Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[BKupa666]

It would also depend on whether newcomers are being used to promote games, period. It hasn't been the case with Pikmin 3 or Wonderful 101, but those characters weren't really likely in any way to begin with. We'll be able to test this soon with the various Wii U shovelware, Mario 3D Land and Tropical Freeze.

In the former two cases, it makes one think, why include a character to promote a new game, then not show the most obvious date on which to use them as a promotion? It's not as though there's been any hesitation to show off unlockables...

 

[SeatreasureReturned]

Yeah, that's why I said unless Sakurai wants to unveil a DK newcomers instead. Though that does hinge on Dixie actually being included, which definitely could happen, but isn't a guarantee or anything. It also could hinge on whether Sakurai wants her to be a starter or hidden character, as he might not want new hidden characters revealed before release (other than 3rd parties). But yeah, it's a possibility.

Agreed. It just makes sense to reveal Dixie during Tropical Freeze more than anyone else. Granted if she isn't in the game, I don't see KRool being revealed in February since he most likely isn't in Tropical Freeze, which would make Diddy the most likely reveal. When Diddy is revealed may give us a better clue to how the DK character situation is going to be handled, but speculation is just speculation and it is difficult to predict anything with this game.

 

[BKupa666]

The other, worst case scenario is that both Diddy and Dixie are shown to be a duo in February.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

In terms of the next reveal after Pokemon, perhaps Mewtwo/Roy for Melee's anniversary on Nov. 21st?

 

[BluePikmin11]

The other, worst case scenario is that both Diddy and Dixie are shown to be a duo in February.

Not really a problem.
Although they should work like Samus/ZSS, after you use a FS you change to Dixie.

 

[Deleted member]

You know who should have his own trailer?

Dr. Mario.

 

[BKupa666]

Not really a problem.
Although they should work like Samus/ZSS, after you use a FS you change to Dixie.

I hate the idea since it's taking two characters who ought to stand on their own as they do in all but one game and wasting development time programming them into an outdated duo mechanic that's a combination of two flawed mechanics that already need rebalancing. I don't understand what the value is in replicating ZSS' mechanic with them either, given that it seems like a silly way to appease the people who don't want to play as both at once while still unnecessarily forcing them into one slot.

Of note, I'm not arguing it couldn't happen. I'd hope the 3DS would force Sakurai to cut the idea once again if he somehow remained convinced it was a good one, but we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[ChronoBound]

In terms of the next reveal after Pokemon, perhaps Mewtwo/Roy for Melee's anniversary on Nov. 21st?

Super Mario 3D World...

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I hate the idea since it's taking two characters who ought to stand on their own as they do in all but one game and wasting development time programming them into an outdated duo mechanic that's a combination of two flawed mechanics that already need rebalancing. I don't understand what the value is in replicating ZSS' mechanic with them either, given that it seems like a silly way to appease the people who don't want to play as both at once while still unnecessarily forcing them into one slot.

Of note, I'm not arguing it couldn't happen. I'd hope the 3DS would force Sakurai to cut the idea once again if he somehow remained convinced it was a good one, but we'll just have to wait and see.

I hate the idea of forcing a player to choose a character by force. ZSS is an example of this. Bad idea.

Super Mario 3D World...

That would be assuming Newcomers are going to be used to advertise new game. So far, that hasn't happened. However, there's nothing saying it can't happen.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Super Mario 3D World...

As it stands now I highly doubt we'll get newcomers outside of Directs. Even Sonic was too big of a deal to announce outside of a Direct supposedly, and I really don't see them just randomly popping up a newcomer on the site with a trailer and everything. I'm also not expecting a major Direct until January of next year (or maybe in December to shamelessly advertise to sell tons of stuff for christmas,) that's our chance at getting a newcomer imo, especially since it'd have been half a year since the game's reveal too, and further half a year until E3.

 

[Johnknight1]

Probably gonna be a November reveal, since Sonic is out of the way. It's up to anyone's guess on who it's going to be on the 12th November if they're keeping that trend (crossing fingers for C. Falcon because of F-Zero anniversary,) and I'm unsure if we'll get the Zelda reveal late November or early December.

Yeah, since A Link Between Worlds comes out on the day after Christmas in Japan, I think that's when either Zelda or Sheik will be revealed. It also comes out on the November 22nd in North America.

Zelda or Sheik could be revealed earlier than that, however, as Ocarina of Time's 15th Anniversary and A Link to the Past's 22nd Anniversary, and Donkey Kong Country's 19th Anniversary is on November 21st, 2013. That's an important and crazy date, given 3 of the best games ever were released on that day. We could literally get anything that day.

