Official [SA] Adelaide/ South Australia Smash Community

[Grim Tuesday]

Whoever it is, stop spamming the thread.

 

[Ghostbone]

ACD has Luneth's posting style imo....hmmmm
Who is it is probs some interstater
Edit: no it's probs Nova
Dammit live topic ninja'd

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Who is it? is Nova.

ACD is Luneth.

 

[CAOTIC]

a word of advice to the adelaide smash scene, and anyone else for that matter -- if you continue to respond to nova's posts, threads will be locked, or accounts will be infracted. i'd recommend completely ignoring any future alternate accounts and if you need to speak to him, use another means.

 

[DoMo.]

why are you moderators so mad? let us talk to him in peace. ban him from posting outside of SA smash topics i don't know - it's rather annoying that you keep doing this. zzz

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Don't you understand the severity of the situation, Ross?

He may be fine now, but what happens the next time he posts a picture of boobs on this forum? HM!?

DO YOU NOT CARE ABOUT THE WELFARE OF THE POOR, YOUNG, IMPRESSIONABLE CHILDREN WHO COULD BE SUBJECTED TO SUCH HORRORS!?

EDIT: Hi Nova.

 

[DoMo.]

LMAO.
Perhaps the moderators are so power-hungry and so anti-woman - they have lost all means of sense and thus ban people for the stupidest things.

in other words, get the pole out of your *** mate and leave nova alone ^___^

edit: Hi Nova

 

[CAOTIC]

your call really

 

[DoMo.]

/new morderator please. kthanks

 

[wh1te5had0w]

/new morderator please. kthanks

I agree, so damn ridicules you would permanently ban him. I would understand if you had just given him a temp ban.

Also if you start banning other people for power hungry means there is nothing stopping us from using proxys or alt accounts. IMO it's just going to turn into a large mess.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

How funny would it be if all of the SA players posted from proxies, lol.

 

[wh1te5had0w]

You know we should Protest for Nova's sake.

 

[Eagle]

So Nova spams the thread with naked hairy men, but boobs and it's like gtfo.

Anyways, if there's room, I'd like to come to Chris' meet. Maybe Josh's but he's kind of far and that's quite a bite of effort.

 

[Luneth]

And I thought we lived in a free internet :/
(not responding to mysterious 7777777 person)
But really It would be nice if mods left this thread.

 

[swordsaint]

mods killed the perth thread/scene

mods are killing the adelaide thread now too.

I do not believe it to be coincidence.

Northern territory is the smartest smash state. Not having a thread on smashboards just shows how intellectually mature they are.

 

[CAOTIC]

Nova’s seemingly made his defence post quite lengthy, so the least I can do is justify my position with a response.

Firstly, if I may take my moderator cap off, I agree with you on many points you’ve made. I have always understood and acknowledged your role in the SA scene and I’d like to do as much as I can to assist that. I understand that my response has been one of power (not really through arrogance, since I’m prepared to work with you to find a solution), since the purpose of a moderator is to use their power -- they exert authority over others. Also, I believe you aren’t deserving of a Permanent IP-Ban, since you have shown a commitment to your scene and that alone could arguably make many of your violations ‘trivial.’ To date, I have only permanently banned your alternate accounts.

Unfortunately, the mutual agreements end when I put the moderator cap on. Anyone on SWF, no matter how ‘significant’ or ‘insignificant’ they are to their communities, are not exempt from the global forum rules. As an organiser of the SA scene, you carry increased responsibilities to ensure the way in which you post does not place the rest of the community at risk.

To explain this further, a balance needs to be achieved between you, myself (as a moderator) and the community-at-large, so that the threads you inhabit foster positive activity, such as meets, tournaments or being a place to chill and have fun. The moment you to decide to explicitly violate posting guidelines (which you are the only person to still currently do in Australia, using my own knowledge), such as censor dodge, post with abusive contempt for others, post during ban periods, or post visually explicit images, you are going to run into a conflict between yourself and myself, or other mods, whether I like it or not. And if you get banned/stay banned, you’re losing your ability to properly co-ordinate your scene, which needs its leader.

