Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Deleted member]

Ok guys take this as you will. It seems that Nintendo has renewed the copyright for Golden Sun.

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Whether this means a new game or Issac is in Smash is up for debate. We will see come today's Direct.

Hmmmm.....

 

[SoupCanMafia]

A bit of optimism.

I got this idea from that one youtube video that was heavily supporting Shadow for Ultimate. It's possible that Sakurai might have seen all the votes for indie characters on the ballot and decided that he wanted to add an indie character. If this is the case, Shovel Knight would end up being the gift that keeps on giving. It could mean that, should he want to include an indie in the game from the outpouring of support, that Shantae may have actually absorbed all of Shovel Knight's votes from the ballot. And there actually is a precedent for this too.

Sakurai noted that, of all the requests for Final Fantasy characters, Cloud received about 1/4 to 1/3 of all the votes. Given the phrasing, it appears as though he was intent on representing Final Fantasy in some capacity due to its presence in the ballot. The only drawback here is that indies are multiple different games whereas Final Fantasy is one series (with a lot of clout). However, if you were to roll all the indies into a single category, it starts to gain some clout of its own as an entity. So to that I would say it entirely depends on how Sakurai sees this.

If he sees all of the support as a collective push for an indie character, Shantae might absorb all the other indie votes. If he sees them all as separate games and franchises, she'll get none of them. I think in the former's case it's helpful that there is a bit more homogeneity than is typical amongst franchises (given all of the cross-overs, indies direct and indie section). I don't know, it just seems like something to chew on.

I think we can reasonably expect that, between Shovel Knight and Shantae, they took a very noticeable chunk out of the ballot (not to mention whichever other indies were voted for). And I could see why Shovel Knight may have been shelved for this iteration (considering he only existed for a single year at the time of the ballot). Shantae, having been around a lot longer and being the, likely, next most popular indie character (or possibly even the most popular given her worldwide presence; who really knows?) would have been the most logical character to absorb all the other votes.

And then she ticks every single one of Sakurai's boxes for a newcomer in spades...

I'm just saying.

That reminds me of like a dream I had that was... odd to say the least. This time, the visuals were complete dogcrap and I couldn't make out anything, but the song "Dancing Through the Danger" was playing and it was more... electric and energetic than in the HGH game, like it was rearranged for Smash Ultimate.

 

[zferolie]

A bit of optimism.

I got this idea from that one youtube video that was heavily supporting Shadow for Ultimate. It's possible that Sakurai might have seen all the votes for indie characters on the ballot and decided that he wanted to add an indie character. If this is the case, Shovel Knight would end up being the gift that keeps on giving. It could mean that, should he want to include an indie in the game from the outpouring of support, that Shantae may have actually absorbed all of Shovel Knight's votes from the ballot. And there actually is a precedent for this too.

Sakurai noted that, of all the requests for Final Fantasy characters, Cloud received about 1/4 to 1/3 of all the votes. Given the phrasing, it appears as though he was intent on representing Final Fantasy in some capacity due to its presence in the ballot. The only drawback here is that indies are multiple different games whereas Final Fantasy is one series (with a lot of clout). However, if you were to roll all the indies into a single category, it starts to gain some clout of its own as an entity. So to that I would say it entirely depends on how Sakurai sees this.

If he sees all of the support as a collective push for an indie character, Shantae might absorb all the other indie votes. If he sees them all as separate games and franchises, she'll get none of them. I think in the former's case it's helpful that there is a bit more homogeneity than is typical amongst franchises (given all of the cross-overs, indies direct and indie section). I don't know, it just seems like something to chew on.

I think we can reasonably expect that, between Shovel Knight and Shantae, they took a very noticeable chunk out of the ballot (not to mention whichever other indies were voted for). And I could see why Shovel Knight may have been shelved for this iteration (considering he only existed for a single year at the time of the ballot). Shantae, having been around a lot longer and being the, likely, next most popular indie character (or possibly even the most popular given her worldwide presence; who really knows?) would have been the most logical character to absorb all the other votes.

