Vote: Zalak
By saying he just wants to get people talking shortly after making his accusation, Zalak basically tells Jay (and everyone else) that they don't need to respond to the accusation because it's baseless. He acknowledges that it seems weird to drop a push so suddenly which means he understands this, but he still makes the informed decision to worry about his appearance over getting people to talk.
Jay already responded to Zalak's push here:
That's because I wasn't quite sure how to reply to a question that seemed to expect a rational answer when it was the beginning of the game, when no facts were present.
Why would he keep a facade up if he feels that his accusation has been accounted for and dealt with? I personally see it as more of a "I'm done here, so I'm moving off of this before people pointlessly accuse me of still being associated with any Jay push."
tfw Bardull reads the thread and doesn't post anything
That said, I agree with Kary that Bardull coming in to read and like a post or two without posting is annoying.
Can we not?
At this point, I'm more interested in Kary, but that's probably only because he's the one who started the game up, and did so in a bold manner that caught my eye. ( That's not scum, just eye catching for me. )
Why do you want to look at Kary more just because of the fact that he started the game off in a bold way? Why is this specifically not scummy, but still worth pointing out?
Well..you could've just let the two talk it out. That's the only point I wanted to make.
I don't know... I think Zalak made it pretty clear that he wasn't going to take it any further when he posted "I just want to get people talking", so I don't understand why you're pointing this out as Kantrip stopping discussion.
Slow down. The game has been going on for a day and a half and you're already haphazardly throwing suspicion around. I asked Zalak because I thought it'd be a good thing to ask, which doesn't include your opinion of it.
the notable difference between me and you is that Zalak quoted me and I responded, you threw yourself onto him 
At this point one fourth of the deadline has passed. I'm not sure why you're trying to tell Kantrip to slow down, especially with the small amount of posts that have been generated so far.
My problem is I can think of only one reason you would jump in as a townie, and it seems unlikely. If you favor breadth over depth, then I suppose it makes sense for you to begin questioning me, but it doesn't seem characteristic for someone of your skill level to be prematurely ending a push on someone. If we were locked in an argument for pages, going around in circles, ignoring everyone else, then I could agree with what you did, but the Jay discussion had JUST STARTED. That mafia icon tells me you're not a rookie, so that doesn't seem like a likely scenario to me.
Now I'll briefly describe my PRIMARY mafia!Kantrip theories.
1. You were trying to keep up appearances. This is always the first thing that pops into my head when people do things that seem counter-productive to me. You don't want people to think you're hiding in the shadows, so you make a post questioning me. You want people to think you intend to move the game forward.
2. You could have been diverting attention away from yourself, or anyone involved in the Jay discussion.
Jay and I were not the only ones involved in that discussion though, but I suppose questioning me doesn't directly stop them from continuing their part in the discussion. Still, it moves the spotlight away from them.
Lastly, I'm not saying I read you as mafia or anything. I'm just trying to describe how your posts seemed off to me.
This post is really weird to me.
Normally when you have a discussion with someone, you keep it going yourself. You left yourself open to have other people jump into the discussion when you stated that you were just trying to get people to post on top of not responding to Jay's response to you.
I don't understand where you personally made it obvious that the discussion was still going, especially to someone that realized you were just wanting to get discussion going prior to you stating it yourself. With this point in mind, I don't understand why you're trying to put a possible Kantrip scum route as an option (regardless of how you feel about pursuing that route yourself).
man, remember Fire Emblem (Circus') when I scumread you and no-one else saw it? Good times.
Just so we're clear, Orbo seemed kinda defensive in the very early posts of the game, and now Rake has come in hyperposting a bunch, but without any clear agenda, and what seems like a lot of fluff. None of their responses to being called scum fill me with confidence either.
Vote: FullMetalLynch
I have no idea why you stated either of the first two posts, expected FML to take them seriously in the slightest, and then voted him (partially) for it.
Vote: FullMetalLynch
btw Kary, what are your thoughts on my comments about you?
I'm keeping my eye on you. This is a really weird vote in comparison with your other votes.
There's a problem I'm going to have with this game and it's that some people (without showing too much bias) really are easy lynch scapegoats based on their playstyle alone. What FML is doing right now is teetering between dumbtown or scum and it's hard to exactly pin it if you've played with Rake before. If you take it at face value: Rake's scummy. Kary's vote is fine. That's why I unvoted him because I think it's a good push but there's also this thing called the Rake effect which I really don't want to see happen in this game because it's a waste of time, and I can see it coming into full force if FML becomes the main target. FML aren't strong scum players, they will become obvious by day two at best.
Without sounding like a broken record, I'm worried more about the inactive right now.
