Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[BluePikmin11]

Why? What is happening next week? Is it Smash related?

Maybe Mewtwo. Oh man the tensions I cannot control.

 

[jaytalks]

I'm predicting Yoshi next. It seems like a Sakurai thing to do. Everyone is expecting a pokemon rep.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Maybe Mewtwo. Oh man the tensions I cannot control.

Oh and also pokemon in general... You gotta love that... Right? =P

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'm predicting Yoshi next. It seems like a Sakurai thing to do. Everyone is expecting a pokemon rep.

Then I will obviously have a disappoint face.

 

[NickerBocker]

Guys, it's time to be more realistic.

Can we expect another reveal this week?

October 12, Jigglypuff :3

 

[kingmario92]

Noah is saying to stop *****ing at him, and that he's not even doing anything

 

[MargnetMan23]

I'm predicting Yoshi next. It seems like a Sakurai thing to do. Everyone is expecting a pokemon rep.

You know guys Yoshi could be the Mario 3D world character reveal, it's not like Yoshi still appears in Mario games right? =P Though it doesn't look like Yoshi's in THIS one but still...

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

1. The assist trophies in Brawl were used to support characters I believe. Tingle, Samurai Goroh, Waluigi, etc. I'm not sure what you mean by the second example, but Sakurai's decisions on how to represent these characters can always be worked into methods of support because he hasn't said Yes or No. That's why the speculation range is so diverse around here.

2. I honestly can't cite one. Aside from rumors, there wasn't as much information to confirm/deconfirm characters during pre-brawl. It's a whole new ball game. But can can see where you were going with this, although I think the reveal process this time around will bring about more situations such as this.

I wouldn't say confirming a character to be a summon-able ally is support for them so much as dead-end for their chances of being playable. Being an assist trophy basically confirms that they will not be playable, which is a definite No to me. That is what I was making this about, anyhow. And the latter bit was Sakurai's description in the second Kid Icarus stage screenshot that was essentially deconfirming Viridi.

I guess we can put the subject under wraps otherwise. It's all a matter of what one's hopes for Ridley and stance on evidence that really changes a given view on Ridley speculation, I suppose.

Guys, it's time to be more realistic.

Can we expect another reveal this week?

Probably not. Sakurai's going to milk Sonic this week, at the very least.

 

[κomıc]

And you too are spinning round again.

1. So probably Sonic is more important to Nintendo history but as a character from Smash both of them are the same, like Mega Man will be in the future.

2. And I have addressed that Sakurai is not afraid of licensing Snake, if Mega Man and Sonic are in right now, what is stopping from Snake to being licensing again and being in Smash when all the work for the character has been done (and it was huge), just tell me. And as a business perspective it would be really important for Nintendo to have again Snake because is one of biggest icons right now from videogames, it would attract hype again like it did in Brawl. So your point is blank again specially because both companies will get positive views (If Konami did think that Snake would be poorly used in Smash, they will not given permission to use Snake in Smash in the first place).

3. Obviously they would give an advance wars rep a cool moveset, but not the moveset of Snake because that moveset is for Snake, if you want to look for really great moveset potentials for an Advance Wars rep you can look the Andy thread where he is supported to be a playable character, and believe me those movesets are more in character than what are you saying about Andy having the moveset of Snake XD.

My concern is that Snake not only has his moveset, he brings all the resources that are behind him like music, stages, assist trophy and probably much more that I´m forgetting, thats why I think Snake is important because each time Sakurai adds another new series to Smash being 1st or 3rd party, it brings much more than the simple character.

So you are telling me that when Ice Climbers, R.O.B., G&W and probably a new Old Rep are confirmed characters all of them will have cross promotion with their most recent game, the answer is NO, cross promotion can be in many forms, not only is specified to the website, it can be something new, a public relations announcement or a Nintendo Direct, you name it, so that does not make Snake to have any less chances than Lucario, Lucas or Wolf. For you dosen't make sense but for me is the opposite.

.n_n.

You're really missing the point.

