Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Yeah, the new things in Risky's Revenge clashed a lot with the old ones from the original.
It was suddenly less serious and (even) more funny and ridiculous.
Not to mention that arabic sounding music tracks never made a return.

But I guess that's also a byproduct of the next game coming out many years after the original.
If the GBA sequel would've actually been completed and released properly...
And if more Shantae games could've been made between the release of the original and the time Risky's Revenge came out...
I think things would've changed more gradually and less abruptly.

 

[meleebrawler]

Not to mention that arabic sounding music tracks never made a return.

Let's not ignore the many Burning Town remixes and half of Pirate's Curse's soundtrack being remixes of the originals. Not to mention the character themes (Risky, Sky/Bath House, Uncle Mimic/Bolo).

Even leaving aside actual returning tracks, plenty of the new ones still do have arabic compositions, if not necessarily instrumentation. It's just not omnipresent like in the original with it's smaller variety.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Well, that's how it is. It took ages and budget for the sequel to even get made at all.

If you think that's abrupt, imagine how confused the Japanese fans must have felt when the first game they got was right in the middle of a story arc (which, incidentally, also had to be modified since the episodic game structure plans fell through).

 

[SoupCanMafia]

There is another somewhat interesting discrepancy that I feel the need to note, or rather something amusing:
In Shantae 1: the most complicated technology known to Shantae's world is modern hygiene what I'd interpret as being Pirate Era technology (or Colonial Age), with tappings into Steampunk Technology. And in Risky's Revenge, you now have fantastical robotics, Modern Era-esque weaponry (with Steel as a primary ingredient), and eventual Industrial Era/Modern Era trinkets. I just find it amusing how, after Shantae GBC, Risky's Revenge onwards started to deal more with later era technologies

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I figure that those relic hunters must be getting better and better at finding stuff.

Either that, or WF simply wanting to remain hip with Millenial kids.

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[Paragon-Yoshi]

There is another somewhat interesting discrepancy that I feel the need to note, or rather something amusing:
In Shantae 1: the most complicated technology known to Shantae's world is modern hygiene what I'd interpret as being Pirate Era technology (or Colonial Age), with tappings into Steampunk Technology. And in Risky's Revenge, you now have fantastical robotics, Modern Era-esque weaponry (with Steel as a primary ingredient), and eventual Industrial Era/Modern Era trinkets. I just find it amusing how, after Shantae GBC, Risky's Revenge onwards started to deal more with later era technologies

Interesting obversation.

Kinda makes you wonder, if technology in Shantae went the exact same way it did in Breath of the Wild.
Being used by a race in the distant past, only for it to be abolished shortly after.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

In any case, some sort of big disaster had to have affected them even worse afterwards, like Calamity Ganon. Only in this case, it would presumably involve Pirate Master/the Jinns.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Good point.

Heck, the ship in Seven Sirens pretty much was forgotten technology, that died with their race.
So who knows what more is out there, yet to be discovered?

 

[meleebrawler]

In any case, some sort of big disaster had to have affected them even worse afterwards, like Calamity Ganon. Only in this case, it would presumably involve Pirate Master/the Jinns.

Maybe the land we know as Sequin Land is just a small portion of the world, and people like Ammo & Techno Baron get their tech elsewhere (not too much of a stretch when you see where the former's brother lives, and remember, Ammo buys his stuff, not excavate). Video games and possibly movies exist too, according to one reboot-pondering NPC and especially Squid Baron. Yet Mimic treats a bicycle like flashy new tech.

...Maybe relic hunters like him and Sky's dad are just really out of touch. It doesn't seem hard to find modern tech in that world if you know where to look.

Good point.

Heck, the ship in Seven Sirens pretty much was forgotten technology, that died with their race.
So who knows what more is out there, yet to be discovered?

Are you talking before or after Seven Sirens? Because those sirens obviously weren't dead when their ship first sunk, actively feeding on anyone who came near.

The most unique thing about said ship is it being solar powered, which I guess is a cut above steam and electric power in complexity, but it otherwise doesn't seem that far ahead of Ammo Baron's airships.

 

[SoupCanMafia]

Maybe the land we know as Sequin Land is just a small portion of the world, and people like Ammo & Techno Baron get their tech elsewhere (not too much of a stretch when you see where the former's brother lives, and remember, Ammo buys his stuff, not excavate). Video games and possibly movies exist too, according to one reboot-pondering NPC and especially Squid Baron. Yet Mimic treats a bicycle like flashy new tech.

