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Scott Pilgrim vs. The Mafia | GAME OVER: Infinite Sadness/Finest Hour

ranmaru

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What about his flailing? And the distancing? Look over my interactions with him, he's all outta whack. Do you disagree with me, or do you just not know what I'm talking about? Cuz I can show you.

I would like you to elaborate (or quote where you did) the flailing which you think is suspicious. I'm more confident in Kary being scum though, and am pursuing my own avenue here. I also don't see the problem with two directions, two competing wagons. Competing wagons give information, because then scum have to choose which wagon to get on and you can look and see if there is scum intent for leaving a wagon to go to another or something. If you have reason to disagree I'd like to see it.
 
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yo ran if it makes you feel any better im pretty sure we can be townbros



vinyl: so wait...youre voting frozen cuz of early game shenanigans andve announced that youll sheep someone now...lol iight. who do you want to sheep? do any of the wagons appeal to you? and you also said that youll unvoted him if he has posted...why is that a requirement to get you to unvote him? how is your approach to the way you plan on handling your vote conducive to finding scum?

j: i think youre disgusting and have no idea why people think youre town. i currently hope you die in this game preferably by my hand but this is a battle for another day

**** badwolf. this dude is just chillin here in the thread bitchin at pjb about NOTHING. literally nothing hes talking about has to do with scum. hes just sitting there butthurt over some ******** bull**** instead of playing mafia. i see no drive to hunt scum and instead see a salty pony spending all his time derailing the thread. i dont give an iota of a **** about his "wahh im replacing out" cuz hes salty and angry regardless of alignment. good gorf do i hate badwolf and am at least glad i no longer have to read his posts. were lynching the SLOT not the PLAYER so his replacing out isnt a reason to back off of him. dont be ******** and eat up the tears guys

i was gonna summon the hbc train but i dont igve a **** about fml either. soup hopefully we can talk soon but i wanted to get this post up there

vote gova
 

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Haha you are kind of preaching to the choir on your first line. I know that's not a basis for a townread but it's something that makes me okay with having you around on D1 at the moment. And tbh, on D1 I am uncommital and I don't make strong reads till D2. Sometimes I do get those strong reads but it's also the fact that it's a large-grame and more people to look at. I do better with concrete connections. My vote is nowhere at the moment because I am debating on joining the FML lynch since I feel he is the best to go toDay.
Ooh, I like this. Interesting philosophy too. I wasn't expecting such a good answer.

Maybe you are town, after all. :)
 

#HBC | J

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Marshy you are so whack this game. And it's mostly coming from just the marshy side. I don't get why he's trying to act so tough when at the current time in the game he doesn't have much of a leg to stand on besides #hbcswag and his intimidation tactic on me saying that I need to die but without giving any reason as to why and just says "That's for another day."

What's stopping you from coming at me? Your weak-vote on BW which looks more like a vote on the person not the slot (which is ironic since that's what you are telling people what to look at to join you). You say your main reason for going after him is that he is butthurt and his complaining but how does that make him scummy over anti-town? What's stopping you from even saying a few reasons as to why I'm scummy when you spent a paragraph complaining about BW's attitude>his actual play. You even wrote more on Vinyl who has like nothing to his name this game?

Another thing you are continuing to do is focus on the weaker players and that's it (sans myself but you have been on me since the beginning as well). You are looking into Vinyl at the moment? Please tell me you aren't serious?

My biggest problem with you is that you are literally trying to lynch Badwolf's slot moreso on his attitude and who he is, which you have seen countless times in games and have complained about a lot too, but not substantiating why he is scummy. You even say this yourself and I quote:

Marshy said:
dont give an iota of a **** about his "wahh im replacing out" cuz hes salty and angry regardless of alignment
The bolded, but I'll repeat it, regardless of alignment. Regardless of his alignment, he would be acting this way. Regardless of his alignment you have seen this very act but you are trying to make it a bigger/scummier thing than it actually is. Combined on top of all this, BW has been catching steam from other players and you seemed to have hopped onto it as well. You seem to only hop onto wagons that have a following going behind them then actually going to find your own type of thing to do but then try and propogate it as your own when you add your own two cents into it and act like you are the one leading the charge when the fact is you are just cookie cuttering what others have said about disliking BW but in a harsher tone. (FML at the current time which you have ditched and don't care about anymore)

