Ryker Mafia Is Over: Ryker Always Wins

[S-Tier]

lol @ Gord
lol @ Glyph

Glyph is town.
Allegory is town.

glg is a llama
Swiss is a llama

Let's get them votes on Soup and call it a day.

 

[Gova]

2. dtjglyphmoney ()
3. AM ()
4. The Account With No Name ()
6. Soup~ (3) AM, Zapp, S-Tier
7. Allegory ()
8. giraffelasergun (1) Allegory
9. Dabunz ()
10. J ()
11. Zapp Brannigan (1) Soup
12. S-Tier (1) Zapp
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - Glyph, GLG, Dabuz, J, Swiss, TAWNN

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is set for April 17th at 11:59 CST (GMT-6).

 

[zapp brannigan]

@Mod: You're not supposed to reveal our doublevote ability so soon ; - O

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Hey Soup~, out of curiosity why were you overly concerned with Swiss in the beginning of the game? I'm literally in the middle of this response to Ranmaru and I see this in RVS.



Are you really that stupid?

That's my way of getting a read on Swiss, I've said this three times now.

don't know. I accepted his behavior in the beginning of D1, since I thought he was pushing on slots for reads. But now that we have a reliable flip, a lot of his logic on who he is looking at is quite awful. I'm appalled why no one out is calling him out on it.

For example, I don't understand why Ranmaru is invested in a connection case from me to you. A logical reach case would run between "player x" and Spidermang, because the only confirmed information we have to work with is that Spidermang is confirmed mafia.

Another thing is him pushing on Glyph/Swiss for being an indie due to purely being inactive. I literally cannot grasp why he chose to push the game in this manner nor why he is so aggressively confident in your scum flip. Perhaps what kills me the most is his inflexibility and unwillingness. He appears to legitimately want you dead early today and isn't interesting in using today to explore other slots.

To put it in a nutshell, I haven't approached the actual points he has made. But if they involve a scum team between us, then he's looking in the wrong direction. And yes, I'm annoyed at him trying to quick lynch someone that I haven't even had the chance to read into or have an alignment tell on. My jimmies are rustled.

He's not here to be called out on it, that's barring on him and not anyone else, I still have me own theory with GLG, but yes, seeing him show up again would be nice.

I admit I was a bit abrasive with my actions wrt Zapp and their push on me, but I agree. They seem so invested in this (or maybe just ranmaru?) and it bothers me that I have to spew fire just to get some sort of actual worth out of it. I literally told them I was not wasting my time arguing. I would like to seem explore other slots too, but I've been skimming a bit more and I see a Vandy response, and those are much less of a headache.

I second that, my Jimmies are rustling on their own.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

lol @ Gord
lol @ Glyph

Glyph is town.
Allegory is town.

glg is a llama
Swiss is a llama

Let's get them votes on Soup and call it a day.

Don't push me, I don't feel like spewing fire again.

Do you have something actual worth besides being cocky and pretentious? I'm not going to accept this tunnel anymore.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Man I'd love to troll you. But seriously Soup, if you think the argument is dumb why cling to it so hard and end up doing rage posts with empty threat votes? You're doing nothing here that helps anyone who is already fine with lynching you toDay. Ignore it if it's not going anywhere, you're better than this. I've told ran to cool it, because frankly he is just repeating himself over and over and not going anywhere. But he is entitled to an opinion and if your responses don't change his mind, that's not on him, but regardless you should both just agree to disagree at this point.

Btw though, feel free to try and push a lynch on us if you think we're scum. But getting into a ragefest with Ran does nothing for me to change my opinion on you, and is telling with where your priorities seem to be in this game.

I was angry. I was emotional. It happens. Do the points still stand? Yeah, ranmaru was really reaching at the end and I will still hold your slot for that, even if I find you way more reasonable to talk to.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Lynch Dabuz and S Tier toMorrow and we probz have the game wrapped up nicely. Will talk with Laundry but he'll most likely agree so yea.

