Uhh...just to let you know, Giza, I've never broken out of an infinite, to my knowledge. I don't know where you got that from.
I am 100% sure you did. It was the first time I actually saw the infinite so I remember it distinctly. Azn turned his back to the screen while doing it, and you got out of it.
...In MvC2, many top tier characters like Magneto and Storm have plenty of deadly infinites that aren't banned in tournament play. When facing these characters, 90% of the thoughts in your head will pertain to evading those infinites. Same thing should happen when playing against ice climbers. I believe Forward mentioned a plethora of things to do to avoid getting wobbled, and those should be taken into account.
I think it might be because these people just are involved in Smash and may not even consider it a real tournament fighting game. Though I wouldn't be surprised if they fought to call it that. But I think its important that we all understand the idea of competitive fighting games in general before making sudden decisions about our own game.
Giza I know why wallbombing and such are banned. I was only creating a common thread between banned tactics and showing why Wobbling is inside that common thread. Nothing you have said counters the idea that Wobbling, along with tactics that are banned, all share the fact that they massively decrease the interactivity that Smash offers. Yeah the game is reading your button inputs but regardless of what your opponent is doing you can do your button input and take a full stock off. So what if you can "mess up" People can mess up wallbombing too, and so if they mess up it wont be stalling anymore. It's not that easy to mess up. If you watch videos of me vs Azn Lep and Wobbles, anytime the wobbles started I was dead. No one has ever messed it up on me.
Actually that's a gray area too. What if there is a ceiling/wall around? People can tech off those and live at 200%. However if you do it at 999% it becomes insanely tough to tech off of. Someone could easily claim that they aren't stalling, they are just worried the person MIGHT tech it and survive unless they do it to a really high percentage. And that's a valid claim actually I'm just saying why you can't actually designate a percentage for stalling.
Well I'm gonna make another post here and he can continue this in a more appropriate topic later, or just at the triweekly. People can mess up on wall bombing as well, but the only use of wall bombing that is banned is stalling. You CAN use wall bombing to recover. So in a way Wall Bombing isn't entirely banned. Secondly, it is only 1 stock per wobbles, you got 4 stocks right its not that bad. It isn't completely broken and unavoidable, the IC's with wobbles are no Akuma in ST, they are still beatable. IC with wobbles may be top tier but I don't even think they would be above Fox on the tier list even with wobbles taken into account. Maybe I am just a Sirlin nut though and maybe thats just why I differ from all of you. Anyway, I guess if we do Azn's Dirty 'N' Wuss rule I can still get my training in, but I dont really like the unfair advantage you give to the wusses during a tournament but I will live with it.
P.S. guys, sorry I was such a jerk (except to Tony) about this before but I have really been fighting for wobbling for awhile and felt really good that such a tactic was bringing up a bit more. When I saw it was suddenly banned here I sort of snapped about it.
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Anyway, I got a question about banning neutral stages. You can only ban them after the first match right? So the first match is still set on random with no banning right and just one veto?