SD Remix - 3.3 Full with Slippi Rollback Released!

[Quillion]

It's not really an update. Unless you're developing SD Remix or want to make changes yourself, there's nothing different about it and it should be disregarded.

So it isn't an update, but it might be the source of future updates, then.

 

[Achilles1515]

We CANNOT let this amazing animation go to waste.

 

[Ripple]

we can because without the beam sword it looks awkward. trust me, I've done it before

 

[Quillion]

We CANNOT let this amazing animation go to waste.

As a Nair maybe?

But I agree with Ripple. Unless you Melee hackers finally decode the animation data, I don't think it would work.

 

[Ripple]

I think I just accidently found out how to b-reverse stuff....

 

[Jaedrik]

Maybe Link can keep his shield on his arm when he swings, that way he might be looking for a shield bash. Two different hitboxes, the sword slash on one and a meaty smack with the edge of the shield on the other.

 

[Quillion]

Maybe Link can keep his shield on his arm when he swings, that way he might be looking for a shield bash. Two different hitboxes, the sword slash on one and a meaty smack with the edge of the shield on the other.

Is that really possible at this point in the Melee hacking timeline?

For that matter, if you're going to implement it as a Nair or something, could you add sword lines to the Master Sword like on all of Link's other normals, or is that also impossible?

 

[sdremix_troubleshooter]

Is that really possible at this point in the Melee hacking timeline?

For that matter, if you're going to implement it as a Nair or something, could you add sword lines to the Master Sword like on all of Link's other normals, or is that also impossible?

Unsure about whether or you could apply the Model Mod for "Hylian Shield on/off" on any command you please, but...

you definitely are able to add sword line effects to his Master Sword even on moves that normally don't have it (of course, if the sword isn't out, you wouldn't notice).

 

[Achilles1515]

Unsure about whether or you could apply the Model Mod for "Hylian Shield on/off" on any command you please, but...

you definitely are able to add sword line effects to his Master Sword even on moves that normally don't have it (of course, if the sword isn't out, you wouldn't notice).

Is this a matter or just adding a "graphic effect event" to the moves hitbox data area?

 

[sdremix_troubleshooter]

Is this a matter or just adding a "graphic effect event" to the moves hitbox data area?

Yes(?), in MasterHand, the sword lines toggle is labeled as 'Unknown 0x31'

 

[zankyou]

Is this a matter or just adding a "graphic effect event" to the moves hitbox data area?

Wouldnt the issue be that link holds his sword in his left hand and that animation is a right handed attack.

 

[NES Falchion]

I'm trying to set this up using a mac along with loosely following these instructions. https://imgur.com/a/wKUPx
So what do I do with the "sys" folder?

 

[MudkipUniverse]

I believe that the SDR team should make nerfs to the top tiers, to avoid an actual 20XX, and people not wanting to develop their character due to them being identical to vanilla melee. The shiek Fsmash and Captain Falcon Usmash changes sound amazing.

 

[Quillion]

Wouldnt the issue be that link holds his sword in his left hand and that animation is a right handed attack.

He slashes with both the Master Sword and the item, so it could still work provided that they make certain adjustments like the shield on the right hand.

I believe that the SDR team should make nerfs to the top tiers, to avoid an actual 20XX, and people not wanting to develop their character due to them being identical to vanilla melee. The shiek Fsmash and Captain Falcon Usmash changes sound amazing.

I already asked that question for Fox specifically, and they said that unlike with PM (which did slightly nerf Melee's top tiers) they want to keep this patch close to the competitive Melee as possible, which means that they won't nerf the top 6 at all.

Apparently, though, Ripple is planning a project with more differences than SDR using SDR as a basis (though I don't think it will go far until Melee's animation is decoded).

 

[IronChar]

I believe that the SDR team should make nerfs to the top tiers, to avoid an actual 20XX, and people not wanting to develop their character due to them being identical to vanilla melee. The shiek Fsmash and Captain Falcon Usmash changes sound amazing.

geez coming from someone with a falco icon... for the last time do NOT F WITH THE TOP TIER.

people please stop saying this, it will ruin that game if we mess with top tiers and vmelee players will take this even less seriously then they do now- they want their top tiers left alone the way they are because they feel they're so perfect- respect this. If your char sucked before then enjoy the changes made. Who gives a damn about 20XX- SDR makes gives the rest of us players a fun fighting chance against good top tier players.


should the devs mess with top tier only makes something like 20XX even MORE a reality... cause players won't take this mod seriously

 

[zankyou]

He slashes with both the Master Sword and the item, so it could still work provided that they make certain adjustments like the shield on the right hand.



I already asked that question for Fox specifically, and they said that unlike with PM (which did slightly nerf Melee's top tiers) they want to keep this patch close to the competitive Melee as possible, which means that they won't nerf the top 6 at all.

Apparently, though, Ripple is planning a project with more differences than SDR using SDR as a basis (though I don't think it will go far until Melee's animation is decoded).

