Ryker Mafia 3 Day 4 Deadline 8/21 11:59

[#HBC | Mac]

I'm willing to pursue this a little bit.

Vote: Gheb

Though Gheb has been really sound in his play and generally is leaning town I'm willing to believe Raz's claim for the time being and believing that Gheb used the idea of multiple redirector roles and his hard stance to keep me alive as a grasp to gain townie points.

My tinfoil hat is rather comfy I must say.

this gheb logic is hellla convoluted

becuz raz is a mirror, doesn't make him town. you can believe his power but that doesn't tell you his alignment.

also gheb has no real reason to keep you alive as scum. Unless he's going for the bus all my mates strategy and save all the real townies. (which actually wouldn't be that bad of a strategy when there is only 1 ML and the full scum team is intact)

From gheb's POV, his role logic makes sense. Plus he could have used that as any alignment. it seems pretty null to me. I think if most of his actions make you lean town, that what you stated here shouldn't change your opinoin of him.


(not saying he isn't scum though)

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Raz is the only other person I'd be down to lynch. I'd still heavily prefer a JD lynch. I don't think we have enough info to go with gheb today, and his flip doesn't tell us much.

 

[Jdietz43]

Aight I'm live and current now wewt

@Mac: Okay but there's literally nothing I can do about that. You're basing your entire decision around your read of other people's reads about me vs another slot and how accurate your own opinion on them is and their stated opinion on two other slots rather than just your opinion on me and what I did. I get the logic, but that's so ****ing many assumptions and you're putting ALL the ML eggs in one basket when I know I can logic out who the rest are on an Orbo scumflip. It'd be way easier to just read me and remove all the extra assumption variables. Occam's Razor baybeee

I will ask you to re-read everything Orbo has posted so far in this game and strongly reconsider. I think we've got some hella scum-Orbo in this one and I won't accept anyone else. I can go fetch the most obvious examples if you give me a few minutes.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Scary, assuming Raz is telling the truth, then gheb wouldn't think that your power would have weird NA shenaningans, unless Raz an dgheb are scum together AND raz's role isn't what he claims to be. unless he has a way to neutralize you at night, keeping you alive today just so he could ML in lylo is pretty risky since you're the real tracker and every night you stay alive gives town more info

 

[Orboknown]

Imma laugh when rake and jd see my town flips

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Imma laugh when rake and jd see my town flips

you flip twice ?

 

[Jdietz43]

Exhibit A:

Imma laugh when rake and jd see my town flips

Wherein Orbo says this instead of trying explaining why he's been town when he realizes the game for his faction is on the line

(I wish I could say this was a joke, but it's a serious scumtell imo)

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Aight I'm live and current now wewt

@Mac: Okay but there's literally nothing I can do about that. You're basing your entire decision around your read of other people's reads about me vs another slot and how accurate your own opinion on them is and their stated opinion on two other slots rather than just your opinion on me and what I did. I get the logic, but that's so ****ing many assumptions and you're putting ALL the ML eggs in one basket when I know I can logic out who the rest are on an Orbo scumflip. It'd be way easier to just read me and remove all the extra assumption variables. Occam's Razor baybeee

I will ask you to re-read everything Orbo has posted so far in this game and strongly reconsider. I think we've got some hella scum-Orbo in this one and I won't accept anyone else. I can go fetch the most obvious examples if you give me a few minutes.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Scary, assuming Raz is telling the truth, then gheb wouldn't think that your power would have weird NA shenaningans, unless Raz an dgheb are scum together AND raz's role isn't what he claims to be. unless he has a way to neutralize you at night, keeping you alive today just so he could ML in lylo is pretty risky since you're the real tracker and every night you stay alive gives town more info

I agree. Frankly, I thought I was gonna die for sure after I claimed. Good points. What you bring up in Raz in this still makes me leery about him but I will buy into the roles power. Alignment I'm not sure tho.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Aight I'm live and current now wewt

@Mac: Okay but there's literally nothing I can do about that. You're basing your entire decision around your read of other people's reads about me vs another slot and how accurate your own opinion on them is and their stated opinion on two other slots rather than just your opinion on me and what I did. I get the logic, but that's so ****ing many assumptions and you're putting ALL the ML eggs in one basket when I know I can logic out who the rest are on an Orbo scumflip. It'd be way easier to just read me and remove all the extra assumption variables. Occam's Razor baybeee

I will ask you to re-read everything Orbo has posted so far in this game and strongly reconsider. I think we've got some hella scum-Orbo in this one and I won't accept anyone else. I can go fetch the most obvious examples if you give me a few minutes.

