Ryker Mafia Is Over: Ryker Always Wins

[Aggressive Mediation]

Did you miss the part where Soup had a completely different reaction to Spidermang fake pressuring Swiss and S-Tier fake pressuring Swiss? On the assumption of SoupScum, it doesn't make sense for Soup to not take action on Spidermang, but then full blown try and bus S-Tier for what he admitted to be the exact same thing (goading Swiss with fake pressure). I mean, even look at the Soup/S-Tier back and forth at this point. I definitely didn't get SvS from that, and don't see why you would?

Really J you're coming across quite determined to stick onto this read.

Ding! This guy gets it. As much as S-Tier's oddball actions worry me and leave me wanting more, I'd put him as Indy long before I'd ever put him on the same mafia team with Soup.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

AM talk to me about Swiss

If anyone has a town boner for him, I don't know why. A lot of his actions have been thoroughly null. This is due mostly to how little of a presence he's had this game but that'd also be denying the fact that a lot of what he did early game ultimately was null regardless of his intention. Hydra bull**** was discussing mechanics and is ultimately a null read, and how he reacted to Spidey just seems to be in line with his usual stuff. He dug his feet in the dirt and gave us nothing on him (albeit it did give us a Spidey scumread).

So, really, I don't have much of a read on him. Null-town at absolute best, if only because I haven't seen any particularly scummy intent out of him. I barely remember his voting pattern at the moment. I think he wanted GLG, AcroFling, JTB...and someone else, right?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Yeah GLG is still nubby and I think he's trying to get better? I dunno if this is way of trying to play safer so he doesn't get lynched or something. I wouldn't lynch him for it but I would pressure him to post some damn content. That's what we gotta do with these freakin' lurkerns mang.

He's a notoriously inactive little **** and will rarely give you anything of substance. It's why I never really thought he was scum in the first place. What he was doing is right in line with his play: his analysis is shallow because his thinking pattern is shallow. He's not good enough to get at the deeper meanings of intent. So, for him to walk in and vote someone for claiming immediately is right in line with him. The reasoning's ****ty but it's all he can muster.

 

[Gova]

2. dtjglyphmoney ()
3. AM ()
4. The Account With No Name ()
6. Soup~ (4) AM, Zapp, S-Tier, TAWNN
7. Allegory ()
8. giraffelasergun (1) Allegory
9. Dabunz ()
10. J ()
11. Zapp Brannigan (1) Soup
12. S-Tier (1) Zapp
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - Glyph, GLG, Dabuz, J, Swiss,
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is set for April 17th at 11:59 CST (GMT-6).

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I'm still reading by and I realize all the deafening ****ty cases against me. My play hasn't been on par but as that long night went by I've had some motivation to play again, call it inspiring if you will.

Waking up and realizing that if you don't play you're going to get your *** lynched?

None of the cases are ****ty. You can sit here and undermine them by blanket-stating that they're all bad or you don't get them but that doesn't make them go away.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I hopped because I had a lingering scum-read on Spidey I promised myself I would re-read back then but I never had the motivation nor time, I have still yet to re-read besides the current push against me.

It's not like I was scrambling going "OH NO, WHAT IF I DON'T VOTE MY PARTNER?? THAT WILL MAKE ME OBVIOUS SCUM OH NO" I don't like deciding on things unless I'm sure on it or they have reasoning to push them. I've had cold feet this game, yeah, I could even go on a limb and say that I have not done much if anything, but I'm not getting lynched on bad play because I don't feel like getting **** post-game.

SOUNDS LIKE A BUNCH OF *****IN' TO ME.

Seriously, this doesn't explain anything, it's just an excuse. You're scum. Take a long walk off a short pier.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

@Everyone how many of us think there is an indy in this game? Who, besides Dabuz, do you think could be Spidey's scum partner?

Knowing Broto? Highly likely.

Spidey's scum partner? You. His other partner? Iunno, lemme get back to you on that. Lots of inactives.

Oh wait.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I didn't say I was lynching you for bad play. I am lynching you for the very same reasons I have stated when voting you. You said my case was wrong because of your bad play, and I am saying I don't believe you and still find you scummy.

That's because he's failing to realize bad play=scummy play. Either that or he's trying to force a disconnect and failing terribly at it.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Vote: glg

diaf

Now, tell me your opinion on Allegory please.

Did he ever answer this?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

There's really no need to keep this day going. This is dumb.

So why the GLG vote? You're one of the most frustrating players to read in this game.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Lynch Dabuz and S Tier toMorrow and we probz have the game wrapped up nicely. Will talk with Laundry but he'll most likely agree so yea.

