Scott Pilgrim vs. The Mafia | GAME OVER: Infinite Sadness/Finest Hour

[#HBC | J]

Longer nap than anticipated but a longer nap is never a bad thing. Reading, nodding, liking posts, grabbing posts, saw this and thought just quick hit this one.

kary i don't think you really understand how unsafe claiming the main bad guy is.

Bardull, I really don't think you understand, in any sense of the word, that claiming the bad guy doesn't mean anything at all in most mafia games. I have claimed countless "bad characters" as town and have certainly claimed "good characters" as mafia. I can't remember which game it was but the scum-team had a safe-claim of the protagonist of whatever series it is. Ever since, names/flavour/whatever don't matter a lick to me unless it is blatantly obvious which even in those cases I still make sure that every avenue has been covered in it. Stop using "I claimed the main bad guy LOOK HOW SUPER TOWN I MUST BE." because it's a terrible defense and also keeps making you look worse and worse since that's all you are truly claiming to in the end. No one had forced you to claim, you just claimed to claim because you were fearful of something happening to you while you were V/LA.

Just stop.

 

[ranmaru]

Wtf did I just post?

 

[KevinM]

"How so?"

Wishy washy stances and buddying.

 

[#HBC | J]

Ran I'm going to request for the sake of clarity that you change off of my avatar, if you want to continue after the game that's fine, but reading through is confusing for me and I'm the person your trying to imitate, I don't want your reads to be brought up as mine because someone misreads a post.

Ironically, already made this request and seemed it went unnoticed.

 

[ranmaru]

Ran I'm going to request for the sake of clarity that you change off of my avatar, if you want to continue after the game that's fine, but reading through is confusing for me and I'm the person your trying to imitate, I don't want your reads to be brought up as mine because someone misreads a post.

Sure. I'll try to find one soon.

 

[BarDulL]

I care about more you claiming early then posting for only yourself.

Prove that I'm only posting for myself and not for the sake of Town.

 

[BarDulL]

Why did you vote FML here? (Besides you being VLA)

No point in not helping a wagon when I can.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Prove that I'm only posting for myself and not for the sake of Town.

Your more worried about yourself.

 

[BarDulL]

Yeah I guess I'm ok with that.

Baddull, can you stop being so openly confrontational it's annoying to slog through.

This reads as "BarDulL can you stop confronting people who have scum reads on you and just let us lynch you?" No thanks. I'll continue to confront as many people as I have to. Additionally, anyone who continues to vote for me out of policy has the luxury of being picked for my vengeful.

 

[BarDulL]

Your more worried about yourself.

I'm posting because letting myself succumb to a lynch goes against my win condition. What's your point?

 

[soupamarioyoshiluigiwario]

i say lynch badull and hope for the best if he keeps this up.

 

[soupamarioyoshiluigiwario]

incoming salt post in 3

2...

1...

 

[ranmaru]

 

[#HBC | J]

God I love this like function now. It's so much easier than just quoting (especially with no multiquotes like I used to like). But yeah super like to Ryu's last post on Bardull just caring more about himself>anything at this point. He is more just starting to derail quite a few slots in the game now to just talk about himself and his incessant need to continuously say "Why would I do this as scum? It doesn't make sense." which is just a load of WIFOM with is claim and personally I would like most conversation about this "Gideon" business to end. I'd also like Bardull to do something else besides talk about himself and actually do some scumhunting because I don't recall nearly anything about him besides his claim and the fact that he is mother****ing Gideon.

I dislike the fact that he also refuses to give reads on people, like Nabe who was a read I was confused on so I can sympathize with S&M for asking that question. That response was just non-helpful if you truly are town, Bardull, because all it does it make us sit around and wait for you to be "ready" to give a read on Nabe. Yes, we get you dislike him, but that doesn't clarify if he is scum or town to you.

I need a readslist from you Bardull, something actually substantial because right now all you are doing is literally riding your claim through this day-phase.

