Ryker Mafia Is Over: Ryker Always Wins

[Circus]

Still v/la esque, but here's an idea. Zen is good at reading J. J has played pretty damn scummy (need a refresher? Just glance over yesterDay). J is probably scum.

This is gunna be a fun day

vote: J

I'll follow that flag.

Vote: J

Circus, what you talking about how I reacted to Soup~?

The flow of the votes and suspicion with you and him felt off to me while reading. I'd have to go back and search for specific examples, which I'm not going to do right now, but your positioning with him was one of the ones that I considered most suspect. You stayed mildly interested in lynching him at pretty much all times, but were always interested in someone else first, if you could get it. Keep him at a bussable distance without actually throwing him under until you really had to. Some of the Soup v. X exchanges felt sincere; yours did not, upon my first read.

brb need2eat

 

[Inferno3044]

AM what do you think of a mass claim? With 8 people alive and 1-2 scum left I think it's pretty helpful.

 

[Gova]

2. dtjglyphmoney ()
3. AM ()
4. The Account With No Name (1) J
7. Inferno ()
8. Circus ()
9. Dabunz (1) AM
10. J (2) Glyph, Circus
13. Gheb ()

Not voting - Gheb, Inferno, dabuz, TAWNN

With 8 playing, it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is set for May 8th at 11:59 CST (GMT-6).

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I wholeheartedly disagree with a massclaim... for now.

Gorf half checking in. I like Circus, and am actually curious about those who were gung-ho on just lynching him for the sake of lynching an inactive. The reason I have no problems with Inferno, @GBizzle, is because of Acrostic. I didn't read Laundry's response, but if you look at Acro's play it's really brownie townie, and unless Inferno does something to bamboozle all of us, that read's sticking.

Agree with my other half on the scum reads... but still think dabuz > J but hey.

 

[#HBC | J]

I am having such hard core flashbacks for Jscum in Bingo Mafia. Go read.

And I don't care about what you think overconfidence does to people in general. We're talking about one very specific person, and Zen would not have acted in that manner without being sure (unless he was scum, but oh yeah! He was town!)

Get out of here with that Bingo BS you always try and bring up when you are lynching me. You can't even use that really as a reason for why you get flashes of Jscum because you knew 100% with mod-info the entire game I was scum.

So because Zen was a raving lunatic, it means he was right? Glad your too stupid to be scum there because this logic is appalling.

 

[#HBC | J]

Can't say he is. When I look at dabuz' play though there's almost no way to tell where the line is between him being "stupid", him being "idiosyncratic" and him being straight-up scummy. It could be any combo out of those 3 factors and as unlikely as it seems it may simply be a combo of him being stupid + idiosyncratic without him actually being scummy at all.

Inferno playerslot on the other hand has nothing "stupid" about it, neither from Acro's side, nor from Inferno's. And there's hardly anything idiosyncratic about the way either player has approached this game either as far as I can see.

What I'm trying to say: Inferno isn't terribly suspicious - surely not as much as dabuz or yourself - but at the same time I find it impossible to interpret him being suspicious as anything other than scuminess for the lack of other options. Dabuz is mighty suspicious and should by all means be dead by now but there's also the odd chance that he's simply incredibly stupid and idiosyncractic - his play surley allows for that interpretation.

Personally, I would place dabuz higher than Inferno on my scumlist regardless. I just think that Inferno is getting way too much credit and if the game is still not over after lynching dabuz and J then Inferno is the first player I'd look at.

I think I get what you mean but it still somewhat confuses me. You should fix that.

However, what I gained from it is that you believe Inferno to be null but because his actions are so null as compared to the other two (Myself/Dabunz) having another likely option of possibly being town due to other things wheras Inferno can just be scum because his actions don't show you town intent. You'd still lynch Dabunz>Inferno though and you more or less have an FoS on him correct?