What do you mean shield on right hand. I havent seen any documentation of that type of hacking.

 

[TTTTTsd]

In regards to avoiding 20XX they already did that when they let me use the Pichu in this game. Only chars he can't fight and feasibly win against are range disjoint and maybs floaties but I'm not sure. I'll just need a secondary for swordies and gross range people (ewww disjoints etc.) and I'll be set to go.

 

[Quillion]

What do you mean shield on right hand. I havent seen any documentation of that type of hacking.

Vietgeek said this about a shield code not too long ago:

Unsure about whether or you could apply the Model Mod for "Hylian Shield on/off" on any command you please, but...

you definitely are able to add sword line effects to his Master Sword even on moves that normally don't have it (of course, if the sword isn't out, you wouldn't notice).

 

[zankyou]

Vietgeek said this about a shield code not too long ago:

Whats the Shield mod.

 

[Quillion]

Whats the Shield mod.

Again, Vietgeek said something about this (protip:SD Remix Troubleshooter is Vietgeek):

Unsure about whether or you could apply the Model Mod for "Hylian Shield on/off" on any command you please, but...

you definitely are able to add sword line effects to his Master Sword even on moves that normally don't have it (of course, if the sword isn't out, you wouldn't notice).

 

[Achilles1515]

Okay... there's no actual shield mod. He was just speaking figuratively.

Back to work, everyone.

 

[Quillion]

Could you give Doc his Smash 4 SJP?

You already based a lot of hitbox edits on Brawl, why not bring in something from Smash 4 for once?

 

[TTTTTsd]

Yo IDK if they wanna awaken that monster of a move in a game like this, although shieldstun is actually fair in this game so IDK. Still as a Doc player that would almost be WAY too good to be true....

But I wouldn't mind if they felt like giving me that kind of power.

 

[Ripple]

we based hitbox changes on brawl because the angles were much better for linking on multihit moves. doc's SJP link's just fine in melee

 

[Quillion]

we based hitbox changes on brawl because the angles were much better for linking on multihit moves. doc's SJP link's just fine in melee

Yeah, but you also added some completely new Brawl-based hitboxes like on Bowser's Ground Pound and Zelda's Teleport. And that's not getting into the (almost) completely new moves/animations that have been already done.

 

[sdremix_troubleshooter]

Yeah, but you also added some completely new Brawl-based hitboxes like on Bowser's Ground Pound and Zelda's Teleport. And that's not getting into the (almost) completely new moves/animations that have been already done.

To be fair, Zelda's Teleport fire hitbox was always in Melee. Due to some programming quirks/bug(?), it just never activated. It's true!

I have no knowledge of Smash 4 nor do I have access to either copy of the game, so I'm afraid I can't comment on that game's UpB being in SDR at this time.

 

[Quillion]

To be fair, Zelda's Teleport fire hitbox was always in Melee. Due to some programming quirks/bug(?), it just never activated. It's true!

I have no knowledge of Smash 4 nor do I have access to either copy of the game, so I'm afraid I can't comment on that game's UpB being in SDR at this time.

Here you go, linked to the right time! (with a comparison with Melee, for your convenience!)

 

[Cyjorg]

Noob question here. Can I take the characters from SDR and shove them into my personal build or are there changes to the dol needed in order for them to function as intended?

 

[Ripple]

the dol is needed in order for characters to functions

 

[Cyjorg]

the dol is needed in order for characters to functions

Knew I'd have to start over sooner or later. Probably for the best. Thank you.

 

[Quillion]

Melee is so inefficiently programmed, isn't it?

 

[Doq]

Melee is so inefficiently programmed, isn't it?

Not melee. The frame mod codes.

 

[IronChar]

it seems that melee was near prefect- yet not finished.

we`ve been obsessed with an incomplete game for years?

 

[Jaedrik]

it seems that melee was near prefect- yet not finished.

we`ve been obsessed with an incomplete game for years?

There are a number of unfinished masterpieces in this world. Yet masterpieces still they are.

 

[Quillion]

So... about Doc's Smash 4 SJP.

Will you do it? I really REALLY want it considering Mario has pretty much made Doc redundant in SDR.

 

[IronChar]

k so last night I played SDR 3.1 with a close smash buddy. he was warmer about it then other smashers.

I finding that browser has to be worked on a bit, unrelated yet when he uses items they lag a bit. also, well now because mewtwo is good he's become a crazy good counterpick to fox/falco. my buddy I teching hard and while I was trying, I like... didn't have to have as much tech skill to nearly match him in the game. alienating to fox/falco players.

feelings of mewtwo being OP/hitboxes (with other characters too) being crazy disjoined are there.

LOVED young link though. felt you captured the spirit of young link perfectly.

 

[_glook]

We're not really all that great, but I played with my brother a little while ago and managed to record some matches:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpheeULjhdrVH51RMD97aZT16Cc7u2-wJ
He's very pleased with the changes to Kirby.

Edit: Also, sorry for not getting a video out in forever. It'll be a little while still until the next one, but I'm still working on them.

