Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Morbi]

A source for what, Sakurai speaking positively of Snake?

Yes. Thank you.

Edit- ... Really? That is "speaking positively" about Snake. Never mind. My opinion is not swayed.

 

[ChronoBound]

I still think Snake is the one character most in danger of being cut.

After that its pretty much Ike (he is more in danger than Lucario since there actually exists a character out there that could plausibly take his moveset), Lucario (time constraints), Lucas (time constraints), one of Falco or Wolf (time constraints), Pokemon Trainer (possibly Sakurai thinking too much work for a slot that represents a much older generation of Pokemon), Sheik (possibly replaced by Impa), and Ice Climbers (due to technical difficulties on the 3DS).

 

[Cheesedork]

Why does everyone think Wolf would get cut before Falco?

 

[N3ON]

Yes. Thank you.

Edit- ... Really? That is "speaking positively" about Snake. Never mind. My opinion is not swayed.

I quoted what he said below the link, what were you expecting? "Snake was a great addition and he'll be in all future games!"?

 

[Morbi]

Why does everyone think Wolf would get cut before Falco?

Falco is a two time vet. People here favor seniority. I personally don't think either one will get cut. I also doubt that one has priority over the other. They are two completely different characters. I just don't think Star Fox will get a new rep.

 

[ChronoBound]

Why does everyone think Wolf would get cut before Falco?

Its due to less seniority. Kind of like what happened with Mewtwo and Jigglypuff. However, its possible that Wolf ends up a higher priority due to being a more unique fighter, while Falco is low priority.

 

[Chandeelure]

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Happy 15th Anniversary Pokemon Red and Blue!
Pokemon trainer confirmed.

 

[Morbi]

I quoted what he said below the link, what were you expecting? "Snake was a great addition and he'll be in all future games!"?

No. Your argument is fine. The article doesn't really support it though. I was looking for an article like the one where they alluded to Sonic's inclusion. More specifically I was looking for evidence to support that Snake is relevant to Smash by way of Sakurai noting his popularity. Addressing a question with a standard response isn't really cutting it for me. If an interviewer asked me about 3rd party characters, I might note that they worked for Brawl too. Especially if my follow up is... but we need to narrow it down. If anything, I view that article as an anti-Snake article. That is just the way I interpret it. Clearly we do not perceive things the same.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Its due to less seniority. Kind of like what happened with Mewtwo and Jigglypuff. However, its possible that Wolf ends up a higher priority due to being a more unique fighter, while Falco is low priority.

On the other hand, Mewtwo was more unique than Jigglypuff, and look what still happened. That said, could go either way between Wolf and Falco if one were to get cut. I'm not as worried about it now though, with how the last two veterans revealed were ones people were questioning (if not doubting) about coming back.

 

[IsmaR]

If Big Boss is in instead of Snake.. Does that mean no more of this?

We'd be trading it for this.

 

[Morbi]

On the other hand, Mewtwo was more unique than Jigglypuff, and look what still happened. That said, could go either way between Wolf and Falco if one were to get cut. I'm not as worried about it now though, with how the last two veterans revealed were ones people were questionable about coming back.

Jigglypuff was way easier to develop. As I understand it, Sakurai already began working on Mewtwo, he just didn't have time. I doubt the "unique factor" has too much to do with character selection at during the final cycle of development.

 

[Cheesedork]

Falco is a two time vet. People here favor seniority. I personally don't think either one will get cut. I also doubt that one has priority over the other. They are two completely different characters. I just don't think Star Fox will get a new rep.

Its due to less seniority. Kind of like what happened with Mewtwo and Jigglypuff. However, its possible that Wolf ends up a higher priority due to being a more unique fighter, while Falco is low priority.

I suppose that makes a bit of sense.
Falco to me always seemed like one of those characters that shouldn't have been in Smash in the first place, as far character goes (alongside Jigglypuff, Roy, Doc, Pichu, Y/T Link, G&W, and Snake (just my opinions)).
It's actually kinda funny how much representation Star Fox gets in Smash Bros, considering that there's really only one Star Fox game that most people like.