So lemme get this straight it goes for you like this:

1.) Dabunz
2.) J
3.) Inferno>everyone else

I think I made heads or tails of that, I don't even know.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

To put it simple, I think at this point of the game there should be no such thing as "null". The mere fact that somebody is still a complete null on day 4 is suspicious itself and I can't find any other explanation for it than him being scummy ... unless somebody else tells me.

Laundry, I think you misunderstand me. The part I posted in magenta wasn't me saying that the playerslot's actions are scummy. What I'm saying is that either point of view is equally biased, just from a different point of view. Trying to look at the slot objectively I don't see how anybody could read his actions as anything other than null, unless bias is involved. Feel free to disagree but that's the answer to your question.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Get out of here with that Bingo BS you always try and bring up when you are lynching me. You can't even use that really as a reason for why you get flashes of Jscum because you knew 100% with mod-info the entire game I was scum.

So because Zen was a raving lunatic, it means he was right? Glad your too stupid to be scum there because this logic is appalling.

Ha. You can't discredit Bingo mafia on that grounds, since my knowing you were scum doesn't change the fact that you were scum. And as someone who knew you were scum, I was able to very easily pick up on the things you like to do as scum. Such as trying to get people to restate things they've already said rather and then portraying it as scummy when they don't cooperate (that's actually the reason you first voted me in Bingo maf.)

Zen is a strong mafia player. He made a very questionable choice in the role he chose to claim with and paid the price for it, but the motive is still very clear. So I see:

Strong mafia player + Reputation for reading J + ballsy as **** gambit to lynch J

I do enjoy that you've resorted to saying he was insane as the justification for the gambit though.

 

[#HBC | J]

That game was ages ago and doesn't reflect my meta correctly. You make it sound like that I must follow Bingo mafia meta every time I am scum which is not true. My game-play has altered from that game so I don't get why you are trying to use meta/other people's meta as your stronghold for you case which is complete garabge. Its shoddy reasoning and just makes you look like you have nothing better to offer. If you don't wanna be helpful, fine, I'll go find it when I have the time and then when I find it, it'll probably just be a no more then 4 sentence post as to why I am scum for a total bogus reason that you probably cookie cuttered from someone else.

Your case is bad, get a new one or jump onto one of Dabuz/TAWNN. And quit being just terrible with this "Zen can read J sometimes OMG LYNCH HIM." or "J reminds me of a game he was scum in from MONTHS ago so he must be scum even though I had mod-confirmed info he was scum the entire game."

You are trying to fit me into this askewed vision of how I look as scum when the fact is Glyph, I'm town.

 

[#HBC | J]

So I went and got all of Glyph's posts that mention his suspicion of me and also I decided to just go ahead and get AM's post on Dabuz as well and read through it as well.

This has A LOT of smack against Spidermang. Like, from a noob's perspective, finding this would make him my top scum pick, ergo, throwing my vote on em (and obtw iirc his vote wasn't anywhere at the time). But, he goes ahead and just lets that linger, not doing ANYTHING about it afterward. It's incredibly safe to do if you ask me. Going through scumdabuz' head, it's a perfect situation if he's lynched or if he's not. If so, dabuz has that and says that he felt that suspicion from way back when. If not, he can ignore it and carry on.

More reason to vote Xonar, yet he's so timid to do it...?

And then his 131 is just him trying to... pull back from all that he said by brushing it off and saying it's how Xonar plays when, if that was the case, it'd have been apparent from the beginning. It's quite an awkward back pedal if you ask me.

MAN is he quick to jump the gun on JTB (confirmed town) for voting loosely... when his vote's still nowhere...? Seriously that's not even an argument. Sure, JTB's vote didn't have much to go off of since it was about dabuz' commenting on few random things, but AT LEAST HE'S USING HIS VOTE... Oh and plus let's look at who dabuz has attacked so far: Spider (confirmed scum) and JTB (confirmed town). Bus + easy target much?

Must not have seen this at the time. But still that's bullshiz.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...