1. Sonic and Snake are not on the same caliber, so you're totally wrong on that.

2. Please source where Sakurai said he's not afraid of licensing Snake. There's nothing to be afraid about. But please, because you apparently have the man on speed dial. Are you also aware that Sakurai is filled with hot air? As much as I like him, he's inconsistent with what he says. Last year, he said he's using and pretty much porting over Brawl's assets as a starting point for developing Smash 4. Earlier this year, he turned around and said "It's hard to bring back characters because we have to work on them from scratch" when looking at the game now, characters have the same structure and idle animations. I'm not disputing Snake not being an icon, hun. Again, you're totally missing my point and are avoiding it like the swine flu. Please, do yourself a favor, reread the points I've made as to why Snake is unlikely to return. Please. Because I'm tired of repeating myself and sounding like a broken record. I've backed up my points fairly well especially when I point to sources and instances outside of the Smash Bros series. You choose to revoke them and be negligent. Brawl was not hyped because Snake was in it. It was hyped for being the first online Smash Bros. and of course, being the NEXT Smash Bros. Smash 4 is ALREADY hyped without Snake. You keep flip flopping around like a Magikarp. Be consistent with what you say. You said Snake is returning because Sakurai doesn't want a good moveset to go waste. Then you came up with another reason. Now you're saying it's important for Nintendo to use a character (that seldom shows up on Nintendo consoles, please keep this in mind) to hype up their game? Silly.

3. I never said Andy should have the same moveset as Snake. I brought the Advance Wars series up because what it has in common with MGS is that they're based on a military setting. Sorry for your misunderstanding.

No, I'm not telling you when Ice Climbers or other characters that are defunct show up on the website there will be a cross promotion. Again, you're missing the point. Currently, the Smash Bros website is being used to cross promote several games. Peach is the only one who has not been given a link to another game's website of the recently revealed veterans.

I will give you this. The only scenarios in which Snake could potentially be revealed are:

A. Nintendo announces a partnership with Konami to publish and distribute MGSV on Wii U
B. Konami announces a collection of MGS games on Wii U
C. An original MGS title for 3DS

Snake is in a very special situation versus G&W and Ice Climbers. You cannot compare Snake with the statuses of 1st party characters just to make your point and try desperately to prove me wrong. Right now, it looks like you're reaching. A little too much.

 

[TumblrFamous]

This week? Nah. Next week (most likely Friday) most likely. I know it seems rather naive to expect a new character so soon, but seeing as Pokemon X and Y are some of the biggest games Nintendo has going for them this year, it's a game that definitely deserves the promotion. HOWEVER, Sakurai may take the thought that Pokemon, being as hugely popular as it is, isn't in direct need of extra promotion as it'll easily sell tens of millions, more likely twenties of millions, on its own merits. So I can say that if we don't get a newcomer for Pokemon X and Y...I won't be happy...but I'll at least understand the reasoning.

I completely agree. Being as big as it is, it hinders and boosts the chances of a reveal, so I can see either option being likely. Of course, I'd love to see something like Mewtwo or Lucario, but it's a pipe dream...

Also, quick question. Since we got a character revealed on the first day of October, can we expect one or two more? Obviously, I think we're gonna see at least one (3 if you count the potential Pokemon Trainer), but what are the chances for having two more characters, perhaps even a newcomer, confirmed?

EDIT: You all know I was being sarcastic with the whole "be realistic thing", right?

 

[MargnetMan23]

I wouldn't say confirming a character to be a summon-able ally is support for them so much as dead-end for their chances of being playable. Being an assist trophy basically confirms that they will not be playable, which is a definite No to me. That is what I was making this about, anyhow. And the latter bit was Sakurai's description in the second Kid Icarus stage screenshot that was essentially deconfirming Viridi.

I guess we can put the subject under wraps otherwise. It's all a matter of what one's hopes for Ridley and stance on evidence that really changes a given view on Ridley speculation, I suppose.

Probably not. Sakurai's going to milk Sonic this week, at the very least.

Aww why couldn't Toon Link be milked IT'S NOT FAIRRRRRRRRR

 

[Zhadgon]

could go either way but he's definitely the most likely character to not return =P

I think other 1st parties have more chances of not getting back than Snake, but thats just me.
.n_n.

 

[MargnetMan23]

I think other 1st parties have more chances of not getting back than Snake, but thats just me.
.n_n.

And I will respectfully disagree because I feel this game is obviously focusing more on refining veterans and making a more polished game as opposed to: OMG WE NEED ISAAC IN THE GAIM CUT JIGGLYPUFF

 

[Hotfeet444]

@Morbid, Hotfeet, DD

Awwww, I love you and your forum-grinding posts too.