 

[ChronoBound]

On the other hand, Mewtwo was more unique than Jigglypuff, and look what still happened.

I would say that they are equally unique. Jigglypuff is only similar to Kirby in body shape.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Jigglypuff was way easier to develop. As I understand it, Sakurai already began working on Mewtwo, he just didn't have time. I doubt the "unique factor" has too much to do with character selection at during the final cycle of development.

Yeah, it didn't. That's why I was kinda saying having more uniqueness won't really be something in Wolf's favor if it were to come down between him and Falco getting cut.

 

[ChronoBound]

I also say if Sakurai has time to spare in terms of character development, we may get Dr. Mario back, and maybe just maybe Pichu.

It may just (and that is a pretty big if) that the only Smash veteran that does not return for Smash 4 is Young Link. However, this is an unlikely scenario, but still plausible.

 

[Morbi]

I would say that they are equally unique. Jigglypuff is only similar to Kirby in body shape.

The jumping mechanic is also very similar. I hate it when people compare Jigglypuff to that overrated ball of lard.

 

[Zhadgon]

Researching about Snake and his future I stumble with a really interesting article and said the follow:

"Of course, one thing I have to do is, I have the last look at everything. I have graphic supervision over all the assets, so I’m the one who, when everyone’s done, they pass it over and I look at it. Let’s be truthful: Snake and Mario on the same screen is gonna be odd – but what we have to look at is textures and environments and how they fit in the world, their colours, their size ratios, how they move and how they jump, and all these sorts of things and really make sure, to the best of our abilities, as you said, they look comfortable together."

So I think for moment Sakurai is thinking in how Snake and Mario will look together for the new entry, correct me if I´m wrong but at least is what I understand.

Here is the link for the article: http://www.nowgamer.com/features/2034386/super_smash_bros_sakurai_speaks.html
.n_n.

 

[Chandeelure]

I also say if Sakurai has time to spare in terms of character development, we may get Dr. Mario back, and maybe just maybe Pichu.

It may just (and that is a pretty big if) that the only Smash veteran that does not return for Smash 4 is Young Link. However, this is an unlikely scenario, but still plausible.

3 Links? no ,thanks XD
Pichu FTW!

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I also say if Sakurai has time to spare in terms of character development, we may get Dr. Mario back, and maybe just maybe Pichu.

It may just (and that is a pretty big if) that the only Smash veteran that does not return for Smash 4 is Young Link. However, this is an unlikely scenario, but still plausible.

If we got Ridley, K.Rool and a couple of other good newcomers on top of that, SSB4 would truly have an amazing roster!

 

[Ridley_Prime]

I would say that they are equally unique. Jigglypuff is only similar to Kirby in body shape.

They have some similar regular moves too, at least more than say Mewtwo and Lucario do, which people often compare even though the only thing that's similar is the aura sphere and shadow ball.

As a whole package though, Mewtwo just came off as more unique. I mean even the way Mewtwo "holds" items telekinetically is more unique than the way Jiggs does. etc, etc.

The jumping mechanic is also very similar. I hate it when people compare Jigglypuff to that overrated ball of lard.

Oh yeah, the jumping mechanic too. Anyway, that's how I feel about the Mewtwo and Lucario comparisons in that both being in would be "too similar".

In short though, seniority > uniqueness when it comes to Sakurai deciding which characters to keep.

 

[ChronoBound]

If we got Ridley, K.Rool and a couple of other good newcomers on top of that, SSB4 would truly have an amazing roster!

Yeah. It truly would.

I would venture to say that if Sakurai did not have his hands full with also doing the 3DS version, Dr. Mario and Pichu would have good odds of coming back

 

[Arcanir]

Leomon.

After 3 seconds you automatically get KO'd.

