Roy Impressions Thread

[Dooms]

Yeah if you save your double jump you will generally be fine recovery-wise unless you're fighting Rosalina, Sheik, or Sonic (which is the same for most characters in this game).

 

[LEGOfan12]

Actually, now people who complained about him will get themselved seared in hellfire.

In a more serious note, I've seen people warm up to Roy more after seeing him. It's very relieving.

I'm very happy to see them warm up to Roy. It feels so good to see less people argue about him.

 

[LEGOfan12]

Honestly I think Roy has one of the best Up Bs in the entire game, but honestly his recovery feels even worse than Ganondorf's. Without any horizontal option (as far as I know) not only is his recovery predictable, but really easy to intercept, even with out that armor. I honestly feel really uncomfortable going off stage with Roy, because even his vertical distances can be pitiful if you angle the Up B wrong. Any tips? I am really liking Roy, and I feel this is the only thing holding the character back.

I find it pretty good for combos. It's better in recovering than in Melee but still not great.

 

[LEGOfan12]

When I turn, I usually block while running, let go, and change direction.

 

[smesty]

I have always had issues in Smash issuing Ftilts. I always end up Fsmashing or dash attacking.

Could a tilt stick be justified for Roy? What do you guys use?

 

[Bribery]

I use the tilt stick for all characters I play. I find it much easier to space and control my aerials, especially Nairs thanks to the diagonal input on the C-Stick.

I occasionally mess up my F-Smash inputs using + /, but at least Roy's F-Tilt and Dash Attack also kill at reasonable %s so messing up the input isn't as bad as it is for some other characters.

 

[smokebomb12]

Obviously Roy is back and can now face off against the one who took his place! Lets give out some tips on how to combat Ike!

 

[123outerme]

Honestly, Roy's moves and movement speeds are faster, so dancing around Ike, especially in the air, won't be a problem. When doing Dthrow combos, you can read the Nair and either shield and regrab or Counter. Because Ike has a limited pool of fast moves, and because Roy is just as powerful, if not more powerful (in terms of kill power), Ike shouldn't be a problem. Marth, because of his zoning style, is more of a threat.

Also, shouldn't this be in the Matchup thread?

 

[Ecchin]

Hi i've been playing Roy since his release, and now is my main because i feel good with him. But there's many hard MUs that i can't face off with him like Sheik or Rosalina, and i want to have a pocket character to face against bad characters for Roy, any tips?

 

[SafCar]

Don't pursue Ike off stage, it can lead to us getting hit by Quick Draw or worse, Aether's Meteor Spike. Instead, wait his recovery out and go for the ledge trump. Use the ledge trump to go for the Flare Blade when Ike regrabs the ledge.

Ike's also somewhat heavy, meaning our Dthrow/Fthrow combos work well even past potential KO % (in terms of Fsmash, that is.).

For this MU, we need to play a bit defensively. If we rush in, Ike will take advantage of our endlag and punish. If we can wait him out, then he will be the one using laggy attacks, which we can take full advantage of. A flowchart for this MU is something like this for me

1. Retreating Nair/Fair to bait Ike's approach
2. Rush in after a move and go for the throw
3. Proceed to throw combo him to death%
4. Punish his attacks with a Ftilt/Fsmash Sweetspotted. If he is still alive, go for the ledge trump
5. Flare Blade the ledge regrab
6. Dance around with SHFF Nair until invincibility wears off, then start back at Step 1

 

[DiscoingGD]

I'm so happy Roy's back! I'm still getting used his shorter sword range (Damn reverse grip jab), but I'm loving his fighting style. Coming from Melee, I like my characters to have a quick, aggressive pace, but still hit with some authority. In the new Smash, Falcon was the only one that I felt had that potential, but I'm so used to swordsmen that I had trouble using the Captain.

Anyway, here's a few things I noticed that I haven't read about elsewhere:

1. I tried to do only the first swing of the DED and then an Fsmash (Effective with Melee Marth), but I noticed a huge delay if you only do the first swing. Is there any way around that, or do you have to commit to the Dance once you start it?

2. I thought Dthrow to Up B was supposed to be unstoppable. Am I doing it wrong, because I've had a few people able to dodge the Up B, even at low percentages.

3. I usually just run in at people, especially with Roy, but once in a while I take a step back and let them initiate: What are some baits you guys use? My new favorite is Neutral B, followed by a surprisingly quick Fsmash. Seems like no one online sees it coming.