Dabuz yes, S-Tier no. Doubtful he's scum anymore. As aggravating as he is, he's certainly not bussing his mates.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Ryker made me promise I'd substitute in some math puns. So yeah, done for the night deal with it nerds I am tired

No...

no ****ing way

YOU'RE OUTTA YOUR VECTOR.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Someone give me an actual case on this slot instead of calling him out, I do not see why you want him dead.

Chainsaws everywhere.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Will quote later but oh my GOD.

Speaking of quoting later...

Anywho, caught up.

Soup sits in the lynchpool. Outside of him, inactives, Dabuz. S-Tier is probably not scum, even if he's playing so gogdamn confusing right now.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Ebwop: Got questions? Ask me!

 

[zapp brannigan]

Alright, Zapp. You get Ranmaru to cool his jets and I will be willing to work with you.

What do you think (besides me) should be priority here? I'd like to hear more.

It's hard for me to pin others as scum because no one really opposed to lynching Spidey and I didn't pick up anything as bussing.

Swiss isn't.
S-Tier isn't
AM isn't
No name isn't
J... probably isn't
Allegory... could be but I still get gut Town vibes on them

And that's everyone who was on the wagon + Swiss/Allegory who I don't think should be priorities for other reasons. So I have a hard time pinning anyone other than dabuz/glg/glyph as a Spider scum buddy, and that's purely by PoE.

I think J's been pretty scummy though, so I'd be fine with looking into them more.

I want to see more of Swiss' reads before I make another call on them.

And glyph/glg should die, but I can't look into them more because they're just about useless.

So I'm content playing the waiting game for now.

EBWOP: I wish I had a manlier image on me right now.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Don't give me an activity out Laundry, I'm actually trying to get into this game

 

[zapp brannigan]

Also, I'm not one to speculate on set ups that hard but I wouldn't be that surprised if we don't have a cookie cutter 3 mafia.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

We have has a single mafia flip. What makes you think we can benefit at all from setup speculation right now?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Well that typo is going to haunt my dreams forever

You might say

To infinity

 

[zapp brannigan]

We have has a single mafia flip. What makes you think we can benefit at all from setup speculation right now?

Consider it a crumb, that is all.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Don't give me an activity out Laundry, I'm actually trying to get into this game

So do it and quit *****in'! I'm just calling a spade a spade.

Well that typo is going to haunt my dreams forever

You might say

To infinity

Heh! This digit is real! Let's see if he can keep the math up.

 

[zapp brannigan]

At least his catch up will be entertaining : - P

 

[zapp brannigan]

A...lot of your wall seemed to deal with Acrofling's stances on Soup, but it never stated anything definitive. It's shady, yes, but it seems weak and the connection really wasn't substantiated. It's not like how Soup and Spidey were blatantly distancing each other. The flavor's a bit different, and, honestly, I don't see the scummy intent. Talk it out a bit more. Don't give me quotes, give me your own words.

Well I feel it would be more damning upon Soup's flip. Basically Acrostic came in and eagerly disagreed with No Name's SoupTOWN read but never really came out with it. He poked at Soup softly with words like awkward, odd... But didn't ever come up with a scumread, instead his 'interaction' or opinions on Soup faded as time went by. Does he have a soup scumread now? Also keep in mind he NOW just came upon Soup's post from near RVS and calls him stupid for it now. Like wtf. That's really misplaced and I feel that is also fake from Acrostic. Anyways, I felt that was just so he could push on No Name and it would seem he would try to mislynch No Name. I also feel his 'annoyance' with my playstyle is fake and has only started to state this about me now. Like that's my playstyle, why the **** would I back up for him? I mean I can understand how my interaction with Soup could have been distracting, but the rest I don't think was as bad. He never had a problem with it until after I was pushing Soup. It only benefits from me pushing on Soup to his death.

What is your opinion on Allegory?

I like this post. There's common sense in here.

Thank ya.

>Glyfe having content

Glyfe is too lazy for that ****. He'll just coolguy his way into D3 by inactivity to the point where no one looks at him, and then just kinda sit there awkwardly, chiming in every now and then. I'm not saying it's townie, simply that it's null for him--he always does it.

Oh haha. Ok thanks for clearing that up. I'll take it as null then.

If anyone has a town boner for him, I don't know why. A lot of his actions have been thoroughly null. This is due mostly to how little of a presence he's had this game but that'd also be denying the fact that a lot of what he did early game ultimately was null regardless of his intention. Hydra bull**** was discussing mechanics and is ultimately a null read, and how he reacted to Spidey just seems to be in line with his usual stuff. He dug his feet in the dirt and gave us nothing on him (albeit it did give us a Spidey scumread).

