Ryker Mafia Is Over: Ryker Always Wins

[#HBC | J]

How will you incriminate me as scum? Its freaking bull**** if you are suggesting things that aren't true and the fact of the matter is you are just its annoying the hell out of me that you are continously just using FUD as your main reason against me because you have no substantiation for pushing me.

@Skype thing: Check our Axel account.

 

[S-Tier]

I know it's annoying, I do. I'm sorry for that honestly. There's really nothing more I can do though. From my point of view it's kind of as if everyone one around you told you that the sky could be red or purple or green, but you know for a fact that it's blue.

 

[S-Tier]

I mean what kind of argument can I come up to disprove them, you know?

 

[#HBC | J]

There is more that you can do Zen. You can actually acuse me for things you have found scummy from me because I honestly am calling out your bluff this game on your scum-read on me. Its time to settle this because I am done playing this game of fake-pushes from the both of us that are somewhat joking because I need a clear read on your slot that isn't constitued by the bull you have been throwing my way this game because you want to have a scum-read on me but you have nothing to constitute it. You just keep saying I'm scum hoping it will stick/people will follow but its not working and it has your mind trapped in a vortex and its starting to mess with my own reads which is annoying me.

What you can do is actually give me something that can determine your alignment besides throwing out scum and town tells in order to provide a medium to your posts which makes me believe you are indy because you are walking that narrow line on purpose. I also don't get the PR vibes I have gotten from reading you before in the past so it doesn't make me believe you are that either.

Because, for me, if this type of posting goes I am going to turn my vote to getting rid of your slot this game so I can have a clearer vision as to what is going on and at this moment I am leaning that way however I am still fine with Soup's lynch after reading more of the game but I am becoming more fine with your lynch toDay instead because of the fact your posts are just so extremely fake and just not townZen at all.

You are so gosh darn frustrating. This is why we play together and not alone and NOT when you are in a hydra where your personality changes as well.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm going back to re-reading because I need to get my mind back on track this game. Don't bother me. Thanks.

 

[#HBC | J]

I might make a case on s-tier, i might just let it sit and see people react and go from there. Who knows.

Lynch S-tier.

I'm just bringing this up to bring the hypocritical nature of Soup~ that when people supposedly do this to him (in his own warped mind), he complains that it is terrible/scummy/every adjective that describes badness. However, he can do the same to others when he is the one feeling like he is sitting pretty at this point.

He actually never explained his S-tier read but instead just backed off and let others do what they want but then iirc it dissapated without much explanation but I'm still reading to point out this change.

Funny thing though, there is a case on Soup that is quite credible.

 

[Gova]

2. dtjglyphmoney ()
3. AM ()
4. The Account With No Name ()
6. Soup~ (4) AM, Zapp, S-Tier, TAWNN
7. Allegory ()
8. giraffelasergun (1) Allegory
9. Dabunz ()
10. J ()
11. Zapp Brannigan (1) Soup
12. S-Tier (1) Glyph
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - GLG, Dabuz, J, Swiss,
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is set for April 17th at 11:59 CST (GMT-6).

 

[#HBC | J]

So far I have S-tier's voting history as looking extremely poor but I'm going to fully go through with it later.

First vote: JTB (no explanation)
Second vote: GLG (reaching explanation)

I'm starting to see a pattern of easy targets/limited explanations.

 

[#HBC | J]

Town tells. Town tells everywhere.

Still reading. Zen let's be town buddies again. AM you too

Vandy, you need to do what I did for AM and explain your town tells you found in Zen's post against GLG.

I found something curious about Soup~. He had a post where he completely defended GLG against Zen and GLG never responded against Zen because Soup had already done as such. I find the defense of GLG weird and misplaced with Soup's actions. He said at the beginning "I would love to trade walls with Zen." but it doesn't make sense he takes it upon himself to defend GLG.

 

[S-Tier]

As I said before, J, the "easiness" of a player has nothing to do with their alignment. Scum is scum. You could argue that more than half of the player list would be "easy" to push at the time of the first time you mentioned this.