Someone give me an actual case on this slot instead of calling him out, I do not see why you want him dead.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Alright, Zapp. You get Ranmaru to cool his jets and I will be willing to work with you.

What do you think (besides me) should be priority here? I'd like to hear more.

 

[#HBC | J]

Why? What happened?

'Cuz I said so.

But because you can't read in between the lines look here.

I don't believe you and Bugboy could be scum due to your interactions in the first leg of the game with the power struggle/heated battle it struck me more as TvS. I don't find you to be Indy really at all but I just definitely don't see you being on a team with Bugboy. So logically if you were to be scum, in my thought process, you would have to be indy.

However I don't have any evidence to suggest that there is an indy in this game as terms of no SK thus far (especially when keeping RR's vig flip in mind), however, there could be marker or something. I think irrc Ryker likes Indies so one may be in this game in terms of mod meta, but its not conclusive.

So yeah, that's why I have ya as town. Was that so hard to understand?

 

[S-Tier]

Lynch Dabuz and S Tier toMorrow and we probz have the game wrapped up nicely. Will talk with Laundry but he'll most likely agree so yea.

Someone give me an actual case on this slot instead of calling him out, I do not see why you want him dead.

Wine
is
delicious

Allegory what is the Soup's intent here?

1. To further connect himself to town dabuz so that town dabuz is lynched upon his death?
2. To make such an obvious call out so that it appears that he is doing the first?

 

[S-Tier]

Actually J you're better for that one.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Wine
is
delicious

Allegory what is the Soup's intent here?

1. To further connect himself to town dabuz so that town dabuz is lynched upon his death?
2. To make such an obvious call out so that it appears that he is doing the first?

Stop with this. I'm asking you a legitimate question stop trying to theorize it with your scum-read.

 

[#HBC | J]

Wine
is
delicious

Allegory what is the Soup's intent here?

1. To further connect himself to town dabuz so that town dabuz is lynched upon his death?
2. To make such an obvious call out so that it appears that he is doing the first?

Actually J you're better for that one.

Why am I delving into wine that is just terrible?

If I must indulge your dribble, for me, it feels more like Soup~ is calling out a lack of case on dabuz because face it, there is no case on him. I don't think its either option and I do not get why you are limiting the options to the fact that Soup~ must be scum and therefore his actions are black/white.

So in that post particularly, I see the town intent>scum intent like you are saying in your questions.

 

[S-Tier]

It's quite annoying when people choose to ignore you without warning so I'm going to tell you now Soup that's what I'm going to be doing.

 

[S-Tier]

Why am I delving into wine that is just terrible?

If I must indulge your dribble, for me, it feels more like Soup~ is calling out a lack of case on dabuz because face it, there is no case on him. I don't think its either option and I do not get why you are limiting the options to the fact that Soup~ must be scum and therefore his actions are black/white.

So in that post particularly, I see the town intent>scum intent like you are saying in your questions.

Assume he is scum. Then what is your answer?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

it's quite annoying when people choose to ignore you without warning so i'm going to tell you now soup that's what i'm going to be doing.

>_ >

 

[#HBC | J]

Assume he is town. Then what is your answer?

I gave you an answer Zen, that is my thought process and I'm not going to change it just because you have him as a SUPER-DUPER SCUM-READ which you have piggy-backed this day phase. There is also the fact that if you were so pro-SoupScum, what in the world was that GLG vote for?

I really don't think its either Zen and I don't like this position you are trying to put me in because I literally have no answer for you because your answers shouldn't be the only answers. I don't see how Soup~ is trying to connect himself to townDabuz that post nor do I see the aspect of scum-distancing.

This is why I don't deal into certain WIFOM, its dumb.

 

[S-Tier]

For one the fact that he is scum should obvious to you. The fact that it isn't is why you are scum.
Two regardless of whether you believe it to be #1 or #2, the fact that he is attempting to make a connection to dabuz is certain.
Three, while it is WIFOM (dabuz this is a case where this term should be used), there is a tell that leads to it being one over the other.