...Maybe relic hunters like him and Sky's dad are just really out of touch. It doesn't seem hard to find modern tech in that world if you know where to look.



Are you talking before or after Seven Sirens? Because those sirens obviously weren't dead when their ship first sunk, actively feeding on anyone who came near.

The most unique thing about said ship is it being solar powered, which I guess is a cut above steam and electric power in complexity, but it otherwise doesn't seem that far ahead of Ammo Baron's airships.

I think that might be the major joke, that while modern technology is starting to become more accessible, things like Bicycles are still major curiosity pieces, since that can at least bring into how the previous civilization (eg. us) lived in a world without reliable magic.

Eh, as for their actual technology, I would say it's far beyond current Human solar technologies, considering they're ridiculously efficient for getting the Siren Airship from what I'd imagine being about 5% power (simple lighting and presumably live support systems) to 100% without much in the way of lag. And the power output they do have is also a major cut above humanity's own, being they are able to make a Laputan Machine that can reliably stay in the air. Though that can also be magitech, a meshing together of human technology and magic.

 

[meleebrawler]

I think that might be the major joke, that while modern technology is starting to become more accessible, things like Bicycles are still major curiosity pieces, since that can at least bring into how the previous civilization (eg. us) lived in a world without reliable magic.

Eh, as for their actual technology, I would say it's far beyond current Human solar technologies, considering they're ridiculously efficient for getting the Siren Airship from what I'd imagine being about 5% power (simple lighting and presumably live support systems) to 100% without much in the way of lag. And the power output they do have is also a major cut above humanity's own, being they are able to make a Laputan Machine that can reliably stay in the air. Though that can also be magitech, a meshing together of human technology and magic.

Airships supposedly are powered at least partially by magic carpets according to one girl...

In fairness to how quickly the airship gained power, you did just happen to jump-start it with a charged lightning rod or whatever.

 

[SoupCanMafia]

Airships supposedly are powered at least partially by magic carpets according to one girl...

In fairness to how quickly the airship gained power, you did just happen to jump-start it with a charged lightning rod or whatever.

Oh, right, the charged Rod. So yeah, at first it'd be about 5%, enough for basic lighting and life support, then I would say around 25% with the Rod, considering that Sky and Bolo had to vent energy to make sure the Airship won't self-destruct and level the Island and its inhabitants into atoms, though that's not enough for it to fly. As for the airship with magic carpet stuffs, I think that mainly applies to passenger and maybe the Ammonian Ships. Considering that Sirens have enough magic to suck up Half-Genie lifeforces if not just outright Genie lifeforces, they may have used more powerful magics to allow the Siren Airship to fly without the aide of magic carpets.

 

[meleebrawler]

Oh, right, the charged Rod. So yeah, at first it'd be about 5%, enough for basic lighting and life support, then I would say around 25% with the Rod, considering that Sky and Bolo had to vent energy to make sure the Airship won't self-destruct and level the Island and its inhabitants into atoms, though that's not enough for it to fly. As for the airship with magic carpet stuffs, I think that mainly applies to passenger and maybe the Ammonian Ships. Considering that Sirens have enough magic to suck up Half-Genie lifeforces if not just outright Genie lifeforces, they may have used more powerful magics to allow the Siren Airship to fly without the aide of magic carpets.

There's some magic or anti-gravity tech going on there, no doubt. However, it's debatable how much the Sirens actually know about the tech they use; I'd argue it's only the Coral Siren specifically that seems to be tech-savvy, the rest either don't nest near technology nor use it actively. Which is made all the more intriguing in that her species isn't as clear as the others, being more human-like than even Lobster Girl (supposedly she is based off of a seahorse, but unless she has a well-hidden prehensile tail I'm not seeing it). Perhaps the life draining is actually a technique that can be learned by any species, with the title of Siren simply being an indicator of you actively using it?

I mean, many of them do seem somewhat limited in how they can move around the world due to either physical limitations or, with one sunbathing exception, fearing the light of day (deep-sea dwelling will do that to you). Maybe a deal was struck in ancient times with a group of tech-savvy humans: an airship in exchange for the secret to eternal life, and the person we know as Coral Siren today is the only survivor.

