hard. Beginning with Charizard.
 

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I'm almost certain of the NDA and don't believe any leaks, I feel that if she were an Assist Trophy, she'd be shown off right next to Shovel Knight since that makes way more sense than splitting up the two and showing Shantae later.
She could also be one of the last characters revealed or DLC.
I believe this too, though it'd suck if we get nothing but radio silence for over a year till DLC announcements start popping up. DLC doesn't even begin development till after the game comes out, so WF would have to be quiet for a long long long time.

Speaking of which, did anyone leak Shovel Knight's AT status before he was revealed?
No? The only "leak" was the Nintendo employees screwing up the music title before the direct. Yacht Club was also dead silent on Smash before SK's reveal as an AT much like WF's been doing with Shantae.
 
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AngrySun88

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I'm almost certain of the NDA and don't believe any leaks, I feel that if she were an Assist Trophy, she'd be shown off right next to Shovel Knight since that makes way more sense than splitting up the two and showing Shantae later.

I believe this too, though it'd suck if we get nothing but radio silence for over a year till DLC announcements start popping up. DLC doesn't even begin development till after the game comes out, so WF would have to be quiet for a long long long time.


No? The only "leak" was the Nintendo employees screwing up the music title before the direct. Yacht Club was also dead silent on Smash before SK's reveal as an AT much like WF's been doing with Shantae.
Agreed. If she is an assist trophy, why not show her right after Shovel Knight? "Hey, for the first time in Smash Bros history, we have not one, but two indie characters as assist trophies!" They ripped the band-aid off quickly for Waluigi and Ashley, so why drag out Shantae along if she's an assist trophy?

There has to be a reason why Matt and WayForward are acting so out of character.
 

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I'm almost certain of the NDA and don't believe any leaks, I feel that if she were an Assist Trophy, she'd be shown off right next to Shovel Knight since that makes way more sense than splitting up the two and showing Shantae later.
I feel this way too. That line up deconfirmed soo many wanted characters at once. I feel anyone else that would have been an Assist Trophy would have been thrown in to deconfirm them with that line up.
 

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When If Shantae gets in, how would you guys want her moveset to be? She kinda has more fighting styles than they could possibly fit into a Smash character.
  • Hair whipping
  • General physical attacks with her hips and legs (similar to how Mewtwo has tail moves, Smash characters often use the biggest parts of their models for moves)
  • Items like the Spike Balls, Storm Puffs, etc.
  • Pirate Tools
  • The Forms (pretty much HAVE to be present)
My hope is that she'll have her forms as her specials being quick transformations a la the new Mr. Game & Watch. Up-special for harpy, monkey & elephant spread in there and one of the other forms. Then the pirate tools or spells could be smash or other normal moves.
Or they could reverse that and have the spells and pirate tools be specials and the forms be her smash attacks, with the charging animation being her actual dance. harpy Up smash, monkey side smash, elephant down smash.
 

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I prefer she gets Pirates Curse moveset, but I know it wouldn't be in-character. By the end of the day, I'm sure she'll get a moveset I will hate, but still want her to EXIST in the game as a playable character. Also want that Shantae 4 final boss music to fight to...
 

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I don't think anyone's come up with a consensus on what we want her moveset to be like, to be honest. Some people want her transformations as smashes, some want them to be specials, some want them to be forms activated by a special move and a button combination. Some want all the pirate gear, some don't want it at all because it was only used to supplement a time when Shantae had no magic. Some want smashes to be the items and spells, some want them to be the fighting moves.
 

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Agreed. If she is an assist trophy, why not show her right after Shovel Knight? "Hey, for the first time in Smash Bros history, we have not one, but two indie characters as assist trophies!" They ripped the band-aid off quickly for Waluigi and Ashley, so why drag out Shantae along if she's an assist trophy?

There has to be a reason why Matt and WayForward are acting so out of character.
I must ask you, how long does the Smash Teams work on Assist trophies? I'm generally asking because I was thinking about YCG's silence over Shovel Knight in Smash vs WF's silence over Shantae in Smash. That and we know that the NDA on Shantae has been in effect for at least two years if we believe that her NDA started some time in mid-2016.
 