I'm not digging this at all. He goes from S Tier to J since the S Tier lynch wasn't gonna happen, and then when told the J lynch wasn't gonna pull through, he goes with JTB when offered either of JTB or Spidey. No real justification as to why JTB > Spidey, hell, I haven't even seen any real reasoning for his JTB hate during this reread, just that

The vagueness and the ability to go down any avenue with this statement haunts me. I can't stand it, and plus like I said he's got the option of one or the other, so he goes with the (obtw town) easier option, for nothing else but a cop out.

YOU DID THE SAME THING EARLY GAME BRO, AND PLUS, IT'S STILL SCUMMY. He keeps saying that spidey had a bad early game, but refuses to outright call him scummy. This is CONSISTENT behaviour.

-insert hurr durr pic here-

And then in pg 22 he gets mad defensive and edgy when people start to hate on Soup.

Oh that's the chainsaw LOL.

Woah woah woah there slow down big boy that goes against what you said earlier about not wanting to see em go and shii.

And then I got lazy.

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That is me copy pasting EVERYTHING that I compiled regarding Dabuz last Night from me and Laundry's hydra QT. Seriously, Dabuz fits like a puzzle, and he HAS to go. Simply said, let's go go go. I'm curious to hear explanation for both Ranmaru on glg rather than others and Inferno on S Tier.

Okay let me go into what I feel about this post. It is decent. I do agree to the fact that dabuz' posts do come across scummy when he is voting because his voting history with his reasoning behind his votes are just straight up terrible. He also looks worse when looking moreso into how he treated Bugboy/Soup because he never really commented on them nor did he really make an effort to change that. The way I got my dabuz read was moreso from the beginning of the game with his posts showing that he was trying to move the game forward and had the intent to do things. However, a qualm with him now is that he is not doing much of anything any more now that he is semi-out of the pressure and he was the same way when J vs. S-tier was going on.

I can see the case for dabuzScum and might consider joining because this case makes my read on that slot much shakier than I had it before with it being null. I still dislike TAWNN this game.

Speaking of @TAWNN: Respond to my suspicions on you.

[collapse=Glyph's suspicions on me he has "explained"]

vote: J

J confirmed mad-tier. Seriously, if you're town, what the **** do you care. You'll flip town and we'll lynch S-tier. If HE flips town, we've got guaranteed scum between TAWNN and Zapp. And all the days in the world to make it happen.

Integrate that into your thought process and you'll differentiate the same things I have.

Its a simple numbers game. Best case scenario, we have one anti-town left. Worst case, two.

Assuming we can trust S-Tier, we know one lies with TAWWN, J, and Zapp, correct? I don't know **** about the other two, but I've at least done some light reading and haven't had any complaints. J's reaction to getting pushed really does sound a hell of a lot like someone who can't afford to be lynched. Not someone who thinks its a bad idea to get lynched because he's town. Someone who CAN'T let himself die.

I really don't think there's a 4 man mafia. Maybe there is, but that's literally the only hiccup I could see to this plan. One remaining mafia and an indy is like, a million times more likely. J could be either one, I don't care really. No matter how you slice it, the indy or the last member of mafia simply can't allow themselves to be lynched. See what I'm getting at here now?

Now say we lynch J, and boom, he's actually town. Well ****, we goofed. I've had problems with S-tier since I started actually playing, but he's put himself in a great situation for us right now. If we kill J and he's town, S-tier gets one last dream in overnight. Then we lynch him, and if he's town we know we have a roadmap to at least one of the two last scum, possibly both.

Worst case scenario, we lose 3 townies and hit one scum from lynches (and that's with a MASSIVE chance of hitting the scum within the first two tries). This is not something I'm saying should be set in stone, since a NK could accelerate the process and put us in a tight spot. But right now, I'm thinking its a very sound course of action.