So, really, I don't have much of a read on him. Null-town at absolute best, if only because I haven't seen any particularly scummy intent out of him. I barely remember his voting pattern at the moment. I think he wanted GLG, AcroFling, JTB...and someone else, right?

I agree with this entirely. I don't have a problem with him but nothing stands out to me about him either.

He's a notoriously inactive little **** and will rarely give you anything of substance. It's why I never really thought he was scum in the first place. What he was doing is right in line with his play: his analysis is shallow because his thinking pattern is shallow. He's not good enough to get at the deeper meanings of intent. So, for him to walk in and vote someone for claiming immediately is right in line with him. The reasoning's ****ty but it's all he can muster.

Alright, thanks for explaining that. Makes sense.

That's because he's failing to realize bad play=scummy play. Either that or he's trying to force a disconnect and failing terribly at it.

Yeah he's doing the same thing he did in Pulp Fiction. He malicious tried to twist my words there as well. Does soup act this way ANYTIME he's up for lynch?? Also him 'wanting to move on' was obviously fake and trying to turn the tables on me.

No, he didn't.

Well that typo is going to haunt my dreams forever

You might say

To infinity

I laughed.

 

[zapp brannigan]

EBWOP: He [Allegory] only benefits from me *backing off* instead of pushing Soup to death.

 

[Dabuz]

Sorry about being away guys, I won't be back and able to post until Sunday :/

 

[Swiss]

>Glyfe having content

Glyfe is too lazy for that ****. He'll just coolguy his way into D3 by inactivity to the point where no one looks at him, and then just kinda sit there awkwardly, chiming in every now and then. I'm not saying it's townie, simply that it's null for him--he always does it.

Ahahahahah.

Love that pic so much.

 

[#HBC | J]

@People saying I've said said has been mafia exclusively: No. I have said Zen is scummy, nowhere in my posts have I determined that he is mafia-exclusive. I think I have said that the door should not be fully closed for him being partners with Bugboy but the fact of the matter is, I am leaning more indy from him. Posts like the one below make me believe the door should not be shut and also makes me look at dabuz with an odd eye.

Look at the contrast between Allegory/dabuz/S-tier when talking about their Spidey reads.

J lynch doesn't look completely out of the realm of possiblity.

I don't feel comfortable with a Spidey lynch. JTB lynch is fine with me however.

unvote
vote: JTB

Wait but why did you want him lynched?
Also I agree on Spidey. I'm not sure about my other half though. After looking over him again I'm getting town though.

Look at my 616 for your answer.

Regarding Spidey, I can't get any read on him because his early game can be interpreted so many ways.

This behavior from the Spidermang slot is really uncanny. Like I'm legitimately perturbed by this absolute silence and lack of counter-content coming in, but on the other hand I feel vindicated on the basis that Xonar|Raziek should have given me at least something by now.

The first two don't even explain anything w.r.t. their town reads on Bugboy but instead make it seem as though him being town is a "no derp" sort of thing and don't even explain. However, Allegory comes in to say something with the Spidey wagon and somewhat backs up what he feels which makes me believe AllegoryTown>AllegoryScum because his intent just screams town while people such as S-tier/Dabuz do not show town intent whatsoever and I feel them to be off the anti-town nature.

 

[#HBC | J]

Responding to fluff real quick because I can.

What does she do?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfs6ft3M9eY

Is she a male? If she is, the sexiest one I've seen.

She is a female. A damn fine one as well.

 

[#HBC | J]

Such as ?

Well to be fair to your intelligence, I doubt you will get most of these since they are scum-tells that I use to derive some reads on Zen's play. His play at the beginning of the day phase screams fake. Extremely fake.

When Zen makes posts, he has an ulterior motive unless it is the very beginning of the game. (then it is a different story that does not pertain to this)

Totally a Soup kill. Ryu y u no shoot SoupaJdabooz

Vote: dabooz

Vote on dabuz>Soupa when he is expressing Soup killed RR last night...?

What did Bardull do?

Ran switch to dabuz. I placed a trap on Soup so he wont be able to do anything tonight.

Also Allegory is town or something. Have you looked at his interactions with Spidey? I haven't, I'm just curious.

Oh I see. Anyways Ran like I said, Soup can't do anything tonight. So we should be killing dabuz instead.

Indy is the same as scum. I'm just saying he's scum. Doesn't matter whether he is mafiosi or not.
I read your case. Allegory is still town.
Soup lynch is so boring since we already know he is scum. Trap thing was a lie. I just want to see someone elses flip.

These three posts containing his "gambit" are terrible because they didn't even accomplish any reaction gaining or anything to further his reads but moreso just for him to try and get someone else lynched that isn't Soup. He isn't explaining anything to why he is doing things.

