Ryker Mafia 3 Day 4 Deadline 8/21 11:59

[Jdietz43]

Anyways I'mma just claim since I'd like to scoot and not hover over this.

I'm Ryker, Town Noisy Neighbor. I'm forced to choose a player within 24 hours once night starts and I'll temporarily cut any outside communication they have to other players effective as soon as it's called in.

N1 I picked Nabe in the hopes it'd screw with him if he was a scum replace-in after Alakaslam
N2 it got randomized because I was afk on vacation

I wish this wasn't the scummiest ****ing sounding role in a game with two non-mafia neighborhoods established, but w/e Rykergameroles.jpg

 

[#HBC | Mac]

but you're not a neighbor yourself?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

[quote="Jdietz43, post: 17286468, member: 108906"N2 it got randomized because I was afk on vacation[/quote]
so ryker didn't tell you who it ended up effecting? Can you ask him and see if he'll tell you?

 

[Jdietz43]

No, I'm just forced to make a lot of ruckus for everyone else. So in the ideal world I make one of the scum-buddies worse for wear but irl I think it's meant to **** equally with town neighbors to balance.

 

[Jdietz43]

[quote="Jdietz43, post: 17286468, member: 108906"N2 it got randomized because I was afk on vacation

so ryker didn't tell you who it ended up effecting? Can you ask him and see if he'll tell you?[/quote]
Sure, let me skype him lel

 

[Jdietz43]

(does it make me an awful person/mafia player that I figured he'd be mad there weren't enough NA's and wouldn't tell me :u)

 

[Jdietz43]

K, he says it ended up being Raz

 

[Jdietz43]

Which I guess means in the end it was actually me(?). I didn't have any outside convos so I guess it didn't matter much

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Noone has outside convos, you could have picked anyone and there wouldn't be a way to verify.

can you ask ryker to post a votecount

 

[Jdietz43]

Ryker says "**** off I'm playing Skyrimt", but Gova says "use the modbot, you made it, put it to good use." :\

 

[Jdietz43]

He might if you spam-join this call though. Or at least later tonight maybe

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Odd claim, but that can be used for scum still.

This game is confusing on the claim side.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

hm, it seems like there is no cop in this set up... (ofc jexs or raz might be cop, but I kinda doubt it)

i only point this out cuz both Scary and I claimed miller

 

[Jdietz43]

Noone has outside convos, you could have picked anyone and there wouldn't be a way to verify.

Also if what you're trying to do with that first line is twist what I was told beyond the candor I've already given, I literally don't think it was neccessary, I'm just reporting the RNG result I was told and it was claim-ass. If I'm lynched for it I'll be actually mad that Ryker's irl response to the "are you serious" fish was to "**** off".

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i had no external motive with that post. I just pointed out cuz I thought of it, but I wanted you to try and get a name of Ryker first to see what'd happen.

 

[Jdietz43]

Especially if it was only because I said it was you who wanted one... ;.;

Anyways I'm out for the night. I know how bad this sounds all told but I think faking a regular role just for Town's sake woulda been worse in the long run, so yooloooo

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

hm, it seems like there is no cop in this set up... (ofc jexs or raz might be cop, but I kinda doubt it)

i only point this out cuz both Scary and I claimed miller

They could be red hearing.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Dont want a Dietz lynch. Will hammer scary instead

Cause im bad

i amuse myself

 

[#HBC | Mac]

rereading and Gheb has no redeeming town qualities and is relatively scummy all the way till toDay.

also gheb has no real reason to keep you alive as scum. Unless he's going for the bus all my mates strategy and save all the real townies. (which actually wouldn't be that bad of a strategy when there is only 1 ML and the full scum team is intact)

I think this actually might be true. YesterDay, when people were switching off Scary and orbo was another strong potential wagon, Gheb switched to the orbo wagon specifically over JD. This is another way Orbo has been disconnected from someone in our scum list. All 3 (Gheb, Orbo, and Raz) have shown that they'd want Orbo to die. Nothing remotely like that has happened with JD

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Wow, after doing some more rereading I realize this about gheb. Gheb's play right before d2 ends is pretty gross and telling

I have a hard time reading anybody truly as scum in this game even though I have few downright town reads. In a game like this I prefer some sort of PoE-approach, where I keep a pool of town reads and leans and agree to lynch whomever isn't in there. For various reasons I'm reading or leaning town on PB&J, Rake, Dietz, Macman and Kantrip. Everybody else is null right now and a viable option in my book though I feel like No Hetero and Dietz could also tenatively join my 'can live' pool depending on their input. That leaves Jexs, Orbo, Scary and Raz as the slots I'd be OK with lynching toDay. I really have no preferrence here though I feel like Jexs should be taken particular care of because he's on like nobody's radar.