1. Spidermang (Raz/Xonar)
2. dtjglyphmoney
4. The Account With No Name (Guus/John2k4)
5. JTB
8. giraffelasergun
9. Dabunz
10. J

3. Gorf's Fav Hydra Account/AM (Gorf/WashedLaundry)
6. Soup~
7. Allegory
11. Zapp Brannigan
12. S-Tier (Seph/Zen)
13. Swiss

 

[zapp brannigan]

Maybe when soup is dead @ J. I'm pretty freaking dandy with my read on.Zen

 

[#HBC | J]

You know exactly what I mean by easiness so don't even pull that card Zen.

 

[#HBC | J]

End of page7.

Town buds:
Spidermang (Raz/Xonar)
Allegory
AM (Gorf/WashedLaundry)
S-Tier (Seph/Zen)

Town lean:
Swiss
giraffelasergun
The Account With No Name (Guus/John2k4)

Null:
dtjglyphmoney
J
Dabunz

Weird/scum lean:
Zapp Brannigan
JTB
Soup~


Note that some of these reads are based on Swiss's analysis. It's also great to have Allegory as a towny broski <333

Soup~ is more weird than a scum lean, btw.

Commenting/dissecting this reads list for a second to try and sort it through. JTB flipped town and his read on Soup~ is complete garbage and definitely screams scum-connection with the way he tries to say Soup~ is a weird>scum-lean at the time and he is the only person so far this game to suggest any Soup~ suspicion and it feels out of place. Also his AM town-read is weird for the position he was in because in the front leg of the game, AM was the main Bugboy pursuer where in his position of always saying AM was misconstruing/making his arguments seem worse than they actually should be scummy in his eyes. However, he never calls AM out and in fact calls him town because of his misconstruement...? It looks more like scum trying to dissuade town pushing him by calling them town.

Just another thing, his lack of explanation is just terrible but also a benefit for his scum-team because they do not leave many connections besides the fact of where they are placed.

Maybe when soup is dead @ J. I'm pretty freaking dandy with my read on.Zen

You've become extremely lazy/just not really that helpful toDay besides your consistent tunneling on Soup. I mean you aren't even considering the fact that he may be town. Idk, I just wish you would do more in the sense of trying to look at all avenues.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Sorry I'm just real tired atm and at the beach. I might look at more stuff tonight, but all I really want is reads from Swiss/glg/glyph. I might look over your Zen points but there's nothing in there convincing enough for me.

 

[#HBC | J]

This post by dabuz confuses me. Reason being for a certain things this insanely not-smart person has conjured up are confusing. There are some points that point to scumminess but others that point to towniness like his intent to analyze posts and also try and look at things in a deeper level. However, at this first part of his post which is directed at his Spidey read, he says "I dislike them but don't have a scum-read on them." which completely backs out of giving a solid opinion of them plus it really doesn't make any sense.

Then in the middle of the post he calls out Soup on a valid concern against what he was doing for TWANN. Soup was arm-chair critiquing that slot on how to improve their scum-game which should be after-game because it, in the end, does make them harder to read now which is backwards logic. He also calls S-tier out on plausible things and ends with a vote on S-tier which does make sense towards where he wants to go/whom he wants to pressure.

I'm leaning towards my town intent I had read into him before hand.

Adding onto Zen's thing: Third vote: J (due to him announcing V/LA and then develops an apparant scum-read off nothing)
Fourth vote: GLG (apparantly GLG is scummier for not posting anything)

 

[#HBC | J]

Sorry I'm just real tired atm and at the beach. I might look at more stuff tonight, but all I really want is reads from Swiss/glg/glyph. I might look over your Zen points but there's nothing in there convincing enough for me.

Fine towards your laziness but the fact of the matter is, if you were reading, I am not asking you to read my points to convince you. I am asking you to clarify your points as to why you have such a strong town-read when you are the only one to hold onto this. It seems just like you called me out on my scum-read on Zen, I am calling you out on your town-read on Zen. Consider the tables flipped and that's my point of view because we are in the same boat besides that I have actually explained where my train of thought falls.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Agree with vandy. J dunno why u started rereadun (omg almost said reafin) but I appreciate the effort.

