Scatz's controls are like a religion...

[Chaco]

...he just converted three of us. They are the best for Yoshi, no matter what anyone argues.

Scatz might just be Jesus.

Discuss.

 

[Metatitan]

IMO they aren't unless u really wanna DR... i mean if u use secondaries to cover a variety of matchups (like any sane person) then the control set doesnt really serve a purpose. but yeah i guess if u really really really wanna DR....

 

[Airborne]

seriously, though. try his setup and DR with it then reconsider DR being "completely useless and too hard"... ******* and your "xxa is too hard", scatz makes it too easy with the BEAST SETUP!!!

 

[Metatitan]

i use xxa and its not hard... i just dont see that much of a use for DR. even with DR f smash is extremely punishable

 

[Airborne]

i use xxa and its not hard... i just dont see that much of a use for DR. even with DR f smash is extremely punishable

was talking about people that won't try it b/c it's too hard for them. wasn't directed towards you. =P was just meant for certain people.... *cough* ace *cough*

 

[Metatitan]

green ace has managed to place higher than most yoshi mains out there and clearly has no need for DR. hes probly tried it and realized how little use it is

 

[DiscoShark]

Might wanna make that 4 people converted.

I had to admit I was skeptical at first; one look at the control scheme would raise eyebrows for even the most frequent visitor of the Yoshi boards (we should all be accustomed to wonky control schemes by now) . I hit up the YB-Cstick format for the first time today and within probably no more than 20 minutes I was pulling the DRs Once...twice...3...4...5...6... times in a row. This coming from a person who had trouble pulling off the DR 1/7 times with the traditional YY-A/XX-A format.

I'm convinced, YB-Cstick Fo' Lyfe.

 

[Gindler]

I've never even heard of green ace *going to check rankings after this post*


More on topic, I'll have to look at this scheme. I don't see a need for DR except maybe against snake to get a Fsmash in but w/e it'll be good to know.

 

[Silent Beast]

I need to jump on the bandwagon and try this out.

IMO they aren't unless u really wanna DR... i mean if u use secondaries to cover a variety of matchups (like any sane person) then the control set doesnt really serve a purpose. but yeah i guess if u really really really wanna DR....

Are there really that many characters that require you to drastically change the controller setup to play them effectively? All the Scatz setup really does is switch the functions of the B and X buttons. Re-adjusting from the old controls shouldn't take too long.

I've never even heard of green ace *going to check rankings after this post*

Green Ace pops in once a week to let us know he placed in the money at the weekend's tourney.

 

[bigman40]

In all honesty, unless someone can place DR/DT as useless as Infinite Jumping, SuperJumping, and ELFS then you MIGHT make me consider not working on this move. Anyone that can't provide enough reasoning is being ignorant, and neglecting on trying something out to it's fullest abilities when it could possibly help Yoshi move through this stagnant meta-game he's at right now.

Also LOL @ Chaco for making this thread! XD This very day, Elef, Chaco, Airborne, and Disco have changed mainly B to jump since it is, by far, the easiest method to DR/DT.

IMO they aren't unless u really wanna DR... i mean if u use secondaries to cover a variety of matchups (like any sane person) then the control set doesnt really serve a purpose. but yeah i guess if u really really really wanna DR....

Stupid reason is stupid. I use this setup for my secondaries, and they aren't affected in any way as you make it out to be. As a matter of fact, I could easily make Mario, Pikachu, Bowser, and PT my secondaries if I wanted to (they're almost as good as my Yoshi now). Seriously, you're not doing any help to Yoshi's metagame. Stop trying to pull my attempts down by your pessimism.

 

[auroreon]

Anyone saying DR/DT isn't usefull is just in denial.
Im pretty consistent using them and I can tell you they are deffinatly worth learning. I don't use it as much as I would like, I simply forget during the heat of battle, but when I do it pays off.

Scatz controls are great for DR/DT, but persoanlly... I use Tap Jump X A, and its works very well for me, I can DT easily with that setup. But, most Yoshis don't use tap jump so it really is worth giving Scatz control scheme.

Also, I don't use any secondary. I haven't learnt to use any other character but Yoshi since I imported the game on its US launch. Sure, it means I lose a lot, and maybe my sanity is a little off XD, but at least I lose with Yoshi! C'mon, thats a bigger victory than winning with another character.

 

[Scarlet Jile]

What do you use for special?

 

[bigman40]

What do you use for special?

I personally use X as special.

 

[DiscoShark]

What do you use for special?

For me personally my special is Z. X has always been grab for me and typically I dont use specials unless I'm going for the surprise Yoshi Bomb kill or using ETS. It works for me.

 

[Shiri]

I wanna tryyyyyy~ ._.

 

[.Marik]

Control configurations get?

I don't know. I'm too used to XXA ad using Z to grab. :\

 

[Silent Beast]

You can keep Z to grab. The only changes you'd need to make are to make B jump and move specials to another button, like X.