I don't care if S-Tier is trustworthy. I think scum is between J and him, and J's play has made me feel he's more likely to be our guy.

If that means lynching S-tier and then J, fine.

Where the hell did I just jump on this for the claim alone? We KNOW scum is within those 4 players now. It doesn't make sense for Zen to gambit at this stage in the game, since he'd be the last member of his faction REGARDLESS OF ALIGNMENT. Indy or mafia, if he dies his chances at winning are gone. You think he'd throw away the game just to lynch J? J, who I've said is playing like someone who can't afford to die.

These are not tricky things to understand.

Wow I really didn't think I'd have to spell this out this much for you guys.

Regardless of if there is one or two anti-town remaining, they are the last member of their faction (I guess only technically for indy).

IE if they get lynched, whoops! Their faction loses. GG.

Lets look at Zen. I've got a few points I'd like to touch on irt his claim, but they need to wait until we get the role PM **** confirmed. But the fun part? It doesn't matter. The important part here is Zen has put forth a lynch pool of J, Zapp, TAWNN, and (indirectly) himself. If he's telling the truth (and thus town), one of those three is scum. If he's lying (and thus scum), well we don't really get anything from it information wise. But we kill scum. You'll recall that from basic mafia training as being the thing town needs to do to win.

So there's that. Whether or not Zen is lying at this point is irrelevant, it will be cleared up soon anyway.

Lets look at the fact that he's claiming in the first place. Remember, we're almost certainly dealing with 1 maf and 1 indy remaining. In putting this information forth, he's essentially guaranteed he won't live to end game. If he's mafia, we'll lynch him tomorrow after J flips town. If he's town, scum will probably put a bullet in his brain (barring J being last mafia and indy having no kill).

So here's what we're gunna do. We're gunna lynch J, since looking at his play and how stupid Zen would have had to be to throw away his chance at winning both point to J being the scum. If J flips town, we cut straight to Zen. He'll have another result, leave us with his reads on the two remaining people in his lynch pool, and move on (again, assuming Zen is town). I'm 99% sure at this point we'll have already hit the scum of the 4, but if not we'll all buckle down and make a goddamn informed decision about the last two.

I really don't see why you are all making this so damn difficult for no reason.

You absolutely have, up until the point where it looked like the J lynch might not go through. Then suddenly, rather than actually use reason and logic to persuade town, you opted to lie your *** off to the point of stating clearly 'this is not a gambit'. On multiple occasions. Getting away with scummy things in the past does NOT set a precedence for letting it slide in the present.

That's the dirtiest logic I've ever seen. Inactivity isn't a scum tell inherently, you need meta to give it credence. On the other hand, faking a PR in order to push a lynch for what seems to be little more than your slot failing to produce a persuasive enough case earlier is COMPLETELY scummy within itself. I don't care if you've faked a PR and been town in every other game you've been in, it literally cannot excuse that.

Lets talk more about the willingness to push a lynch on false grounds. You're not new to this game. I don't care how well you know some one, you absolutely cannot EVER be 100% on anything in a mafia game unless the mod has confirmed it. You can be pretty damn sure, but that's it. And yet, you don't push for information to help support your decision. No, apparently that's not the correct line of thought. You took the decision out of the majority's hands and made it yourself.

Not only that, but you had a plan set in place to KEEP that control out of town's hands.

I don't care if you think the whole playerlist is ********, that's not town play.

J is next on the list, pretty much regardless of what you flip.

Still v/la esque, but here's an idea. Zen is good at reading J. J has played pretty damn scummy (need a refresher? Just glance over yesterDay). J is probably scum.

This is gunna be a fun day

vote: J

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I would like to isolate a single quote in these posts:

That's the dirtiest logic I've ever seen. Inactivity isn't a scum tell inherently, you need meta to give it credence. On the other hand, faking a PR in order to push a lynch for what seems to be little more than your slot failing to produce a persuasive enough case earlier is COMPLETELY scummy within itself. I don't care if you've faked a PR and been town in every other game you've been in, it literally cannot excuse that.