Like vandy said, I would rather wait till soup is dead first b4 we go that road. And lawl glyph whats ur read on soup man. I skimmed ur post saw stier vote... In playin zelda.

 

[#HBC | J]

Re-reading because I became conflicted due to Soup's posts that make me wanna be sure I'm actually okay with this (leaning towards a yes still) and its also helping me gain opinions on slots and the like. Plus its refreshing to go over events.

 

[S-Tier]

J you are scum because:

1. You are pretending to discover points. Example is what you just brought up. The "easy" thing with regards to myself. This is the third time you have brought it up. But in your #1568 you're bringing it up as if it were something new. Like you just discovered it. You keep trying to phase suspicion into town. You aren't looking at me objectively at all. The only way you would ever drop your scum read of me is if I dropped mine of you. That's why you're scum. As town you would be looking at me objectively regardless of what read I have on you. Yet you continue to fight me because I'm threat to your survival.

2. You entered the game with apparently no reads even though much had gone on. I very much doubt that you after reading through the entire game that you would have absolutely nothing to comment on when you finished.

3. After pressuring you to give out your reads, you left your options open for each and every player. You didn't give a direct stance on any one person.

4. I am the only player you have actually tried pushing because I am a threat to your survival. You have not pushed anyone else. Yes you have made comments and yes you have voted, but you have never actually PUSHED anything. You aren't making an attempt to hunt down scum. Rather you are subtly putting out suspicion in different directions while never taking actual hard stances and making yourself a driving force for a lynch. Like I said, the closest you have gotten to this is with myself and the only reason you are risking that is because you must. Your 1564 even suggests that me dropping my push on you would result in you dropping your "push" on me.

"Its time to settle this because I am done playing this game of fake-pushes from the both of us that are somewhat joking because I need a clear read on your slot that isn't constitued by the bull you have been throwing my way this game because you want to have a scum-read on me"

This whole post is a subtle suggestion that you will be able to better "read" me (ie get a town read on me) if I stop pushing you. All you are concerned with is ridding of a threat to your survival whether that be through lynching me or getting me to change my read on you. You have not actually been looking at me with a neutral eye this game. You are doing your best to force a scum read on me and you even admit to that in 1564. My read on you however, is not forced and is not fake.

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh this is going to be fun.

1. You are pretending to discover points. Example is what you just brought up. The "easy" thing with regards to myself. This is the third time you have brought it up. But in your #1568 you're bringing it up as if it were something new. Like you just discovered it. You keep trying to phase suspicion into town. You aren't looking at me objectively at all. The only way you would ever drop your scum read of me is if I dropped mine of you. That's why you're scum. As town you would be looking at me objectively regardless of what read I have on you. Yet you continue to fight me because I'm threat to your survival.

Pretending to discover points? What utter garbage. Do you not see what I am doing in my posts or have you actually read what I am posting? What I am posting is actual posts with solid evidence behind what exactly I am saying.

The easy thing you have dwelled on from the first time I actually brought this up and you just continued to dismiss it as a "bad point" when in reality it isn't a bad point at all, considering other people brought this up to you. I never had that tone in my #1568 because I hadn't "just discovered" it but moreso going over it again. I'm not looking at you objectively at all? Bad use of generilzation there considering if you are trying to use that for all my posts. I have been looking at you objectively and analyzing in your posts for what exactly you are trying to gain. You aren't looking for scum, but the way you can get yourself an easy lynch by pointing out terrible things like that reaching case on GLG or the meta-wagon you created on JTB instead of actually pointing out things that were scummy against him. Then there was the hallow push on my slot where you just continued to say I was scum in order to just say it which you didn't even try to pursue, push, look into more, or develop a read. You just laid a scum-read down and left it there to sit. You didn't try and do anything to pressure or push it besides just saying it. You also decided to pick on all those slots for GARBAGE reasoning as I stated. You just threw things out and hoped people would agree stick to them because they were generic things. (i.e. you "know" how to read me, your "meta" on JTB *which proved false* and your reaching points on GLG) You don't seem to care for who you are voting on, just as long as it seems plausible to some small degree.