 

[Quillion]

We're not really all that great, but I played with my brother a little while ago and managed to record some matches:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpheeULjhdrVH51RMD97aZT16Cc7u2-wJ
He's very pleased with the changes to Kirby.

Edit: Also, sorry for not getting a video out in forever. It'll be a little while still until the next one, but I'm still working on them.

Welcome back, glook. Which one are you going to do next?

 

[_glook]

Welcome back, glook. Which one are you going to do next?

I'm going down the tier list, so it'll be Young Link next.

 

[Achilles1515]

SDR DOL Mods Converted to 1.02
[COLLAPSE="SDR 1.02 DOL Mods"]

SDR Dol Mods (1.02)

----------------------------
DONKEY KONG

Giant Punch cannot be lost during Up+B
1.02 ------ 0x10C6E4 ---- 9004222C -> 60000000


PlCo.dat
DK Side-B Mechanic
A5E0 - Reduction per input (frames) 9.0 -> 6.0
A5EC - Multiplier for damage in bury formula 0.7 -> 0.9
A600 - Frames of invincibility on exit 18 -> 1


-------------------------------------
GAME AND WATCH

N-Air  0x1486DC ---- 3880015E -> 38800041
0x1486E8 -----80A3002C -> 90830070
0x1486EC ---- C02501F8 -> C0230258
0x1486F0 ---- 4BF41BF9 -> 4BF41AED

B-Air ---- 0x1487C4 ---- 3880015F -> 38800043
---------- 0x1487D0 ---- 80A3002C -> 90830070
---------- 0x1487D4 ---- C0250200 -> C0230260
---------- 0x1487D8 ---- 4BF41B11 -> 4BF41A05

U-Air ---- 0x1488AC ---- 38800160 -> 38800044
---------- 0x1488B8 ---- 80A3002C -> 90830070
---------- 0x1488BC ---- C0250200 -> C0230264
---------- 0x1488C0 ---- 4BF41A29 -> 4BF4191D

Bacon land cancel
0x14b6c8 - 38800161 -> 3880002A [Landing]

Bacon doesn't change momentum
0x14b2c8 - D0250084 -> 60000000

------------------------------------------------
KIRBY

F/B throw mash timer
0xdb20c - EC010028 -> 60000000
nops the subtraction over time during the throw

DK Hat: Giant Punch cannot be lost during Up+B
0xfd9d4 ---- 900422E8 -> 60000000


Luigi Hat: Fireball Land Cancel
0xf649c - 388001AF -> 3880002A

Ness Hat: Pk Flash
0xfbb18 - 981E1968 -> 60000000
0xfbdb4 - 981E1968 -> 60000000

GnW Hat:
land cancel bacon gnw hat
0x10a20c - 388001FE -> 3880002A

momentum doesn't reset on bacon gnw hat
0x109e0c - D0250084 -> 60000000

-----------------------------------

LUIGI

Cyclone acts like Mario's
0x3c4074 (3c7074) - 800d5bdc -> 800d5b9c

Fireball Land Cancel
0x13f504 - 38800155 -> 3880002A

-------------------------------------
NESS

PK Flash jump
0x113d7c - 981E1968 -> 60000000
0x114018 - 981E1968 -> 60000000


PSI Magnet
0x118090 - 38800172 -> 3880000E [Wait]
0x1180c8 - 38800177 -> 3880001D [Fall]

Jump out of Magnet
0x3c9a60 - 8011a43c -> 800caf78
0x3c99c0 - 8011a438 -> 800cb870

-------------------------------
YOSHI

Jump OOS
0x3cb6e0 Guard On 8012c114 -> 80092758

-------------------------
ZELDA

Din's Fire
0x13845c - 981E1968 -> 60000000
0x138768 - 981E1968 -> 60000000

------------------------------------------



**No Longer Used in 3.1**

---------------------------------


C. FALCON

Keep remaining jumps on side-b
0x7a24c 987E1968 -> 60000000
------------------------------

Kirby

F/B/U Throw jumps
0x7a24c - 987E1968 -> 60000000
----------------------------------
SAMUS

Charge Shot cannot be lost during Up+B
1.02 ------ 0x125EA4 ---- 901F2230 -> 60000000
---------------------------------
Kirby Samus Hat: 
0xf99a0 ---- 901E22D4 -> 60000000

[/COLLAPSE]

Someone had to do it...
I sure as hell did not test all these, but they should work. Let me know if I missed anything.

Link/Young Link Boomerang Hookshot Cancel (1.02)
0x3c507c ---- 00200000 -> 00000000
0x3c509c ---- 00c00000 -> 00000000
0x3ce204 ---- 00200000 -> 00000000
0x3ce224 ---- 00c00000 -> 00000000

Bowser Flame Cancel (1.02)
0x132264 ---- 38800155 -> 38800156

v1.00 Hitlag Behavior (1.02)
0x73dd0 ---- 3b000001 -> 3b000000

Just my opinion, but I think it's time to switch to 1.02.