I have only threatened to infract people if they encourage your proxies and I think that’s fine from my moderating perspective. I'm sorry if my posting style misled others to believe I would act irrationally. I will only resort to a thread lock if it means I can stop people temporarily rebuking, whilst I work with you properly to solve the matter. The suggestion by others to use alternate accounts and proxies as an act of rebellion would be unfortunate, since randomly generated accounts and multiple accounts through proxies can be prevented on SWF, and can be enforced by other administrators that wouldn’t be able to relate to the smash scene here like I would, if I were to resign as a mod.

Nova, I know you are rational and sensible enough to be able to separate the Mod Cao from the IRL Cao, like many others I’ve banned, so try to keep things in perspective. I think you’re a great guy IRL and everyone here loves you. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I think I’ll be able to lodge a case to have you posting freely again if you are able to clean up your act – it’s my own personal request. You can get a good balance through posting properly like 99% of other members on SWF. It’s really not difficult to do. If you can’t promise me you can do this, we’ll be back at square one. I’ve always had my own personal biases to the scene, so I don’t want to see a scene disintegrate because of small hurdles that could have been willingly prevented.

 

[Mic_128]

I agree, so damn ridicules you would permanently ban him. I would understand if you had just given him a temp ban.

It's written in the rules that posting porn in a permanent ban and is up to an admin's discretion as to wether it should be changed. He posted porn and was rude and aggressive to the admin who was handling it (and before you say it was me, it wasn't) so it was kept permanent.

How funny would it be if all of the SA players posted from proxies, lol.

You know we should Protest for Nova's sake.

If you want to get banned, sure. If you're serious about wanting him back, post a thread each in Forum Support.

mods killed the perth thread/scene.

No. The Perth scene was already dying/dead (hadn't had a fest/meet since November) and a few Perthites figured that since it was dead they'd have some fun wrecking the thread.

 

[Leisha]

Well I thought porn is supposed to be images of people encouraging sexual things. I can't really explain my point but common it was just a silly nude picture. I've seen people leave death threats on the boards and they'd only be left with a small ban. Look I'm sure nova gets the point now, just please unban him. Our community is starting to lose people as it is, don't take away more people.. especially committed ones like nova.

 

[Jamage]

a word of advice to the adelaide smash scene, and anyone else for that matter -- if you continue to respond to nova's posts, threads will be locked, or accounts will be infracted. i'd recommend completely ignoring any future alternate accounts and if you need to speak to him, use another means.

Unless he says its him theres no way to know. Im not gonna ingore possible new people.

I made a post about getting told off for censor dodging and then seeing the Mod that gave me the warning do the exact same thing seems to have been deleted. Abuse of power much?

Its already been proven to me that mods here have double standards.
Make your swear filter better dammit.

Well I thought porn is supposed to be images of people encouraging sexual things. I can't really explain my point but common it was just a silly nude picture. I've seen people leave death threats on the boards and they'd only be left with a small ban. Look I'm sure nova gets the point now, just please unban him. Our community is starting to lose people as it is, don't take away more people.. especially committed ones like nova.

Exactly. From what I heard it was just a pic of some ******s that most guys (and some girls) probly liked very much and I doubt anyone was offended apart from 1 mod with something up his/her ***.

Hopefully things get sorted out for the best.

 

[swordsaint]

No. The Perth scene was already dying/dead (hadn't had a fest/meet since November) and a few Perthites figured that since it was dead they'd have some fun wrecking the thread.

No. Maybe you're unaware that I was involved, and therefore think I'm not privvy to the truth!

A states thread isn't the same as their scene. Your scene is weak right now, but it's thread isn't. The Perth thread isn't just a place to organise meets and tournaments, it's where people from Perth (and people who know people from Perth) go and have social chats, including the ever so famous "you come here to post that" meme, which is just that for Perth really, a meme, a joke and apart of Perth. Denying them their fun is basically oppression. Most of it was one big joke that you/Vlade/Cao couldn't take. The Thread got locked not because of the initial chatter, I know, it got locked because of what was essentially protest to the chokehold the mods have over anything fun and non-smash related.