You also don't say anything about the Kary wagon or anything about FML really besides saying you don't give a **** which you obviously had to have given some amount of **** if you wanted him dead in the first place. So which is it? Do you care about FML enough to get lynched or was that just a lie? Why is the Kary wagon a "gtfo" response? Do you have a town read on this slot and you feel that it's a dumb pursuit? If so, what do you make of Zen and Ranmaru?

I also had another question for you, marshy. That is, why did your sudden suspicion of Zen completely drop off the face of the earth once Zen reached out his hand towards you? It looked like you dropped it so that you could have Zen on your side more than you previously did. I find your reads currently to be rather fake, phony, and forced based on how people treat you and how other people think of them.

A big reason I find you as scum is because you seem to be looking for the easy way out of a lot of things whenever you post and I have to say I do not like it one bit and at this time, I find you much more scummier than anyone else in the game. I have been holding this back a bit to see what would come, but you continued to post in the same light.

I have a few more questions for you. What do you think of KevinM's drop of me? You used to talk to me a lot about knowing that you can almost 100% always read KevinM whenever I would say to you that he always looks scummy to me. So explain what you are feeling about KevinM besides the fact that he is KevinM. His posts hold little substance but have enough to gauge a read upon unlike your whack Vinyl push. I'd also like reads from your side personally on Zen/Ran/Kary and throw in Kantrip as well. I also need from you a comment on the Bardull claim since you have seemed to completely skip over that in your version of a catch-up post. You have seen the role in question multiple of times in your years of playing this game so I want you to look at his claim post and tell me what you have to offer as insight towards it.

That's all from me regarding you but at the current time I have to say that you are looking terrible to me so for now you are the person I am most comfortable in voting for now.

Vote: soupamarioyoshiluigiwario
 

#HBC | J

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Uhm...that honestly turned out longer than I thought it was going to. Whoops. Oh well I got all out I wanted to say for now.

^as a head's up, that's what I mean by getting something to sink my teeth into. Have people really forgotten about me when I have been gone for almost a year?
 

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Like I really don't want to voting you, personally, marshy simply because you were the one who encouraged me to sign up and play and pretty much 100% of the reason I signed up and which is kind of why I was holding back my real opinion on you for a majority of the day but I honestly can't hold it back when I feel you are my strongest scum-read now because I feel it wouldn't be right to not play towards my win-con. Ugh, please come in and prove me wrong with a stupendously brownie townie post so we can play but for now you are okay to go.
 

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But another thing to bring up that I seemed to have forgotten to mention. You went from voting FML to now being the one voting with FML. Why would you be voting someone that FML, your prior biggest scum-read, is voting currently? It makes no sense at all since you made such a fuss about him earlier in the game.
 
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Like I really don't want to voting you, personally, marshy simply because you were the one who encouraged me to sign up and play and pretty much 100% of the reason I signed up and which is kind of why I was holding back my real opinion on you for a majority of the day but I honestly can't hold it back when I feel you are my strongest scum-read now because I feel it wouldn't be right to not play towards my win-con.
its iight man
 
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Marshy you are so whack this game. And it's mostly coming from just the marshy side. 1. I don't get why he's trying to act so tough when at the current time in the game he doesn't have much of a leg to stand on besides #hbcswag and his intimidation tactic on me saying that I need to die but without giving any reason as to why and just says "That's for another day."

2. What's stopping you from coming at me? 3. Your weak-vote on BW which looks more like a vote on the person not the slot (which is ironic since that's what you are telling people what to look at to join you). 4. You say your main reason for going after him is that he is butthurt and his complaining but how does that make him scummy over anti-town? What's stopping you from even saying a few reasons as to why I'm scummy when you spent a paragraph complaining about BW's attitude>his actual play. You even wrote more on Vinyl who has like nothing to his name this game?

