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To be honest, I think some people take Sakurai's opinion too close to heart, and I'm competitive player, yet I don't find his point upsetting. He basically just wants a game anyone can get into, that doesn't mean he won't make it competitive. It just means it's not his KEY focus. I think a lot of people forget that.
To be honest, I really don't let Sakurai's words get me. I will play Smash competitively no matter what happens. Heck, I can get competitive with just one pebble. So as long as I love fighting games as a whole, I will always remain competitive.
Casual focused? You know casual players don't give a crap and probably don't even remember Brawl? Casual players are like my girlfriend who played Brawl once, laughed at it's ridiculousness, and never ever played it again. Melee sold over 9 milion copies and everyone loved it and played it with friends and family. No one took it seriously except for that small percent, it was loved just like every other game in the franchise. You're not casual and neither is anyone else who registers on this website. "failure" seriously you need to stop trying so hard. If you were bad at it that's your fault. Casual players won't care if they win or lose.
lol dude just shut up. if this guy hadn't ever said a word about anything then none of this stuff would have ever crossed your mind. melee wasn't a failure in anything, you don't have the slightest clue as to what you're saying half of the time.
For the one percent. Everybody else barely noticed it's inclusion.
He's just saying that there's more competitive tailored games out there. Which is true. If you're still complaining that Smash isn't competitive enough, you're looking in the wrong place for it.
That was yet another mistranslated article. He just repeated what he actually said.Sakurai is tsundere lol
"I won't make any other balance patch!"
"Well, maybe, we could do it in the future, but they are not important"
Have you ever seen the two sides interact? It doesn't matter how well it sold, the game basically became that overly complex fighting game it was specifically made not to be. People essentially become shut out of the game because they want to win, but they want to play a game that didn't require much harder execution then it did at casual play.
Can't just pick up competitive Melee, while you can with SSB4. That's the point.
I've been saying this for years, so...
I feel ya, I wish we really had a more competent director. I don't mean to be super rude or anything but Sakurai is kind of washed up as a developer at this point. He was amazing with 64 and Melee but then his views just started to suck and affected like half of the Smash community because he implemented his views into Brawl. I can't really talk much about Smash 4 because it's still young but so far i just can't get into it and i hate to say it but it feels like Brawl 2.0
years? nah u prob started saying it when brawl came out seeing as how your profile indicates you didn't really play melee much.
No,you aren't.I think it dosen't really matter either.
I can't help but point out that Sakurai did it himself.Not trying to start anything.
I've played plenty of Melee with Wavedashing and the like, but it never really stuck because all the good characters were all too similar.
"If you play Smash Brothers seriously as a competitive game, the game itself has no future." is crossed out, dude. It's a mistranslation. "If we direct Smash ONLY at competitive players, it has no future" is 100% true. After all, that's the philosophy that created Smash in the first place.
doesnt matter. casual players don't care if they win or lose and they're not hanging on gaming blogs or forums with a dedicated intent to argue about smash brothers lol. melee is just more fun and exciting, i dont even know how to do those techs and it's still 10x more fun with friends because we like fast fighting games. brawl is slow and boring and smash 4 is the same way. i agree smash 4 has a better balance in the characters, but that doesn't amount to much when half of the matches online everyone is just doing keepaway/projectile spam/rolling. its boring. end of story. rolling is too safe and your shield can withstand a nuke and not break.
No, casual players are everywhere, and they do indeed care if they lose. A casual player doesn't have to be some kid who buys the game on a whim, it can be an adult who's kept hawk-eyes on the game since it's announcement. In this situation, a casual player is somebody not interested in competing in tournaments or online. And if a casual player is asked to choose between Brawl and Melee for the mechanics, they will overwhelmingly choose Brawl for things such as buffering and rolls that aren't clunky garbage.
I'm not complaining exactly... I'm more trying to clarify, or trying to make clear a specific difference in competitive depth. Smooth lander and the gravity thing are gimmicks and not true depth.They make the game faster, sure, but without the curve of reward for players who take the time to learn aand perfect a difficult AT.
You're right, I shouldn't speak for other players. As I said, I just find these customs to be a gimmick, and the suggestion to add them to competitive play and call it more like melee is, in my opinion, deluded.
So true, and I think that all the time.
This is probably the stupidest comment in this whole thread. If this makes you regret purchasing and supporting Smash 4 then don't consider yourself a Smash fan. Smash 4 has alot of great things about it with very minor things that aren't so great. But overall, it's an amazing game. A huge step up from Brawl but that's my opinion.
those aren't casual players, they're low skilled players. sorry mate but a casual player doesn't care about winning or losing a game of smash, and they're def not on forums or blogs writing about video games.
Wavedashing was discovered and first used because of items. Yeah, no.
and real quick, shut up about wave dashing. literally no one i knew who played melee back in the day knew what techs were or wavedashing. we still stomped each other for fun. saying it ruined the game is a clear indicator of your BS level being obscenely high.
Heh, just ask who's a casual player in the social topics, and ask if they're interested in winning.
When the two groups are forced together, there's usually conflict. People, given the option, would much rather complain about something they can't overcome then actually overcome it. Like the rampant rolling complaints. Do you really think we need more to complain about?
ROFLMAO no one on this site is a casual player. casual seems to be your nice way of saying low skilled, like i said. if you think casual players are chillen on smashboards, you're socially out of touch.
Overcome? What is Smash supposed to be, our dayjob? It's a friggin game for fun, and if it's not fun, it's not fun. Kinda like how Mega Man X7 sucks, why should I play it?
Somebody beat you to the joke months ago. Although for Kid Icarus instead of Smash.
Ask right now. Ask, oh say, BluePikmin.
So, people aren't supposed to overcome things in video games? Heh, guess you don't like overcomeing the technical barrier to Wavedash.
i aint asking squat. if you registered on smash boards and spend time out of your day discussing the games and looking to improve you sure as hell arent casual. seriously, plz try and resist the urge to respond with more bs.
Dude I'm not playing in tournaments so no one I know wave dashes. Literally, no one did when Melee came out and no one cares. You spend too much time here.
Sorry for the long reply, I forgot to reply to this. I said he was different vision-wise. I don't mean eyesight vision but how he views Smash in general. I can't see someone who intended for wave dashing to be in Melee to take such a 180 and say competitive players should go and seek out competitive fighters since there is no value at making a competitive game (League of Legends say Hello). Umm, but Sakurai did not consider both fanbases equally so this continued to segregate both sides of the fanbase or forced one side to play more casually which makes both sides into one (most likely Sakurai's intention). He shows his nods to the Melee fanbase by incorporating Omega mode, and adding in characters from Melee (Dr. Mario and soon to be Mewtwo) but if I'm trying to understand the Melee community those nods are appreciated but were never required in the first place. What mattered to them most was the gameplay and Smash 4 didn't meet their expectations.
Sorry, my sarcasm skills aren't quite what they used to be.
Heh, I can't stop laughing. You are currently on a largely casual site, and most people sign up because of hype and leave a month later. Take a look at the post after yours, he doesn't believe skill barriers should be a thing.
You can bet that you would of been if Melee had online. Don't believe me? So much as mention Snaking and people know you're talking about MKDS. People say that players mostly wouldn't Wavedash online if SSB4 had it, but that's a lie. MK Double Dash as Snaking just powerful, if not moreso, then DS and yet it was basically impossible to find a non-Snaking match.
Brawl lasted up untill about a year ago. And now Nintendo is supporting tournaments. It'll last a looong time.