This is a social, gaming website, that is in no *real* way an organisation or formal website. This holds true especially for the Australian section, and many other sub-sections that are not USA.

When it comes down to it, Smash, whether it be Melee or Brawl, or just the lifestyle that comes along with being involved isn't some formal obligation, it's recreational and that alone should speak 1000 words.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I don't know anyone who is a part of the scene JUST because of the games, the players are much more of an incentive to play.

 

[CAOTIC]

No. Maybe you're unaware that I was involved, and therefore think I'm not privvy to the truth!

A states thread isn't the same as their scene. Your scene is weak right now, but it's thread isn't. The Perth thread isn't just a place to organise meets and tournaments, it's where people from Perth (and people who know people from Perth) go and have social chats, including the ever so famous "you come here to post that" meme, which is just that for Perth really, a meme, a joke and apart of Perth. Denying them their fun is basically oppression. Most of it was one big joke that you/Vlade/Cao couldn't take. The Thread got locked not because of the initial chatter, I know, it got locked because of what was essentially protest to the chokehold the mods have over anything fun and non-smash related.

This is a social, gaming website, that is in no *real* way an organisation or formal website. This holds true especially for the Australian section, and many other sub-sections that are not USA.

When it comes down to it, Smash, whether it be Melee or Brawl, or just the lifestyle that comes along with being involved isn't some formal obligation, it's recreational and that alone should speak 1000 words.

That's cool, Scoot. But there's still this: http://www.smashboards.com/announcement.php?f=252&a=276

You can still have fun without disregard for the rules.

 

[swordsaint]

That's cool, Scoot. But there's still this: http://www.smashboards.com/announcement.php?f=252&a=276

You can still have fun without disregard for the rules.

My point was that the rules prevent certain types of harmless fun.

 

[CAOTIC]

Hey, I can agree with that too. Pity I didn't write the rules for this place. But I'm sure they are there for a good reason.

 

[swordsaint]

That's why I don't actually hold you personally responsible Cao, or hold grudges or anything. Dunno bout others.

You're just the messenger who get's burned.

 

[Luneth]

Hey, I can agree with that too. Pity I didn't write the rules for this place. But I'm sure they are there for a good reason.

Im sure that they had execution for a good reason too.
That was changed because it was too severe.
It would appear that what is happening is too severe as well.
At least for SA.

 

[CAOTIC]

You SA folk seem like a passionate crew. Perhaps consider posting in his defense as a collective in Forum Support. I can throw my own two cents in there as well, as soon as I can reach some agreement with Nova.

Edit: You're free to discuss the situation if you remain civil. Bansticks go to the obvious.

 

[Luneth]

this is getting a little bit off topic sooooooo
Whats so special about streetgeekX?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

It's bigger and noobs get in free.

 

[Luneth]

elaborate.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Well, it's a larger tournament because more people come, this leads to larger and more numerous tournaments.

You are counted as a "noob" if you haven't been to SG in a year, in which case you can get in for free at SGX.

 

[Luneth]

oh cool, looks like i get in free :D

 

[Hold Down During Peach's D-smash]

Stuff

Sigh.
Why did you have to give me such a rational response given the massive wall of textual insults and drama that I threw at you.
I apologise for that.
I don't have any problems with anyone on here IRL but this is understandably bothering a few people.

I understand that MY posts have been quite on the edge before, but, I actually had a period (before that Perth nonsense in which like 12 people were banned) where I hadn't received an infraction for like 3 months (I can't remember, but there was a longish period where I didn't have any).
The only other infraction which I got AFTER that was the one that lead to a permanent ban.
If the points on the Nova account had an expiry, as I've said, I wouldn't be making alts in the first place.
I feel as if any attempt to say "you may be unbanned in the future if you stop posting with alts" is probably not going to eventuate because nothing is set in stone.
Thus, I assume the ban will never be lifted and I've never been told otherwise and I've been told it's only a possibility from you, where some admins have authority over it. *Shrugs*

It's written in the rules that posting porn in a permanent ban and is up to an admin's discretion as to wether it should be changed.