Then you continue using FUD by saying that I am only pushing you because you are a threat to my survival. Oh hell no are you pulling that because if you actually look at my posts, I have said that you do have town tells in your post but they do not out-do the scum-tells I have found in your posts that lead me to believe you are indy>mafia. I am looking at your posts objectively because otherwise I would just be calling you mafia/indy/whatever in order to get you lynched but why would I try such an up-hill battle as indy otherwise. You are not reading what I am trying to post against your slot but trying to make my attack on you look like I am just attacking those who I consider a threat. To be completely honest, this game you aren't a threat to my survival and I dislike how you, in this post, continue to use that as a reason for why I am scum. It isn't a good point at all.

2. You entered the game with apparently no reads even though much had gone on. I very much doubt that you after reading through the entire game that you would have absolutely nothing to comment on when you finished.

Completely a lie. I came into the game with reads on slots that I then continued to develop as I fully read. I had nothing to comment on? Do I need to cite examples for how this is just a false statement or are you going to recant this before this really turns into a massive go-out?

3. After pressuring you to give out your reads, you left your options open for each and every player. You didn't give a direct stance on any one person.

Did not whatsoever. I know exactly which post you are saying and its complete BS. Because of you trying to do something like that we got onto the hypocritical statement from Soup~ about self-meta and the point you are trying to bring up here was also mollified by AM who said it would have to let lie because of the fact that it was a battle of meta which you were trying to use against me. You aren't looking at my actions this game but trying to justify them behind meta. There's a huge difference from my push on you to your push on me. I am actually using your posts from this game instead of hypothetical situations of "you wouldn't do this as town." when the fact of the matter is, I am town this game and your points are just literal trash. I gave stances on people but they weren't concrete unlike they are now. You didn't pressure me but you merely asked me to give reads, and I obliged to give reads that were off the top of my head.

4. I am the only player you have actually tried pushing because I am a threat to your survival. You have not pushed anyone else. Yes you have made comments and yes you have voted, but you have never actually PUSHED anything. You aren't making an attempt to hunt down scum. Rather you are subtly putting out suspicion in different directions while never taking actual hard stances and making yourself a driving force for a lynch. Like I said, the closest you have gotten to this is with myself and the only reason you are risking that is because you must. Your 1564 even suggests that me dropping my push on you would result in you dropping your "push" on me.

You are not the only playing I have tried pushing this game. Do you not recall my Spidey push this game? Do you not recall me pushing Soup~ as well? Hello, do you forget that the main reason people began switching from your wagon to Spidey was because I rekindled the Spidey hate from earlier on in the day? I haven't pushed my reads? That is complete garbage. If we are using this as a scum-point against me, you are even more guilty of the action then I am. You have not PUSHED me until this post, you haven't even done anything besides make sideline comments. The bare minimum you have done is voted which is it. Nothing else. I am subtly putting suspicion in different directions? What in the world are you babbling on about here? The person who has been doing this, this game Zen, is yourself because I have been shutting down directions actually and looking at things more objectively. I have been taking hard stances this game and making myself a driving force with whom I wanted lynched. The closest I've gotten is you? Please do not flatter your ego with such an obtuse statement. I have not even been presurring you that much besides jibes that you need to be lynched while I have been pushing in other directions. I don't suggest that I would "drop" my push but that I felt your push on me was more of a joke because you had nothing to call me scum, plus with the gifs I was posting and the attitude I was taking towards you it seemed more light-hearted than actual things. However, now that you have finally laid your cards on the table, it shows how little your suspicion of me is because your points reek to high heaven. I said I wanted you to drop your "fake" pressure on me so I can gain a better read and go from there.

"Its time to settle this because I am done playing this game of fake-pushes from the both of us that are somewhat joking because I need a clear read on your slot that isn't constitued by the bull you have been throwing my way this game because you want to have a scum-read on me"

This whole post is a subtle suggestion that you will be able to better "read" me (ie get a town read on me) if I stop pushing you. All you are concerned with is ridding of a threat to your survival whether that be through lynching me or getting me to change my read on you. You have not actually been looking at me with a neutral eye this game. You are doing your best to force a scum read on me and you even admit to that in 1564. My read on you however, is not forced and is not fake.

