Scott Pilgrim vs. The Mafia | GAME OVER: Infinite Sadness/Finest Hour

[#HBC | Joker]

i probably said you were being dumb. there's a difference. but this is completely irrelevant

you should try your best to be nice to people. even in mafia games.

whether I actually do it isn't important.

I believe the exact words you used were "you continue to be an utter waste of space".

Keep in mind I was a newbie playing in my second game, not knowing a damn person here or having any real reason to stick around for that kind of treatment. You were the IC, tasked with teaching me how to play this game. You were on a very short list of people who made me feel legitimately unwelcome. But I didn't cry about it.

 

[Kantrip]

Way to be a **** soup. There's such a thing as "tack". This isn't even related to the game, it's more so how oyu treat another person when they say that they're pissed off at everyone.

Tack? I do hope you mean tact.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

This has gone on long enough. Nobody here is perfect, so the scolding can be done with. No more chiming in on the subject of hand holding and singing kumbayah is necessary.

Let's get back to the game. What do people think of lynching FML toDay? Are you just not interested, or are you waiting for more dayphase to play out? Chiming in on this is acceptable. It's preferable, even.

 

[Xivii]

I really don't understand why Ran and I are the only one's able to read Kary accurately :// Odd that Kary is scum in both Circus games he's been in. I'm not going to do a gambit like day cop here for the sake of getting us to win this time though.

 

[#HBC | J]

Out of the FML/PJB debate, PJB came out looking like a town bro. PJB can definitely live for now and I am more inclined to join the FML lynch due to his posts just becoming significantly worse and worse as he keeps on trying to squirm his way out of it. BW is more than likely town and just frustrated but it seems for good reason and that's more of an outside of game thing but seriously people need to stop acting like their so tough when it's really just sad.

If KevinM is being serious about his push on me, then his response to zen about not seeing the "evidence of my scumminess" when he hasn't done anything is not surprising of KevinM but more indiciative of scumKevin then townKevin where he would actually do something besides just poke jabs at me. It's similar (for me) with his MP2 and Skies meta but need to see more from him before I finalize my opinion on him.

Kary is fine for now as well and so is Kanty. Add Zen as well to the "do not want to lynch toDay category."

 

[#HBC | J]

Zen, I seriously do not get your KaryScum read. Walk me through it a bit.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Zen, do you have a case?

If not, would you consider joining the FML wagon? We have cookies.

 

[Kantrip]

Yay J is nice and right! All I need is for him to be town and we can be friends!

J, you're town right? I want to be your friend.

 

[#HBC | J]

Well duh. But you voted me so why should I wanna be your friend? :'(

 

[Kantrip]

I'm sorry, I was naive and impressionable. The swag charm of KevinM and his posse got the best of me and I couldn't see reason. I was caught up in the moment of RvS, it's something I've never experienced before. I assure you, you keep up how you are now, and it won't happen again. <3

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Care to elaborate on why my posts are so eww by comparison , J ?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

I also don't know what I'm squirming out of from your pov. But w/e.

You should tell me why kary is townie to you since I share that opinion, but I'm betting for different reasons

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Let's get back to the game. What do people think of lynching FML toDay? Are you just not interested, or are you waiting for more dayphase to play out? Chiming in on this is acceptable. It's preferable, even.

i'm fine with it. don't wanna rush the Day tho.

I really don't understand why Ran and I are the only one's able to read Kary accurately :// Odd that Kary is scum in both Circus games he's been in. I'm not going to do a gambit like day cop here for the sake of getting us to win this time though.

Kary is fine for now as well and so is Kanty.

please elaborate on what you like about Kantrip. I can normally read Kantrip but right now i've got nothing.

 

[soupamarioyoshiluigiwario]

request votecount

this day is gettin ********. badwolf or fml today final answer. currently leaning the former. zen we in there? ima discuss the plays town needs to make later today

 

[Circus]

"Some rules are made with all intentions to break."

Vote Count
J [3]: Badwolf28738, KevinM, Red Ryu
FullMetalLynch [3]: soupamarioyoshiluigiwario, Potassium, PrivateJoker-Brown
BarDulL [2]: Ranmaru, Kary
Badwolf28738 [1]: Zen
soupamarioyoshiluigiwario [1]: BarDulL
frozenflame751 [1]: Vinyl.
Vinyl. [1]: FullMetalLynch
KevinM [0]:
Kary [0]:
Red Ryu [0]:
Potassium [0]:
Ranmaru [0]:
Zen [0]:
Nabe [0]:
PrivateJoker-Brown [0]:

Not Voting: frozenflame751, J, Nabe

With 15 players alive, 8 votes are required for lynch.