Oh yeah, the jumping mechanic too. Anyway, that's how I feel about the Mewtwo and Lucario comparisons in that both being in would be "too similar".

Aye, that's probably a byproduct of the whole "Lucario replaced Mewtwo" thing. It's not fair to either character since both are quite unique.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Yeah. It truly would.

I would venture to say that if Sakurai did not have his hands full with also doing the 3DS version, Dr. Mario and Pichu would have good odds of coming back

I wouldn't say that with Pichu.

Doc, sure. But Sakurai had no intention to bring Pichu back. That says a lot to me.

 

[ChronoBound]

I wouldn't say that with Pichu.

Doc, sure. But Sakurai had no intention to bring Pichu back. That says a lot to me.

I think Plusle & Minun (if that is what pra_mai) was Sakurai's way of trying to bring Pichu back, kind of like how Toon Link was the update to Young Link.

However, other than that I would agree. Pichu was the least popular fighter in Melee.

Next week is going to be interesting for sure.

 

[Morbi]

Researching about Snake and his future I stumble with a really interesting article and said the follow:

"Of course, one thing I have to do is, I have the last look at everything. I have graphic supervision over all the assets, so I’m the one who, when everyone’s done, they pass it over and I look at it. Let’s be truthful: Snake and Mario on the same screen is gonna be odd – but what we have to look at is textures and environments and how they fit in the world, their colours, their size ratios, how they move and how they jump, and all these sorts of things and really make sure, to the best of our abilities, as you said, they look comfortable together."

So I think for moment Sakurai is thinking in how Snake and Mario will look together for the new entry, correct me if I´m wrong but at least is what I understand.

Here is the link for the article: http://www.nowgamer.com/features/2034386/super_smash_bros_sakurai_speaks.html
.n_n.

Yes. This is what I was looking for. I don't really think it points one way or another. Especially because we don't know the circumstances under which it was written. It is something though. It gives me more faith that Snake will return. I am still a little worried though.

 

[Zhadgon]

Yes. This is what I was looking for. I don't really think it points one way or another. Especially because we don't know the circumstances under which it was written. It is something though. It gives me more faith that Snake will return. I am still a little worried though.

I think the magazine where it gets this article can be bought, sadly I don´t leave in the US, so if someone can tell me and read the full article as to what it says, it would appreciated.
.n_n.

 

[Shorts]

You mean the same "leak" that got 3 characters predicted wrong and we still haven't seen confirmation on? I think he's quite within the realms to doubt it.

Also, again, Sylveon had a lot more indication that it was a new type.

lololol. If you think anyone could have predicted WTF, Megaman, and AC, you're honestly in denial.

Honestly.

But you'll see that eventually.

Don't know, people believing some random user on NeoGAF taking a crapshot guess as some sort of legitimate leaker sounds off.

Someone actually went to a website and told them about the leak, but they just never posted it because they didn't believe it. After the first three characters were revealed, they released that someone had predicted them, and wanted us to be on the look out for the other three.

We've yet to get them, but we've also yet to have some of the Pokebeach rumors comfirmed, and that games is a week and a half away from release.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I think Plusle & Minun (if that is what pra_mai) was Sakurai's way of trying to bring Pichu back, kind of like how Toon Link was the update to Young Link.

However, other than that I would agree. Pichu was the least popular fighter in Melee.

Next week is going to be interesting for sure.

Fo shizzle! I hope Pokemon Trainer is the one revealed.

Shame about Pichu though. I always liked the little guy.

 

[Johnknight1]

Just, consider it for a moment. Look at Sonic's page "Want to know more about Sonic the Hedgehog? Visit the official site for Sonic Lost World!" Or something to that effect.

What's going to happen when Snake is revealed? "Want to know more about Snake? Visit the official site for Phantom Pain, available on XBox One and PS4!"