As I explained above and let me bold a part of my quote for you because let's look at it. That bolded explains perfectly what I am trying to say. I want a clear read on your slot that isn't you juts being fake and not doing things. I never in that post alluded to the fact of "getting a town read" and you putting those words into my mouth is bull. All I'm concerned with is ridding the thread of you? Hardly and quite honestly the dumbest point I've heard against me in the longest time. I haven't been looking at you with a neutral eye? Listen here pal, I actually have been doing this and its coming across to me that you are scummy where you have not actually been giving myself a fair chance this game and have been voting me/calling me scum since my very entrance which I find is garbage. I am not doing my best to force a scum-read on you because of posts like these are just drive me up a wall and back.

 

[Axel]

...

I ow. just ow

ok you can be town then

cba to read the rest of your post

 

[S-Tier]

...

I ow. just ow

ok you can be town then

cba to read the rest of your post

1st time I've actually ever did that on an accident.

 

[#HBC | J]

Here's something. Zen seems to misrepresent people especially those he hydra's with. I find J saying that LEGIT because Zen of all people SHOULD know how J operates. Keep that in mind. And yes he has done the same to me.

This post speaks volumes of truth it isn't even funny in the context of this game if Zen does appear to be town. Holy ffff.

Gotta say something and I don't really care what reprocutions may happen.

@Zen: I still love ya bro (no-homo...little homo...nah take it as you will) but for the love of goodness I have never wanted to jokingly strangle you more than ever before.

However this is still my face when battling you this game.

Spoiler

So no hard feelings where this may go.

 

[#HBC | J]

...

I ow. just ow

ok you can be town then

cba to read the rest of your post

.........................................................................................................

but for the love of goodness I have never wanted to jokingly strangle you more than ever before.

 

[S-Tier]

Guess we will have to lynch between the llamas after Soup.

 

[S-Tier]

LMFAO at the luffy pic

 

[#HBC | J]

Guess we will have to lynch between the llamas after Soup.

I hat you. I hat you so much.

LMFAO at the luffy pic

Seriously, its just that awesome.

 

[zapp brannigan]

J I think that is a null tell. But its true. It seems he does that to gauge that persons reactions.

 

[#HBC | J]

J I think that is a null tell. But its true. It seems he does that to gauge that persons reactions.

Which is a ****ing null tell because at this point I cba to do anything with my mind so ****ing fried and just.

Screw you Zen. Just go jump out a plane without a parachute.

 

[#HBC | J]

Also I believe I lost my vote for 12 hours but I'll get confirmation on that sooner or later. I need sleep because I'm just....out of it....at this point.

Can't tell why I feel so screwed over at this point but I'm blaming Zen. It's nice to just blame him and walk away.

 

[zapp brannigan]

J my avatar is attracted to your avatar.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Btw when I told stier to vote soup that wasnt me pressuring him. That was more like 'yo bro come back to da soup vagon, ya?'

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i'm not reading this tonight i will get to it later

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

My activity is going to continue to dwindle. Life blows.

Allegory case coming next. Die you filthy... cheeky... disgusting... rat *******... scum.

Completely unnecessary and extremely distasteful. The tone towards Soup~ can be assumed to be taken because you found his slot directly scummy. But to take on the same attitude based on a connection you believe exists between me and him deserves questioning.

Ok. This was something I did just to show Vandy my thoughts on Allegory. At the time he had a slight town read but was worried about his wishy washyness and him being open with his options. He just thought he may have been a over thinking townie. But after I showed him this, he told me I should deff post it, so here it is:

I can see two qualifications for these statements. The first being the end of D1 in which I reconsidered my read on Spidermang for the reason I listed earlier today (D2). The second being my statement that I don't want to see Swiss, S-Tier, or No Name on the lynching block for D1 since I found their slots to possess organic thinking, pro-town actions, or town telling.

consider this: #53

He attacks No Name while also saying he disagrees. Yet no push on Soup ever? I felt that was a bit odd on re-read

I disagreed with No Name's comment. Soup's early play seems to be overly conscious. Standard RVS play is to park your vote on a slot and then start pushing away for information. This was captured more or less by Soup~'s #39:

I'm not ready to call it anything, nor am I ready to vote.