This Gheb post is one of his most informative during d2. Note that he has Dietz in his null section and Kantrip in his leantown list.

Scary claim happens and then I prompt ppl to move off his lynch, Marshy and I agree on going JD and support for that lynch is building. In the midst of that, Gheb posts this:

Can totally see Scary as scum tracker fwiw. Not seeing how his claim really claims him but w/e.

Would prefer Orbo lynched over Dietz, mostly based on gut. Will switch if needed though.

Vote Orbo

He explicitly votes orbo over JD. (Orbo wagon had some heat earlier in the day) This isn't too suspect by itself however

Marshy grills Rake. about kantrip vs jdietz and why Rake doesn't wanna go that direction. At this point JDietz is at L-1 and gheb posts this:

Vote Kantrip

Never thought I'd actually say that but right now I feel like I can trust Rake's opinion more than anybody else's =/

He literally randomly votes for Kantrip and literally starts that crappy wagon. (his reasoning being following rake. but even he recognizes how absurd that is). The fact that he chose NOT to hammer JDietz and instead start a late game wagon on Kantrip is very very weird to me for a few reasons:

• In his previous reads post, he has kantrip as town vs JDietz who he has as null. Why would he choose to START a wagon on someone he feels better about than a null read. Plus kantrip barely posted between Gheb's reads post and the end Day shenaningans
• In his post where he votes orbo over jd, he said he'd be willing to switch to jd if need be. Yet for some reason he feels that if orbo wasn't gonna happen, starting a wagon on kantrip makes more sense than actually "voting him if need be"

I can't see any reason why Gheb would act the way he did. It feels that it's very unlikely that gheb would vote in such a way if there wasn't external motives in not lynching JD. At the very least, Gheb's behavior did not match what he'd been saying. When people are inconsistent like this, we lynch them.

Note that this shows a connection between Gheb and JD, since JD was the one he went through all the trouble not to get lynched.

So guys I take back my gheb town lean (he blinded me by saying what i wanted to hear about scary). He def near the top of my "is scum" list now.

@Gheb_01, why the change of heart?

@ Orboknown @ Shun Goku Satsu Rake @ #HBC | Red Ryu thoughts?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'll get to that when I finish a league game.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I think on top of that we have time, even if scary managed to flip town, scum would have to kill me because my ability means lylo is further away, and possibly them getting.

Woah rake, I skimmed this b4. But this is bad and dangerous logic and just simply not true.

Mafia still wins when tie / outnumber town EVEN if town contains a doublevoter and EVEN if town theoretically could still lynch scum because that.

So we only have 1 ML

 

[#HBC | Mac]

another reason to lynch JD over Orbo is that from my previous post, JD has a pretty concrete scum connection to Gheb. So should JD flip town, that'd not only make me feel better about scary (and a tiny bit better about orbo) it would also make me think that Gheb is very close to being scum. (Along with Raz who chose to lynch orbo over JD)

orbo has 3 (not as concrete) scum disconnections with Gheb_01 (from d2 actions), JD and Raz. These are the ppl who think are the most likeliest to be scum, the fact that orbo has disconnections from them is telling and means we really shouldn't lynch orbo.

sigh @ Shun Goku Satsu Rake there are so many reasons why we should lynch JD > Orbo and it bothers me that you can't see them. I respect your ability to analzye and I'm a believer of Aumann's agreement theorem which essentially states that 2 ppl (rationalists) can't agree to disagree if they have shared knowledge and starting from the same set of beliefs. We fit the bill as we both realize we're both town. (atleast i hope you realize im town by now) so the fact that we can't see eye to eye is straight buggin me

just take my damn hand Rake. I know you're not that confident about orbo scum (from what I read of d3's posts up until i tried to get you to switch to JD) so just go with me on this one. If you won't do JD, do Gheb with me


also @Gheb_01, you have to vote JD or you lose face. So I at least have you at my back.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@Raziek, thoughts about my post on Gheb_01?

and man I've been at this game for too long today, I just did a Day's worth of playing in 1 day

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Oh wow, Gheb looks a lot grimier when I read how he went off Dietz and avoided that area, would definitely lynch Gheb on a Jdietz scum flip.