And then she ticks every single one of Sakurai's boxes for a newcomer in spades...

I'm just saying.

QUite good points, and could be feasible for sure. I am sure Sakurai saw a lot of indie votes, and maybe that with the amount of votes shantae and Shovel knight got, would lean him into deciding to put an indie character in

 

[AngrySun88]

A bit of optimism.

I got this idea from that one youtube video that was heavily supporting Shadow for Ultimate. It's possible that Sakurai might have seen all the votes for indie characters on the ballot and decided that he wanted to add an indie character. If this is the case, Shovel Knight would end up being the gift that keeps on giving. It could mean that, should he want to include an indie in the game from the outpouring of support, that Shantae may have actually absorbed all of Shovel Knight's votes from the ballot. And there actually is a precedent for this too.

Sakurai noted that, of all the requests for Final Fantasy characters, Cloud received about 1/4 to 1/3 of all the votes. Given the phrasing, it appears as though he was intent on representing Final Fantasy in some capacity due to its presence in the ballot. The only drawback here is that indies are multiple different games whereas Final Fantasy is one series (with a lot of clout). However, if you were to roll all the indies into a single category, it starts to gain some clout of its own as an entity. So to that I would say it entirely depends on how Sakurai sees this.

If he sees all of the support as a collective push for an indie character, Shantae might absorb all the other indie votes. If he sees them all as separate games and franchises, she'll get none of them. I think in the former's case it's helpful that there is a bit more homogeneity than is typical amongst franchises (given all of the cross-overs, indies direct and indie section). I don't know, it just seems like something to chew on.

I think we can reasonably expect that, between Shovel Knight and Shantae, they took a very noticeable chunk out of the ballot (not to mention whichever other indies were voted for). And I could see why Shovel Knight may have been shelved for this iteration (considering he only existed for a single year at the time of the ballot). Shantae, having been around a lot longer and being the, likely, next most popular indie character (or possibly even the most popular given her worldwide presence; who really knows?) would have been the most logical character to absorb all the other votes.

And then she ticks every single one of Sakurai's boxes for a newcomer in spades...

I'm just saying.

Good points.

Let's also consider the fact that out of any third party/indie character, Shantae will be the easiest to get.

Square will no doubt be stingy to deal with for Geno, same with Microsoft with Banjo, while WayForward and Matt would jump at the chance for Shantae in Smash. They'd probably let Sakurai use her for free considering how big fans they are.

There is simply no legitimate reason why Shantae shouldn't be a fighter.

 

[Kuon]

The Golden Sun renewal may just be a coincidence, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Isaac makes it in, because of how heavily requested he is and how Sakurai has been choosing the newcomers based on fan requests

 

[GoldLiger]

Less than 7 hours to go!!! Hype is slowly building.

 

[Freelance Spy]

The Golden Sun renewal may just be a coincidence, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Isaac makes it in, because of how heavily requested he is and how Sakurai has been choosing the newcomers based on fan requests

I believe Isaac is a clear lock, all of my research for Shantae had me discover all kinds of trends. Isaac has more support than anyone other than krool as a first party and there's serious clout to him being hinted at.

Which is good for me because he's in my top 5 most wanted, after Shantae, Skull Kid, Crash, and Spyro respectively.

I honestly feel like this is my lucky day.

 

[Deleted member]

Good points.

Let's also consider the fact that out of any third party/indie character, Shantae will be the easiest to get.

Square will no doubt be stingy to deal with for Geno, same with Microsoft with Banjo, while WayForward and Matt would jump at the chance for Shantae in Smash. They'd probably let Sakurai use her for free considering how big fans they are.

There is simply no legitimate reason why Shantae shouldn't be a fighter.

Yes shantae has a great chance now I feel like she’s coming today (I think)

 

[Teeb147]

At least I didn't sleep too late today. I'll mostly be around the hours before the direct, with all the hype mounting

Isaac wasn't shown any love in smash 4, so to me his chances are lower than some others, but they're still all part of the top contenders, and don't feel like debating tho, let's just say everything's game and we get to see what comes.

