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Seibrik Presents: Brawl Bash IV- 6/07/08****RESULTS***

AfroQT

AfroQT

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Icekid said:
Oh man i didn't know smash had it's High Mid Low Overhead mixup. Please explain to me where that is. Or it's meter system? Or it's normal health bar? Hmmm how about it's combos?! Man, i'm winning tournaments and i missed all of this STUFF?!?!?!?!?!:?!?!??!>?! Holy ****. You must do all of these things it's why your so good. Brawl is far from an average fighting game. All fighting games since ST2 have had atleast all of the things i pointed out. There is even more **** that Smash is missing, who cares? Did I at all say this was a bad game? I didn't mean real as in it's not one. Just meant a little less generic fighting game.
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I never said you said it was a bad game dont twist my words. The responses i get when i ask "how do you do that" is bull**** and you know it.

And IMO Melee/Brawl are up there with all the other fighting games.
 
SabinX

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personally I am not a SF fan.. I only played SF2 casually ever.. and the series in general never thrilled me.

but GG is pure awesome.

If there was a giant monkey character in it linguini would play it.
 
GDX

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SabinX said:
personally I am not a SF fan.. I only played SF2 casually ever.. and the series in general never thrilled me.

but GG is pure awesome.

If there was a giant monkey character in it linguini would play it.
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i wonder if he plays sonson in MvC2
 
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HunterSFL

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Just had to comment on some of the GG stuff, cause I know where IceKid is coming from. People who aren't familiar with 2D fighting games just don't realize the depth and intricacy they have. It's ntohing personal or negative, it's just impossible to realize how the games are playing at high levels until you go through the steps of learning it. The problem is that you can watch all the match videos you want, but the most basic concepts wont even dawn on you, because you can't see them underneath the high level concepts. And unfortunately, learning to "play the game" without fully understanding the underlying concepts, wont get you anywhere. You'll know the combos, but wont know how to apply them -- how to get opportunities to land them.

And so I understand where IceKid is coming from, because there are a lot of people who have come to me thinking they want to learn a 2D fighter, and I love teaching people. But once I sit down with them, and start them with 2D fighting 101 (aka: the boring, necessary fundamentals), they realize they don't want to learn it anymore. So that's why he'd telling you to do all the footwork first, and read up as much as you can, because there's a good chance you might not be so interested to devote the time to learn to play well.

Also, this isn't to say that Smash doesn't have some of these concepts. I'm not trying to get into that argument, especially because my opinion on that isn't simple. There certainly are similar cocnepts in Smash, like poking, but it's not as pronounced as it is in a traditional fighting game, and I'd venture to say that most high level smash players have never really thought about the art/theory of poking. But the point is that either the concepts in Smash are missing altogether (meter management), changed (mixups), or just not as pronounced (poking), so having experience in Smash means very little in learning a 2D fighter. You literally have to learn from the ground up.

Also PS: Just to clear up a few things:

1) Baiken is ridiculous, not just "alright"
2) Doodah, Bridget isn't as bad as some people are trying to make it sound. In fact, he's really not bad at all. By Bridget's character design, he has unlimited potential, but some people equate "hard to play well" with bad. If you really want to play Bridget, and dedicate yourself to him, you can be very beastly, and could beat anyone you want, so don't let them discourage you. Plus, Bridget is one of the only characters not represented in Florida, so not only would it be good for FL to get a Bridget player, but you'd also have the edge of people having little Bridget experience.

Anyone that's interested in learning should go to ZP friday nights, starting at around 9. People play there every Friday (and other nighs during the week -- but Friday's are always constant), and I'm 99% sure I'm going tonight. So yeah, Doodah, I know you live near there, you should swing by tonight.
 
SabinX

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there's a reason even the japanese only have 1 good bridget player in Ruu.
bridget in AC is just not worth the effort IMO.

and Baiken hasn't done much recently. When game came out baiken was "ultimate defense" but she doesn't win tournaments. She IS, however, very high tier for a reason haha.
 
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****, i cant find my copy of MvC2...which sucks ***. i thought i left it in my dreamcast. Well anyway, gotta download another copy and burn it, so no dreamcast this tourney. for the future though...
 
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SabinX said:
there's a reason even the japanese only have 1 good bridget player in Ruu.
bridget in AC is just not worth the effort IMO.
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Yeah, you're right. MUGEN (the player, not the ****ty game, lmao) is nothing.

SabinX said:
and Baiken hasn't done much recently. When game came out baiken was "ultimate defense" but she doesn't win tournaments. She IS, however, very high tier for a reason haha.
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Baiken is one of the best characters in the game. A lot of people consider her to be S tier. Nothing's changed. She's still "ultimate defense" ...with the fastest overhead in the game, and arguably the best set of aerials in the game.
 
SabinX

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=MtoBNYpHMCI

poor mugen.. got 1 round on shounen. mugen tries. he is a good player. Ruu > Mugen.. and bridget as a whole does nothing in japan. I don't see your point. Just as the best baiken players aren't winning anything.

isa shounen top 2 in japan. they dont lose to baikens. there are a lot of up and coming slayer players OCV'ing tournaments. 012 sol ***** baikens too. he is probably the best sol in japan atm.

Baiken is good. didn't say otherwise.

edit: it was unfair to link a match to shounen..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=76f1dqbwQDA he loses to FAB there too.

the point was bridget can be great but even the best bridget , who is def. ruu, can go back and forth with shounen who is his friend and plays with him.. but still doesn't win tournaments.

just like lime-key and anji.. man lime-key is so **** good! poor AC anji
 
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HunterSFL

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SabinX said:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MtoBNYpHMCI

poor mugen.. got 1 round on shounen. mugen tries. he is a good player. Ruu > Mugen.. and bridget as a whole does nothing in japan. I don't see your point. Just as the best baiken players aren't winning anything.
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...You don't see my point? You said Ruu was the only good Bridget, when he's clearly not. He's not even significantly better then MUGEN. And what is that supposed to mean anyway, that the characters "do nothing." Show me results of japanese tournaments since you know so much about their tournament scene.

There are just as many Millias(!), Venoms(!), and only one less Baiken and Potemkin qualified for SBO already.

SabinX said:
isa shounen top 2 in japan. they dont lose to baikens.
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They don't lose to Baikens? I put in "Shounen baiken" into youtube, and here was the first match that came up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyPphOgkVkg. That's not even one of the best Baiken players, and he had him beat, he just baited the burst wrong, which has nothing to do with the characters, that's just a player mistake.

To even say something to stupid like "they don't lose to <character X>" is ridiculous, and a waste of time. The worst matchups in GG are 7-3. Any character will lose to any character.

SabinX said:
the point was bridget can be great but even the best bridget , who is def. ruu, can go back and forth with shounen who is his friend and plays with him.. but still doesn't win tournaments.

just like lime-key and anji.. man lime-key is so **** good! poor AC anji
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...You say this stuff as if there are players you can name who consistently win a lot of tournaments. There are so many good players, that there just isn't that kind of complete consistency in GG. Shounen and Ogawa are really the only players that you could say win "consistently." So saying that "Ruu never wins tournaments" doesn't mean ****. Basically, neither does anyone else.
 
OrieL

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Can't make it. Tight on money, and I know I'm just gonna waste $20 o_o I'm going to PnT next week though.
 
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