Indicating he doesn't want to take a position nor park a vote which is one thing, but to blatantly announce that he is going to fence sit and withhold his vote during RVS is weird. However, Soup~ was already giving away information with regards to Swiss and Spidermang. I didn't want to get involved in that triad because they would likely produce enough information on their own without my intervention. Instead I was more curious how No Name got a town read off of Soup~'s behavior since it was not orthodox at all and deserved pressure, not praise.

I prioritized getting some information D1 that would give me results I would be satisfied with and one that would help town since they were not approaching it. I pressured No Name for reactions on his slot and aw his Soup~'s comment as an excellent start to make him feel pressure and to hopefully crack and let us see what intent was there behind the surface.

Now hey here is Allegory's next post: #198

He mentions soup (while voting No Name) yet doesn't really give a suspicion towards him. He disagreed with No Name's read, but doesn't give it now that No Name has given reasoning.

No Name never gave me a reason to why he thought Soup~ was town. He did it because it was a gut read and also thought that it would make for a funny pun. Those aren't statements you refute, much less statements that would open me up to explain why his read was illogical when weighed with mine. Your post implies that I was given an opportunity to refute reasoning with reasoning. I wasn't and had no opportunity or reason to out why I didn't think that Soup~'s initial play was townie.

Bold, he seems to imply No Name refusing to give reasoning for his Soup Town read means No Name may be newb scum who doesn't want to get himself dug in a ditch. Underlined, he doesn't really give a read on Soup.

No Name was withholding reasons as to why he had an early read. There were a lot of possibilities tied into that decision. An alignment tell would be based on his explanation behind his read and why he was intentionally stalling in outing it. Also you note that I don't express a read on Soup~ during this exchange, I don't see why I would need one since that wasn't the central question that needed to be answered in the push. The central question was, why was No Name delaying his explanation of a read that he nonchalantly gave in RVS?

Next post: #201

Doesn't really show if he has a read on Soup. Just shows that he actually misunderstood Soup's view point, and is ok with it. Doesn't really draw a conclusion from it. Just says for him not to dissapoint him... I don't know why he said that.

Underlined, this just seems like distancing.

I thought Soup~ was going to treat Swiss as null and just try to determine his alignment by PoE'ing everyone else around him and trying to draw relationships. I believe I stated this shortly afterwards.

Next: #204

Underlined, he mentions an... awkward feeling of Soup. It's like he is slowly feeling... no warming up to a soup scum read. As opposed to his No Name scum read that came like *snap* (I even snapped man whew) Maybe I could be looking at it wrong? You tell me.

This is perhaps the most important and central thing you need to know about me. It will also skew this game against me since knowing how I think allows me to be manipulated. However, because you don't understand my play I will do it since I do not want to refute another ridiculous case like this anytime soon.

People make awkward plays as both town and scum. Just because someone plays in an off manner or departs from their own meta, it doesn't necessitate that they are people who have gotten mafia roles and are acting weirdly out of some weird guilt reaction from receiving an alignment in a game. So yeah, I'll call people out on awkward play and no, I don't think that looking at single actions is enough for me to get a comprehensive alignment read.

Next: #328

I don't see anything about Soup, just NO Name. Which I liked at the time... because I was focused on No Name + Stier. Maybe he dropped the pressure? I just feel that he was trying to focus on No Name more than Soup for a dastardly reason...

???

Now hereeee: #332

Underlined, he mentions that he had trouble reading Soupa from the start (which I find hard to believe) and now only says that he read Soup as having a bad start, and not just being scummy. Even tho he did state disagreement on him being town early on. So this sounds to me like he was just saying "I'm eager to disagree on your town read" to have a reason to push on No Name.

Sorry for the long wall. I was going to just use links but I want people to see the underlined text too.

No Name was pushed because [1] he said something questionable [2] he wasn't being pushed by anyone else and [3] his push would give more information since no one was trying to do [2] + the possibility that he would be easier to read than other players due to the hydra being players who aren't quite that experienced.

