Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Onyx Oblivian]

Ike vs. Lucario vs. Snake vs. Wolf. All level 9, 5 Stock, No items, Final Destination. Fight to the finish.

4th place will be cut in Smash Bros. 4...

Will post results when they are in... Brb

 

[MargnetMan23]

Ike vs. Lucario vs. Snake vs. Wolf. All level 9, 5 Stock, No items, Final Destination. Fight to the finish.

4th place will be cut in Smash Bros. 4...

Will post results when they are in... Brb

OK never mind guys, I think Ike has a good chance of getting cut XD

 

[Zhadgon]

That's not how that works. If the character's third party, you shouldn't develop the character before you get the OK because what do you do if you don't? You lose all that time and effort you put into making that character that could've been devoted to other resources. If he got the OK, then he can move up on the priority list, but until then the character would probably be at the bottom.

The fact of the matter is, Snake requires more effort to get then any other character in Brawl and that does work against it. It may not keep him out, but it doesn't mean he won't run the largest risk of getting cut due to those issues.

I didn´t say that Sakurai will start working on Snake before he get the go of Konami that would be ludicrous, I say Sakurai by now has Snake and is waiting for the reveal like he has Mega Man and Sonic already. Probably he is still working on some of the first party characters by now and compared now Mega Man to Snake, at least Snake has half o the work done because of Brawl. So much of the problems would be legal issues that probably Sakurai work first so he can get freedom to work with the character and not being a last minute addition like it was Sonic in Brawl.
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[Scoliosis Jones]

Somebody wanna give me the new Sonic icon? I need Olimar too.

 

[Gune]

Somebody wanna give me the new Sonic icon? I need Olimar too.

Don't get rid of Booker! Nooooooo....

 

[Onyx Oblivian]

That fight was intense! Results are in!! Wolf is the winner!

1. Wolf
2. Lucario
3. Ike

And 4th place who will be cut in Smash Bros. 4 is...

4.Snake

That's law now guys! My game is magical and predicts the fuuuuture.

 

[Shorts]

Show irrefutable proof or you can't claim such a thing.

The not-rumor-but-leak, was enough proof. Just because they all weren't shown off, doesn't mean they aren't included. It's as much proof as you're gonna get. But don't worry, Sylveon's definitely flying type.

 

[Arcanir]

I didn´t say that Sakurai will start working on Snake before he get the go of Konami that would be ludicrous, I say Sakurai by now has Snake and is waiting for the reveal like he has Mega Man and Sonic already. Probably he is still working on some of the first party characters by now and compared now Mega Man to Snake, at least Snake has half o the work done because of Brawl. So much of the problems would be legal issues that probably Sakurai work first so he can get freedom to work with the character and not being a last minute addition like it was Sonic in Brawl.
.n_n.

We have no clue on Snake's status though, that's all theory with no basis. For all we know, Lucas/Ike/Lucario/Wolf are all nearly complete and Snake is still waiting for the OK. Until we have any further indication on the status of these characters we can't assume that one is more further along then the other, especially without a good basis to work off of.

The not-rumor-but-leak, was enough proof. Just because they all weren't shown off, doesn't mean they aren't included. It's as much proof as you're gonna get. But don't worry, Sylveon's definitely flying type.

You mean the same "leak" that got 3 characters predicted wrong and we still haven't seen confirmation on? I think he's quite within the realms to doubt it.

Also, again, Sylveon had a lot more indication that it was a new type.

 

[Zhadgon]

We have no clue on Snake's status though, that's all theory with no basis. For all we know, Lucas/Ike/Lucario/Wolf are all nearly complete and Snake is still waiting for the OK. Until we have any further indication on the status of these characters we can't assume that one is more further along then the other, especially without a good basis to work off of.

And thats why we are speculating on who will get the axe. It can be anyone but my votes are for Lucas/Wolf/Lucario for now. Like your vote will be for Snake.
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[FlareHabanero]

You mean the same "leak" that got 3 characters predicted wrong and we still haven't seen confirmation on?

Possibly 4 depending on your take of "Animal Crossing Guy".

Don't know, people believing some random user on NeoGAF taking a crapshot guess as some sort of legitimate leaker sounds off.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Don't get rid of Booker! Nooooooo....

Lol no worries. I don't plan on getting rid of Booker.

I just meant for the roster maker. I want to try a different setup than usual and I want all the new icons.

EDIT: I also love how everybody knows me because of Booker DeWitt. Booker for Smash!

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

My primary concerns are Lucario and Wolf, as the former has a mega evolution, and the latter is a rival to Fox McCloud. Ike and Solid Snake can stand down for my tastes, as I'm not really interested with either of them.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Jigglypuff jokes are...

becoming a little inflated...

Spoiler

 

[κomıc]

That fight was intense! Results are in!! Wolf is the winner!

1. Wolf
2. Lucario
3. Ike

And 4th place who will be cut in Smash Bros. 4 is...

4.Snake

That's law now guys! My game is magical and predicts the fuuuuture.View attachment 2897

 

[Zhadgon]

I know you have a big smile in your face right now and this confirms that I was wrong, no resentments
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[κomıc]

Nah, I just thought it was funny as hell. Jigglypuff should have won.