5. Another thing you are continuing to do is focus on the weaker players and that's it (sans myself but you have been on me since the beginning as well). You are looking into Vinyl at the moment? Please tell me you aren't serious?

6. My biggest problem with you is that you are literally trying to lynch Badwolf's slot moreso on his attitude and who he is, which you have seen countless times in games and have complained about a lot too, but not substantiating why he is scummy. You even say this yourself and I quote:

The bolded, but I'll repeat it, regardless of alignment. Regardless of his alignment, he would be acting this way. Regardless of his alignment you have seen this very act but you are trying to make it a bigger/scummier thing than it actually is. Combined on top of all this, BW has been catching steam from other players and you seemed to have hopped onto it as well. You seem to only hop onto wagons that have a following going behind them then actually going to find your own type of thing to do but then try and propogate it as your own when you add your own two cents into it and act like you are the one leading the charge when the fact is you are just cookie cuttering what others have said about disliking BW but in a harsher tone. (FML at the current time which you have ditched and don't care about anymore)

7. You also don't say anything about the Kary wagon or anything about FML really besides saying you don't give a **** which you obviously had to have given some amount of **** if you wanted him dead in the first place. So which is it? Do you care about FML enough to get lynched or was that just a lie? Why is the Kary wagon a "gtfo" response? Do you have a town read on this slot and you feel that it's a dumb pursuit? If so, what do you make of Zen and Ranmaru?

8. I also had another question for you, marshy. That is, why did your sudden suspicion of Zen completely drop off the face of the earth once Zen reached out his hand towards you? It looked like you dropped it so that you could have Zen on your side more than you previously did. I find your reads currently to be rather fake, phony, and forced based on how people treat you and how other people think of them.

9. A big reason I find you as scum is because you seem to be looking for the easy way out of a lot of things whenever you post and I have to say I do not like it one bit and at this time, I find you much more scummier than anyone else in the game. I have been holding this back a bit to see what would come, but you continued to post in the same light.

10. I have a few more questions for you. What do you think of KevinM's drop of me? You used to talk to me a lot about knowing that you can almost 100% always read KevinM whenever I would say to you that he always looks scummy to me. So explain what you are feeling about KevinM besides the fact that he is KevinM. His posts hold little substance but have enough to gauge a read upon unlike your whack Vinyl push. I'd also like reads from your side personally on Zen/Ran/Kary and throw in Kantrip as well. I also need from you a comment on the Bardull claim since you have seemed to completely skip over that in your version of a catch-up post. You have seen the role in question multiple of times in your years of playing this game so I want you to look at his claim post and tell me what you have to offer as insight towards it.

That's all from me regarding you but at the current time I have to say that you are looking terrible to me so for now you are the person I am most comfortable in voting for now.

Vote: soupamarioyoshiluigiwario
1. i curse a lot and tell people to die. you know this

2. this day needs to end and youre not my top play of the day

3. what are you saying here? im voting gova cuz of badwolfs actions yes. im not relenting on the SLOT cuz the previous players actions are scummy. thats what drew me to it

4. im saying thats hes focusing his time in the thread REACTING and crying about pb+j going after him. initially bwolf interacted with pb+j by questioning his "defense" of bardull. then pb+j came back and and bwolf focused on the emotional aspects of the back and forth...why? it just comes off as him going out of his way to victimize himself. hes gaining nothing by engaging pjb in this manner. his attitude IS his play cuz he shifted his posts from questionings bards claim to what i just described: holing up and starting some weird emotional rant with pb+j. already explained why im not chasing you

5. im serious. am i not allowed to question people cuz you consider them weak at the game? i think his answers to the questions i posed will help me get an accurate read on him so if you dont like it tough. i already explained that my view of this playerlist is that nearly half of them arent terribly difficult lynches. im not gonna pull punches cuz you want to baby people