Lets talk more about the willingness to push a lynch on false grounds. You're not new to this game. I don't care how well you know some one, you absolutely cannot EVER be 100% on anything in a mafia game unless the mod has confirmed it. You can be pretty damn sure, but that's it. And yet, you don't push for information to help support your decision. No, apparently that's not the correct line of thought. You took the decision out of the majority's hands and made it yourself.

Not only that, but you had a plan set in place to KEEP that control out of town's hands.

I don't care if you think the whole playerlist is ********, that's not town play.

Here Glyph is calling out Zen for being dumb/using the dirty logic and not having a case on me besides gut. Then he continues to say that he "doesn't care how well you know someone" which toDay he sings a different tune with the "Zen knew how to read J, we should trust him." which is complete Hypocrisy to what he said yesterDay. Glyph is just using whatever he can toDay in order to try and get me lynched and even going back on what he feels as well. His reasoning for having my lynch has never been explained and also was based on these things.

1.) Mathmatics
2.) Zen's gambit
3.) Zen's ability to read me
4.) My apparant "survival" thing.

He has not offered anything independently as to why I am scum in his eyes and tries to act like he has by clinging to meta which is a very desperate and poor attempt. The biggest thing he says that holds any weight whatsoever as a reasoning for why he finds me scummy is this:

J, who I've said is playing like someone who can't afford to die.

Which isn't even that strong because he is trying to say "Look J is playing like he doesn't wanna die, must be scum." which is bull****. If you actually knew me, I fight harder against my lynches than I do as scum. Check games like Pulp Fiction and Higurashi. Regardless of self-meta, he doesn't even try and explain where exactly I give off this vibe nor does he try and push any "new" reasoning or show a case of his own that isn't some BS piggy-back from another player.

So, I'll ask you again Glyph, where is your case on me and why am I scum for you in your own big boy words that do not revolve around Zen?

 

[#HBC | J]

AM what do you think of a mass claim? With 8 people alive and 1-2 scum left I think it's pretty helpful.

I'm actually in favor of this tbh. Because it seems the role names of everyone may be a bit different from what we are used to and now we know Zapp flipped town knight(?) we don't know what he was able to do or anything and I have never heard of that role before. We could go one more day without a mass-claim because we may still have a doctor (unless the knight was some variant but I am feeling that is more of a cop variant with the way he was so sold on Soup~ D2 and also the way he tried to say that Zen was town and that we should have just trusted him 100% on that note).

However, the two main candidates for the lynch have already claimed so its really not the biggest deal but it is an idea to throw out there. For me in terms of who needs to die it goes: TAWNN>dabuz>Glyph*this may just be me needing to calm down from the utter stupidity but there are serious holes in his logic*>Gheb's slot>Inferno/Circus>AM.

 

[#HBC | J]

Unvote
Vote: Dabunz

Not gonna get TAWNN toDay especially with it coming down to us(being Dabunz/Myself). My read has also been changed a bit to lean-scum as shown above in the list of dying.

Still got my: FoS: The Account With No Name

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

J I'm having a hard time not laughing in public hahahahahha

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

1.) Mathmatics
2.) Zen's gambit
3.) Zen's ability to read me
4.) My apparant "survival" thing.

Lets start with this, shall we?

#1: Mathematics. While I do consider myself a numbers guy, the old times I put forth claims based on the numbers revolved entirely around Zen's claim. And thus, are obviously non-factors since we found out afterwards his claim wasn't true. I haven't even touched this push, so not sure how it made it to the number one slot on your list.

#2: Zen's gambit. Now THIS is the real meat of why I'm all up ons that lynch today. Lets talk about how hypocritical I am for thinking Zen was scummy for pushing your lynch with a claim that would control town in the manner it was designed to. Guess what? I still think it was scummy. And he paid the price for it. But here's the good part....... he flipped town. T.O.W.N. And what does that mean? It means he was trying to lynch scum. And he was so goddamn sure on your slot that he'd take the extreme actions that he did. And so, we lynch you.