 

[.Marik]

You can keep Z to grab. The only changes you'd need to make are to make B jump and move specials to either Y or X.

Oh, I understand.

But wooooooooooow that's going to be pretty... different at first.

 

[bigman40]

You can keep Z to grab. The only changes you'd need to make are to make B jump and move specials to either Y or X.

No, you can't change the controls for Y. If you change that, then you can't slide your thumb down the controller (cause it's Y B C-stick). The only change the needs to happen is B to jump and then find a place where Special would make you feel comfortable (most of the time it's X cause it's no need to have 3 jumps).

 

[Silent Beast]

Ah, right. Fixed.

 

[Drakkhonian]

I see scatz must have talked to Chaco after he talked to me (or before, and that would suck because it would burst my bubble SO badly).

Anyway, didn't try it yet, but defitinetly gonna try if I'm lucky and get my new brawl tomorrow.
Gonna let you guys know when I'm finished testing.

Love ya!

 

[Chaco]

I can DR better than ever now, and I love Scatz. No homo, but <3.

 

[VSC.D-Torr]

I, D-Torr, the black sheep Yoshi, was playing with YBC-Stick throughout most of the day today, and I find it fun. I still prefer my original settings, going YLA, but I will continue to damper with Scatz method. Only thing is that I will not use R as special, like Elef does. It is so hard for me to shield/spot dodge with X, so I will switch them around. Plus leaving R as shield will allow me to continue using Diddy at a high level.

 

[YoshiIslander77z]

they should make sumthing that allows u to save a movement ona button then everyone would be using the dr button. i may try ur setup grampz/jesus/scatz/some black guy whose good at yoshi

 

[bigman40]

they should make sumthing that allows u to save a movement ona button then everyone would be using the dr button. i may try ur setup grampz/jesus/scatz/some black guy whose good at yoshi

If DR/DT itself could be set to just one button in brawl, then there would be exactly NO tech skill involved. That's making things FAR too easy.

 

[Frown]

Do you still use the c-stick for smashes?

 

[bigman40]

Do you still use the c-stick for smashes?

I only changed the controls for B and X. C-stick is on default (which is smash).

 

[Depster]

hm my CC is pretty easy to DR with. YXA with one slide is pretty easy. I may try that one though just in case I decide to switch back to Cube

 

[Poltergust]

I've tried it and I can't seem to get it to work. I'll stick with my old controls, thank you. =/

 

[bigman40]

I've tried it and I can't seem to get it to work. I'll stick with my old controls, thank you. =/

You got AIM, MSN, Yahoo? I can explain it to you on that.

 

[Poltergust]

No, I don't. My computer blocks it.

And I already know how I'm supposed to do it. You just slide your thumb across the buttons needed to perform it. I just have an easier time doing it using my old controls.

 

[Cliche-Guevara]

Heh, I dont actually DR as much as I could in my matches (well at all tbh), but i pull them off decently in training mode using R X A.

Using Y would be a pain for me since I use Y to grab as my Z button is broken.

 

[Depster]

I tried, I don't like it much either, but I tried setting taunts to jump, and I got some DRs out of that by doing what I think the game picked up as d pad>x> a (or c stick, idk)

I think I'll stick to CC and will encourage others to try it, especially cause cube controllers won't be here forever XD (and a wired CC is coming out =D)

 

[~Firefly~]

As intruiging as this control scheme sounds, I think I'll stick with my tap jump/B-sticking configuration. Setting the C-stick to smashes will eliminate my ability to double jump after egg toss, and I'm no good at adapting to new control schemes. I tried converting to tap jump off a while, and it just felt extremely awkward. >_<

 

[Cliche-Guevara]

How do you do things like retreating Fairs? Approaching Bairs?

Bsticking seems too limited for yoshi imo.

 

[Silent Beast]

Am I the only one having trouble with the slide? I always seem to hit A before I get to B.

 

[bigman40]

Am I the only one having trouble with the slide? I always seem to hit A before I get to B.

Angle your thumb so that you avoid hitting A. What is Yoshi doing when you attempt it?

 

[Silent Beast]

Upon another try, I guess you really just need to hold your thumb pretty much vertical to the controller. While I'm certainly nowhere near 100% with the DR, I was successful enough times to be satisfied. Count me among the converts. Praise be to Jesus Scatz!

 

[bigman40]

Lol. You don't need it to be vertical to make it work. The tip of your thumb can do it for you (I can do it by either the side of my thumb, or on the flat part of it), you just have to keep the fatter part of your thumb from pushing down (that's where I claimed you need the angle). I'll have some kind of video to show you guys what I mean about it.

 

[~Firefly~]

How do you do things like retreating Fairs? Approaching Bairs?

Bsticking seems too limited for yoshi imo.

I haven't really thought about that specifically, but I can do those reasonably well using just A and the control stick. I know it's limited in some ways, but it works fine for me.