I could raise the same question for just about half of the Brawl roster. 2 of the 3 returning Zelda characters probably won't be link to a new game (maybe an anniversary of some sort). Oh, and Zero Suit Samus. The same goes with 1 of the Kirby characters. How about both Falco and Wolf? Or a lots of Pokémon after X & Y is released? Or Ness and Lucas? Captain Falcon? The Ice Climbers? Marth? Roy? Ike? Mr. Game & Watch? Wario?

Besides, linking a game to a promotion isn't necessary. The reveal would be a promotion in and of itself anyways.

Seriously, Sakurai does get his share of decision, but evidence points to the fact that Nintendo has been riding the Smash wave of free promotion and publicity, and I don't see why they'd promote a character from a game that is currently actively dodging Nintendo.

Sakurai can literally do whatever the hell he wants with Smash. He has his own hand picked studio, he probably chose his pay, and, oh yeah, the series would probably see a huge drop off in sales without him.

Yeah, I'd say Sakurai has Nintendo's balls in a cup. Besides, why would Nintendo fight over something so minusculeas Snake in Smash Wii U and 3DS when Brawl literally had tons of content promoting MGS IV, which was never on a Nintendo console=???

Especially now that the Wii U could easily get SEGA Saturn'd into not even being a factor this generation. Turning away 3rd parties now for Nintendo would be like a person pulling the plug keeping them alive in order to keep themselves alive: it makes no sense whatsoever.

That much is clear as day when you take the fanboyism goggles off.

 

[ChronoBound]

After the possible Pokemon unveil next week, I would say the next possibility for a character confirmation could be during the last week of October, which is when Wii Party U gets released.

 

[Morbi]

lololol. If you think anyone could have predicted WTF, Megaman, and AC, you're honestly in denial.

Honestly.

But you'll see that eventually.

I feel the same way. Predicting a character that Sakurai previously de-confirmed. Along with one of the BIGGEST wtf moments in gaming? Megaman seems obvious; however, one wouldn't know whether or not Sora Ltd. could acquire licensing. So it would be a bad prediction. Lets not even mention that Little Mac and Pac-Man are VERY logical choices. Miis could happen. I am disappoined, but that doesn't attenuate the legitimacy of the leak.

 

[Arcanir]

lololol. If you think anyone could have predicted WTF, Megaman, and AC, you're honestly in denial.

Honestly.

But you'll see that eventually.

The only one that's remotely unlikely for one to predict is WFT, the other two had support and it's not out of the realm of possibility. The fact is, he still did miss three characters for the E3 announcement, four if you count the misname of Villager. So yes, there is reason for doubt and denying people even that shows how arrogant you're being.

 

[Johnknight1]

Sakurai deconfirming the Villager for Brawl was the most overblown thing ever. What wasn't overblown was how we all thought the Miis would "take the Villager's spot."

lololol. If you think anyone could have predicted WTF, Megaman, and AC, you're honestly in denial.

Honestly.

But you'll see that eventually.

The only way this isn't real is if they lied or trolled us in regards to Little Mac, Miis, and Pac-Man, or his sources did that, which is somewhat possible.

As it stands, with Wuhu Island and Pilotwings sharing a stage (PlayStation All-Stars stuff right there, lol!) and the Super Punch-Out!!! boxing ring being a stage, those 2 are definitely being hinted at.

 

[Zhadgon]

By the way another interview, but this time with Sakurai and Iwata, Iwata is asking to Sakurai about Sonic and Snake (is about Brawl but it seems Sakurai is fond of both characters and how working with them put a new fresh air to the series).