Why is Kary's FML vote understandable? I understand that FML said some... questionable things, but at least one third of Kary's vote (probably two thirds... the whole Rake being aggressive and having fluff thing doesn't really make sense to me as a scum read) is poorly constructed and suspicious.
Yes, we should all sit on our hands and offer absolutely no reads or analysis, as per your example.
I fail to see the reasoning behind stating this, as this has no correlation with the thoughts Gheb has presented. That is unless you feel that him saying something along the lines of "I fail to see why people are giving Zalak a get out of jail town card without passing go" equates to "we should not form opinions on anyone." or that you feel that he has no right to say these types of things without showing his own hand, something you shouldn't be expecting from Gheb at this point honestly.
Vote: Gorf
These two posts massively stink, it would be fine if they were asserting that zalak was scum, but saying people shouldn't have an opinion of him is discouraging the creation of information town needs to scumhunt because even if a read is wrong and based on poor mafia theory it still provides information and a paper trail. Pair that with the fact that they're making 0 content of their own and it's obvious one of these two should die toDay.
Out of the two gorf's worse because at least with gheb the thought was original, gorf just sheeped it.
I feel that you're misunderstanding what they're stating. From my perspective, it seems that they're presenting the following idea: "People need to wait for Zalak to present more information that we can get a solid read off of before throwing him into an auto-town pile. The stuff he has stated so far would generally be fine for a semi-baseless new player town read, but considering Zalak's play in past games, reading him so strongly so early is a mistake." instead of attempting to halt the discussion of Zalak altogether.
I also fail to see how it's sheeping. If I recall correctly, this is not the first time that this ideal has been presented by Gorf, and he seems to be strongly for this idea regardless of who stated it first.
Do you fail to see this, or do you just not consider these things a possibility? If the latter, would you care to explain?
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Hi guys. I apologize for my lack of content in the game so far. I honestly failed to realize I was in this game for a while, and then could not remember the password to the account. I will try my best to be more active in the future. Weekends will be hit and miss for me, but other than that I should have no problems with being active.
I know that I have posted a lot of words above, so I suppose I should summarize what I have stated. I will do so below.
Adumbrodeus: I feel that he is misunderstanding Gheb and Gord's thought process in this game. My read on this slot depends on how the conversation between them develops. I, however, was leaning town prior to this debate.
Gorf: Null. He hasn't posted much, and warning us about throwing Zalak into a town pile isn't really... town-read worthy? He is not a scum read based on what has presented against him, though. Waiting for him to get into the game further before developing a read.
Gheb: Same as Gorf.
Kary: Probably the closest thing I have to a scum read to be honest. His responses to Zalak and how he handles the slot as a whole is very weird to me considering the fact that Zalak has been following his vote with no explanation the entire game. His FML vote is... subpar to say the least. Kary expecting FML to properly respond to his suspicions prior to his vote is off, and using that as part of his reasoning for voting him is suspicious.
Zalak: I don't understand why people are strongly town reading him for early content considering his voting pattern and how he is playing the game. I understand slightly town (or scum) reading him, but having a strong read on him based on his play so far is far fetched to me. A lot of his reads seem like he's riding coat tails of other players (to the point where he is literally voting with Kary). He posted a huge thing on Kantrip based on an ideal that was presented by Soup (the idea that Zalak had more to say on Jay when Zalak pretty much concluded that discussion himself) was the biggest weird one to me.
The interaction between Zalak and Kary as a whole is really weird to me. I can't say with confidence that they're scum partners, but I would like further clarification from either side of this interaction. Specifically on why Kary is choosing to ignore the person that has been following his voting entirely and Zalak on why he's following Kary's vote when he has actual opinions now.
Kantrip: After the post I initially commented on, I was on Kantrip's side the whole time during the Zalak/Soup v Kantrip debate. I fail to see how him "interrupting" something that was already concluded by Zalak is suspicious or anything worth scum reading. Inactivity over a weekend is nothing suspicious, as we're part of a smash brothers community. Anyone pushing him (or anyone) for being inactive over a weekend should reconsider their thought process regarding mafia. Town reading?
Jay: Null. I can't read him yet. He seemed really on the fence with his reads earlier, but that was very early, so it was understandable. I would like to see more content from this slot before I further develop my read.
FML: I don't like his Kantrip read, but he hasn't done anything actually suspicious. Very slight town read, I'd like more reads or more developed thoughts from the slot before committing to a stronger read.
Bardull: Hi, Bardull! I posted something just for you!
Null read.
If I forgot anyone, they're null to me I suppose. Looking forward to playing this game with you guys!
