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If the Shantae kickstarter started on the day Mighty No. 9 funding was done.
Who cares, people would still flock to Mighty Number Nine and brush Shantae off mainly because of their hatred for a certain company, and even now, the company that's trying to bring you Mighty Number 9 has practically milked the fans dry because they know they'll pay for it. They could have easily done everything with the amount of money they made in the FIRST DAY of the kickstarter, the rest of it was just excess to see how far fans were willing to go. It practically turned into feeding off the masses and becoming and even bigger blood-sucker than the company said fans had hatred for.
 

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Now he is about 100% confirmed. With Sonic... why not Tails? Sega and Nintendo are great friends now, so why wouldn't Sakurai throw in Tails?
Duh, the Sonic franchise in Smash has to have at least 4 slots with Sonic, Knuckles, Tails, and Shadow... duh!

I mean, we have Sonic as a new franchise. No, he's not a guest, guys, he's totally the start of a huge franchise in Smash.
 

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You're really missing the point.

1. Sonic and Snake are not on the same caliber, so you're totally wrong on that.

2. Please source where Sakurai said he's not afraid of licensing Snake. There's nothing to be afraid about. But please, because you apparently have the man on speed dial. Are you also aware that Sakurai is filled with hot air? As much as I like him, he's inconsistent with what he says. Last year, he said he's using and pretty much porting over Brawl's assets as a starting point for developing Smash 4. Earlier this year, he turned around and said "It's hard to bring back characters because we have to work on them from scratch" when looking at the game now, characters have the same structure and idle animations. I'm not disputing Snake not being an icon, hun. Again, you're totally missing my point and are avoiding it like the swine flu. Please, do yourself a favor, reread the points I've made as to why Snake is unlikely to return. Please. Because I'm tired of repeating myself and sounding like a broken record. I've backed up my points fairly well especially when I point to sources and instances outside of the Smash Bros series. You choose to revoke them and be negligent. Brawl was not hyped because Snake was in it. It was hyped for being the first online Smash Bros. and of course, being the NEXT Smash Bros. Smash 4 is ALREADY hyped without Snake. You keep flip flopping around like a Magikarp. Be consistent with what you say. You said Snake is returning because Sakurai doesn't want a good moveset to go waste. Then you came up with another reason. Now you're saying it's important for Nintendo to use a character (that seldom shows up on Nintendo consoles, please keep this in mind) to hype up their game? Silly.

3. I never said Andy should have the same moveset as Snake. I brought the Advance Wars series up because what it has in common with MGS is that they're based on a military setting. Sorry for your misunderstanding.

No, I'm not telling you when Ice Climbers or other characters that are defunct show up on the website there will be a cross promotion. Again, you're missing the point. Currently, the Smash Bros website is being used to cross promote several games. Peach is the only one who has not been given a link to another game's website of the recently revealed veterans.

I will give you this. The only scenarios in which Snake could potentially be revealed are:

A. Nintendo announces a partnership with Konami to publish and distribute MGSV on Wii U
B. Konami announces a collection of MGS games on Wii U
C. An original MGS title for 3DS

Snake is in a very special situation versus G&W and Ice Climbers. You cannot compare Snake with the statuses of 1st party characters just to make your point and try desperately to prove me wrong. Right now, it looks like you're reaching. A little too much.

1. As a characters of Smash, both of them are the same caliber, they bring equals parts to the game.

2. Obviously Sakurai is not afraid, but you are telling me that it will be the impossible work to bring back Snake, when Sakurai has bring two third parties already to the party, so no, is not impossible. What does commenting on what Sakurai said about porting Brawl to the new Smash and then saying that it need to be build up from scratch means anything to this conversation? Is it about that Snake work would mean zero because he needs to be redone like Mario and all the characters, I can tell you that the work behind Snake for Brawl will not be throw to the garbage, Snake can be remade and it will take less resources this time because of the much work that Sakurai put in the character in the first place when he start working on it in Brawl. Your only comment that you have say against Snake was that, it dosen´t have any ties with Nintendo and I answer that it really didn´t matter for Sakurai, can you tell me what were the others were? I have answer you each time and you don´t respond or give any satisfactory answers so we are tied if you look at it, especially because you haven´t tell me why Lucas/Wolf/Lucario brings something new to the table. Where did you point resources and instances outside of the Smash Series? The only points you bring are the creator of Earthbound/Mother is good friends with Sakurai, the same can be said for Sakurai and Kojima, second something about Hal Laboratory working in Smash and working too in Earthbound/Mother does that put on any higher pedestal the series I don´t think so, especially after Hal Laboraty is no more and the Earthbound/Mother series dosen´t have any sequels to bring to the future, that still has strong fanbase in Japan and in many parts in the world, good enough but so is MGS, that Lucas/Lucario/Wolf are first party and should be over Sanke when I have say what the character brings to the table and what does the other three character brings that are nothing new and you haven´t make a good statement about them, so I´m still waiting for that good answer.