#3 Zen's ability to read J. Zen is good at reading J. Zen is good at reading a lot of people, but he is especially good at reading J. No further explanation needed.

#4. The 'survival thing'. Absolutely stand by this as being scummy enough on its own to merit your lynch. Its why I pushed you above Zen up until his claim fell apart yesterday. The second you had suspicion on you, you blew up like ****ing crazy. Panicked. The reactions you had were not those of a townie, they were those of someone who could not afford to die (ie, scum or indy. Take your pick).

Funny how you're suddenly giving up on lynching your number 1 scum read to push Dabuz. Gotta save your neck somehow, amitrite.

Laundry or Gorf, I want your buns in here and looking at J.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I'm actually in favor of this tbh. Because it seems the role names of everyone may be a bit different from what we are used to and now we know Zapp flipped town knight(?) we don't know what he was able to do or anything and I have never heard of that role before. We could go one more day without a mass-claim because we may still have a doctor (unless the knight was some variant but I am feeling that is more of a cop variant with the way he was so sold on Soup~ D2 and also the way he tried to say that Zen was town and that we should have just trusted him 100% on that note).

However, the two main candidates for the lynch have already claimed so its really not the biggest deal but it is an idea to throw out there. For me in terms of who needs to die it goes: TAWNN>dabuz>Glyph*this may just be me needing to calm down from the utter stupidity but there are serious holes in his logic*>Gheb's slot>Inferno/Circus>AM.

Woooooooooooow I missed this fun stuff in that other post. You put my slot as your third scummiest for pushing your slot when close to every player has the lynch narrowed down to yourself or Dabuz? After you've literally said: 'Glad your too stupid to be scum there because this logic is appalling.' Less than an hour ago. Between the post in question and the one where you suddenly have me so high on your scum list, I made a grand total of 1 posts. In which, I offered nothing new on my stance other than a refusal to back down and a refutation of some points you put forward.

You might want to try posting all in pictures, its more effective.

 

[Inferno3044]

Wait you claimed J? Memory is going bad. I remember your restriction but I don't remember your role. Mind restating it?

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm just a VT this game with a damn posting restriction.

 

[#HBC | J]

@Glyph: That was before I went back and actually looked more in-depth to your reasoning as to why you had me as scum. When I found how little/non-existant and hypocritical it was, you moved there. Gheb is just null as null can get and the others I have stated my reads on them. Basically you just moved down one spot at most so I don't get the entire hoopla you are trying to make at that.

That list wasn't numbered in importance, it was just whatever came to mind. The rest of your big post is literally just you reiterating yourself as Zen this and Zen that like you are a wind-up little ***** toy of his. The last point is the only point that holds anything decent against my slot and the only thing that I am saying to that is, no it isn't scummy and yes it is towny pushing back all the BS that has been thrown my way after not just one but TWO successful scum-reads since D1 that I have pushed.

@My switch to dabuz: Do you even read?

 

[Circus]

For me in terms of who needs to die it goes: TAWNN>dabuz>Glyph*this may just be me needing to calm down from the utter stupidity but there are serious holes in his logic*>Gheb's slot>Inferno/Circus>AM.

Why am I so close to the bottom? I just got here, and my slot has been coasting through pretty much the whole game up until now.

I'm just a VT this game with a damn posting restriction.

Which Ryker are you, and what is the actual title of your role?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

@Glyph: That was before I went back and actually looked more in-depth to your reasoning as to why you had me as scum. When I found how little/non-existant and hypocritical it was, you moved there. Gheb is just null as null can get and the others I have stated my reads on them. Basically you just moved down one spot at most so I don't get the entire hoopla you are trying to make at that.