We get to see what nintendo's prepared for us smashers & fans today. Good luck all and enjoy the ride.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

At least I didn't sleep too late today. I'll mostly be around the hours before the direct, with all the hype mounting

Isaac wasn't shown any love in smash 4, so to me his chances are lower than some others, but they're still all part of the top contenders, and don't feel like debating tho, let's just say everything's game and we get to see what comes.

We get to see what nintendo's prepared for us smashers & fans today. Good luck all and enjoy the ride.

Well I did get to sleep too late, I keep accidentally falling asleep when it's now broad daylight.

 

[AngrySun88]

For me, the top six likely original newcomers are Geno, Issac, Bandana Dee, Shantae, a Pokemon, and a sixth character we won't see coming. I still see characters like Banjo as DLC. None of these characters are an 100% lock, however, but some do have more evidence than others. I also believe that there are only six original characters left for the base roster.

 

[zferolie]

For me, the top six likely original newcomers are Geno, Issac, Bandana Dee, Shantae, a Pokemon, and a sixth character we won't see coming. I still see characters like Banjo as DLC. None of these characters are an 100% lock, however, but some do have more evidence than others. I also believe that there are only six original characters left for the base roster.

The 6th is probably a retro character. My want is Donbe and Hikari, but my most likely pick is Lip.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

The 6th is probably a retro character. My want is Donbe and Hikari, but my most likely pick is Lip.

Lip from Panel de Pon? Sakurai is catering for both the Japanese and Western fans more than ever for this game, so I don't think he would add a character from such an obscure Japan exclusize puzzle game.

 

[Kuon]

For me, the top six likely original newcomers are Geno, Issac, Bandana Dee, Shantae, a Pokemon, and a sixth character we won't see coming. I still see characters like Banjo as DLC. None of these characters are an 100% lock, however, but some do have more evidence than others. I also believe that there are only six original characters left for the base roster.

Why do you think there will be six more newcomers?

 

[Teeb147]

Why do you think there will be six more newcomers?

He probably means possibilities for the base roster.
Although it's still possible for there to be 6 original ones, but I think 3-4 makes more sense. I wouldn't mind as many as we can get tho :D

I agree with that list, though nintendo can surprise us too. We'll just have to see

 

[Veodok]

Why do you think there will be six more newcomers?

2-3 reveals per month (including echoes), 3 months left (including this month). So I'd say we're going to get 6-9 more characters. That would put us at a total of 14-17 newcomers for Ultimate, and that lines up with the range that Melee, Brawl, and Sm4sh got. At least that's why I think so.

 

[MajestyIndigo]

6 hours left and this song summs up my building stress for Shantae...

 

[Kuon]

2-3 reveals per month (including echoes), 3 months left (including this month). So I'd say we're going to get 6-9 more characters. That would put us at a total of 14-17 newcomers for Ultimate, and that lines up with the range that Melee, Brawl, and Sm4sh got. At least that's why I think so.

So we've got two newcomers in June, zero in July, two in August, possibly one or two today, maybe two or three more in October, and maybe two or three more in November? I don't know how serious Sakurai was when he said not to expect too many new fighters, but I think ten to twelve unique fighters in total is a fair guess, but you may be right. We may get fourteen to seventeen in total, but if they did that, they'd have to reveal ten more unique fighters before the game comes out, which seems like a lot to me. Maybe I'm wrong though.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Well it's about 5:40 PM over here.
Which means the Direct will go live very late here.

I am getting a little nervous actually. ^^;

Shantae is that one last character I really want in.
If she makes it, I am completely satisfied and the game will truly be "Ultimate" for me.


I know she has a shot. I am just hoping it hits the mark.