For many people it was hype enough, especially it was good because all the free advertising that both Nintendo and Konami receive from many journalists, web pages, forums, social media and word of mouth, it was huge by that moment so it was good for both sides. Obviously if Snake did never appear in Brawl, the game would still sell well, it was never break or deal kind of thing, the same can say about Lucas/Lucario/Wolf not appearing in Smash.

Can you tell me what other reason I bring up? If is what I say about the music, stages, assist trophy and many more things that brings Snake as character, I was contemplating all that as resources, money, and material, again what does it matter if a bring this now, for me its more positive thing as to why Snake need to come back instead of Lucas/Lucario/Wolf.

3. What the hell? Then why did you bring Advance Wars to the discussion? I know both games take the military setting but that dosen´t mean that one substitute the other, your perspective is a little twisted, instead of setting, you should look at it about gameplay, both series are completely different, if a character from Nintendo should substitute Snake, it should be a character that at least has the same gameplay and for my knowledge nothing from Nintendo gets close as to the genre of MTGS that is Stealth/Action.

And even in the near future there is not launch games from Konami about Metal Gear Solid in Nintendo consoles, dosen´t mean the chances of Snake would be dismissed because of what I have been saying in my previews posts that you seem to negate.

And I say Snake compared to Lucas/Wolf/Lucario that those characters cannot bring anything more because Snake brings his character, unique moveset, stages, music and even other characters from his series. If you axe Snake it would mean losing all of that, it means losing more than a single character, compared to losing a character that can be represented well enough with one, two or more characters from his series like Ness - Fox/Falco - Pikachu/Jigglypuff/Pokemon Trainer/Mewtwo respectively.

.n_n.
 

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I am surprised about Sonic's reception. Toon Link got more controversy and praise. Sonic's reveal felt bland. No one was really excited. I wonder if Ridley's reveal will be the same. Is it because everyone expected Sonic? I am not saying that NO ONE was excited. I just thought it would be more like when he was revealed for Brawl.
 

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I assume that you're referring to Project X Zone, where ironically neither of those three characters didn't appear. (Mega Man stuff appeared, although it was from the X and Legends series instead of Classic Mega Man.)

Nevertheless, it still was a Namco Bandai, Capcom and Sega crossover exclusively on a Nintendo console and even developed by a Nintendo-owned studio (Monolith Soft).

We have a Capcom character, a Sega character and the game is being developed by Namco Bandai and being exclusive to Nintendo platforms. It's one hell of a coincidence. (Or perhaps something more?)


We all know Paccy is in. And it is NO COINCIDENCE.
 
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Wow, some fighting went down since I was last logged in.


I guess everyone just needs to take two and call me in the morning.
 

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Wow. Divine, Noah.

You've been warned by the mods how many times now?


Either way, I'm just going to say it.

We saw a very short clip of Pyrosphere. I'm not exactly sure why but I feel much more confident in saying that there is no stage hazard on that stage, whether it be Ridley, lava or anything really.
 

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We all know Paccy is in. And it is NO COINCIDENCE.
You can't affirm that Pac-Man is in, though. Can't deny his chances are high, but until we've seen a confirmation, anything could happen.

I guess everyone just needs to take two and call me in the morning.
First Morbid with his Jigglypuff jokes and now you with the Dr. Mario jokes?

...What's next?
 

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I am surprised about Sonic's reception. Toon Link got more controversy and praise. Sonic's reveal felt bland. No one was really excited. I wonder if Ridley's reveal will be the same. Is it because everyone expected Sonic? I am not saying that NO ONE was excited. I just thought it would be more like when he was revealed for Brawl.
I agree. I don't think that it was because we expected it though, because I pretty much squealed in joy when Peach was revealed, and will squeal in delight when someone like Zelda or Ganondorf is revealed (I like the Zelda franchise, is what I'm saying).

To me, Sonic just felt like Sonic. Like, how would you feel if Mario wasn't revealed at E3, and was weirdly revealed today? Not too excited, right? I mean, it's Mario, the Mascot of a company. He's just Mario as Sonic is just... Sonic.
 