You're forgetting that you literally said I was too dumb to be scum (ie, town) and then within the hour and with no motive from my slot had be below a scum read.

That list wasn't numbered in importance, it was just whatever came to mind. The rest of your big post is literally just you reiterating yourself as Zen this and Zen that like you are a wind-up little ***** toy of his. The last point is the only point that holds anything decent against my slot and the only thing that I am saying to that is, no it isn't scummy and yes it is towny pushing back all the BS that has been thrown my way after not just one but TWO successful scum-reads since D1 that I have pushed.

Ha! Yeah sure thing champ. You can try to sweep the whole Zen thing away all you want, but I'm not dropping it.

Oh and by the way, you totally were playing scummy. That's (again) why you're in almost everyone's top 2 for being lynched. Not sure where you've got this idea of you having super town (or even a little town) play from.

@My switch to dabuz: Do you even read?

I do, especially stuff you do. Just because you say one thing doesn't mean its your actual motive, especially when there is absolutely nothing for you to gain from changing your vote off of him right now.

So lets put it this way: Why FOS your biggest scumread and vote for the other? Why aren't you more interested in actually pushing TAWNN?

 

[Inferno3044]

Why am I so close to the bottom? I just got here, and my slot has been coasting through pretty much the whole game up until now.

Gheb why have you targeted me for being null but not circus?

 

[#HBC | J]

@Circus: Earlier in the game I started that I liked GLG's earlier posts because they felt sincere. Your slot so far has seemed to be trying to find the right way of things based on the actions that have gone on and you seem to be trying to find scum through re-reading. The only thing I dislike is just hopping on with Glyph when you said Dabuz was scummier to you.

I am Ryker Playing Yomi, I am a VT with an "ability" called Disrespect. I must act disrespectful to all players in the game and if the mods see a time where I am giving too much respect for any player I will lose my vote for 12 hours.

@Glyph: I never said I had a scum-read on you, learn to read. And did you not see what I did in that hour time period? I went back and read all your actual posts in this game. Also the only player I recall having me as scum and actually put some effort into showing why this game has been Zapp/Zen. You sure as hell haven't shown why I'm scummy for my actions sooo basically you are just a hot air blow up doll. Looks like fun, but doesn't give the full satisfaction.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

...are you coming onto me?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Go ahead and clear up your reads for me then, since I'm clearly misunderstanding what you've said

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb why have you targeted me for being null but not circus?

Because the slot has been straight up inactive until the point Circus replaced in. You haven't been inactive, you just avoided to make any kind of input. Even now that my accusation stands on a solid basis you're still not putting a lot on the line to make things happen and prefer to deflect stuff in the old "why do you question me for it but not XY?"-style that doesn't help anybody. If you're town why don't you just cut that and actually participate in anything? Standing on the sidelines and agreeing with the consensus doesn't count.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb why have you targeted me for being null but not circus?

Because the slot has been straight up inactive until the point Circus replaced in. You haven't been inactive, you just avoided to make any kind of input. Even now that my accusation stands on a solid basis you're still not putting a lot on the line to make things happen and prefer to deflect stuff in the old "why do you question me for it but not XY?"-style that doesn't help anybody. If you're town why don't you just cut that and actually participate in anything? Standing on the sidelines and agreeing with the consensus doesn't count.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb why have you targeted me for being null but not circus?

Because the slot has been straight up inactive until the point Circus replaced in. You haven't been inactive, you just avoided to make any kind of input. Even now that my accusation stands on a solid basis you're still not putting a lot on the line to make things happen and prefer to deflect stuff in the old "why do you question me for it but not XY?"-style that doesn't help anybody. If you're town why don't you just cut that and actually participate in anything? Standing on the sidelines and agreeing with the consensus doesn't count.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb why have you targeted me for being null but not circus?