They are the same amount of scum because they are both scum.

I really don't want to have to do the work...

Because they both are...? I don't even have to explain this one.

I can't remember if it was a dream that J was town or if I came to that realization in real life.

Uh yeah I think that was a dream.

J is scum, not Allegory.

Posts like these are just an eyesore of disgust. They have no purpose whatsoever besides to just say things. In other words, fake/fluff.

Fine but I better get the doc protect tonight again. Otherwise there will be no one to take down J.

Vote: Soup

Switches to Soup after the tiniest bit of pressure from Zapp? Shows his dabuz thing was not even really there and also just a terrible reason. Plus the way he continues to use FUD around my slot instead of actually going after myself/my actions as his attempt in order to hurt my credibility and the fact he keeps bringing up the NK as a reason that he needs protection is terrible.

Logic doesn't make sense here. He was just asking fake questions.

lolwut.

Didn't even answer this I don't think.

Why did he say this?

Yeah.

His defense of Soup. His unvoting and not voting J.

Nowhere in this post is an explanation as to why dabuz is scum. This is just a fluff post that just drags up posts of dabuz to just drag up posts of dabuz'. I am really really really disliking his fakeness D2 and it is just making me cringe at his slot that he has to be of a scum faction.

Either that or this is the worst I have ever seen Zen play and I am giving him the massive benefit of the doubt here and saying he is scum.

However most of these tells will not make sense because even you have some tells of people that just send off alarms in your own head but you can't really explain why. I just know is the best way to put it and its a terrible explanation, but you are just going to have to take it and suck it up.

Underlying thing I can say that I can put it into laymen's terms is that his lack of town intent/fakeness makes my eyes bleed.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I really to get a good read of D1 in, but it just feels so damn aimless reading through everyone argue on stupid ****. To sum up how I'm going to play this game here on out, I'll be livin in the moment until such a time arises that its more beneficial to actually look back. I'm like a piecewise function that's not defined for negative numbers; always moving forward.

lol @ Gord
lol @ Glyph

Glyph is town.
Allegory is town.

glg is a llama
Swiss is a llama

Let's get them votes on Soup and call it a day.

While flattering, why the hell would you be willing to call me town based off what I've done so far. **** makes as much sense as a square root of a negative number.

If you ask me, this is a prime example of a scummy trying to:
1. Build a positive relationship with a town member
2. Setting said member up for a ML after their flip

I have read very, very little of this game and STILL I think you're a damn good lynch option. And I know its the first sine of busing to wait until pressure is on someone and then come out with a scum read on them but I also don't really care.

I've done the best I could with this convolution (higher level math puns!)

vote: S-Tier

 

[S-Tier]

Of course most of my posts have been fluff today. We already have scum. There's nothing much left for me to do but wait for people to lynch.

My motivation for pushing a dabuz lynch was for this very reason. We aren't going to get any more information from Soup. We know he's scum and no one is going to oppose his lynch at this point. Dabuz however would have given us something to work with for the day since not every one has given an opinion on him and he hasn't made as many tells as Soup. After I realized that no one would go with this, I simply switched back to Soup, not because of "pressure from Zapp". It's as simple as that.

Also obviously that dream posts was a crumb incriminating you as scum.

 

[S-Tier]

My god Glyph is obv town.

Glyph are you the laundry half or the Ryker half?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

You'll have to clear up the 'we already have scum' part, since I'm looking at this page and it doesn't seem like people are very on board for one particular lynch.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

 

[S-Tier]

Glyph you ninjad me, that post was aimed at J.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I HAVE ZERO IDEA

Like if the amount of ideas I have about what you're talking about is equal to the derivative of a constant

I'd still like you to explain what you meant by it

 

[#HBC | J]

Of course most of my posts have been fluff today. We already have scum. There's nothing much left for me to do but wait for people to lynch.

Bull****, that is absolutely no reason why you can just "fluff" your posts because it has not stopped everyone else. There's nothing much left?

My god Glyph is obv town.

Glyph are you the laundry half or the Ryker half?

Quit freaking not explaining things and give us things to work with and quit role-fishing as well.

My goodness.

 

[S-Tier]

J, look there's really no point in arguing with you. Even if I were to ever die, you will be incriminated as scum.

We have AM as town, Zapp as town, Swiss as a llama, Allegory as town, glg as a llama, Glyph as town. Dabuz as a scum llama.

I don't have any ulterior motives. I just know that we already have the game won.

 

[S-Tier]

btw start using skype man

 

[S-Tier]

I HAVE ZERO IDEA

Like if the amount of ideas I have about what you're talking about is equal to the derivative of a constant

I'd still like you to explain what you meant by it

You don't know what your role is?