 

[Glaciacott]

I really hope Wolf stays, he actually fits in nicely and makes sense. Aside from the landmaster.
Lucario pushes it a bit, but given he's still so huge in Pokemon, it'd make sense if he stays.
Ike feels like he's there now due to people not wanting him to go.

Snake pushes it even more by having his current games explicitly avoid Nintendo. Sorry guys, but just on principle alone Snake needs to go.

 

[Johnknight1]

Wow, this thread is still... well... this thread.

Snake pushes it even more by having his current games explicitly avoid Nintendo. Sorry guys, but just on principle alone Snake needs to go.

What, that Nintendo wants to die alone with other companies that are struggling to stay afloat and/or relevant=???

Or that Nintendo wants to continue to scare away all the good 3rd party IP's, franchises, and companies=???

Besides, what does that have to do with Sakurai and Namco Bandai. They don't give two craps about Nintendo politics, as none of them really work for Nintendo, including Sakurai, who basically has a game-to-game contract with Nintendo.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I really hope Wolf stays, he actually fits in nicely and makes sense. Aside from the landmaster.
Lucario pushes it a bit, but given he's still so huge in Pokemon, it'd make sense if he stays.
Ike feels like he's there now due to people not wanting him to go.

Snake pushes it even more by having his current games explicitly avoid Nintendo. Sorry guys, but just on principle alone Snake needs to go.

Meh. I really don't see why his games not being on Nintendo platforms means he should be booted. Nintendo gave Sakurai the okay to do it the first time. I don't really see why they wouldn't let him do it again. Especially after how well Snake and Sonic were received for Brawl.

I still don't think he's leaving. Actually, I wouldn't put it past them to make him Big Boss this time instead of just Snake.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Who I think may get the axe: Lucario, Wolf, and Snake

 

[Glaciacott]

Just, consider it for a moment. Look at Sonic's page "Want to know more about Sonic the Hedgehog? Visit the official site for Sonic Lost World!" Or something to that effect.

What's going to happen when Snake is revealed? "Want to know more about Snake? Visit the official site for Phantom Pain, available on XBox One and PS4!"

Seriously, Sakurai does get his share of decision, but evidence points to the fact that Nintendo has been riding the Smash wave of free promotion and publicity, and I don't see why they'd promote a character from a game that is currently actively dodging Nintendo.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

THIS! All of this! Because SOULS! YOU NEED MORE SOULS!



That green text doesn't fit your avatar friend.

Nightmare would demolish and consume all of the Smash universe. I think a 3rd party villain would be a great and wise decision. Nightmare fits that bill.

 

[Reznor]

Nightmare would demolish and consume all of the Smash universe. I think a 3rd party villain would be a great and wise decision. Nightmare fits that bill.

Kirby would devour his soul and become the new wielder on the Soul Edge (or just ignore the sword and eat some cake)

 

[AEMehr]

They weren't Arcade only at the time. Pikachu & Ness however were SNES & GB only at the time.

Okay so, Pikachu was a Game Boy rep once and literally has nothing to do with it's original Game Boy appearance these days or in Smash, in fact it's design has been slightly changed as well.
So the Game Boy is obviously well represented.
But Mario and Donkey Kong don't help rep the Arcade because they had games on other systems during the existence of Smash games, despite them doing things inspired or actually done by them in the arcade games.
Obviously, the arcade is being very neglected.

That's probably the dumbest argument I've heard you say in a while. "Gameboy and the SNES were represented in one game! So there is no need for any retro characters from those systems even those characters no long represent the system!" while you go ahead and say, "The Arcade needs a character! The existing ones aren't arcade only and therefor aren't arcade characters!"

Come on, you can't be serious.
I also edited my post after you quoted my post because you didn't respond by that time, so here it is again.

EDIT: The arcade has been referenced in each game through the Hammer, so that's another thing. I mean you can represent things through stages, items, music, trophies, and even stickers. Sure you're saying that the arcade needs representation, but's had a fair share of it through the years by other means. It doesn't need a character when the memorable ones are already playable (and with Pac-Man possibly making it in, that just helps represent it more right?).

So that's something to consider too. Representation isn't limited to just the characters, but to all content in Smash. I'm sure you're aware of this, but you gotta keep that in mind too.
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In Unrelated news, Mighty No. 9 funding is done, we actually reached $4 Million to get Online Battle Race Mode, HURRAY!

Call F made it the next round~
Can't say I'm surprised though. But I do have to admit that I do kinda like Call H a bit (My second choice was A).
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Snake or Layton?

Snake.
Going to be hard pressed to find a 3rd Party choice that I would want Snake bumped out for.

Agumon or Leomon.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

The day they announce Snake would be the day Phantom Pain gets a Wii U version announced

 

[SuperBrawler]

Wel guys, random question.

Who are the best lords?

(Not in FE lol.)

 

[Morbi]

Kirby would devour his soul and become the new wielder on the Soul Edge (or just ignore the sword and eat some cake)

Jigglypuff would then devour Kirby's soul and masticate the Soul Edge.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Jigglypuff would then devour Kirby's soul and masticate the Soul Edge.