Because the slot has been straight up inactive until the point Circus replaced in. You haven't been inactive, you just avoided to make any kind of input. Even now that my accusation stands on a solid basis you're still not putting a lot on the line to make things happen and prefer to deflect stuff in the old "why do you question me for it but not XY?"-style that doesn't help anybody. If you're town why don't you just cut that and actually participate in anything? Standing on the sidelines and agreeing with the consensus doesn't count.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Wtf crashboards 0_0

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

J, I want you to talk to me about your role. Who does Ryker play in yomi? How is your restriction connected?

 

[#HBC | J]

It says I am part of the DRB. It has a quote from Raz saying something along the lines of people needing to learn about not boner jousting with Ryker. It says disrespect wins games of Yomi and I will be damned if I start showing respect here.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Vote dabuz

 

[~ Gheb ~]

..............

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Who all here frequents the DGames skype call? The actual call, not just the chat. Is it just Laundry and Gorf?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Wrong thread? I check in there at times but usually at a completely different time.

 

[Inferno3044]

I didn't even know there was one. Also Dabuz doesn't sound like a bad choice. I don't know his vote count though.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Wrong thread? I check in there at times but usually at a completely different time.

Not at all. I'm in the DGames call a lot, which means I've heard more of Ryker playing Yomi and anyone needs to have.

The thing is, he is almost ALWAYS playing people in the same call as himself unless its a tournament. And even then, I have never heard or seen a mention of him being disrespectful or that such a demeanor would impact the outcome of a match. For it to have been assigned as a posting restriction, I would think that it would need to be such a glaringly obvious trait of the game that I would have at least seen it once.

And yet, I haven't. There's a lot of 'NOOOOOO why did you dodge there' and the likes, but never any insults towards the opponent. Literally not a single one.


So what does that mean to me? J is full of ****. I believe we're looking at a fake claim to a role that actually does have something to do with being disrespectful, almost certainly another mafia player well known for such a personality trait. Take your pick, there's a number that fit the bill. First one that comes to mind for me is Cello.

But as is, that's just something you need to take on my word. That's why I wanted to get Gorf/Laundry in here to help confirm what I was saying was true.

 

[Inferno3044]

J just curious, do you have any idea if breaking your restriction will be stated?

 

[#HBC | J]

Not at all. I'm in the DGames call a lot, which means I've heard more of Ryker playing Yomi and anyone needs to have.

The thing is, he is almost ALWAYS playing people in the same call as himself unless its a tournament. And even then, I have never heard or seen a mention of him being disrespectful or that such a demeanor would impact the outcome of a match. For it to have been assigned as a posting restriction, I would think that it would need to be such a glaringly obvious trait of the game that I would have at least seen it once.

And yet, I haven't. There's a lot of 'NOOOOOO why did you dodge there' and the likes, but never any insults towards the opponent. Literally not a single one.

So what does that mean to me? J is full of ****. I believe we're looking at a fake claim to a role that actually does have something to do with being disrespectful, almost certainly another mafia player well known for such a personality trait. Take your pick, there's a number that fit the bill. First one that comes to mind for me is Cello.

But as is, that's just something you need to take on my word. That's why I wanted to get Gorf/Laundry in here to help confirm what I was saying was true.

You really are that dumb. You've run out of reason to call me scum, you've run out of breathe screaming Zen's name, so now you attack me role claim which is a simple VT with a posting restriction?

I have no evidence to back up what my role is because I don't even know what Yomi is nor do I know what goes on in the skype calls.

@Inferno: Answered this already by talking it with Ryker. He said "You will not know how it will happen." Also the vote is he is at L-2 with 3 votes.

 

[Inferno3044]

Well let's at least try to prove the posting restriction. According to your word, you can't show respect towards anybody or you will be voteblocked for 12 hours. Luckily, since we have quite a bit of time until deadline, we can test this. J, I want your next post to have the following:

Show an obnoxious amount of respect for me
Have nothing negative towards anyone
Vote someone who isn't me or Dabuz (don't want a quick hammer on him)
Request the vote count