 

[Pedker]

Server maintenance made me type this twice... fml

1. As far as I know right now, DED has a decent chunk of cooldown lag. However, both Marth's DB and Roy's DED are faster when used in the air. Marth's floaty butt could short hop it into another aerial, but Roy's too heavy/manly for that. An idea though would be to use the first DED high in the air, or even offstage; follow it up with an aerial, up tilt, up B, etc (I haven't gotten anything to true combo in training mode though). Other than that, I would just go for all 4 hits.

2. It IS a true combo, but I'm guessing only at certain percents/characters/DI, because like you i've experienced people getting out. Someone should do testing on that (perhaps me lol).

3. I also like using neutral B. Its cooldown time is so stupid good, and it's funny when people get hit with it. I also like to use foxtrot dash-dancing (>, ><, <>, ><, so on) to look for a grab. Both Marth and Roy's dash-dance are really good; I'd recommend anyone playing either character to use it often.

Screw defense for a second, though. I have trouble taking the offensive! maybe its because I mained Marth :/. I find myself getting my nairs shield-grabbed a lot... any tips on offensive play?

 

[IrkenPPG]

Way too early to tell. He has good mobility and kill setups, but suffers from an awful recovery. I could see him in low A/high B.

Roy's recovery is not AWFUL. It is OK, while it's not the best it gets the job done. And if his recovery was just as good as Marth's he would be a bit OP.

 

[Liyrex]

As a previous Marcina main, i can predict he will surpass both of them, however i feel like as meta game develops for ryu, ryu will be at the top in front of roy, only because nobody knows how to use ryu, i do think roy is more versatile than lucas and predict upper B tier or Lower A

 

[Liyrex]

Well i don't know if this helps but since I was a marcina main before Lucina still works well in addition to him against faster characters. I don't know how to deal with good rosalinas, but against shiek here are a few of my secondaries which tend to work well.
can dictate the pace of the match and even zone shiek falcon and other rush downs
will work well against rosalina but shes hard to pick up and requires a certain mentality to use effectively
with his buffs i think he now has a better matchup on both of them.

 

[ArikadoSD]

He's pretty decent but not top or high tier tbh, maybe the last in the high tier, but I personally feel right now it's more suitable in upper mid tier.

He has some pretty bad matchups. has bad recovery. and lacks kill set ups. Dthrow to up b isn't a true combo at all @Sora66

 

[TaRtOoN-Hand94]

Long Live Lucas! Blaze with Joy for Roy!
And while you're at it... Let's get Sakurai to finish the job!

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Now is our time! Let's get our veterans Back!

 

[~Neutral~]

I wanted to ask a question about Double-Edge Dance,

If there's anything I remember from Melee it's that it was one of Roy's best attacks from that game. I noticed after using him for several days that it behaves a lot differently in this game than it did in Melee (flame being on the 4th hit, different final attacks, etc). Also if I'm not mistaken, correct me if I'm wrong because its been awhile, but I could of sworn I could also combo out of Double-Edge Dance, but it doesn't seem like I can do that anymore with Smash 4.

With all the above being said I also find that whenever I try to use this attack (especially in online play) I constantly get punished for trying to execute it. Either A they block all the hits and I'm dashed or grabbed, or B I never get to hit the target and it almost seems as if I over assume that it'll catch my target, so what results is it leaves me wide open for my opponent to come in and punish me.

It's not that I don't know how to use the attack itself, I learned from trial and error that the best overall combination are these two:

1)
->->->
2)
->->->

My question is how do I use Double-Edge dance in a way where I'm not going to be punished in a match and it'll help me? Also are there follow ups that I can use with it or before it?

 

[HalcyonDays]

You can use it to replace a jab while you're in the middle of your run animation. This is useful when you're running one direction, and you suddenly DED the other direction.

In Melee, you could only do this out of a dash animation (if I'm remembering correctly) but in this game, I think it's best done out of a run animation.

In Sm4sh though, once you start it, you basically have to commit, or stop mid-way and hope they don't punish.

Try experimenting with the full downwards variation >vvv to poke at your opponents' feet once their shield starts to diminish. If you hit their shield, you should also try timing it so that you can input the next attack as late as possible. It can mess with their timing and make them think they can punish, or if they hold shield, it'll at least drain it a bit more.

This is all theoretical though, but give it a swing? Or 4?