 

[Teeb147]

So we've got two newcomers in June, zero in July, two in August, possibly one or two today, maybe two or three more in October, and maybe two or three more in November? I don't know how serious Sakurai was when he said not to expect too many new fighters, but I think ten to twelve unique fighters in total is a fair guess, but you may be right. We may get fourteen to seventeen in total, but if they did that, they'd have to reveal ten more unique fighters before the game comes out, which seems like a lot to me. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Veo was counting the echos too. We can get quite a few echos since they're not too much work.
I think a good range is 4 to 5 echos, but don't quote me on that. could be more, easily, or less

 

[Frosty Pops]

Hello Shantae fans, I am from the Isaac supporters (obviously by my profile pic). Wishing you guys luck on getting her. If any indie character has a chance to get in Smash it is her.

 

[zferolie]

Lip from Panel de Pon? Sakurai is catering for both the Japanese and Western fans more than ever for this game, so I don't think he would add a character from such an obscure Japan exclusize puzzle game.

Well the Panel De Pon games are the puzzel league games here in america. PLus Lip's stick is the only item in the game that has a franchise not represented as a character in the game. Plus she could represent puzzel games as a whole, maybe even tetris and Puyo pop?

Why do you think there will be six more newcomers?

well my guess is we will have a final count of 84 characters. right now we have 71 with how they are counting (pokemon trainer is 1, echos are counted, and mii fighter counts as 3). Why I think 84 is that they need a base game roster size to fight that Smash down mode, as you can probaly play the mode with 2-4 fighters, so the roster should be divisible by 2, 3, and 4, and 84 is the next number. That means we should be getting 13 more fighters.

I am leaning towards either 5 more newcomers and 8 more echos, or 6 more newcomers and 7 more echos. the later is my prefered honestly

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Wish you guys the best of luck for Shantae.

 

[Teeb147]

Well the Panel De Pon games are the puzzel league games here in america. PLus Lip's stick is the only item in the game that has a franchise not represented as a character in the game. Plus she could represent puzzel games as a whole, maybe even tetris and Puyo pop?



well my guess is we will have a final count of 84 characters. right now we have 71 with how they are counting (pokemon trainer is 1, echos are counted, and mii fighter counts as 3). Why I think 84 is that they need a base game roster size to fight that Smash down mode, as you can probaly play the mode with 2-4 fighters, so the roster should be divisible by 2, 3, and 4, and 84 is the next number. That means we should be getting 13 more fighters.

I am leaning towards either 5 more newcomers and 8 more echos, or 6 more newcomers and 7 more echos. the later is my prefered honestly

Actually the pokemon trainer counts as 3 too. 67 original + 4 echos. 84 would make sense too. I think it'll be higher with dlc tho.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

What time is it where you guys live? Currently its 11:45 here in Canada. I live in Ontario.

16:47 over here.

 

[Jazzy Jinx]

What time is it where you guys live? Currently its 11:45 here in Canada. I live in Ontario.

10:48 AM for me.

I live in Louisiana.~ (Thanks for the Acadians.)

 

[Wademan94]

I think one thing’s for sure about the final roster count, it’ll have to be a multiple of 4 in order for the Smashdown mode to keep all 4 players at the end

 

[MajestyIndigo]

I live in France, it's 17:50 and the direct will be at midnight over here ^^ Got classes in the morning but whatever xD

 

[Kuon]

Well the Panel De Pon games are the puzzel league games here in america. PLus Lip's stick is the only item in the game that has a franchise not represented as a character in the game. Plus she could represent puzzel games as a whole, maybe even tetris and Puyo pop?



well my guess is we will have a final count of 84 characters. right now we have 71 with how they are counting (pokemon trainer is 1, echos are counted, and mii fighter counts as 3). Why I think 84 is that they need a base game roster size to fight that Smash down mode, as you can probaly play the mode with 2-4 fighters, so the roster should be divisible by 2, 3, and 4, and 84 is the next number. That means we should be getting 13 more fighters.

I am leaning towards either 5 more newcomers and 8 more echos, or 6 more newcomers and 7 more echos. the later is my prefered honestly

I don't think they have to have the number divisible by two, three, and four for Smash Down. My guess is that once the remaining characters is less than the number of players, the game ends

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Wish you guys the best of luck for Shantae.