What.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

The day they announce Snake would be the day Phantom Pain gets a Wii U version announced

What.

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[DragonSniperNintendo]

What.

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Meaning it won't happen, we should have more Nintendo oriented 3rd parties.

Like Simon/Trevor Belmont, Lloyd Irving, Pac-Man, Cress Albane, Rayman, Travis Touchdown, etc.

If Metal Gear starts getting pushed more on Nintendo consoles then I think he should stay.

 

[Seraphim.]

I think Lloyd would fit well in a Smash game, anyone who has played a Tales game before could see why.

 

[Morbi]

What.

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Phantom Pain is Metal Gear Solid 5. Just so you know. I can't wait for that game.

 

[N3ON]

Meaning it won't happen, we should have more Nintendo oriented 3rd parties.

Like Simon/Trevor Belmont, Lloyd Irving, Pac-Man, Cress Albane, Rayman, Travis Touchdown, etc.

If Metal Gear starts getting pushed more on Nintendo consoles then I think he should stay.

If MGS not being common on Nintendo systems was a problem, Snake wouldn't have gotten in in the first place. Post Melee there was one MGS game on a Nintendo system, post Brawl there was also one. I agree it'd be nice to get a character tied more closely with Nintendo, but Snake's absence on Nintendo systems isn't going to keep him out.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

It just feels weird when the series is hardly there, when in reality it should be.

 

[Morbi]

It just feels weird when the series is hardly there, when in reality it should be.

I also agree. Snake wouldn't really feel right if Phantom Pain wasn't on the Wii U. I don't really care about Konami and Nintendo's relationship. I think it has more to do with the fact that Snake got in as a friendly request. Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Snake supposed to be in Melee. He wasn't, so he was put in Brawl? If that is truly the case, Sakurai probably felt a moral obligation to put Snake in the game. I don't think he still has an obligation. So that might be enough to say that Snake is not going to return.

 

[N3ON]

I also agree. Snake wouldn't really feel right if Phantom Pain wasn't on the Wii U. I don't really care about Konami and Nintendo's relationship. I think it has more to do with the fact that Snake got in as a friendly request. Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Snake supposed to be in Melee. He wasn't, so he was put in Brawl? If that is truly the case, Sakurai probably felt a moral obligation to put Snake in the game. I don't think he still has an obligation. So that might be enough to say that Snake is not going to return.

It's not like Sakurai had to accept Kojima's request. He obviously thought Snake was a good enough addition to pursue and to return to with the next Smash. He could've just dismissed him when Kojima asked during Melee's development. Since Snake was received positively, Kojima and Sakurai are still friends, and Sakurai even recently spoke positively of Snake's inclusion (unlike others, he think Snake fits fine in Smash), why wouldn't he return for this game? It's not like his Nintendo appearances have decreased.

An obligation is something that must be done, Sakurai was never obligated to include Snake, he chose to and he didn't regret his decision. Why would this time be any different?

 

[Morbi]

It's not like Sakurai had to accept Kojima's request. He obviously thought Snake was a good enough addition to pursue and to return to with the next Smash. He could've just dismissed him when Kojima asked during Melee's development. Since Snake was received positively, Kojima and Sakurai are still friends, and Sakurai even recently spoke positively of Snake's inclusion (unlike others, he think Snake fits fine in Smash), why wouldn't he return for this game? It's not like his Nintendo appearances have decreased.

An obligation is something that must be done, Sakurai was never obligated to include Snake, he chose to and he didn't regret his decision. Why would this time be any different?

I will most definitely need a link or source for that information. If that is indeed the case, why are we even discussing this? No one has EVER brought up such a pertinent article.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

Just, consider it for a moment. Look at Sonic's page "Want to know more about Sonic the Hedgehog? Visit the official site for Sonic Lost World!" Or something to that effect.

What's going to happen when Snake is revealed? "Want to know more about Snake? Visit the official site for Phantom Pain, available on XBox One and PS4!"

Seriously, Sakurai does get his share of decision, but evidence points to the fact that Nintendo has been riding the Smash wave of free promotion and publicity, and I don't see why they'd promote a character from a game that is currently actively dodging Nintendo.

Since megaman has one of his games linked to the sites page...oh wait

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Geez guys snake discrimination is at an all time high i see. He didnt need close ties to get in before he probably wouldnt this time, and as much as people push it aside MGS3D came out last year, its not like its been a decade since nintendo has seen a metal gear title in any form. But either way it would be ridiculous to think that only new upcoming games and artificial ties to nintendo would keep any third party character out. He could very well be gone, but the thing is i doubt sakurai would just toss him aside in the manner some here seem to think he would.

 

[N3ON]

I will most definitely need a link or source for that information. If that is indeed the case, why are we even discussing this? No one has EVER brought up such a pertinent article.

A source for what, Sakurai speaking positively of Snake?

I think Snake and Sonic joining were fantastic. It made many fans happy, and it broadened the Smash Bros arena.

 

[κomıc]

If Big Boss is in instead of Snake.. Does that mean no more of this?