 

[BarDulL]

J, read the thread. I already posted my Nabe read.

 

[BarDulL]

J, you need to read the entire thread and get caught up before you post. Seriously.

 

[ranmaru]

No point in not helping a wagon when I can.

I'm going to reserve my read on FML until you give an opinion of his slot. You have said that you claimed because you would be away because of finals, and would only chime in to defend yourself, but you can't use that to get on a wagon without really saying anything about the slot. (Because then you aren't just defending yourself, you are voting but without reason as well) Which is why I want to know what you think of the slot.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

BarDulL. STAHP!

If you post one more freaking time about how you must be town because you claimed Gideon, I'm just going to freaking vote for you.

 

[#HBC | J]

8. zens play struck me as scatterbrained and my experiences with him in previous games tell me that he does this regardless of alignment...but theres a rhyme and reason to each alignment if it makes sense? like i remember erb mafia when zen latched onto scum early in the game and nearly wagoned them to a lynch. but then town got distracted and we just lynched some other *****es. that was pretty much the whole game til near the end when scum killed our *****. then look at legend of mana where he just pushed my lynch on bull**** reasons. THAT is what bothered me about zen. his reads didnt resonate well with me. he wanted to lynch pjb cuz of "intuition" but the dude had literally like one post that wasnt sayin ****. karebear was on his scumlist due to meta but he himself admitted that it hadnt been strong if i remember correctly. then i was scum cuz of my bardull situation but he dropped that once soup explained what was going on and his meta on me which i thought was bull**** cuz i dont even remember making long posts like that as scum. you yourself have said what i do as scum. i say "lol hbc #swag cmon bros" but i sprinkle in a bunch of throwaway one liners for the sake of maintaining a presence in the thread. i wasnt doing that here and i KNOW zen knows i do that **** cuz he modded those games where i did that as scum. so it looked like he was pulling meta out of his *** or maybe years old meta that i dont even remember but would be negligible regardless. so basically i saw him pull what i thought were ****ty reads left and right and tryna act like hes a boss which is my perception of zenscum. i stopped pursuing zen cuz soup townread him

This explanation of Zen makes me want to like your slot a lot more than I had been because it reads as genuine with how much detail you go into explaining your Zen-read. So to summarize this a bit better would be you thought Zen thought you were scum and you thought he was scum which made you think

we are not two people, we are one slot. get the **** outta hear with this whack *** reading of us individually. i will not respond to specific things answered to me and neither should marshy but we both got tired of your whiny *****ing so marshy wanted to handle it. i'm given the honors of responding to you also however.

You get the **** outta hear with your hypocrisy and illogical BS. Of course I am going to read you individually. You two are very different in your playstyles. You honestly didn't even need the "soup tag-team'd in now* section because it's obvious that you are posting due to your volatile style, but let me just point out that even Marshy made it known that you were posting to seperate yourself from him. Yes, you are one slot, but I read both of you differently. It's hypocritical because you don't read hydras the exact same, yourself, and ignore if one person in the hydra is someone you read different. You may not respond but I know how to get you to poke your head out if I want you to respond. For now, you are not the half I want to talk to because marshy is the one that has caught my eye.

*Pre-emptive strike response*

To the general things that don't have @marshy or asking marshy individually for his thoughts on, of course you should respond if you are the first one to see it. Also none of my posts have even been whiny but just asking you blunt questions regarding marshy so stop trying to act like your the ****, Soup because it really does irritate me that you are trying to get away with thinking your super tough. Kudos on getting the "honors"? Didn't know you needed an invite to just talk to me like a normal person. Everyone else got the memo, where have you been? However, if you continue talking to me like you have been this game, you can just stop and I'll probably not respond because it gives me a minor headache just looking at when your posts when you huff and puff.

Now onto more important matters.