Oh, and for the record, DKC2, DKC3, and DK64 respectively came out on the 20th, 22nd, and 24th of November. Do with that what you will.

As for other than that, we got Mario 3D World (newcomer? stage? Yoshi? Wario?), Wii U Party (Miis? A new stage?), Wii Fit U (a Wii Fit stage=??? A male Wii Fit Trainer confirmed=???), and... well... that's about it.

Also, Super Metroid's Anniversary 20th Anniversary is March 19th, 2014. Keep that in mind, as we could get a Zero Suit Samus or Ridley reveal then. Also, EarthBound's 20th Anniversary is August 27th, 2014. Man, how many freaking amazing games came out in 1994=???

Lastly, NEW SMB Wii's 3rd Anniversary is in 2 days (a new stage=???) and Galaxy's 6th Anniversary is the 1st of November (same thing). Oh, and Melee's 12 Anniversary is on November 21st. We could definitely get a Melee veteran then.

 

[N3ON]

Even though Sakurai previously did try to get the tag-team mechanic for Diddy and Dixie, I hope he doesn't (and don't expect him to) return to it. Unlike Sheik, or ZSS, or the Trainer's Pokemon (with perhaps the exception of Charizard), both Diddy and Dixie can stand on their own as independent characters, they aren't so situational, unimportant, or tied to each other as the other multiple character characters. Sheik wouldn't work without Zelda, ZSS wouldn't work without Samus, but Dixie can work without Diddy, very well actually. If anything, lumping them together would only hinder them imo.

If anything, the expansion of Dixie in TF proves that she's clearly her own character and can exist free from Diddy, I mean as far as we know Diddy and Dixie can't even be playable at the same time in TF.

 

[Johnknight1]

You know who should have his own trailer?

Dr. Mario.

Dr. Mario got (something of) a trailer, too.

 

[Deleted member]

Not good enough.

If he isn't using BRIGHTLY COLORED PILLS (THEY CURE ALL YOUR ILLS) he aint' Doc.

 

[Johnknight1]

The other, worst case scenario is that both Diddy and Dixie are shown to be a duo in February.

That would one of the worst things to happen to a future Smash Bros. game PERIOD!!!!

While we're at it, why don't we just make Mario and Luigi one tag team character.

 

[Knight Dude]

If Dr.Mario is ever brought back, his tagline needs to be something like "The Doctor checks in!" or "The Doc has a PhD in Pain!!"


@N3on Sorry, misread your post. Btw, Nice Harley avatar.

 

[BKupa666]

That would one of the worst things to happen to a future Smash Bros. game PERIOD!!!!

While we're at it, why don't we just make Mario and Luigi one tag team character.

Hell, if "relevance" and New Donkey Kong Reps is all people care about, just make two separate Donkey Kongs playable, one with Diddy riding him and one with Dixie. So unique!!

 

[TumblrFamous]

Even though Sakurai previously did try to get the tag-team mechanic for Diddy and Dixie, I hope he doesn't (and don't expect him to) return to it. Unlike Sheik, or ZSS, or the Trainer's Pokemon (with perhaps the exception of Charizard), both Diddy and Dixie can stand on their own as independent characters, they aren't so situational, unimportant, or tied to each other as the other multiple character characters. Sheik wouldn't work without Zelda, ZSS wouldn't work without Samus, but Dixie can work without Diddy, very well actually. If anything, lumping them together would only hinder them imo.

If anything, the expansion of Dixie in TF proves that she's clearly her own character and can exist free from Diddy, I mean as far as we know Diddy and Dixie can't even be playable at the same time in TF.

I agree with this. Dixie and Diddy should not be together, it would be quite a slap to the face for both of them.

 

[Johnknight1]

If Dr.Mario is ever brought back, his tagline needs to be something like "The Doctor checks in!" or "The Doc has a PhD in Pain!!"

I think Dr. Mario's Melee tagline was "His Prescription? Pain!" That one was pretty boss actually.

Not good enough.

If he isn't using BRIGHTLY COLORED PILLS (THEY CURE ALL YOUR ILLS) he aint' Doc.

There were pretty bright pills, although Brawl's dim and grayed down color scale took away from the brightness.

Also, major hype for Young Link, Party Hat Pikachu, Crown (QU33N) Jigglypuff, Mr. L, and Rosalina as alternate outfits!