6. i hit this in point 4. youre also spinning what i meant about badwolfs replacing out. when he ragequit people started seeing this as a move that indicates that hes town. theyre making a judgment on his alignment in part to it despite his previous play which i think is scummy. i HATE seeing a scummy slot get a free pass just cuz they replaced out of the situation. ima also call bull**** on your accusation of me just following others and riding wagon momentum. i guess youve forgotten about my spat with bardull early in the game? and challenging zen despite no one else really disliking the slot? your "cookie cutter" accusation is cute but my actions show otherwise. and theres hardly even a wagon dude. im the second vote and i was the first vote on fml before i changed it. its like if im voting with anyone else you just process 'oh marshy is wagoning *******'

7. when i say "i dont give a ****" im saying he can die for all i care. its just that badwolf is my first choice but im not going to huff and puff my chest against the fml wagon which id also be happy to see go through. karebear...meh. hes straight null to me but weve got better lynches to be fukked outta hear. that said rans a strong townread of mine. zen is a slight townread

8. zens play struck me as scatterbrained and my experiences with him in previous games tell me that he does this regardless of alignment...but theres a rhyme and reason to each alignment if it makes sense? like i remember erb mafia when zen latched onto scum early in the game and nearly wagoned them to a lynch. but then town got distracted and we just lynched some other *******. that was pretty much the whole game til near the end when scum killed our asses. then look at legend of mana where he just pushed my lynch on bull**** reasons. THAT is what bothered me about zen. his reads didnt resonate well with me. he wanted to lynch pjb cuz of "intuition" but the dude had literally like one post that wasnt sayin ****. karebear was on his scumlist due to meta but he himself admitted that it hadnt been strong if i remember correctly. then i was scum cuz of my bardull situation but he dropped that once soup explained what was going on and his meta on me which i thought was bull**** cuz i dont even remember making long posts like that as scum. you yourself have said what i do as scum. i say "lol hbc #swag cmon bros" but i sprinkle in a bunch of throwaway one liners for the sake of maintaining a presence in the thread. i wasnt doing that here and i KNOW zen knows i do that **** cuz he modded those games where i did that as scum. so it looked like he was pulling meta out of his ass or maybe years old meta that i dont even remember but would be negligible regardless. so basically i saw him pull what i thought were ****ty reads left and right and tryna act like hes a boss which is my perception of zenscum. i stopped pursuing zen cuz soup townread him

9. vague. why even add this paragraph? i feel like youre trying to scare me away with the large size of your post but stuff like this holds no water for me

10. first off i dont appreciate you ****ting on my approach to vinyl as a "whack push". there is literally no whackness in my being and im pretty sure theres no rule saying i cant question people just cuz j doesnt

really though here are my reads

kevin = swag

zen = slight town

ran = obvtown

kantplay = null

i REFUSE to publicly analyze bardulls claim. i appreciate you pointing out that ive seen the role multiple times however i know frozen has as well and thats the kinda thing thats right up his alley

-and then soup tag-teamed this ***** so let me just say one thing to you:

we are not two people, we are one slot. get the **** outta hear with this whack ass reading of us individually. i will not respond to specific things answered to me and neither should marshy but we both got tired of your whiny ******** so marshy wanted to handle it. i'm given the honors of responding to you also however.

But another thing to bring up that I seemed to have forgotten to mention. You went from voting FML to now being the one voting with FML. Why would you be voting someone that FML, your prior biggest scum-read, is voting currently? It makes no sense at all since you made such a fuss about him earlier in the game.
you're implying that there isn't an obvious connection between them or not that it could go either way. i don't have a solid case on it but i'm pretty sure FML's opinion on badwolf is ****ing terrible and we've pointed it out once or twice, however i have to ask you something: you really think that's gonna stop us? i don't give a **** where fml has his vote because frankly all his vote is doing is showing how scum he is, because he's been on this bw thing all gorfdamn game with broken logic that's been contested multiple times with plenty of players chipping in. he doesn't have a last leg to stand on and frankly the fact he's on bw doesn't matter to me because of this. what do you think j? you think they're both scum? you think one is? which? i think fml would look pretty bad if he stopped voting his partner at this point considering how adamant he's been about it. don't you agree? i also think it would make him look bad even if it wasn't his partner, and because they're both trash it's just a matter of which one to take out first.
 