But another thing to bring up that I seemed to have forgotten to mention. You went from voting FML to now being the one voting with FML. Why would you be voting someone that FML, your prior biggest scum-read, is voting currently? It makes no sense at all since you made such a fuss about him earlier in the game.

you're implying that there isn't an obvious connection between them or not that it could go either way. i don't have a solid case on it but i'm pretty sure FML's opinion on badwolf is ****ing terrible and we've pointed it out once or twice, however i have to ask you something: you really think that's gonna stop us? i don't give a **** where fml has his vote because frankly all his vote is doing is showing how scum he is, because he's been on this bw thing all gorfdamn game with broken logic that's been contested multiple times with plenty of players chipping in. he doesn't have a last leg to stand on and frankly the fact he's on bw doesn't matter to me because of this. what do you think j? you think they're both scum? you think one is? which? i think fml would look pretty bad if he stopped voting his partner at this point considering how adamant he's been about it. don't you agree? i also think it would make him look bad even if it wasn't his partner, and because they're both trash it's just a matter of which one to take out first.

You are literally the only other person voting Badwolf at the moment and one of the only people that is still going on besides FML who is looking like he is trying to use Badwolf's slot as more of a scapegoat so he doesn't get lynched. You say that all FML's vote is doing is showing how scum he is. I'm going to isolate this because this makes me think you are more scummy as a whole slot>just marshy now.

i don't give a **** where fml has his vote because frankly all his vote is doing is showing how scum he is, because he's been on this bw thing all gorfdamn game with broken logic that's been contested multiple times with plenty of players chipping in. he doesn't have a last leg to stand on and frankly the fact he's on bw doesn't matter to me because of this.

Okay so you are now on the BW wagon with the biggest candidate for a lynch....who you feel has complete broken logic....been contested by multiple players in the game....and doesn't have a leg on to stand on the BW wagon....but you STILL FEEL that BW is scum which in the end product of the matter means that you AGREE with FML on his suspicion of BW and his pressure of BW. You cannot just say "FML is scummy/stupid, we are smart/right." When you are doing the exact same thing. Just because you are trying to seperate yourself from FML's reasoning it near identical.

I've already given my opinion on BW and I've never had a scumread on him. I've also said that FML is a great lynch for the fact of the grandiose amounts of connections but also because he has been scummy with his constant play revolving around himself and not choosing to do anything else but harp about Badwolf and barely commenting on Gova at all. If he honestly cared about BW being scum he would be more intent to investigate Gova more (which, I might add, you haven't done much looking into Gova at all since he has posted and at this time has more than leaps and bounds above BW). At this point in time, it looks like you are trying to set-up lynches over the fact of trying to find scum especially with your BW vote. You are voting with FML which is one of your biggest scum-reads and finish up with "Regardless of either flip, FML needs to die." It doesn't show that you care at all. You are saying that FML+BW = scum-team? How? You think FML is trying to bus BW this entire game and BW replaced out because he was sad that that was going on?

Badwolf replaced out mainly due to people like you being a complete and utter douche to him every game and never letting up no matter what he does. I'm not going to go into this until post-game.

Anyways, I was liking marshy more due to his response came off genuine and I really like that Zen paragraph but Soup's ***-backwards logic towards the BW wagon is absurd and makes me still comfortable in my vote on him but I have an idea that I'm going to get to in another post rather than this one.

 

[#HBC | J]

J, you need to read the entire thread and get caught up before you post. Seriously.

Bardull, I have read and caught up. You have no substance besides the stuff revolving around your role. I want reads from you. I may have been quick on the Nabe read and misunderstoood your post about not voting him over FML but still I want that read's list.

 

[BarDulL]

FML is weird this game.