 

[Orboknown]

Mac imma get to you after class today

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

another reason to lynch JD over Orbo is that from my previous post, JD has a pretty concrete scum connection to Gheb. So should JD flip town, that'd not only make me feel better about scary (and a tiny bit better about orbo) it would also make me think that Gheb is very close to being scum. (Along with Raz who chose to lynch orbo over JD)

orbo has 3 (not as concrete) scum disconnections with Gheb_01 (from d2 actions), JD and Raz. These are the ppl who think are the most likeliest to be scum, the fact that orbo has disconnections from them is telling and means we really shouldn't lynch orbo.

sigh @ Shun Goku Satsu Rake there are so many reasons why we should lynch JD > Orbo and it bothers me that you can't see them. I respect your ability to analzye and I'm a believer of Aumann's agreement theorem which essentially states that 2 ppl (rationalists) can't agree to disagree if they have shared knowledge and starting from the same set of beliefs. We fit the bill as we both realize we're both town. (atleast i hope you realize im town by now) so the fact that we can't see eye to eye is straight buggin me

just take my damn hand Rake. I know you're not that confident about orbo scum (from what I read of d3's posts up until i tried to get you to switch to JD) so just go with me on this one. If you won't do JD, do Gheb with me


also @Gheb_01, you have to vote JD or you lose face. So I at least have you at my back.

vote gheb

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

also hehe "do gheb with me" the least we could do is buy him dinner first

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

sigh @ Shun Goku Satsu Rake there are so many reasons why we should lynch JD > Orbo and it bothers me that you can't see them. I respect your ability to analzye and I'm a believer of Aumann's agreement theorem which essentially states that 2 ppl (rationalists) can't agree to disagree if they have shared knowledge and starting from the same set of beliefs. We fit the bill as we both realize we're both town. (atleast i hope you realize im town by now) so the fact that we can't see eye to eye is straight buggin me

j

Look, I am seeing eye to eye with you on a lot of things, so here's what I think: Your gheb stuff is way on point, moreso than my hate for Orbo, I'm willing to move off Orbo because even if I feel i'm right I'm still being a blockhead, this gheb angle is strong and even scary's quip about gheb really resonated with me, I remember Gheb having weird connections to Orbo too and especially the whole thing with Orbo randonly bringing him up, I'm trusting you on Gheb aand if your right, I'll keep following you. You have my word

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Hmmm Gheb had quips on Raz too at points. Plus Orbo and his janky way to try and make sure scary was "cleared". possibly trying to get brownie points like scary mentioned and have him is his corner

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

You were pretty sure Orbo's not scum though. Did you change your mind on it? I personally am not sure about it and feel like Scary is still likely scum. Of course, they could be scum together but I'm also wary of people like Raz and Jexs so I dunno. Probably Scary for me though.

Vote Scary

Also, I definitely think that we should look at Dietz as well. I'll get into specifics later but we should strongly consider lynching one of the inactive slots toDay before it get too late - Raz and Dietz are the main offenders left.

tossing jexs in the pool seems odd here

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Not sure Gheb voting jd would save face for him.but w/e

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Also mac i do see your points on JD i just felt my points on orbo held just as much water. Plus we're both guilty of opposing each other cause we wanna be right. Im taking your hand cause the gheb connections you've shown are better from a outside glance than my orbo ones something i didn't really feel for jd

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Now, @ #HBC | Mac , @#HBC | Scary , @#Orbokniwn @ #HBC | Red Ryu

Let's lynch gheb and start the scum lynch train.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

And lets get this done cause deadline dost fast approacith

 

[JeXs]

vote: gheb

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Very unrelated, Jexs every time i read your name first i think "sexist" then i think "sexy j "

 

[#HBC | Mac]

vote: gheb

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I still prefer JD, cuz I know scum tried hard to not get him lynched, and we know gheb didn't go anywhere thanks to d1, so he might not be the mafia killer, or a mafiaoso that has a night action to stop scary. I think we get more connections from a JD flip too

but I'll settle for gheb. but if anyone wants to switch to JD, i'm right behind you.

If Gheb flips scum, lynch JD no questions asked.

If they both flip scum, lynch Raz no questions asked.

if that isn't the scum team, than I'm not sure. I'd probably go to orbo next (or scary if his night actions don't really hold up)... I still feel strongly about jexs town.

RR if we lynch gheb, i'd probably roleblock JD or Raz

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'd get reflected by Raz.

Would still prefer JD over Gheb but I'm not opposed to Gheb either.