Allegory what is this tell?

 

[#HBC | J]

Just finished reading posts 1-39. I find it odd that Spidermang comments on his first game with Swiss in his 12, I guess it shows that Swiss is "Famous" to some extent, maybe scary would be a better word considering Xonar's 12. He then asks for Swiss's opinion on a couple players in his 21. Why wouldn't he want to ask these questions to someone he has played with and is familiar with? Considering he just goes for voting Swiss in his 32 and then he pushes in his 36, it looks like he is hunting anti-town players ATM. I don't think Spidermang is reading intentions or thinking his posts through so I do not like him.

Swiss is null to me, this is just how he plays lol.

There are tells in this post. Can anyone figure them out? No? Oh guess I'll have to then.

Town tells in this post aaaand:

It matters because its an odd person to pose such a question to. If Xonar wants info on certain players, it makes more sense to ask someone he has played with and understands. I don't know what is going on in his mind that makes Swiss the first person he wants to ask.

Nothing is inherently wrong with pushing anti-town, I just don't like how hard he is pushing in this instance. After reading 47-62, it looks like Xonar just...does this kind of stuff.

When Swiss has something to look at, I will look at it. Right now he is null.

Note: Finished re-reading up to 62.

This one. He is analyzing the situation between Spidey and Swiss and came up with an opinion of not liking Xonar and having Swiss as null due to the interaction. It seems really odd for dabuz to pose this sort of question as scum especially considering if he posed them to his scum-mate and the like.

Then Zapp says something that I don't like again:

... That doesn't matter. He can ask anyone. It's not odd at all.

Nothing wrong with pushing aggressively either.

It feels like you are just trying to make Spidey look odd, and I don't like that.

Vote: Dabuz

If this was anyone besides Ran, I'd probably go after it as a scum-tell because this vote and push on dabuz is hallow and is reaching for a reason to call out dabuz. He also somewhat protects Spidey in this post because he had him as a town read but the town read was never really developed. It just feels off to me.

 

[S-Tier]

By the way J who is the person as your avatar?

 

[#HBC | J]

For one the fact that he is scum should obvious to you. The fact that it isn't is why you are scum.
Two regardless of whether you believe it to be #1 or #2, the fact that he is attempting to make a connection to dabuz is certain.
Three, while it is WIFOM (dabuz this is a case where this term should be used), there is a tell that leads to it being one over the other.

Allegory what is this tell?

Get.

Lynched.

Now.

 

[#HBC | J]

By the way J who is the person as your avatar?

Katharine McPhee.

 

[S-Tier]

What does she do?

 

[S-Tier]

Dam bulletproof godfather markers. I swear if he put that thing in this game.

 

[S-Tier]

What does she do?

Is she a male? If she is, the sexiest one I've seen.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

This is stupid

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Zen you are being stupid

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Don't push me, I don't feel like spewing fire again.

Do you have something actual worth besides being cocky and pretentious? I'm not going to accept this tunnel anymore.

Someone give me an actual case on this slot instead of calling him out, I do not see why you want him dead.

Will quote later but oh my GOD.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

WELCOME TO MY KI-

wait

wait

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

-snip-

Sorry for the long wall. I was going to just use links but I want people to see the underlined text too.

A...lot of your wall seemed to deal with Acrofling's stances on Soup, but it never stated anything definitive. It's shady, yes, but it seems weak and the connection really wasn't substantiated. It's not like how Soup and Spidey were blatantly distancing each other. The flavor's a bit different, and, honestly, I don't see the scummy intent. Talk it out a bit more. Don't give me quotes, give me your own words.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Yeah but I look for mafioso scum first babeh.

I disagree. Even so;

Soup is scum. I want him dead. And his flip would be funner cuz he IS obv scum. I'm not going for the OH MAYBE THE MAYBE SCUM option. Soup is obv scum compared to Dabooz. So plz can you vote Soup with me?