 

[Teeb147]

WayForward not talking about smash has been on my mind. I did search on twitter and didnt find anything after they mentioned the spirit in smash. Considering that it's a pretty big achievement, you would think that they'd mention it or share something around it for fun. And there's still plenty of people talking about shantae as a fighter for smash, but they don't comment.

All I'm saying, is that it gives me a little bit of hope that something more of shantae could be in smash

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Speaking of mentions, they brought up Ducktales Remastered for the second time this year (first was for the Milestones), they must be really proud of that one.

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Anyway, art dump, because I'm bored and want to kill time until the Fighterz news stream.

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[WingedSupernova]

Speaking of mentions, they brought up Ducktales Remastered for the second time this year (first was for the Milestones), they must be really proud of that one.

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Anyway, art dump, because I'm bored and want to kill time until the Fighterz news stream.

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Oh man I can't wait for the new exclusive old Goku reveal

 

[Genome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725764522161340456/744577755659894794/Screenshot_2020-08-16_at_11.25.30_AM.png

A meme I made with Shantae and Ajna.

To relate to the current conversation in this thread, Shantae GBC is my favorite Shantae game because of how it treats technology. It's so much more interesting seeing how a single steam engine impacts the entire planet than than Shantae beating up Ammo Baron in a tank just because.

 

[SoupCanMafia]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725764522161340456/744577755659894794/Screenshot_2020-08-16_at_11.25.30_AM.png

A meme I made with Shantae and Ajna.

To relate to the current conversation in this thread, Shantae GBC is my favorite Shantae game because of how it treats technology. It's so much more interesting seeing how a single steam engine impacts the entire planet than than Shantae beating up Ammo Baron in a tank just because.

I usually don't correlate Shantae and Ajna as being two sides of the same coin. Ajna being more of a Hindu-inspired being while Shantae is more of the Anglicized version of Middle Eastern beings.

As for the conversation started because of my curiosity of how technology has shaped the world, it would be intriguing if WF did decide to step back from the advanced steampunk technology and see how certain technologies would make the characters react (eg. horror when finding schematics for the atomic bomb, wonder and pseudo confusion on Shantae's end to find a combustion-powered aeroplane schematic, stuff like that). Actually, that is one of the only things that I think is the only thing that does hearken back to the Golden Age of Piracy, is that there are no specifically piercing bullets (eg. modern ammunition) and Ammo's tanks fire cannonballs instead of modern tank shells. It's weird.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Oh man I can't wait for the new exclusive old Goku reveal

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The fighter is old all right, but not Goku.

 

[meleebrawler]

I usually don't correlate Shantae and Ajna as being two sides of the same coin. Ajna being more of a Hindu-inspired being while Shantae is more of the Anglicized version of Middle Eastern beings.

As for the conversation started because of my curiosity of how technology has shaped the world, it would be intriguing if WF did decide to step back from the advanced steampunk technology and see how certain technologies would make the characters react (eg. horror when finding schematics for the atomic bomb, wonder and pseudo confusion on Shantae's end to find a combustion-powered aeroplane schematic, stuff like that). Actually, that is one of the only things that I think is the only thing that does hearken back to the Golden Age of Piracy, is that there are no specifically piercing bullets (eg. modern ammunition) and Ammo's tanks fire cannonballs instead of modern tank shells. It's weird.

What about those weapon-grade laser defence systems on Ammo Baron's airships? We still haven't reached widespread application of those in real life as opposed to just triggering alarms. Oh, and airships period.

Not having regular bullets just seems to be that tried-and-tested cartoon tactic to include firearms while keeping ratings down.

 

[MeteoRain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725764522161340456/744577755659894794/Screenshot_2020-08-16_at_11.25.30_AM.png

A meme I made with Shantae and Ajna.

To relate to the current conversation in this thread, Shantae GBC is my favorite Shantae game because of how it treats technology. It's so much more interesting seeing how a single steam engine impacts the entire planet than than Shantae beating up Ammo Baron in a tank just because.

I find it more amusing how Trigger turned out to have made their own cute character that also shapeshifts into animals.

 

[Jorichi]

Looks like our Asian friends are getting some extra love as they are getting a pretty sweet pre-order bonus for The Seven Sirens!