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Why didn't you vote FML here? Bardull's VLA so your vote being on Bardull doesn't do anything.
keep pressure on bardull

Also tell me. Why were you using a different persona in the early game and now you are all calm?
shouty at FML? not relevant when they start to flail

Because he's hated? It seems like you are trying to twist him being here during his VLA as a reason to invalidate him claiming early due to the fear of dying early because of his role. You aren't really considering that he had some free time (no class as he said) and you don't really care to reconsider if he may be town here. You are just trying to make him look bad.
yeah but he didnt say 'im claiming because im hated'; he said 'im claiming because ill be v/la' and then he wasn't even that v/la. and im not trying to make him look bad. im just trying to get a read on him. apparently everyone else is immediately fine with him b/c of his claim, and that's not cool.


It's because
blah blah its because you trust zen over me. or whatever. i'm not scum so push something useful
 

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yo fml

Us moving to Badwulf was a gut move on my part(Rake).

Factually I started it, and you and Zen picked it up while em and orbo moved sidelong to vinyl. If you want a reason it could probably be summed as me n Orbo are Vinyl experts. I told orbo he could move or Vote to Vinyl when he pointed out some middling concerns. So yes, we started it. And now Zen is providing some pretty spot on legitimacy to it beyond my gut feel on his reaction to my unvote post which he misconstrued as being directed to him, when it was directed at Kary.

I'd like you yo lay out why me moving my vote the one time reads as scum intent. From your pov I have something that sticks on BW. not to mention your wording of "Looking for something that sticks" suggests BW is innocent in the situation which is not what your currently pushing.

So what's up ?
i don't really mind if you want to play hot potato with your vote.

but when it comes to explaining it, instead of saying something like 'ehh we didn't really know who needed the most pressure' you're digging yourself into this stance where somehow it was all part of the plan for you to vote badwolf then immediately change. that's just crazy and sounds like you're making **** up

the other thing is, when people are asking about what you've done, it seems like you keep trying to undermine them, like saying 'i don't know why you think that' or 'i don't see why that is scummy'

so consider this the reasoning behind me calling you scum. you can claim now
 

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yo fml



i don't really mind if you want to play hot potato with your vote.

but when it comes to explaining it, instead of saying something like 'ehh we didn't really know who needed the most pressure' you're digging yourself into this stance where somehow it was all part of the plan for you to vote badwolf then immediately change. that's just crazy and sounds like you're making **** up

the other thing is, when people are asking about what you've done, it seems like you keep trying to undermine them, like saying 'i don't know why you think that' or 'i don't see why that is scummy'

so consider this the reasoning behind me calling you scum. you can claim now

It wasn't a plan an I don't get how you think I'm trying to make it seem that way, Orbo told me he didn't like Vinyl's 96 and I told him to lay it out for me. He did an I told him he could move our vote but I was going to keep looking at BW while we hung around on Vinyl. It just happened, what can I say. We voted BW, an got a reaction, Orbo pointed some stuff out on Vinyl an we moved. Us moving was not conducive to our interest in BW dying, we were still just as interested. The assertion that our interest in BW died when we moved our vote is flawed, as i've said, I don't need to be voting someone to be looking at em.

I also understand what you think, it's just flawed wrt your second point. I'm not attempting to undermine people's position, I'm trying to understand why they are scum reading me, if they lay out what's what I can try to explain and move on / back to catching scum. Plus, a lot of people's reasoning so far doesn't make a lot of sense. I try to look at it from their POV an explain it to em.

PJB, SoupaMarsh and J are prime examples.

I'm also not claiming at L-3. Dat don't make no sense.
 

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Kanty please tell me what you found scummy about FML...I don't really understand your #177 why you found that scummy. Also why did you move your vote from J to FML. thanx
 

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RR and Gova both are going to vote with me so that's three votes.

I can resist... but you're just too... tall for me. :( Also, going by your golden rule if really want me to vote with you.