 

[Shack]

As a taunt. Or to close some distance when they're out of reach of your jab/tilts

 

[SafCar]

We can chain into it from an Fthrow at mid percent range. A foxtrot into DED is more reliable than a dash attack (the other followup) since it allows us to follow up the initial hit faster than a dash attack.

 

[TheMasonOrder]

I can care less what tier Roy's in, All that I care about is that if he's better than Robin in the tiers.



kappa

 

[dy831532sssfjhhggb2224523]

Pivot dtilts with the cstick set on attack are sexy.

I learned to dtilt and reverse dtilt out of pivot/pp without the cstick on attack since I like it on smashes, but it's a lot easier with cstick on attack.

 

[Hellrazor]

I can't survive w/o my c-stick set to smashes. I just force my hands to learn the difference between tilts and manual smashes.

 

[Hyjacked]

Everyone's going on about how great of a character Roy is, but I'd like to take a second and point out just how awesome he looks! His armour is fantastic, his weird flared-trouser-boot-bell-bottom thingies look awesome, and the way he holds his sword backhanded for a lot of his moves really gives him his own style that makes him feel more like his own character and less like a Marth clone. I'm loving how Roy plays, but his looks make the hype even stronger.

 

[Chiroz]

Everyone's going on about how great of a character Roy is, but I'd like to take a second and point out just how awesome he looks! His armour is fantastic, his weird flared-trouser-boot-bell-bottom thingies look awesome, and the way he holds his sword backhanded for a lot of his moves really gives him his own style that makes him feel more like his own character and less like a Marth clone. I'm loving how Roy plays, but his looks make the hype even stronger.

Roy has always looked cool though. In Melee he was just the much cooler version of Marth, albeit weaker and slower. Now he's just plain awesome.

 

[HalcyonDays]

Our Boy is sooo handsome.

Bringing all the girls to the yard.

 

[IWinToLose]

Roy looks better than ever in this game. From the way he swings his sword to his character model and movement animations <3

 

[Smash Arena]

Roy is the best character to ever grace Smash with his presence. He was the best in Melee, and now the best in Smash 4. His incomplete data was on the disc in Brawl, thus he was the best character there too. Roy created the Earth and universe, and is the father of humankind. Why'd we discover Ph1r3 before electricity? It was Roy's plan. Why and how did dinosaurs go extinct? Roy destroyed them with his Ph1r3 to make room for humankind, all in his plan to create Sakurai, and in turn, Smash. I pray to Roy at night for the safety and well-being of my loved ones. I spend my weekends bringing others into Roy's sacred love. Roy's our boy. Roy's everyone's boy.

 

[Chiroz]

I'd say he's high tier. He's not top 5, but he is definitely top 15. What's best is that he's the only swordsman and the only disjointed (or at least swordsman-range disjointed) deserving of high tier which will make him a very specific threat.

 

[Seraphim.]

I really love how they made the Sword of Seals look in Smash 4, it looks more bulkier and heavy compared to Melee.

 

[Chiroz]

I really love how they made the Sword of Seals look in Smash 4, it looks more bulkier and heavy compared to Melee.

I think it now looks like it's game right? In Melee it was basically the Falchion with a recolored hilt.

Sword of Seals looks way more awesome.

 

[Hyjacked]

Agreed! Get that lame-ass hilt outta here.

 

[~Neutral~]

I'd say he's definitely A tier, possibly B+ tier, but by no means is he going to be one of the top 5 characters. What's really going to hold him back though is his recovery.

 

[guedes the brawler]

we need to wait. Roy is a high risk/high reward character and it will take a while for people to get used t him and roy players to work against those that know how to fight roy.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Shiek is the best secondary for everyone. including Sheik.

 

[LotadAlittle]

Shiek is the best secondary for everyone. including Sheik.

*sees your mains are Mac and Bowser jr.*
I don't know what to believe any more...

 

[iAmKababMan]

If it helps, I personally play Pikachu and Little Mac as secondaries to Roy. I tend to play more campier styles with them compared to Roy's constant rush down.

 

[guedes the brawler]

*sees your mains are Mac and Bowser jr.*
I don't know what to believe any more...

...excuse me, i don't get the problem?

(if it's about me not using ,it's because i despise that character)

 

[Liyrex]

...excuse me, i don't get the problem?

(if it's about me not using ,it's because i despise that character)

I despise her too, she hasn't been relevant since 1998. Still one of my secondaries though.