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I'm a bit jelly, not going to lie XD

 

[WingedSupernova]

Looks like our Asian friends are getting some extra love as they are getting a pretty sweet pre-order bonus for The Seven Sirens!

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I'm a bit jelly, not going to lie XD

The biggest thing of note there to me is that Seven Sirens is releasing in Japan on October 30th.

https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1295344648748240896?s=19

INDIE SHOWCASE ON MY BIRTHDAY WOOOOOO

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Looks like the projected date was off by a day, pfft. Still though, it's a good sign; Indie Showcases usually are followed by a mini/general Direct a week or two afterwards.

I wonder if anything interesting will crop up in this one, seeing as Cadence of Hyrule apparently couldn't wait to have its DLC stuff announced.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

At this point, I just wish for the health and welfare of the Shantae franchise to flourish. I think I can wait until Smash 6 or Smash 7 for Shantae to get in. With Covid delaying everything, I almost don't care anymore on who the rest of Ultimate's newcomers are as I just want to get it over with. This game already gave me K. Rool, Ridley, and Banjo & Kazooie so I've already won regardless of who else is left.

 

[Shinuto]

At this point, I just wish for the health and welfare of the Shantae franchise to flourish. I think I can wait until Smash 6 or Smash 7 for Shantae to get in. With Covid delaying everything, I almost don't care anymore on who the rest of Ultimate's newcomers are as I just want to get it over with. This game already gave me K. Rool, Ridley, and Banjo & Kazooie so I've already won regardless of who else is left.

I can't....I just want it NOW I want Shantae now dammit

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I can't....I just want it NOW I want Shantae now dammit

I want her too. But it's not going to be the end of the world for me if she doesn't make it into Ultimate.

 

[Shinuto]

I want her too. But it's not going to be the end of the world for me if she doesn't make it into Ultimate.

YES IT WILL!

 

[RetrogamerMax]

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Our girl is getting more popular as time goes on and she is staying relavent as WayForward keeping pumping out new Shantae games every 3 to 4 years. She still has a chance in Smash 6 or Smash 7 if she doesn't make it into Ultimate.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Good grief, Crash fans waited 10 years for a new original game, then surely 6 years for Shantae getting in Smash is nothing compared to that. Be patient.

Unfortunately, Sports Story won't be getting updates any time soon, since its scope increased too much: https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/08/switch_exclusive_sports_story_has_been_delayed

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I'm confident whether it's Ultimate or a future Smash game, Shantae will inevitably join the roster someday due to her increasing popularity.

 

[Shinuto]

Good grief, Crash fans waited 10 years for a new original game, then surely 6 years for Shantae getting in Smash is nothing compared to that. Be patient.

Unfortunately, Sports Story won't be getting updates any time soon, since its scope increased too much: https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/08/switch_exclusive_sports_story_has_been_delayed

Nope.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Shame about Sports Story but frankly I'm getting used to delays in this world of ours.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

It begs the question, what is even there left that's noteworthy to announce in the Indie Showcase? No More Heroes barely squeaks by as indie enough.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

It begs the question, what is even there left that's noteworthy to announce in the Indie Showcase? No More Heroes barely squeaks by as indie enough.

Wasn't Yacht Club games working on another project that wasn't Shovel Knight? What's going on with that?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Wasn't Yacht Club games working on another project that wasn't Shovel Knight? What's going on with that?

That is true. Not a peep has been said about that since their presentation.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Did Pizza Tower get released?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Did Pizza Tower get released?

Nah, just the demos still.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Yacht Club Games project
Pizza Tower

What else?

I'm thinking of checking out Bug Fables as Arlo gave a great review on it saying it's a good spiritual successor to PMTTYD.

 

[Megadoomer]

It begs the question, what is even there left that's noteworthy to announce in the Indie Showcase? No More Heroes barely squeaks by as indie enough.

Rivals of Aether? We know the Definitive Edition's coming to the Switch and Steam in September, so if they're going to announce a release date, now seems like it's as good of a time as any.

People are speculating that we'll get news on Hollow Knight Silksong, but I think they speculate that after every Direct announcement unless it's specific to one game. I doubt we'd get an Ori and the Will of the Wisps announcement, though it would be great if we did.

Does Scott Pilgrim count as indie? (I just want that game to be re-released)