12 to five here. Goes live at 11 PM where I am.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I live in France, it's 17:50 and the direct will be at midnight over here ^^ Got classes in the morning but whatever xD

So, technically you're watching the direct tomorrow? For me, the direct is starting 23:00.

 

[zferolie]

Actually the pokemon trainer counts as 3 too. 67 original + 4 echos. 84 would make sense too. I think it'll be higher with dlc tho.

You sure about that? I think the website says otherwise.

Yeah, while there are 3 fighters for Pokemon trainer, they are still under 1 character

I don't think they have to have the number divisible by two, three, and four for Smash Down. My guess is that once the remaining characters is less than the number of players, the game ends

That is also possible, but also seems odd to do. Like would an OCD like Sakurai make a mode that requires all the characters to be played once and you couldn't actually use every fighter?

 

[Teeb147]

You sure about that? I think the website says otherwise.

Yeah, while there are 3 fighters for Pokemon trainer, they are still under 1 character

look at number 33+
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/index.html

 

[zferolie]

look at number 33+

https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/index.html

Yeah, that may be 3 different fighting styles, which that one fighting page counts with numbers, but the actual total selectable fighters on the screen is the actual total amount. Like you can select pokemon trainer, not Squrtle, ivysaur, and charizard. yeah you can choose to only be 1 but they are basically 3 characters in 1.

 

[MajestyIndigo]

So, technically you're watching the direct tomorrow?

Uhm yeah I guess so xD

(Oh and I hope my mom is not (very) secretly a smash and a Shantae fan visiting this thread, I would be dead about the "whatever classes" line... xD
But in case... )
Hi mom that was a joke of course :"D

(Ok I start raving over excitement sorry about that xD )

 

[Teeb147]

Yeah, that may be 3 different fighting styles, which that one fighting page counts with numbers, but the actual total selectable fighters on the screen is the actual total amount. Like you can select pokemon trainer, not Squrtle, ivysaur, and charizard. yeah you can choose to only be 1 but they are basically 3 characters in 1.

They'll be 1 spot on the select screen, yeah, but they count as 3 fighters.

Were you talking for just about the new mode? I do think that there will be something that makes it that either you can't select if there isn't enough, like mentioned, or that there can be a re-selection in some cases.
Because it will entirely depend on how many dlc characters someone has. not everyone is going to buy them all.

 

[GoldLiger]

6 Hours to go people. We are almost there. Hopefully I can play that new SK game that came out today to waste time.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Well personally I think they will announce two newcomers at this direct, one unique and the other an echo.

My most likely picks are Isabelle and Shantae (duh) but they could very well announce someone like Isaac or Shadow, and I would be perfectly happy with that. I'm completely fine with every character, I'm always hyped nonetheless, I'd only be displeased by characters like Goku or Shrek.

 

[Teeb147]

Well personally I think they will announce two newcomers at this direct, one unique and the other an echo.

My most likely picks are Isabelle and Shantae (duh) but they could very well announce someone like Isaac or Shadow, and I would be perfectly happy with that. I'm completely fine with every character, I'm always hyped nonetheless, I'd only be displeased by characters like Goku or Shrek.

Well, Cloud is basically Goku with a sword, in some ways, so it might be able to work, but unless he'd be super fun, I'd prefer not to have him in too

Here's something that hasn't been talked about, I think, and it'd be a new mii fighter, as a magic caster. I think that could be a cool reveal too, since mii fighters can also have costumes. I thought about putting up a support thread for something like that, but for now it's just an idea I had.

 

[zferolie]

Oh i just realized something. That renewing IP thing Nintendo only just did today? Why would they have done it today if they planned to have announcments for them in this direct? this direct was meant for last week, so if they planned something, the renewals would have happened last week.

I think that adds to the confirmation that they basically did this to keep their rights. Doesn't mean we aren't getting something, but I doubt it means we get it today