I completely agree. Being as big as it is, it hinders and boosts the chances of a reveal, so I can see either option being likely. Of course, I'd love to see something like Mewtwo or Lucario, but it's a pipe dream...

Also, quick question. Since we got a character revealed on the first day of October, can we expect one or two more? Obviously, I think we're gonna see at least one (3 if you count the potential Pokemon Trainer), but what are the chances for having two more characters, perhaps even a newcomer, confirmed?

EDIT: You all know I was being sarcastic with the whole "be realistic thing", right?

Since we already got the character we expected for the end of the month...I have to say just one more, most likely the one we all expect to be associated with Pokemon, and one I HOPE FOR TO BE MEWTWO, and I know I'm not alone on that, although part of me wants it to be Jigglypuff...and the other fraction thinks it'll be Pokemon Trainer. Of course I could say "I don't expect Lucario this soon" but I'm not going to...I'd be repeating myself like I did for the last two reveals we've had...actually no, make that three, I didn't expect Peach until Super Mario 3D World's release. By the way, that game looks fantastic.

 

[Silverjay323]

I completely agree. Being as big as it is, it hinders and boosts the chances of a reveal, so I can see either option being likely. Of course, I'd love to see something like Mewtwo or Lucario, but it's a pipe dream...

Also, quick question. Since we got a character revealed on the first day of October, can we expect one or two more? Obviously, I think we're gonna see at least one (3 if you count the potential Pokemon Trainer), but what are the chances for having two more characters, perhaps even a newcomer, confirmed?

EDIT: You all know I was being sarcastic with the whole "be realistic thing", right?

I'm thinking Mewtwo or....Lucario may be revealed on the week X & Y launches, and I wouldn't be expecting a newcomer plus with no other game to promote....I'll say Lucas.

 

[Morbi]

And I will respectfully disagree because I feel this game is obviously focusing more on refining veterans and making a more polished game as opposed to: OMG WE NEED ISAAC IN THE GAIM CUT JIGGLYPUFF

The first words I read were "cut Jigglypuff" I was about to get ready for some real debating action. Haha.

 

[TumblrFamous]

You know, I'm a bit upset. We barely gave Sakurai time to let Toon Link drive us all but me crazy with pictures every single day. Maybe these few weeks he'll go crazy with Sonic and Toon Link, and hopefully we'll see the new Sonic stage this week.

I posted in Miiverse that the pic wasn't surprising (the one with WFT and Olimar), but I had a gut feeling that it wasn't the REAL pic. It just seemed off.

 

[BKupa666]

You know, I'm a bit upset. We barely gave Sakurai time to let Toon Link drive us all but me crazy with pictures every single day. Maybe these few weeks he'll go crazy with Sonic and Toon Link, and hopefully we'll see the new Sonic stage this week.

I posted in Miiverse that the pic wasn't surprising (the one with WFT and Olimar), but I had a gut feeling that it wasn't the REAL pic. It just seemed off.

I do like that Sakurai is able to discern which pictures are complete crap, and think that it's funny he posts those ones specifically right before a veteran is revealed.

 

[MargnetMan23]

I'm thinking Mewtwo or....Lucario may be revealed on the week X & Y launches, and I wouldn't be expecting a newcomer plus with no other game to promote....I'll say Lucas.

Honestly for pokemon reveal it's all of this stuff
Mewtwo will be revealed!
But he's too important JIGGLYPUFF will be revealed!
**** jigglypuff Lucario will be!
I think Pokemon Trainer makes the most sense...

... Pokemon newcomer
Everyone: SHUT UP!

I have no ****ing clue what's going to happen, but all I know is that I HOPE it's mewtwo or jigglypuff. Lucario and Pokemon Trainer don't have significant implications for me even though I'll probably still use them (yes, I use Lucario even though I don't really like him... Double team is a fun move to try to pull off XD) because 1. These are characters that I'm not too concerned or particularly interested in seeing return 2. they're not mother****ing MEWTWO

 

[Morbi]

You know, I'm a bit upset. We barely gave Sakurai time to let Toon Link drive us all but me crazy with pictures every single day. Maybe these few weeks he'll go crazy with Sonic and Toon Link, and hopefully we'll see the new Sonic stage this week.

I posted in Miiverse that the pic wasn't surprising (the one with WFT and Olimar), but I had a gut feeling that it wasn't the REAL pic. It just seemed off.