I like this post. There's common sense in here.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Oh this doesn't need a long and eloquent opinion. You have legit points on Allegory and Soup connection. It looks like distancing and soft poking at him without any substance whatsoever. I wouldn't call him scum for it, because the whole thing relies on Soup being scum as well.
See, if we lynch Soup and he flips scum, your case would hold and Allegory is the one to look at. If Soup were to flip town however, the post doesn't hold much ground.

Personally, I'd say Soup is scum, so your connection between Allegory and Soup is legit to take into consideration, but you know, a connection....
I already have a feeling that Allegory plays a very rational, cold and planned-out game. I don't have a good idea if this is his town or scum play, but when he replaced in some Disco Room mafia (forgot which one), he made analytical posts of each page of the game and looked at things seperately, kind of like how he's looking at players individually and one at a time. His connections can seem weird, I think.

The connection is good, but not enough to solely lynch him for.


That turned out to be a pretty long and eloquent opinion after all!

This is accurate. While it's a good point, it's just that: a point. There needs to be something with a tad more substance here outside of a subtle connection. The paper trail is there but I don't think it's strong enough alone to convince me Acrofling is scum.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

EBWOP: Try analyzing Soup's approach to Acrofling? The reason why the Soup/Spidey connection is obvious is because of how they both treated the other. You showed us how Acrofling treated Soup, can you show us the reverse?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I'm actually going to answer this since it seems no one is smart enough to even remember something as simple as someone's posts on the main lynch for yesterDay that flipped scum.

Basically here's what went down dumb one, Allegory posted a case on Spidermang and disliked him for a bit which caused a rift in the sides of JTB vs. Spidermang lynch. Allegory dissapated for a bit then came back with a new AM suspicion after the wagon had gotten its big start-up by myself in which AM etc. continued to hop-on. Allegory didn't talk much afterwards about his AM suspicion but instead he began to waffle on Spidermang's lynch and instead said that he was feeling Xonar's posts were sincere and also his claim could be true, he also brought up a hypothetical that Xonar had locked himself as scum if his claim proved false.

Allegory's behavior towards Spidermang is not the best but TBH I really do not see a connection between this two until the wiffle-waffle right before Spidey flipped.

But that behavior is incredibly telling. That kind of indecision in the most critical moments is exactly why I'm so adamant Soup's scum right now.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Uh just that "Hey zapp wanna join us on Soup?" thing. It was slight tho.

I got indy vibes from swiss/glyph too. Swiss for... being so lurky and Glyph for not really having any content. He viewed earlier and didn't really say a thing.

>Glyfe having content

Glyfe is too lazy for that ****. He'll just coolguy his way into D3 by inactivity to the point where no one looks at him, and then just kinda sit there awkwardly, chiming in every now and then. I'm not saying it's townie, simply that it's null for him--he always does it.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Pg 31 has so many Zen scum-tells......**** my life. Lynch S-tier if I end up dead because the only person I trust to actually follow through with it is AM this game.

The S in S-tier stands for Scum for the love of goodness.

Such as ?

 

[The Account With No Name]

Vote: Soup

Kinda wanna wait for inactive players but also kinda wanna lynch...

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I'm moreso looking at S-tier for his waffly behavior towards Spidey lynch and the way he was trying to act tough by saying "I hope he isn't a bomb." which just screamed fake behavior to me and also the way he tried to move the lynch to Dabuz toDay instead of Soup but moved to Soup after the slightest bit of pressure from you to Soup. Then when looking at his quoting of dabuz (not a case in the slightest, puh-lease.) he didn't even given anything within the post and just tried to shrug it off as his posts would be enough.

I do find his spontaneous waffling to be somewhat...odd. Spidey was the lynch at the time and yet he kept pushing Soup or you or Dabuz instead, calling Dabuz for chainsawing Soup. Now he wants to lynch Dabuz instead of Soup...why?

Seems like cart before the horse to me.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

So this is what it's like to lynch Swiss...

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

EBWOP: I wish I had a manlier image on me right now.