How do you fee labout raz claim + scary action

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I agree. Frankly, I thought I was gonna die for sure after I claimed. Good points. What you bring up in Raz in this still makes me leery about him but I will buy into the roles power. Alignment I'm not sure tho.

Imma PR, should lynch fake PR orbo with me :arcanine\:

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@Mac: Okay but there's literally nothing I can do about that.

I know. Doesn't mean that this isn't the right paly though

You're basing your entire decision around your read of other people's reads about me vs another slot and how accurate your own opinion on them is and their stated opinion on two other slots rather than just your opinion on me and what I did.

I'm not basing my entire decision off of it. My logic for toDay has been as follows:

• Going in disliking Orbo / Gheb from d1 play and kantrip ML and disliking JD for reasons marshy mentioned
  
• Prevent Scary quicklynch to force ppl to have opinions on others
• Realize Scary seems more townie as time goes and he's a tracker so postponing his lynch would hurt scum and not hurt town much and it gives us time to feel better about his slot
• See how gungho JD is about the Scary lynch, most of his posts are tryna get him lynched. Scum would really wanna lynch a town scary because of tracker and how easy the lynch would be following Scary's play yesterday. JD came into the game tryna push for this (he didn't go for the quicklynch though but that's just general playing it safe as scum imo)
• Feel Gheb is town based off his posts and him defending Scary.
• Orbo not pushing Scary hard is null, but not explicitly bad like JD pushing Scary. This is why I started leaning towards you over orbo
• Try to get people to choose between JD and Orbo because they're the scummiest thus far. And everyone else (except Raz) is a town lean to me. Getting people to choose forces them to pick a side which is all really good information that we can use after one or both of them flips
• Lean more towards lynching JD cuz Raz (who is also likely scum) chose orbo over JD (despite thinking both are likely scum) which gives me the. The fact that he chose orbo makes me wanna do the opposite.
• Recent posts by Orbo's start reading more genuine to me

I get the logic, but that's so ****ing many assumptions and you're putting ALL the ML eggs in one basket when I know I can logic out who the rest are on an Orbo scumflip. It'd be way easier to just read me and remove all the extra assumption variables. Occam's Razor baybeee

I'm using the information of how I feel about the entire player list to help determine who is scum. Only looking at your posts in isolation and ignoring how I feel about others isn't imo the best way to determine your alignment. Taking everything into account is better

idk what you mean by im putting all the ML eggs in one basket.

Tell me who is scum based on an orbo scumflip, seeing as how you can logic that out

 

[Orboknown]

you flip twice ?

typo, should just read flip

Exhibit A:



Wherein Orbo says this instead of trying explaining why he's been town when he realizes the game for his faction is on the line

(I wish I could say this was a joke, but it's a serious scumtell imo)

I really haven't been anything but a bouncy null imo till kate today. Thought process has been scattershot but combos of reading and outside forces influenced that to a degree. You and rake are tunnelling into this

 

[Jdietz43]

How do you fee labout raz claim + scary action

Honestly I'm inclined to believe there's at least some truth to each side of it. I don't think it really gives either of them credit, but it didn't hurt my opinion of em. Why, what's your take on it?

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Imma PR, should lynch fake PR orbo with me :arcanine\:

That reminds me, that gonna get used or you saving it for tomorrow?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

jd how do you feel about claiming right now

 

[Jdietz43]

@Mac: Well I'd say Scary is a good next step. Considering how much Orbo has talked bad about Scary as soon as it seems like Scary was off the hook for toDay seems suspicious to me. (I'd honestly put you in as a potential 3rd for this hard-defend, though Raz is more likely if Scary also flipped scum).

I guess I don't have any qualms with claiming if other people want it. I don't think I will if it's literally just you though.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i'm not hard defending orbo at all, I'm the reason an orbo lynch is even being considered

 

[Orboknown]

Might as well get the claims out there.
I was talking bad about scary from daystart, and it wasn't until tonight I actually start ted backing off of that as he posted

 

[#HBC | Mac]

and even if you thought this was defense, not sure why you would think it's scummy. Not sure why you would think i'm LESS likely to be scum if scary is scum...