It's also written in the rules that you can't talk about alcohol.
And you need to look up the definition of "porn" because what I posted doesn't qualify
pornography: creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire

So kindly explain how a picture that came from a medical website of someone's uneven breasts qualifies as sexual stimulation to most people?
So, no, I didn't post porn, kthx.
Partial nudity and flaming at the user I directed it at, yes; porn, no.

was rude and aggressive to the admin who was handling it (and before you say it was me, it wasn't) so it was kept permanent.

What?
The?
Hell?
Are?
You?
Talking?
About?

The ADMIN that handled it was Bionic (i.e. banned me) - I NEVER even brought his name up, anywhere, until now.
After I received that infraction I went straight to forum support; so would you mind not flat out lying?
After the moderation I posted this on forum support:

I believe this infraction/ban was beyond harsh...

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Basically, some user came in one of the Zelda topics and started blabbering on about how all characters in the game were even (even MK, to like Zelda, he claims they were even).

So, I (foolishly, yes, I'll admit) posted a pic of a woman's breasts which were obviously uneven (to compare how even Zelda and MK are in terms of the tier list), I had an idea I would get deleted, but I just wanted the said user to get the point.

Now, while I'm aware that posting pictures such as this ARE majorly looked down on, and I'm also aware that I'm not supposed to use other peoples infractions to justify my own, but I have FLAT OUT seen someone post a woman walking down the beach, topless, and assumed that "topless" does NOT and should not mean "Pornographic", as it seems totally ridiculous as I would never post porn, the image I posted was edgy, and I'll be fine if I just get banned for 3 months or something for it (fair enough, lesson learned), but being banned FOREVER over something that isn't that offensive that I know I've seen posted before (hence me posting it, which as I'm aware is against the rules, but I didn't realise that you will be selectively banned forever depending on which mod/admin deals with the complaint (which I obviously would guess it made by the troll I directed it at).

I don't know what else to say, I just don't feel I should be permanently banned for something that "really" isn't that offensive, as I've seen far worse "TEXT" based insults on here, like people saying they want to kill people, how on earth that isn't worth a permanent ban yet a pair of breasts which is NOT meant to be in a sexual way which can clearly be seen just by looking at the pic), (I'm not saying I didn't deserve to get banned, I'm saying I didn't deserve to get banned FOREVER). Not to mention the fact that I haven't even had a permanent point before, and all of a sudden I get lumped with 6 that never expire...

As I said, if I were banned for like a month, or even 3 months, I wouldn't matter, as I CERTAINLY would never post something like that again, but a permanent ban over a non sexually explicit/pornographic pair of breasts is, in my opinion, a very hasty thing to get banned for.

I also know that you probably get annoyed when people say "well other people have done this and that" on this forum, but the fact of the matter is I did see someone post a picture of a woman on a beach topless once, and they even posted after it that they got a 3 point infraction, as opposed to my 6 point infraction that never expires; you'd swear I posted flat out porn or child pornography with a punishment like that.

Now, Mic, you were the first admin to respond, which was pretty much a response of "Blah blah we don't care, you broke the rules so you're banned forever ".
Then some other twit posted this:
Going against our terms of service allows us to report you to your ISP. Nearly all ISPs charge a fine for reports as it is against their terms of service.
Did I respond to that like a smart ***?
Yes, I did.
Why?
Because I work for the ISP you'd be "reporting" me to and I know full well what the abuse guidelines are and nothing of what I posted would ever result in my ISP ever taking such complaints seriously.
And I've never heard of any ISP "fining" someone; so of course I responded to such a ridiculous post rather harshly.
But I never spoke to Bionic about the moderation, or abuse him.

If you want to get banned, sure. If you're serious about wanting him back, post a thread each in Forum Support.