Kary is kinda lame. I have to look over his posts one more time but I feel like there's a contradiction somewhere in hindsight if I'm remembering things correctly. Like, I think he was postulating that I should 100% die (implication of him thinking I'm scum?), then he votes for me after I claim when it's plausible that his vote could cause a domino effect, then tries to play it off like he was trying to gain a reaction from (but if he was trying to gain a reaction then this is an implication that he doesn't think I'm scum anymore or at least null, but considering his early stance on my slot, it's a weird transition unless he was trying to backpedal out of a situation that could get him knee deep in hot water [him thinking my claim makes me Townish]). I'm not sure where he's coming from by saying I need to be pressured (fun fact, saying someone needs to be pressured out loud doesn't do much to pressure them) after I've presumably moved back to null so to speak when there are 13 other players in this game for him to deal with while I'm still V/LA.

Speaking of people not substantiating themselves, this is why I hate playing with Nabe sometimes: he votes for me, doesn't substantiate himself, tries to walk away with his hands clean. Like, w-t-f. Granted, this is null coming from Nabe, but people need to look in his direction a bit more and get him to talk more, otherwise he's going to be null for longer than we would like him to be.

PJB smells a little funky on the premise that his initial defense of my slot seemed like he saw the Town intentions of my claim, but then he goes on to say I'm null/scum despite presumably understanding why I claimed when I claimed. *chin scratch*

SoupaMarshy's slot is ok I guess. I didn't like his direction early game or some of his posts, but I don't have many qualms just trying to work with him for now.

Here's something for you guys to think about: a lot of you have said my claim is null, but why in all that is holy would I claim Gideon as scum, let alone put myself in a position of detriment by throwing out early half-***** reads? Granted, I could have thought up some better ways of getting the game started considering I'm Hated, but whatever, I really don't give a damn. Granted, this is a little wifomy and I can understand this kind of counter argument, but seriously, Gideon? People need to stop being paranoid of my slot :[.

Anyway, continuing on with my perception of the facts...

Kantrip seems a bit like his typical Kantrip self. I got this impression that his Town read on my slot seemed a little fake (no offense if you're Town, Kantrip, because obviously I want you on my side but it just felt that way ) but I also think he's probably not the worst buddy to have around since he's going in good directions that I can agree with. I feel like he's being pro-actively Town and looking in other directions for progression as opposed to trying to tunnel on my slot (Kary), so if I had to be buddies with someone this game, it would probably be Kantrip.

Kevmo seemed a little disconnected from the wagon on me. Not sure why this is but it was an interesting thing to observe nonetheless.

J...IDK what to say. Like, it's so weird to try to describe J's slot right now or why he's playing the way he's playing. Still kinda null.

Badwolf is being silly on the premise that he's trying to push my lynch for the fact that I claimed Gideon, but what he isn't really understanding is that if I actually were scum, there's no way in hell that I would claim Gideon considering he's the main, main, main bad guy. Not sure if this is just sillywolf or scumwolf yet.

Can't remember anyone else right now off the top of my head, so I'd have to reread.

Almost forgot about Zen. Zen's...probably Town? Talk to me about it later.

Love, BarDulL.

I'd post an updated read list now, but I'm heading off again. Later tonight I will.

 

[BarDulL]

BarDulL. STAHP!

If you post one more freaking time about how you must be town because you claimed Gideon, I'm just going to freaking vote for you.

I'm Town because I'm Gideon.



I concede that I was wrong and I have since dropped this point.

 

[soupamarioyoshiluigiwario]

god another j wall

 

[soupamarioyoshiluigiwario]

can't you just keep all of those wordy sentences and explanations in your pants you wanna talk about headaches i have one right now because i know you're gonna make me respond to that gorfdamn

 

[#HBC | J]

Okay so I am playing around with an idea in my head as to what is the best way to deal with the Bardull situation. It's a sticky situation, taking out Bardull himself, just based on the role which is kind of why I hate the Hated role because unless town has a hero/mafia princess then it's directly anti-town. What I also don't like about it is the role has a gun but I feel I have come up with something.