RAKE PLEASEEEEE

gawd why do you make me plead and beg

 

[Jdietz43]

i'm not hard defending orbo at all, I'm the reason an orbo lynch is even being considered

I think you need a serious re-read Mac.

 

[Jdietz43]

and even if you thought this was defense, not sure why you would think it's scummy. Not sure why you would think i'm LESS likely to be scum if scary is scum...

It shoulda read "also more likely" as in I'd definitely consider him along with you. I mean he did just come back in with a convenient claim.

Typing is hard ;.;

 

[#HBC | Mac]

actually you right jd, lemme not try to take credit for that. plus while i said i was for either orbo and JD, I always pushed JD harder, so I could see how that's a pseudo defense of him

 

[Jdietz43]

Not only that, you literally left him off your later choices. Possible defend is possible, so I'm not going to act like I'm not thinking it if I die.

Raz is the only other person I'd be down to lynch. I'd still heavily prefer a JD lynch. I don't think we have enough info to go with gheb today, and his flip doesn't tell us much.

 

[Orboknown]

I'm gonna head out for the night. Will at least read after pt but before school tomorrow, should be free from about 1915 onwards tomorrow. Please don't lynch till then

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Not only that, you literally left him off your later choices. Possible defend is possible, so I'm not going to act like I'm not thinking it if I die.

wrt to my post I mean't other other than jd or orbo. Though at that point in time my suspicions are more like JD > Raz > orbo

also do you think a scum partner would 'hard defend' like you say i'm doing? especially when all 3 mates are alive and there are only 2 mls left to get to a scum win

 

[Jdietz43]

wrt to my post I mean't other other than jd or orbo. Though at that point in time my suspicions are more like JD > Raz > orbo

also do you think a scum partner would 'hard defend' like you say i'm doing? especially when all 3 mates are alive and there are only 2 mls left to get to a scum win

I don't see why they wouldn't try since we're working with basically no confirmed scum connections atm. Besides, you think you're obv-town in everyone else's eyes.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

also JD do you think I am actually informed, (moreso than just being mafia)?

and followup, Do you think Joey as informed scum would post that info before replacing? Do you think Joey went through the thought process that he should post his information so that his replacee might seem obvious town becuase there'd be no reason for scum to ever want to post this? You think that could be more likely than him wanting the info out there as town just in case he got lynched b4 he was replaced?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

what is a confirmed scum connection?

 

[Jdietz43]

EBWOP: Alright at the first point, but you see how this has gotten looking like fmpov

 

[#HBC | Mac]

scary, pbnj don't track / rb the following ppl tonight: Me, Rake, Scary, RR, Gheb

if anyone disagrees with the above, feel free to say why

 

[#HBC | Mac]

who else wants JD to claim? so far we have Orbo and me

 

[Jdietz43]

@Ninjas:

(I actually kinda forgot you were Joey's replacement :x). No, Joey's intent seemed pretty legit, I don't think he'd out that stuff as scum, at least not at his own suggestion. And he probs wouldn't have just said random **** because he wanted to either.

The real question would probs be more like "did ryker give Joey bad info" but as far as I can tell he didn't.

I honestly don't get what you're asking in the confirmed scum connection thing

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Fair list. Alrighty Mac. I'm gonna go ahead and just add Raz because of the whole mirror thing.

 

[Jdietz43]

I'm guess i'm letting the OMGUS get to me here on thinking you pushing me could be scum-motivated, but you're giving me like no personal credit in a scenario where I can just see Orbo-scum leaking out of his meta but you want me instead and it's super frustrating. I really do think you should re-read the game if you're thinking all this stuff.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I don't see why they wouldn't try since we're working with basically no confirmed scum connections atm.

what is a confirmed scum connection?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

don't get frustrated. me thinking you;re scum isn't a judgement on your character has a human being!

i'm fine with orbo going i just want you (and/or Raz) over him, nbd right?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@ Jdietz43 would you be willing to swtich to Raz?

 

[Jdietz43]

Like: We have no scum flips that aren't J Indy. AKA No confirmed scum yet, so everything we're doing right now is speculative. I feel like scum has enough wiggle room at this point they'd probably not shy too far from backing one of their own to get to mylo.

 

[Jdietz43]

@ Jdietz43 would you be willing to swtich to Raz?

I'd lynch Raz if it's literally going to be me otherwise since me=known he=unkown, but I'd rather have Orbo tbqh.