Unvote

Before that though, can anyone be a little more explicit on why FML is scum. When I skimmed the thread I just saw a lot of posts calling him bad or his posts bad/ugly etc. Didn't see much substance. An example of this would be why people find Kary scum. Those posts were a bit more elaborate.

On the topic of my slot, victimization is a mindset not a play style. So, anyone who thinks this slot is scum for having those dastardly evil things known as feelings, well actually, I have nothing to say to you except that you're wrong.

Saw Bardull's claim and actions that led up to it.

Glad that #hbc didn't take off.

I have mixed feeling about Zen, I think most of his reads are meta? But they're constantly undergoing chance and analysis. Can't tell if that's him actually analyzing play based on meta or him just looking for something to stick.

J is in the same boat in that I find him null. Can't put my finger on what it is though.

S&M aka Soup and Marshy, no clue what they're going on about. J's already pointed it out but I don't know how you can justify someone having feelings or being emotional is scummy. Well, emotional I can give but that doesn't really apply in this context. I could give a few reasons why that reason is well, lacking.

Well, from my skim those seemed to be the most prominent players and happenings. BBL, gonna go play BL2.
 

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I need to take a bit of a V/LA guys. I just found out my Grandpa has lung cancer. I'm going through some emotional troubles right now and it would be best if I spend more time with my family instead of mafia right now.
 

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Imma break this down real nice and simple.

FML voted for BW. Didn't do much with the vote, or really apply any kind of pressure to him whatsoever.

Then they removed the vote, and moved on to Vinyl, of all slots.

When Zen and I formed a wagon on BW, FML claimed responsibility for the BW push that resulted in people scumreading him.

I denied that FML had anything to do with the BW wagon, but they continually insisted that they were, in fact, the wagon leader. They insisted that BW was scummy, despite not having actually pushed that idea themselves until a wagon had formed.

Why? Why do this, as town? Why insist that this wagon was your responsibility? Isn't it just good that we found scumwolf? Because distancing. FML's original vote on BW was distancing. They did not want BW to die at all, they just wanted us to think they'd be ok with him dying. They made no actual attempt to lynch him whatsoever, but when other people wanted to kill him, they hopped aboard the BW train like nobody's business. Ya know, for credit.

The connection between FML and BW is so strong that it's painful. Two random town slots would not interact the way they have. The only way BW/Gova turns up town is if this is somehow an elaborate plot by scum FML to frame BW, which is hardly likely, or even worth the effort put into it.
 

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Haha, good one PBJ. Your theory only works if you know I'm scum, which you can't know. You also fail to mention some of the other possibilities such as FML is scum who thinks I'm unrelated scum and wants town cred for the lynch if I flip, or that FML is town and thinks I'm scum and wants thread power for a correct scum lynch, or you know he's town and wants credit for a scum lynch so other people thinks he's town and that's one less person people have to look into.

The moral of the story: I don't drink.

Also, feel free to point out how you know I'm scum if you want to stick to your story.



Also, I think I get why I find J null. Seems like he's defending lynch targets but attacking high-priority players. J I'm not sure where you stand with respect to who you want gone. I know I'm not really in a position to ask this of you but it would be much appreciated.
 

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None of that makes any sense, because I never insisted that I know you're scum, not that it matters. The other possibilities you present, such as you and FML being seperate scum factions, don't really matter because it still nets us scum, so I dunno where you're going with that.

Being a townie who demands credit for lynch is dumb though, why would someone do that? Like, yea I'd probably want credit for a job well done, but the levels of insistence coming from them does not look like someone who wants a pat on the back, it looks like someone who wants to establish something. You thread power theory is bogus, because neither Rake or Orbo are players who particularly crave thread power, and if they thought you were scum, why would they care about it if you were getting lynched anyway? None of that fits.
 

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Also, I think I get why I find J null. Seems like he's defending lynch targets but attacking high-priority players. J I'm not sure where you stand with respect to who you want gone. I know I'm not really in a position to ask this of you but it would be much appreciated.