*Friendly but assertive reminder to everyone in a hydra that you're in a hydra and that only that hydra is playing this game. I've gone over the OP and realized that I neglected to actually mention anything about posting on hydra in the rules. Because of this, all heads who have posted off-Hydra up to this point have been given a pass. BUT the OP will be updated as of this post to include the following rule, which will be enacted as of this post:

• A hydra will receive a MOD vote for each time one of its heads posts in thread off-account, regardless of whether or not the hydra later quotes the offending posts. There is no limit to the number of MOD votes a single hydra can accrue, but a hydra cannot be hammered by a MOD vote. MOD votes expire at the end of each Day phase.

 

[Xivii]

FML: please actually answer the two questions I posed at you in #233.

FML:

What do you make of joker's interaction with BadWulf?

Not scum mates.

FML: Please for the love of god stop playing so arrogant. It's very irksome and you just look really scummy for playing that way. I understand that maybe you're trying to make some play adjustments, but it's really just coming off as douchey and unlikable.


Kary:

#1
Bardull's claim essentially stopped him being waggoned. But his claim is null. He's not claimed anything that can be proved, or that is necessarily town. So he still needs to be pressured.

#2

i'm still voting Bardull

Why come out and say that you were just voting him for a reaction? Does that not defeat the point?


Kevin:

Will be able to post after work. for now would rather Zen not try and discredit wagons with lines like "When does KevinM vote on actual evidence".

Just because you can't see or refuse to see scummy behavior doesn't mean that I don't vote on evidence.

It's not like that. What I'm saying is accurate man. You don't give any evidence. I'm not discrediting anything, I'm merely stating the truth.

BW:

I'm not necessarily lazy. Rather, busy. I have work from 3-10 just about every ****ing day this week and I'm just trying to keep up. I don't understand why I can't have a different view on it without people pulling out the torches and pitchforks.

I know you work. I also know you're lazy when it comes to mafia. I know you're not in activities that actually matter. Please answer the two questions I asked you in #232.

As for you getting upset. That's just the way the game is played man. You shouldn't take anything personal. We've all been insulted in game at some point. We are just people over the internet who don't know each other irl (mostly) so yeah don't take it to heart man. You gotta be a swift as a coursing river, with all the force of a great typhoon, and the all the strength of a raging fire.

 

[Xivii]

PJB I still have a slight town read on FML and I think Badwolf is the best lynch today. Also an answer to smylw.

 

[Xivii]

Has anyone noticed that Kary is posting a lot of fluff posts that don't matter at all? Why was Kary defending Badwolf from the moment he and PJB go into it? All PJB said was idiot and Kary felt the need to bring attention to it for no reason at all man.

Why is Kary getting on Bardull for making a post while he was on V/LA. Note to Kary, the LA stands for LIMITED ACCESS.

 

[Xivii]

Like I just seen Kary make the rudest posts to newbies in the current newbie game. Why is he going out of his way to bring attention to something that doesn't matter at all in this game when it's clear it's not even something he truly believes in.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Kary:

Why come out and say that you were just voting him for a reaction? Does that not defeat the point

I didn't say I was voting him for a reaction. And I'm not. I'm voting him for a reaction and because I think he's scum.


As a side note, I don't know why it is that people always think that somehow a pressure vote is worthless if someone knows it is a pressure vote.
If you've ever been scum, reading the game in RVS and someone votes you, you're always going to notice that. It's going to make you feel a bit weird even though you know they have absolutely nothing on you.
The point of a pressure vote is to elicit a reaction, to get something. Obviously, someone's going to react differently if they know you suspect them, or know you don't suspect them. But they're still going to have to react, and they can never know exactly what you're thinking.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Like I just seen Kary make the rudest posts to newbies in the current newbie game. Why is he going out of his way to bring attention to something that doesn't matter at all in this game when it's clear it's not even something he truly believes in.

you're not allowed to talk about ongoing games


elaborate on why my posts are fluff

 

[Xivii]

Why do you think he's scum?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

No? Why do you say this? What about his post at all gives you a town read?

Think about this: Why would Kary need to get a reaction from Bardull AFTER the wagon had dropped? AFTER Bardull had ALREADY CLAIMED? His reasoning is fake. He's unvoting because I called him out on it.

I've said my piece but I'll repeat it for your sake.

My gut is telling me kary is town, your saying he's unvoting because you called him out, but the alternative he countered with is just as likely.