I already told a couple of people not to use proxies or make other accounts zzz.
Not my fault if they do.
So take a chill pill and don't say I insulted people that I didn't.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Sigh.
Why did you have to give me such a rational response given the massive wall of textual insults and drama that I threw at you.
I apologise for that.
I don't have any problems with anyone on here IRL but this is understandably bothering a few people.

I understand that MY posts have been quite on the edge before, but, I actually had a period (before that Perth nonsense in which like 12 people were banned) where I hadn't received an infraction for like 3 months (I can't remember, but there was a longish period where I didn't have any).
The only other infraction which I got AFTER that was the one that lead to a permanent ban.
If the points on the Nova account had an expiry, as I've said, I wouldn't be making alts in the first place.
I feel as if any attempt to say "you may be unbanned in the future if you stop posting with alts" is probably not going to eventuate because nothing is set in stone.
Thus, I assume the ban will never be lifted and I've never been told otherwise and I've been told it's only a possibility from you, where some admins have authority over it. *Shrugs*



It's also written in the rules that you can't talk about alcohol.
And you need to look up the definition of "porn" because what I posted doesn't qualify
pornography: creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire

So kindly explain how a picture that came from a medical website of someone's uneven breasts qualifies as sexual stimulation to most people?
So, no, I didn't post porn, kthx.
Partial nudity and flaming at the user I directed it at, yes; porn, no.



What?
The?
Hell?
Are?
You?
Talking?
About?

The ADMIN that handled it was Bionic (i.e. banned me) - I NEVER even brought his name up, anywhere, until now.
After I received that infraction I went straight to forum support; so would you mind not flat out lying?
After the moderation I posted this on forum support:



Now, Mic, you were the first admin to respond, which was pretty much a response of "Blah blah we don't care, you broke the rules so you're banned forever ".
Then some other twit posted this:
Going against our terms of service allows us to report you to your ISP. Nearly all ISPs charge a fine for reports as it is against their terms of service.
Did I respond to that like a smart ***?
Yes, I did.
Why?
Because I work for the ISP you'd be "reporting" me to and I know full well what the abuse guidelines are and nothing of what I posted would ever result in my ISP ever taking such complaints seriously.
And I've never heard of any ISP "fining" someone; so of course I responded to such a ridiculous post rather harshly.
But I never spoke to Bionic about the moderation, or abuse him.



I already told a couple of people not to use proxies or make other accounts zzz.
Not my fault if they do.
So take a chill pill and don't say I insulted people that I didn't.

I agree.

As someone who saw said "highly offensive porn", I must say, I'd seen much worse when I did grade 12 Science class.

We had this guy who came in and started telling us how to check ourselves for testicular cancer.

Then he showed us a video.

And a bunch of pictures.

OR WERE WE UNWITTINGLY WATCHING GAY PORN?! D:

I don't think so. lul

 

[swordsaint]

We were shown pictures of guys with elephantitis on their ****s.

 

[Luneth]

We were shown pictures of guys with elephantitis on their ****s.

maybe this would have been a better display of the difference between mk and zelda

 

[toki]

Posts for no apparent reason

 

[Ghostbone]

:/

Nova you should probably stop making alt accounts it's really not helping your case....

Anyway I think the permanent ban on Nova is really harsh, maybe a temp ban for like a month or something if he agrees to stop posting with alts? idk really.

 

[Mic_128]

And you need to look up the definition of "porn" because what I posted doesn't qualify
pornography: creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire

I said ''porn" because it was easier than typing "Pornographic material, nudity or other explicit images" as specified in the global rules. The key word being nudity.

The ADMIN that handled it was Bionic (i.e. banned me) - I NEVER even brought his name up, anywhere, until now.
After I received that infraction I went straight to forum support; so would you mind not flat out lying?

I was referring to the one who you were talking with in Forum Support.

Regardless, this isn't Forum Support where this discussion should be taking place. If you want to argue and debate it, do it over there.

 

[Luneth]

k, but just let nova keep 1 alt so he can argue his case