 

[TumblrFamous]

I thought Dr. Mario's Melee tagline was "His Prescription? Pain!"

"His prescription? K.O.s."

 

[Johnknight1]

Hell, if "relevance" and New Donkey Kong Reps is all people care about, just make two separate Donkey Kongs playable, one with Diddy riding him and one with Dixie. So unique!!

BUT MUH RECUNCY IS MUH RELIGUN!!!!

AND I'M LUSNIG MUH RELIGUN!!!!

I THUGHT EYE SAW WII FIT TRANUR CRYNG!!!

 

[shinhed-echi]

I just hope Diddy Kong gets nerfed to ONE bannana out at once.
Bannana locking was just... STUPID. Or at least make them disappear after ONE slip, like in Mario Kart.


On a side note... all those Dr.Mario puns... lmao. I should steal one for my Fun with Puns and Snake thread. XD

 

[TumblrFamous]

I just hope Diddy Kong gets nerfed to ONE bannana out at once.
Bannana locking was just... STUPID. Or at least make them disappear after ONE slip, like in Mario Kart.


On a side note... all those Dr.Mario puns... lmao. I should steal one for my Fun with Puns and Snake thread. XD

Yeah, that would definitely make him less annoying.

Apart from Meta Knight and chaingrabbing, what types of nerfs are you all hoping to see?

 

[Johnknight1]

I agree with this. Dixie and Diddy should not be together, it would be quite a slap to the face for both of them.

Not only that, but could you imagine Diddy as he is in Brawl tag teaming with Dixie in Brawl=???

It would be more broken then Meta Knight.

 

[Knight Dude]

Yeah, that would definitely make him less annoying.

Apart from Meta Knight and chaingrabbing, what types of nerfs are you all hoping to see?

I'm not too sure I want to see many nerfs myself. I mostly want to see Mario get some buffs. Namely Fludd, Down Smash, Side Smash, and some of his air attacks.

 

[Johnknight1]

"His prescription? K.O.s."

I like my Clubber Lang modification of Dr. Mario's Melee tagline more.

Also, SAY "YES" TO CLUBBER LANG MEMES!!!!

"I PITY THE FOO WHO DON'T PLAY AS TOON LINK!!!"

 

[Morbi]

Morbid I give. I appreciate everything you said in my defense. I hadn't known in the past 5 years this had been the point of a heated debate here on the boards.

Hell I stepped into the discussion stating that it was my opinion and perspective, which as opinions are known to be, possibly wrong. I guess i've been bested. Thoroughly beaten, face downsmashed into the dirt. To me, out of all of the characters in the game, yes Mewtwo and Lucario seemed the most similar. To the smarter people on the boards he didn't. To me at the time, pokefans seemed to be in awe of Lucario who got his own movie like Mewtwo who people also once respected as a top dog. Others didn't. I put out willing to agree to disagree, but clearly i've brought up something that irritates people to the point that it must be smashed into the ground.

On the roster prediction and discussion thread. A place where i'm not allowed to talk about the roster, but everyone can go free willy about mega evolutions... and Diskun.



And you know damn well you just described attitude/personality.

No problem. It was actually a lot of fun. It is just one of those things that is now universally accepted. An attempt to challenge it would be similar to challenging the notion that the world is not flat, it is indeed round. Almost impossible because of the sheer amount of people that believe in one perspective over the other. I most certainly do not believe that you are not intelligent for having a different opinion. You mentioned that you were quite passive about the entire premise. I am not really sure why people addressed it in such a condescending way. I remember on my old forum, if someone made a mistake about Mortal Kombat, I would not simply berate them and claim that the common interpretation on the forum was objective fact. I would most certainly rationally explain it in a calm and polite manner.

It is funny. I was friends with almost everyone on TYM. Here, I am only friends with a few people. It is much more confrontational. In general, people are not open to new ideas. I honestly think that the essence argument is a decent one. As you mentioned, he described personality. It is almost impossible to debate somebody who doesn't know what they are talking about. You have a good day, Jigglypuff.

 

[Johnknight1]

I just hope Diddy Kong gets nerfed to ONE bannana out at once.
Bannana locking was just... STUPID. Or at least make them disappear after ONE slip, like in Mario Kart.

Honestly, I think a 2 banana system is a fine system. I just think it needs better balancing.

For starters, the tripping animation frame rate needs to be cut down.

After that, I think we need a more Melee-esk shield that isn't as prone to poking, so that such moves won't be as overpowered.