Bardull is pretty much garunteed till late-game at this point and time due to town not going to want to lynch him because he is hated and has a gun. Mafia also will not touch him because they will want to keep him to quickly alpha strike him in mylo/lylo so basically Bardull's role puts us in the situation where we have "one less day" then garunteed in set-up mechanics. I agree completely with KevinM in the sense that having Bardull around passed D3 would be way too much of a liability. It sucks but I've been in the exact position and had to be lynched before a certain point in the game because keeping me alive any further would just result in me being too much of a liabilty.

However, I got to thinking about Bardull's role and then I remembered he had a gun. I am beginning to think Bardull may be the best lynch for toDay for a couple of reasons.

We rid ourselves of having to deal with the variable of Bardull's role later on in the game and D1 would be the safest day to get out a liability like his role which could be town/scum but in the end, it's just anti-town. However, if Bardull is town, we can still use his gun role to get the lynch we want in the end. At the moment we can still get FML too and knock two birds out with one metaphorical stone in Bardull's lynch. Even if Bardull is lying about being town-hated vengeful and is scum-hated vengeful then we still have nailed Bardull and his shot no matter who he chooses gives us a clear in the sense of a dead body and the connections garnered from that person's town-flip would be helpful.

The only thing about this plan is that it only works for D1. If we tried to execute this plan any other day, it becomes way too risky. D2 decreases the success rate significantly and by D3 we honestly cannot touch Bardull unless for policy but even if he's town he has to take a shot if I have his role correct which makes it an instalose if we haven't at least hit one scum.

So in the end my plan goes like this:

Lynch Bardull, have him shoot who we were going to lynch in the end which at this point in time looks like FML. And continue the game from there. It's a plan that has more pros than cons in the long run over the fact of just having Bardull be there like a ticking time bomb and just not knowing what to do besides just trusting him that he says he is town.

I'm going to remove my vote from S&M because I know I'm not going to get their lynch toDay and so my vote will either go to Bardull or FML.

Unvote

I'd like others opinions on this when the come into the thread if that's alright since the deadline is on monday.

 

[#HBC | J]

can't you just keep all of those wordy sentences and explanations in your pants you wanna talk about headaches i have one right now because i know you're gonna make me respond to that gorfdamn

Get over yourself and respond to it, Soup.

 

[#HBC | J]

can't you just keep all of those wordy sentences and explanations in your pants you wanna talk about headaches i have one right now because i know you're gonna make me respond to that gorfdamn

Seriously, you make the same complaint every game like it makes any difference each time you say it. It's like me trying to tell you to stop your complaining whining. If I truly cared about people saying my posts were long, I'd save myself my own personal time with not writing such a largesse amount but it's how I play the game, you know this, it's not going to change. You only continue with this because you think it's something you can harp on to make my argument less significant than is actually is. The sentences aren't wordy and the explanations are needed. Sorry that you have to read, Soup. But this is a mafia game where people write to explain their trains of thoughts. If you didn't want to have to read posts, I seriously suggest you find another game to play.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

That's a terrible plan J.

 

[#HBC | J]

That's a terrible plan J.

Are you saying this because at the current time it leads to you getting shot or do you have a real reason that it's a terrible plan?

 

[soupamarioyoshiluigiwario]

You are literally the only other person voting Badwolf at the moment and one of the only people that is still going on besides FML who is looking like he is trying to use Badwolf's slot as more of a scapegoat so he doesn't get lynched. You say that all FML's vote is doing is showing how scum he is. I'm going to isolate this because this makes me think you are more scummy as a whole slot>just marshy now.

to be honest i'm kinda letting marshy do his thing and he's letting me do my thing. yes, i want to have a semblance that doesn't make us into two completely different slots, but i agree with his vote and i won't move it until talking to him.