Sakurai​

I’m glad everyone felt they could trust me. For my part, I have no regrets about incorporating Snake and Sonic into the game and I think their inclusion was well worthwhile. ​

Iwata​

Now that you’ve put them in the game, can you tell me what they’re like?​

Sakurai​

Hmm, what should I say? I think they’re solid characters with a lot of potential. ​

Iwata​

Because they’re non-Nintendo characters?​

Sakurai​

Right. They’ve certainly have a distinct feel to them. It’s not that I was consciously trying to design Nintendo and non-Nintendo characters, but ultimately, I feel they’re molded differently than the other characters as far as the laws of Smash Bros. are concerned.​

Iwata​

I was impressed with the end results. They blend in as if they’ve always been there yet also possess a fresh, new aura.​

Sakurai​

Thank you. I think that once you play these characters and learn their moves, you’ll realize how they differ from other characters. Ultimately, they account for characteristics that can’t be obtained simply by increasing the number of Nintendo characters. I was even able to go all-out with their showy performances. ​

Iwata​

What kind of characteristics do you mean? The way they jump for example? After all, Mario’s jump, Samus’ jump, Sonic’s jump…they’re all different, aren’t they? ​

Sakurai​

That’s true. ​

Iwata​

You may not be readily aware of it, but the differences become clear when you take a closer look at the characters. The fact that Smash Bros. is able to put these differences onscreen without drawing attention is not only mystifying, but also one of its unique features.​

​

The complete article is here:​

http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/wii/ssbb/6/1​

​

.n_n.​

 

[Shorts]

The only one that's remotely unlikely for one to predict is WFT, the other two had support and it's not out of the realm of possibility. So yes, there is reason for doubt and denying people even that shows how arrogant you're being.

If you predicted villager, you're a fool.

PS, you can suck a ****.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

You know.

I've never actually been against Mii.

I'm not sure I'll like the boards reactions if they are revealed.

 

[N3ON]

Villager would've been a popular and common pick if not for Sakurai's statements. I bet a lot of people unaware of what he said thought the Villager had a pretty decent chance. And they were right.

But yeah, for people with knowledge of Sakurai's statement, it made sense not to expect the Villager.

 

[Morbi]

The only one that's remotely unlikely for one to predict is WFT, the other two had support and it's not out of the realm of possibility. So yes, there is reason for doubt and denying people even that shows how arrogant you're being.

Collectively. They are almost impossible to predict collectively. Anybody can randomly predict Wii Fit Trainer (lol nope) or Villager. It is a special leak because it got 3 out of the blue predictions correct. Could it be luck? Of course. Do I think it is luck? I don't believe in coincidence.

 

[Arcanir]

If you predicted villager, you're a fool.

PS, you can suck a ****.

My my, aren't you a pleasant one....

I guess considering different possibilities makes you an idiot.

Collectively. They are almost impossible to predict collectively. Anybody can randomly predict Wii Fit Trainer (lol nope) or Villager. It is a special leak because it got 3 out of the blue predictions correct. Could it be luck? Of course. Do I think it is luck? I don't believe in coincidence.

That's not my issue, I concede there's a point to be made that it's a leak but there's also counterpoints for the opposite. I'm just saying there's no reason to act like it's a certainty and treat those who believe there's reason for doubt like crap.

 

[Johnknight1]

If you predicted villager, you're a fool.

PS, you can suck a ****.

Few people predicted the Villager over the Miis, and most of us saw them as "in a competition" assuming either of them made it at all.

Hindsight... it was kind of a stupid debate. But hey! At least it made sense, unlike the stupid Fire Emblem discussions.

I also agree. Snake wouldn't really feel right if Phantom Pain wasn't on the Wii U. I don't really care about Konami and Nintendo's relationship. I think it has more to do with the fact that Snake got in as a friendly request. Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Snake supposed to be in Melee. He wasn't, so he was put in Brawl? If that is truly the case, Sakurai probably felt a moral obligation to put Snake in the game. I don't think he still has an obligation. So that might be enough to say that Snake is not going to return.

Well if you cut Snake, it would take about 3 times as much time, money, effort, and (way more than that) brainstorming to "replace him" with an equal newcomer with new moves.

Oh, and if you do it for your reasoning, Nintendo's relationships with Konami sours, which is bad for them and their Wii U, which is having a dreadful box office.