Not only this but I def feel in this situation as scum, Kary's continued need to draw attention to himself only subverts his own team and I'm not feeling he'd do that. Kary's a smart enough player to know that unvoting would catch your attention and cause you to be suspicious. He did it anyway, he's either extremely cocky as scum which I've never seen of his scum game to my recolllection or he's town and don't give a dam

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Why do you think Bardull's scum?

because he was kicking up a lot of **** he didn't need to be kicking up. then he claimed in response to slight pressure, rather than either waiting til he needed to claim, or claiming at daystart.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I did not unvote.

please read thread.

 

[Xivii]

you're not allowed to talk about ongoing games


elaborate on why my posts are fluff

lurkers gonna lurk

this isn't relevant to the game, but I didn't think this post was very nice of you.




I just want the best for dgames

you can all stop posting as far as i'm concerned. content per post is so low it makes **** all difference.

Irony is a thing. BRB getting your ******** questions towards Bardull.

 

[Xivii]

That is a huge post from someone who claimed because they were worried about getting bodied while they were V/LA. Like, you get a hated role and you wanna claim that D1, fair enough. But you worried about getting bodied while you're away? and yet here you are.

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BarDulL said: ↑
Marshy's slot has this capacity for quick lynching players with the utmost levels of ***********. People inadvertently get caught up in this wave of dumb (see: Deadpool Mafia) and considering that Marshy's slot was pushing against my slot, it was entirely feasible that said wave of dumb would pull together enough sheep for unparalleled levels of sheepage while I was away. I threatened Marshy that I would take him to the grave with me if he continued his pursuit. He continued, and then I claimed.
cool.


if you're worried about soupamarshio swinging bad lynches, why did you go out of your way to call me out earlier:

BarDulL said: ↑
Badwolf, Vinyl, please actually do things this game so bad players like Kary won't easily get away with mislynches.

?

Seriously mate both of these are some hard core reaching. I don't think you think Bardull is scum at all. I feel like you're just trying to make something out of nothing. As I said above, LA = limited access. We've already established that Bardull has been known to get quick lynched. You going after him finding time to post after he declared V/LA is very silly.

The second question is just as silly. You're just trapping his words.

 

[Xivii]

Yeah I just looked at the quote you quoted from him. His post was a direct reaction from you and doesn't have anything to do with his one of many summaries for why he claimed. You're just manipulating the quotes/situation to fit your pseudo scum read.

 

[Circus]

“I say I’ve never heard the tune, but I have. I just hate the band ‘cause they remind me of you.”

Gova replaces Badwolf!

 

[Xivii]

I've said my piece but I'll repeat it for your sake.

My gut is telling me kary is town, your saying he's unvoting because you called him out, but the alternative he countered with is just as likely.

Not only this but I def feel in this situation as scum, Kary's continued need to draw attention to himself only subverts his own team and I'm not feeling he'd do that. Kary's a smart enough player to know that unvoting would catch your attention and cause you to be suspicious. He did it anyway, he's either extremely cocky as scum which I've never seen of his scum game to my recolllection or he's town and don't give a dam

Alright so what about his #226 specifically gave you a town read at that exact moment?

 

[Xivii]

because he was kicking up a lot of **** he didn't need to be kicking up. then he claimed in response to slight pressure, rather than either waiting til he needed to claim, or claiming at daystart.

@bolded: but what does this even mean even. lol?

@second part: So are you just not taking past games into consideration at all? You really can just read the beginning of deadpool or DK mafia >.>...
He crumbed his role like 17 hours into the game and flat out claimed just over 24 hours into the game. You say it would have made sense for him to claim right at the start, but does this not approximate as the start especially when he merely had a few votes on him as you said? Your thought process is contradictory here. You say that he should have claimed when he didn't have much pressure (ie the start), while at the same time saying that he didn't have enough pressure to claim.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Seriously mate both of these are some hard core reaching. I don't think you think Bardull is scum at all. I feel like you're just trying to make something out of nothing. As I said above, LA = limited access. We've already established that Bardull has been known to get quick lynched. You going after him finding time to post after he declared V/LA is very silly.

The second question is just as silly. You're just trapping his words.

I'm just pushing him on stuff I'm concerned about. Namely, the reasoning behind his claim (I asked him why v/la was the reason for his claim) and the posts where he kicks up **** unnecessarily (like saying I would lead town to mislynches if inactives didnt post).

you're literally just on my case because i voted bardull, and apparently you only disagree with that because you don't think it's something i'd do as town. just shows what you know.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

zen i literally loathe explaining things to you

@bolded: but what does this even mean even. lol?