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Me with Nightmare Before Christmas jokes.

I'm in a Halloween mood. As I should be.
I'm loving the Oogie Boogie Avatar. Can I just say that Nightmare Before Christmas is pretty much one of my favorite movies ever?

So, I'm hoping for that new Sonic stage to be shown, at least like a full-screen view of it. I wanna see how it looks altogether.
 

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1. As a characters of Smash, both of them are the same caliber, they bring equals parts to the game.

2. Obviously Sakurai is not afraid, but you are telling me that it will be the impossible work to bring back Snake, when Sakurai has bring two third parties already to the party, so no, is not impossible. What does commenting on what Sakurai said about porting Brawl to the new Smash and then saying that it need to be build up from scratch means anything to this conversation? Is it about that Snake work would mean zero because he needs to be redone like Mario and all the characters, I can tell you that the work behind Snake for Brawl will not be throw to the garbage, Snake can be remade and it will take less resources this time because of the much work that Sakurai put in the character in the first place when he start working on it in Brawl. Your only comment that you have say against Snake was that, it dosen´t have any ties with Nintendo and I answer that it really didn´t matter for Sakurai, can you tell me what were the others were? I have answer you each time and you don´t respond or give any satisfactory answers so we are tied if you look at it, especially because you haven´t tell me why Lucas/Wolf/Lucario brings something new to the table. Where did you point resources and instances outside of the Smash Series? The only points you bring are the creator of Earthbound/Mother is good friends with Sakurai, the same can be said for Sakurai and Kojima, second something about Hal Laboratory working in Smash and working too in Earthbound/Mother does that put on any higher pedestal the series I don´t think so, especially after Hal Laboraty is no more and the Earthbound/Mother series dosen´t have any sequels to bring to the future, that still has strong fanbase in Japan and in many parts in the world, good enough but so is MGS, that Lucas/Lucario/Wolf are first party and should be over Sanke when I have say what the character brings to the table and what does the other three character brings that are nothing new and you haven´t make a good statement about them, so I´m still waiting for that good answer.

For many people it was hype enough, especially it was good because all the free advertising that both Nintendo and Konami receive from many journalists, web pages, forums, social media and word of mouth, it was huge by that moment so it was good for both sides. Obviously if Snake did never appear in Brawl, the game would still sell well, it was never break or deal kind of thing, the same can say about Lucas/Lucario/Wolf not appearing in Smash.

Can you tell me what other reason I bring up? If is what I say about the music, stages, assist trophy and many more things that brings Snake as character, I was contemplating all that as resources, money, and material, again what does it matter if a bring this now, for me its more positive thing as to why Snake need to come back instead of Lucas/Lucario/Wolf.

3. What the hell? Then why did you bring Advance Wars to the discussion? I know both games take the military setting but that dosen´t mean that one substitute the other, your perspective is a little twisted, instead of setting, you should look at it about gameplay, both series are completely different, if a character from Nintendo should substitute Snake, it should be a character that at least has the same gameplay and for my knowledge nothing from Nintendo gets close as to the genre of MTGS that is Stealth/Action.

And even in the near future there is not launch games from Konami about Metal Gear Solid games in Nintendo consoles, dosen´t mean the chances of Snake would be dismissed because of what I have been saying in my previews posts that you seem to negate.

And I say Snake compared to Lucas/Wolf/Lucario that those characters cannot bring anything more because Snake brings his character, unique moveset, stages, music and even other characters from his series. If you axe Snake it would mean losing all of that, it means losing more than a single character, compared to losing a character that can be represented well enough with one, two or more characters from his series like Ness - Fox/Falco - Pikachu/Jigglypuff/Pokemon Trainer/Mewtwo.

.n_n.

Yeah, I'm done.

I can't wait to see Lucas, Lucario and Wolf in Smash 4 :)

If you missed my points and want your questions answered, go back and read my points. I already have proven and backed myself up with objective reasoning.
 

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Show irrefutable proof or you can't claim such a thing.


Did I just read a subtle allusion to an old game by Capcom?
Ghosts 'n Goblins, obviously.
Like a Jigglypuff walking in on its parents. To be honest, I was just trying to think of generic Halloween monsters not including witches. I loved Ghosts and Goblins though. Arthur for Smash?
 

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I'm loving the Oogie Boogie Avatar. Can I just say that Nightmare Before Christmas is pretty much one of my favorite movies ever?