Okay so you are now on the BW wagon with the biggest candidate for a lynch....who you feel has complete broken logic....been contested by multiple players in the game....and doesn't have a leg on to stand on the BW wagon....but you STILL FEEL that BW is scum which in the end product of the matter means that you AGREE with FML on his suspicion of BW and his pressure of BW. You cannot just say "FML is scummy/stupid, we are smart/right." When you are doing the exact same thing. Just because you are trying to seperate yourself from FML's reasoning it near identical.

no i don't. my logic on bw is different than fml's. why are you trying to imply a double standard here? we are not the same person and just because my scumread happens to be voting my other scumread doesn't mean jack to me. our reasons are the same? i don't recall that ever being the case, and even if it was the case, why does it even matter? do you think FML is scum? yes? no? okay, let's start here. now, tell me what you think is more likely in fml's case, him voting his partner after his own folly, or him voting badwolf to save face. which do you agree on? i'm not going to look up your posts, just tell me. i can't believe that you suddenly think that you can't have more than one scumread and that it matters which one you're voting, because to me you're trying to spin this into somehow some bull**** about how i can't possibly scumread FML here because i'm voting bw on the same reason. this is not true. this is really awful and god forbid someone says this post is any slight of good just because you know how to type a bunch of words.

I've already given my opinion on BW and I've never had a scumread on him. I've also said that FML is a great lynch for the fact of the grandiose amounts of connections but also because he has been scummy with his constant play revolving around himself and not choosing to do anything else but harp about Badwolf and barely commenting on Gova at all. If he honestly cared about BW being scum he would be more intent to investigate Gova more (which, I might add, you haven't done much looking into Gova at all since he has posted and at this time has more than leaps and bounds above BW). At this point in time, it looks like you are trying to set-up lynches over the fact of trying to find scum especially with your BW vote. You are voting with FML which is one of your biggest scum-reads and finish up with "Regardless of either flip, FML needs to die." It doesn't show that you care at all. You are saying that FML+BW = scum-team? How? You think FML is trying to bus BW this entire game and BW replaced out because he was sad that that was going on?

'set-up lynches' what does this even mean? setting up lynches? yeah. i want to lynch my scumreads. i'm setting up to hardbody. you got me j. i know you're gonna get pissy about this sort of response but i swear to god you have a mafia dictionary next to you and you just randomly flip through it everytime you make a post to try and make something stick. this is why i don't like your slot, and this is why marshy doesn't like your slot. you're creating a bunch of tells without substantiating as to why it is. yeah. i don't really care for gova's posts. i skimmed. sue me for skimming. how are you supposed to imply that you somehow know our every thought and process? you know what all of this? speculation. all you've been doing is speculating this game, and i'm getting tired of having to deal with it. FML+BW = scum-team? no. FML+BW = scummy and worth lynching? yes. that is what i meant when i don't care what FML does with BW. yes, i'm being ignorant here but i know marshy doesn't either and we both agree that bw's replacement was absolutely crap. i can tell you from my perspective however that once i talk with marshy there's a possibility we will switch to FML. maybe. i think fml would keep his vote on BW either as his partner or just to save face. as long as a scum-read stands on BW then it's just a matter of a flip. you know why people lynch players in mafia, j? because they want information. they want a flip and they want to know if they're right. they want to lynch their scum-reads and hope. i'd lynch BW as much as i'd lynch FML, and the semantics behind them being partners doesn't matter to me right now; i can tell you if one flips scum the likability the other will is high. if one flips town then i'll rethink things through.

Badwolf replaced out mainly due to people like you being a complete and utter douche to him every game and never letting up no matter what he does. I'm not going to go into this until post-game.

lol what i never even said anything to the guy besides get a better attitude or stop posting.

Anyways, I was liking marshy more due to his response came off genuine and I really like that Zen paragraph but Soup's ***-backwards logic towards the BW wagon is absurd and makes me still comfortable in my vote on him but I have an idea that I'm going to get to in another post rather than this one.