He realized that the Toon Link fans were gloating too much. So he decided to reveal Sonic early. I am convinced that this is the truth.

 

[Hotfeet444]

He realized that the Toon Link fans were gloating too much. So he decided to reveal Sonic early. I am convinced that this is the truth.

That or he didn't expect Toon Link to keep hype up enough between then and a new character, so he decided to release a character early, which turned out to be Sonic. I'm not saying Toon Link isn't enough to keep hype going, which I can definitely say he is, especially since practically everyone and their cousin has a Toon Link avatar, but once again, it's Sakurai. It's also good to see that Sonic's back so early, especially after reading crap like "Sakurai hates Sonic and that's why he had such a bland moveset".

 

[Louie G.]

He may have released Sonic to throw off everyone's "patterns."
You know, keep it unpredictable.

 

[Frostwraith]

Pac-***, Sanic, and Megan

all from the Xross game. I think... them being the three third parties is no coincidence. Theyre all cool with each other (obv), and released their game on a Ninty console. That moment when crazy conspiracies might actually be true.

I assume that you're referring to Project X Zone, where ironically neither of those three characters didn't appear. (Mega Man stuff appeared, although it was from the X and Legends series instead of Classic Mega Man.)

Nevertheless, it still was a Namco Bandai, Capcom and Sega crossover exclusively on a Nintendo console and even developed by a Nintendo-owned studio (Monolith Soft).

We have a Capcom character, a Sega character and the game is being developed by Namco Bandai and being exclusive to Nintendo platforms. It's one hell of a coincidence. (Or perhaps something more?)

I do like that Sakurai is able to discern which pictures are complete crap, and think that it's funny he posts those ones specifically right before a veteran is revealed.

And both times it happened, Olimar was featured. Surely it can't be coincidence, right?

 

[NickerBocker]

Honestly for pokemon reveal it's all of this stuff
Mewtwo will be revealed!
But he's too important JIGGLYPUFF will be revealed!
**** jigglypuff Lucario will be!
I think Pokemon Trainer makes the most sense...

... Pokemon newcomer
Everyone: SHUT UP!

I have no ****ing clue what's going to happen, but all I know is that I HOPE it's mewtwo or jigglypuff. Lucario and Pokemon Trainer don't have significant implications for me even though I'll probably still use them (yes, I use Lucario even though I don't really like him... Double team is a fun move to try to pull off XD) because 1. These are characters that I'm not too concerned or particularly interested in seeing return 2. they're not mother****ing MEWTWO

Which one he reveals, (if he does) will both answer and raise alot of questions, with the exception of Jigglypuff.

-Everyone expects Jigglypuff, so seeing that inclusion would do little to spark hype
-of Lucario and PKMN Trainer, they both have the chance to be cut, so if they show one, people are going to question where the other lies.
-Mewtwo is... well Mewtwo, and people will be stoked for that
- a newcomer would surprise alot of people (or at least the people here) and throw a wrench in the gears and spark hype

So if Sakurai wants to save the hype, Jiggs is the best choice at this point.
If he wants to generate hype, pretty much any other choice is great for it

So the question is: hype now or hype later?

 

[BluePikmin11]

In Unrelated news, Mighty No. 9 funding is done, we actually reached $4 Million to get Online Battle Race Mode, HURRAY!

 

[jaytalks]

When Snake is revealed, they are going to advertise for the next Metal Gear Solid game for a Nintendo console. When you click it, it just says NEVER.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

In Unrelated news, Mighty No. 9 funding is done, we actually reached $4 Million to get Online Battle Race Mode, HURRAY!

Shantae is upset

 

[Morbi]

Which one he reveals, (if he does) will both answer and raise alot of questions, with the exception of Jigglypuff.

-Everyone expects Jigglypuff, so seeing that inclusion would do little to spark hype
-of Lucario and PKMN Trainer, they both have the chance to be cut, so if they show one, people are going to question where the other lies.
-Mewtwo is... well Mewtwo, and people will be stoked for that
- a newcomer would surprise alot of people (or at least the people here) and throw a wrench in the gears and spark hype

So if Sakurai wants to save the hype, Jiggs is the best choice at this point.
If he wants to generate hype, pretty much any other choice is great for it

Jigglypuff is also great to generate hype. So as far as I am convinced, Jigglypuff is going to be revealed next.

 

[jaytalks]

Shantae is upset

Shantae's game has met its funding goal as well.