So, I'm hoping for that new Sonic stage to be shown, at least like a full-screen view of it. I wanna see how it looks altogether.
Thanks! And I agree, it's one of my favorite movies as well. I still like the Lion King and the Land Before Time more though.

I'm kind of hoping for a new Sonic stage to be shown soon as well.
 

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Snake is my most wanted veteran that's yet to be confirmed. Maybe I'm biased since I'm a giant MGS fanboy but there's something about seeing him in Brawl that makes me smile to this day. Half the roster is cartoony characters, the other half is fantasy characters...then there's just Solid Snake. But at the same time, he fit in pretty well in that he was really off-the-wall and wacky with stuff like using the MGS2 security cameras as a recovery move and the 30-something codec calls on Shadow Moses Island.

I don't care which Snake it is or who does his voice, but I'd be seriously disappointed if this game had a lack of tactical espionage action.
 

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Snake is my most wanted veteran that's yet to be confirmed. Maybe I'm biased since I'm a giant MGS fanboy but there's something about seeing him in Brawl that makes me smile to this day. Half the roster is cartoony characters, the other half is fantasy characters...then there's just Solid Snake. But at the same time, he fit in pretty well in that he was really off-the-wall and wacky with stuff like using the MGS2 security cameras as a recovery move and the 30-something codec calls on Shadow Moses Island.

I don't care which Snake it is or who does his voice, but I'd be seriously disappointed if this game had a lack of tactical espionage action.

Snake was definitely fun to play as and the attention to detail in his codecs were a treat. And of course, he did have a nice ass :3

But he has nothing on Zero Suit Samus.
 

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Snake is my most wanted veteran that's yet to be confirmed. Maybe I'm biased since I'm a giant MGS fanboy but there's something about seeing him in Brawl that makes me smile to this day. Half the roster is cartoony characters, the other half is fantasy characters...then there's just Solid Snake. But at the same time, he fit in pretty well in that he was really off-the-wall and wacky with stuff like using the MGS2 security cameras as a recovery move and the 30-something codec calls on Shadow Moses Island.

I don't care which Snake it is or who does his voice, but I'd be seriously disappointed if this game had a lack of tactical espionage action.
I want Snake as long as it is Big Boss.
 

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There's already a Sonic stage confirmed. It seems to be based on Sonic Lost World.




It's ironic: in Brawl, we had a stage based on the very first Sonic game, now we have a stage based on the most recent title.
 

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I'd be fine with Pac-Man.

As long as we get Snake too.

If Pac bumps Snake out, I'll be pissed.
 

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Didn't we already see the new Sonic stage?
Well, yes, but not the whole view of it. I wanna see the whole thing like what we saw with Wuhu, Pyrosphere, Reset Bomb, etc. It'd be pretty cool to see some wide view of the stage in its entirety.

Oh, Pac-Man again? Well, this will most likely be a civilized discussion, so I'll partake. I think Pac-Man is certainly plausible and possible as a newcomer. However, I agree with Swamp. I'd want to see Snake return as well.
 

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If I had to choose another third party character over Pac-Man (this is assuming Snake is in again) I'd choose Wreck-It Ralph.


Well technically he's fourth party, but you get my point. Right?
 

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Yeah, I'm done.

I can't wait to see Lucas, Lucario and Wolf in Smash 4 :)

If you missed my points and want your questions answered, go back and read my points. I already have proven and backed myself up with objective reasoning.
And I can´t wait to see Snake back in Smash 4.
The same goes to you, I put my points on the table and you dismiss them like nothing, I answer every question with a logical argument and still you didn´t prove me what more of those characters can bring to the game a part from their personas and moveset, when Snake brings much more.
.n_n.
 

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We saw a very short clip of Pyrosphere. I'm not exactly sure why but I feel much more confident in saying that there is no stage hazard on that stage, whether it be Ridley, lava or anything really.
I had the same feeling. Half of it might be wishful thinking but I felt that, after seeing video of the stage, it seems to more simple without any types of gimmicks or hazards. It just gave off that type of feeling. But the Pilotwings stage seems like to be cray-cray. All that zipping around and fly by's. it's seems very fast and chaotic.

It was great to see the game play again, as well.
 

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If I had to choose another third party character over Pac-Man (this is assuming Snake is in again) I'd choose Wreck-It Ralph.


Well technically he's fourth party, but you get my point. Right?
I think if I had to choose someone over Pac-Man, it would be Mickey Mouse. I don't really want Pac-Man too much... ok... I lied. Pac-Man would be awesome.
 
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