 

[soupamarioyoshiluigiwario]

Seriously, you make the same complaint every game like it makes any difference each time you say it. It's like me trying to tell you to stop your complaining whining. If I truly cared about people saying my posts were long, I'd save myself my own personal time with not writing such a largesse amount but it's how I play the game, you know this, it's not going to change. You only continue with this because you think it's something you can harp on to make my argument less significant than is actually is. The sentences aren't wordy and the explanations are needed. Sorry that you have to read, Soup. But this is a mafia game where people write to explain their trains of thoughts. If you didn't want to have to read posts, I seriously suggest you find another game to play.

lol no i was just ******** for the sake of ********

 

[FullMetalLynch]

And you still have yet to respond to any of the litany of questions I've posed you with, btw.

Also, wrt your gova point, BW's actions are enough to condemn Gova. Plus his actions right now are totally null, I don't get why Kevmo or you is so confident that Gova is town, or why as scum I would do nothing but stick my guns on him when the rest of town has all but dug my grave. He hasn't done anything to change my opinion of BW, and so far every one of his posts has been null to me. Gova's only option from mypov is to townread me at this point and hope that I either eat the noose or drop him. Him scum reading me would just smell of OMGUS.

 

[soupamarioyoshiluigiwario]

That's a terrible plan J.

why

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Are you saying this because at the current time it leads to you getting shot or do you have a real reason that it's a terrible plan?

Well I mean, I can't speak for Bardull but I am town.

And if Bard's town that's 2 for 0.

What does Bard flipping town tell you exactly ? What about me ?

 

[ranmaru]

J the way I see it, it's basically a vig, but one where you have to sacrifice yourself to vig your target. But more like a self sacrifice vig that has to vig who the town says (but the choice is solely up to them, consider that). I think bardull's role should be played in a scummy way so he could vig who he truly find scummy. (By getting lynched) But him claiming actually stops him from being able to do that, and possibly being nk'd. So it helps us get a double flip and use the role how it was supposed to be used, along with the possibility of him deciding to do his own thing.

 

[#HBC | J]

To save myself time and save myself from reading your complaints.

Second paragraph: I've explained what I feel about BW/FML and what I feel is the situation going on there. FML saving face. Please read when I take the time to explain. You also are missing the point on why I have a problem with you voting FML. Don't strawman my argument.

Third paragraph: You've....skimmed....your biggest scum-read's posts when you've made such a big deal about wanting him dead? You even admit to being ignorant. Good lord...

Basically a good summary from your post soup, to me, was "Hi, I'm Soup I'm an ignorant person who doesn't care really, I skim, I complain, but I'm right, your wrong so let me do what I want because you just don't get me."

So tell me Soup, what do you plan to do if you were to be wrong on BW or FML? Let's talk about if you were wrong about BW more simply because your so hot and bothered about being right on this one exclusively regardless of FML.

 

[soupamarioyoshiluigiwario]

re-establish my reads and perhaps look further into the game, it's ****ing d1 and honestly i want to ****ing lynch someone instead of play this goddamn stupid wall game with you

 

[#HBC | J]

J the way I see it, it's basically a vig, but one where you have to sacrifice yourself to vig your target. But more like a self sacrifice vig that has to vig who the town says (but the choice is solely up to them, consider that). I think bardull's role should be played in a scummy way so he could vig who he truly find scummy. (By getting lynched) But him claiming actually stops him from being able to do that, and possibly being nk'd. So it helps us get a double flip and use the role how it was supposed to be used, along with the possibility of him deciding to do his own thing.

Does that make you okay with the plan or are you just talking to talk at this point Ran? I agree the role should have been played a bit scummy instead of being blatant about it but that's just a preference on how to play a role.

 

[ranmaru]

I'm fine with the plan.

 

[#HBC | J]

re-establish my reads and perhaps look further into the game, it's ****ing d1 and honestly i want to ****ing lynch someone instead of play this goddamn stupid wall game with you

Then either switch your vote to FML or vote Bardull because those are going to be the only lynches for toDay because BW's slot does not have much of a following at all.