@second part: So are you just not taking past games into consideration at all? You really can just read the beginning of deadpool or DK mafia >.>...
He crumbed his role like 17 hours into the game and flat out claimed just over 24 hours into the game. You say it would have made sense for him to claim right at the start, but does this not approximate as the start especially when he merely had a few votes on him as you said? Your thought process is contradictory here. You say that he should have claimed when he didn't have much pressure (ie the start), while at the same time saying that he didn't have enough pressure to claim.

ok. so you notice how bardull was namedropping players left right and centre? not necessary. why did he do that? what's the town motive? suspicious.

and if bardull is town i would expect him to go
a) oh im hated i should claim that straight away OR
b) ok so im a PR not gonna claim unless i have to, less info for scum

if bardull was scum i would expect him to go
a) ok im not gonna claim unless it helps me

for example:
oh look i might not be getting through D1 without getting waggoned, maybe I should claim now.

he literally claimed because he didn't want to get waggoned. that's like the #1 reason that scum claims.

 

[#HBC | J]

please elaborate on what you like about Kantrip. I can normally read Kantrip but right now i've got nothing.

Kantrip is more on my like list don't want dying toDay because he is making good posts in my PoV. We agree on quite a lot and so if I were to say he was scummy/dislike able I'd be a complete hypocrite so that's why I like him at the moment. So it's not a pass to endgame by any means but at the moment Kantrip is okay in my book.

you're literally just on my case because i voted bardull, and apparently you only disagree with that because you don't think it's something i'd do as town. just shows what you know.

@Zen: This is a very true point I am seeing to your case on Kary and you do have a habit of doing this when someone disagrees with you. Disagreeing with you=/=scummy. After Kary pointing this out about your case it makes it hard for me to even follow/agree with you on it. Plus you point out Kary's posts being fluffy is indicative of him being scummy. Tbh, that's what Kary normally does in game. He is a fluffy poster normally but if you delve into his posts you can see what is actually going on. So that's why I feel he is not scummy or scummy enough to pressure a lynch on him. I like him enough to stay toDay but looking into him could be warranted. Someone who would be a tracker/cop thingy pick. *That should answer you question FML*

 

[Xivii]

That's not the only reason why I think you're scum. You're not really scum hunting. I think you voted Bardull because it's a safe place to keep your vote. You can keep it there because you know he's not going to be lynched. The questions you ask him about your apparent concerns are very bland and not concerning. Your nitpicking things that don't matter. He's the only person you're "pushing" . I use the quotations because you're not even really pushing him as a real scum read. The only reason you guys are even interacting is because of his analysis on you. You're not putting much out elsewhere. Sure you asked those general out of no where brownie questions a couple pages back, but yeah don't really know the point of those other than to look like you're doing something. FML keeps saying that I'm undermining your intelligence when it's he that is undermining yours. You know how to look like you're playing your town game, easy goin, and off in your own world. But I can always see that you are actually investigating in your own way. Here it just looks like you're trying to come off that way but there's nothing behind it at all. You're not LOOKING into anything. You're just posting to post. There is no sense of ignorance at all from your posts.

 

[#HBC | J]

Seems I may have spoken a little out of turn before this more recent paragraph describing your scum-read on Kary.

Hmm, Zen, answer me this truthfully. Is your major argument against Kary is meta and that you say you know how to read Kary confidently to make that the prime issue? I see that you have other evidence that you have presented but I want this answered more.

 

[Xivii]

My reads are mostly always based on meta T_T

 

[#HBC | J]

My reads are mostly always based on meta T_T

*poker face*

 

[Kantrip]

J, me and you having reads that lined up is not the basis for a townread.

For example, I still don't trust you because you're being so non-committal. Where's your vote at? Where are your hard stances? Who are players you DO have a solid townread on so much so that you'd take them to endgame?

 

[#HBC | J]

J, me and you having reads that lined up is not the basis for a townread.

For example, I still don't trust you because you're being so non-committal. Where's your vote at? Where are your hard stances? Who are players you DO have a solid townread on so much so that you'd take them to endgame?

Haha you are kind of preaching to the choir on your first line. I know that's not a basis for a townread but it's something that makes me okay with having you around on D1 at the moment. And tbh, on D1 I am uncommital and I don't make strong reads till D2. Sometimes I do get those strong reads but it's also the fact that it's a large-grame and more people to look at. I do better with concrete connections. My vote is nowhere at the moment because I am debating on joining the FML lynch since I feel he is the best to go toDay.