That all was fixed up in Project M, and honestly, the two bananas system worked perfectly in that Brawl mod, and made the banana system feel really refreshed.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Apart from Meta Knight and chaingrabbing, what types of nerfs are you all hoping to see?

Snake u-tilt, it's pretty much the new Fox u-smash.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Honestly, I think a 2 banana system is a fine system. I just think it needs better balancing.

For starters, the tripping animation frame rate needs to be cut down.

After that, I think we need a more Melee-esk shield that isn't as prone to poking, so that such moves won't be as overpowered.

That all was fixed up in Project M, and honestly, the two bananas system worked perfectly in that Brawl mod, and made the banana system feel really refreshed.

Diddy Kong being confirmed easily confirms the Banana Peel returning as an item.

 

[Chandeelure]

Yeah, that would definitely make him less annoying.

Apart from Meta Knight and chaingrabbing, what types of nerfs are you all hoping to see?

I think Mr.G&W's down smash is ridiculous.

 

[Morbi]

Diddy Kong being confirmed easily confirms the Banana Peel returning as an item.

Why would that confirm the Banana Peel? I honestly think it would be cool if they made it exclusive to Diddy.

I don't really like the two banana system. It is fine though. Just annoying.

 

[Johnknight1]

Why would that confirm the Banana Peel? I honestly think it would be cool if they made it exclusive to Diddy.

I don't really like the two banana system. It is fine though. Just annoying.

It's a lot more balanced in Project M where you can reflect the bananas.

Oh, and you can catch the bananas in the air by air dodging and pressing A right as it would hit you if you didn't air dodge.

 

[Bajef8]

Yeah, that would definitely make him less annoying.

Apart from Meta Knight and chaingrabbing, what types of nerfs are you all hoping to see?

Nerfs? I wanna see some major buffs. Give Cpt Falcon an overall buff, especially his knee of justice. Also I want Peach's amazing D-Smash back.

 

[Morbi]

Nerfs? I wanna see some major buffs. Give Cpt Falcon an overall buff, especially his knee of justice. Also I want Peach's amazing D-Smash back.

I think you are forgetting about our puffy pink friend. You know... the one that went from Top to Bottom?

 

[shinhed-echi]

Honestly, I think a 2 banana system is a fine system. I just think it needs better balancing.

For starters, the tripping animation frame rate needs to be cut down.

After that, I think we need a more Melee-esk shield that isn't as prone to poking, so that such moves won't be as overpowered.

That all was fixed up in Project M, and honestly, the two bananas system worked perfectly in that Brawl mod, and made the banana system feel really refreshed.

I got so burned with the tripping system and the nanners that if it were up to me, I'd remove them entirely. >_< Tripping is the worst kind of legacy given to the future of Smash Bros.

*breathes deeply*

That said... if they rework the mechanics you mentioned, it'll be the greater good for the rest of the cast entirely.. But I still think they have to rework that move. No item spawned by a character should stay too long on the stage. ROB's gyro included (saying this as a ROB main)

Another thing I want gone is Snake's "Grenade Forcefield". This, I sadly don't see getting fixed. Unless the Grenade is automatically thrown instead of held.

 

[Johnknight1]

Nerf: The ability to run away, camp, and stall to win. Also, vertical DI (horizontal DI being Smash 64-esk is okay IMO), planking, and shuttle looping under a stage to stall.

Buff: Offense, the shields (less easy to poke, reflect attacks), tether grabs (less vulnerability time after you miss), tether recovery (Melee system >>> A piece pile of turds >>> Brawl system), combos, oh, and bring back spikes and meteor spikes (which is actually kinda confirmed in the Mega Man trailer where DK spikes Mega Man), and thus by extension more gimps, thus making the game sexier, more engaging, funner to play, and, oh yeah, more hype.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Nerfs? I wanna see some major buffs. Give Cpt Falcon an overall buff, especially his knee of justice. Also I want Peach's amazing D-Smash back.

Yes! The knee please! Whenever I go from Project M Falcon to regular Brawl Falcon it feels like someone cut my balls off in the process.

 

[Knight Dude]

Knee of Justice needs to do 999% when you hit the sweet spot.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

I would be cautious speculating overwhelmingly on Mewtwo being revealed, because there's always the chance he's being held off to save hype for later. Granted, pretty much everyone would prefer it to be him, but that doesn't dictate who gets shown.

I would be fine with Lucario or PT take that spot and save Mewtwo closer to the game's release.

Anyone think Sakurai could throw a curveball and give us a non-Pokemon character instead?