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I don't think anyone's come up with a consensus on what we want her moveset to be like, to be honest. Some people want her transformations as smashes, some want them to be specials, some want them to be forms activated by a special move and a button combination. Some want all the pirate gear, some don't want it at all because it was only used to supplement a time when Shantae had no magic. Some want smashes to be the items and spells, some want them to be the fighting moves.
Yeah, I think even Matt said there was a ton of possible movest's when he made his idea for a moveset. At the end of the day though, the moveset we get is gonna be the one Sakurai pictures.

It's also worth noting, Shantae is likely gonna have some sort of gimmick. As time has gone on, gimmicks have gotten more and more prominent in characters, especially third parties. It helps characters stand out a bit more, and is always why I did not have a hard time picturing Shantae with some sort of in depth transformation mechanic.
 

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I must ask you, how long does the Smash Teams work on Assist trophies? I'm generally asking because I was thinking about YCG's silence over Shovel Knight in Smash vs WF's silence over Shantae in Smash. That and we know that the NDA on Shantae has been in effect for at least two years if we believe that her NDA started some time in mid-2016.
https://twitter.com/YachtClubGames/status/1008465630981324800

If this tweet is to be believed, YCG didn't initiate total silence like WF has. Does this help Shantae's case?
 
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https://twitter.com/YachtClubGames/status/1008465630981324800

If this tweet is to be believed, YCG didn't initiate total silence like WF has. Does this help Shantae's case?
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I don't want to say anything, lest I risk being like Meg from Hercules and just going from "Oh yeah!" to "Oh ****!" in one fell swoop.
I can't find the scene without running into fandubs, but it's the one where Megara boasted in Hades' face that Hercules has no weakness.
Like a certain heat-seaking tank Stand
 

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I still don't buy the box theory, i think Ken and Incineroar will get in, but we're definitively getting DLC characters, and one of them has to be Shantae. She was as popular (or maybe even more) as Shovel Knight and her not being shown along him is very surprising.
I'll cling to the hope of seeing her being added to the game.
 
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I still don't buy the box theory, i think Ken and Incineroar will get in, but we're definitively getting DLC characters, and one of them has to be Shantae. She was as popular (or maybe even more) as Shovel Knight and her not being shown along him is very surprising.
I'll cling to the hope of seeing her being added to the game.
Why does everyone think two characters with ZERO evidence pointing to their inclusion will be in?
 

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Why does everyone think two characters with ZERO evidence pointing to their inclusion will be in?
I'm gonna say it, Ken would be unbelievably boring echo and also Incineroar, is not popular compared to the other two final evo starters in America OR Japan. In America it seems like Decidueye is the most popular and in Japan it's Primarina. Incineroar would just be another heavy fire pokemon. Boring.
 

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I still don't like that Nintendo follows Yacht Club Games on Twitter, but doesn't follow WayForward...
It might just be an employee/intern responsible for that social media simply being a big fan of Shovel Knight or other YCG products, but having not heard about Shantae or necessarily caring about WF's other products. It's not that uncommon, you know!
 

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Why does everyone think two characters with ZERO evidence pointing to their inclusion will be in?
Because Ken being the original "echo" fighter makes some form of sense. Though he and Shadow wouldn't have as much of a leg to stand on if Richter wasn't in. As for Incineroar...I have no idea, outside of Verg, I can't think of anything that points to the heel-cat, especially when he's far from the most popular out of the Gen 7 'mons.
 

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I'd still rather have Chun-Li, the queen of fighters, in the biggest crossover fighting game of all time, like she deserves to be, over Ken any day. Ken wouldn't kill me either, just Chun-Li deserves it more.
 

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I'd still rather have Chun-Li, the queen of fighters, in the biggest crossover fighting game of all time, like she deserves to be, over Ken any day. Ken wouldn't kill me either, just Chun-Li deserves it more.
Not gonna lie, that would be one of the better choices for a second SF character. Though I would love to see M. Bison or Akuma in this game in some fashion.
 
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