The reason why you see a lot of Soup~ thrown in with No Name is because the No Name push came from his super early town read on Soup~. The major quotations that you took from me are related and needed to be put in context with this in mind. My read on the Soup~ slot was not related to my push on No Name nor do I believe that a read was needed on the slot at all to find out No Name's intentions.

tl;dr Aside from the lack of viewing a push in context:
"He mentions soup (while voting No Name) yet doesn't really give a suspicion towards him"

Several pieces of zapp's "analysis" are summary comments
"He attacks No Name while also saying he disagrees."

Trying to gauge/slander my intentions when he can't grasp it
"... for a dastardly reason"

And a failure to understand the meaning of pressure
"... no warming up to a soup scum read. As opposed to his No Name scum read".

This was really stupid. Ran does Van really have me on gut town lean? I don't think so if he wants me wasting time explaining to you stuff like this.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Replacing out

 

[zapp brannigan]

Basically this all boils down to how you eagerly disagreed with tawns soup town read. It is possible it was due to rvs shenanigans. I just didnt like you saying that and not doing much with. I will have to reread you to see if you were truelly just thinking soup as awkward instead of easing off pressure.

Van does but he asked for a cop on you so of course this might make sense a bit. So I dont know why you had to ask that.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Allegory I've found a lot of your analysis really good and it shines with town intent, however you've literally been all over the shop with your vote, as you're not exactly clear on anyone. So my conclusion is a mixed one in that you're (most likely) Town, or mafia who's just really damn good at faking Town analysis.

To clarify with what Ran said, he basically said he saw a possible Soup/Acrostic connection, then posted those quotes in our qt and asked if he should pursue it, to which I said "deffs." Ngl though, I didn't exactly go through every quote to check whether I agreed with his argument.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

@People saying I've said said has been mafia exclusively: No. I have said Zen is scummy, nowhere in my posts have I determined that he is mafia-exclusive. I think I have said that the door should not be fully closed for him being partners with Bugboy but the fact of the matter is, I am leaning more indy from him. Posts like the one below make me believe the door should not be shut and also makes me look at dabuz with an odd eye.

Why stress so much that you feel he's not necessarily mafia? I mean if you have more than S Tier calling you out/calling you scummy for it then show me, but unless I've been mad skimming that's NOT the case.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Well to be fair to your intelligence, I doubt you will get most of these since they are scum-tells that I use to derive some reads on Zen's play. His play at the beginning of the day phase screams fake. Extremely fake.

When Zen makes posts, he has an ulterior motive unless it is the very beginning of the game. (then it is a different story that does not pertain to this)



Vote on dabuz>Soupa when he is expressing Soup killed RR last night...?







These three posts containing his "gambit" are terrible because they didn't even accomplish any reaction gaining or anything to further his reads but moreso just for him to try and get someone else lynched that isn't Soup. He isn't explaining anything to why he is doing things.



Because they both are...? I don't even have to explain this one.



Posts like these are just an eyesore of disgust. They have no purpose whatsoever besides to just say things. In other words, fake/fluff.



Switches to Soup after the tiniest bit of pressure from Zapp? Shows his dabuz thing was not even really there and also just a terrible reason. Plus the way he continues to use FUD around my slot instead of actually going after myself/my actions as his attempt in order to hurt my credibility and the fact he keeps bringing up the NK as a reason that he needs protection is terrible.



Nowhere in this post is an explanation as to why dabuz is scum. This is just a fluff post that just drags up posts of dabuz to just drag up posts of dabuz'. I am really really really disliking his fakeness D2 and it is just making me cringe at his slot that he has to be of a scum faction.

Either that or this is the worst I have ever seen Zen play and I am giving him the massive benefit of the doubt here and saying he is scum.

However most of these tells will not make sense because even you have some tells of people that just send off alarms in your own head but you can't really explain why. I just know is the best way to put it and its a terrible explanation, but you are just going to have to take it and suck it up.

Underlying thing I can say that I can put it into laymen's terms is that his lack of town intent/fakeness makes my eyes bleed.

But then I love posts like this.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

My god Glyph is obv town.

Glyph are you the laundry half or the Ryker half?

I mean am I wrong or is Laundry wrong?

**** it, I'm done commenting on scumSTier till I can sit down with Laundry.