It's quite alright since I have been rather vague so far. I don't think what you are saying is true with defending lynch targets/attacking high priority people but it does make sense to what you are saying. I'd like one of S&M or FML toDay. FML is scummy in his own behalf but would also be able to give a substantial amount of connections and reads based on his flip due to everyone in the game having a say in the wagon whether it be for or against it. It's alright to ask especially since you are trying to get into the game being a replacement and all so I can understand why you are not exactly in the position nor do I really mind it. If you have any other questions you can ask me. More so that I like your slot because of BW so even though you are replacing in I still have a towny read on you.

You said you could give reasons as to why Marshy's push on you is bad. Could you show these reasons yourself?
 

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Why am I scummy in my own behalf J ?

I'm still waiting on answer's to my questions to you btw.
 

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You said you could give reasons as to why Marshy's push on you is bad. Could you show these reasons yourself?

Yeah, it all ties into victimization is a mentality not a play style. Just by numbers BW playing the victim is way more likely to show up in thread if he's town since he can be targeted by more people. On the reverse, this mentality is also less likely to show up in thread if he's scum since there would potentially be less people attacking him. Or it might not even show up at all if his scummates were the ones that were attacking him. It's really a numbers game and I know lots of people like numbers and sort of like logic.

The point is if that you're looking for a common denominator of BW in the way of "oh he threw a hissy fit in this one game, he must be scum" but not even consider that the real common denominator in both of those games would be that he let the insults get the better of him (see: he feels personally attacked and as a result replaces out.)

I've included a picture for those of you who don't understand.

 

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None of that makes any sense, because I never insisted that I know you're scum, not that it matters. The other possibilities you present, such as you and FML being seperate scum factions, don't really matter because it still nets us scum, so I dunno where you're going with that.

Being a townie who demands credit for lynch is dumb though, why would someone do that? Like, yea I'd probably want credit for a job well done, but the levels of insistence coming from them does not look like someone who wants a pat on the back, it looks like someone who wants to establish something. You thread power theory is bogus, because neither Rake or Orbo are players who particularly crave thread power, and if they thought you were scum, why would they care about it if you were getting lynched anyway? None of that fits.

I think these are your words: "Isn't good we just found scumwolf?" You're making the assumption that I'm scum. And it does matter because your theory doesn't even hold solids without that assumption.

Side but important note, if you aren't insisting that I'm scum then why even make that post to begin with?
 

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EBWOP: Your theory of BW <-> FML post.

Also, I wouldn't hold it past Rake to get high on power. He's definitely a person to get carried away in my opinion.
 

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When I say "isnt' it good that we found scumwolf", I'm not the one assuming he's scum. FML makes the same assumption. They think BW is very likely scum, that's why they want in on the wagon so bad. I'm not making any of the assumptions, FML is.
 

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I just used the word "assumption" 3 times there. It sounds weird... must edit :/

My point is that I'm not responsible for the way it looks. There's no spinning going on, and I'm not assuming things. It's just the way it actually is.
 

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[quote="PrivateJoker-Brown, post: 15548596, member: 208178"
Why? Why do this, as town? Why insist that this wagon was your responsibility? Isn't it just good that we found scumwolf? Because distancing. FML's original vote on BW was distancing. They did not want BW to die at all, they just wanted us to think they'd be ok with him dying. They made no actual attempt to lynch him whatsoever, but when other people wanted to kill him, they hopped aboard the BW train like nobody's business. Ya know, for credit.

The connection between FML and BW is so strong that it's painful. Two random town slots would not interact the way they have. The only way BW/Gova turns up town is if this is somehow an elaborate plot by scum FML to frame BW, which is hardly likely, or even worth the effort put into it.[/quote]


Yeah, right. Doesn't look that way to me. It looks like you're trying to analyze why FML would do something. It looks like you're making the assumption that it's scumwolf, not FML.

Either way, you're using that assumption to call me scum, which is unfounded.
 

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Dude, what're you talking about? I don't have to assume you're scum for FML to look bad. Let's do it your way, and assume you're town. Why would FML want to jump on a wagon - even lead the wagon - he's unsure of, or worse, is town?
 
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