Mighty No. 9 was funded $500,000 dollars more since I last checked. Which was 6 hours ago.

 

[TumblrFamous]

That or he didn't expect Toon Link to keep hype up enough between then and a new character, so he decided to release a character early, which turned out to be Sonic. I'm not saying Toon Link isn't enough to keep hype going, which I can definitely say he is, especially since practically everyone and their cousin has a Toon Link avatar, but once again, it's Sakurai. It's also good to see that Sonic's back so early, especially after reading crap like "Sakurai hates Sonic and that's why he had such a bland moveset".

Ugh! I'll be hyped about Toon Link until the game comes out, clone or not! He'll keep my hype more than Sonic, personally. I just never found Sonic that exciting. But that's just me.

I wanna see Zelda and Lucas, and I'll be set. Please, Sakurai, that's all I want, everyone else I love is here, give me them!

 

[Louie G.]

Jigglypuff is also great to generate hype.

Nah, not really.

 

[Morbi]

Ugh! I'll be hyped about Toon Link until the game comes out, clone or not! He'll keep my hype more than Sonic, personally. I just never found Sonic that exciting. But that's just me.

I wanna see Zelda and Lucas, and I'll be set. Please, Sakurai, that's all I want, everyone else I love is here, give me them!

Yeah. Once Jigglypuff is revealed, that is enough hype for the year. I agree though. Sonic hasn't been exciting to me since... Adventure 2. You are right though. I will be completely set once I see Zelda. The only two requests I have for Smash are Jigglypuff's return and Skyward Sword Zelda design. If they give Zelda some ugly design, I can hope for Yarn Yoshi.

 

[Hotfeet444]

In Unrelated news, Mighty No. 9 funding is done, we actually reached $4 Million to get Online Battle Race Mode, HURRAY!

Oh yay, and Shantae would've done everything Mighty Number 9 is doing and more for ONLY A LITTLE OVER A MILLION, and yet we'll never get it because of the grudges people hold against Capcom, it feels like a royal kick to the crotch to know that we could have even had animated cutscenes and a bunch of free stuff, just as much if not more than that of Mighty Number 9, if people at least gave it a chance.

Edit: The fact that they were asking for over 3 million for a 3DS and Vita version is ludicrous, it truly is, it's basically Inti Creates milking you fans for money at this point.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Yeah. Once Jigglypuff is revealed, that is enough hype for the year. I agree though. Sonic hasn't been exciting to me since... Adventure 2. You are right though. I will be completely set once I see Zelda. The only two requests I have for Smash are Jigglypuff's return and Skyward Sword Zelda design. If they give Zelda some ugly design, I can hope for Yarn Yoshi.

My guess is that they'll do what they did to Link. Completely updated and new, but based off of her TP design in HD on the Wii U. For the 3DS, a toned down, TP-looking Zelda.

3DS and Wi U Link look totally different. As does Toon Link to a lesser extent, so I expect the same for Zelda.

 

[BluePikmin11]

If the Shantae kickstarter started on the day Mighty No. 9 funding was done.

 

[Morbi]

My guess is that they'll do what they did to Link. Completely updated and new, but based off of her TP design in HD on the Wii U. For the 3DS, a toned down, TP-looking Zelda.

3DS and Wi U Link look totally different. As does Toon Link to a lesser extent, so I expect the same for Zelda.

I wouldn't really call Link's design "new". You are probably right though. So that is even more reason to want Yarn Yoshi.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Yeah. Once Jigglypuff is revealed, that is enough hype for the year. I agree though. Sonic hasn't been exciting to me since... Adventure 2. You are right though. I will be completely set once I see Zelda. The only two requests I have for Smash are Jigglypuff's return and Skyward Sword Zelda design. If they give Zelda some ugly design, I can hope for Yarn Yoshi.

I'd rather have her TP design instead. I mean....that nose in SS on Zelda?

 

[TumblrFamous]

I wouldn't really call Link's design "new". You are probably right though. So that is even more reason to want Yarn Yoshi.

Well, it's different. It's based on TP, used lighter colors, and basically changed his face. His face in TP, SS... totally different from what we have now. He looks so much more matured and stern rather than the light, innocent faces of the other ones.

P.S. Still do not like her SS design. The Zelda we all know and love in Smash has been very stoic and wise. I'd rather see her than the childish-looking SS Zelda.

 

[Morbi]

I'd rather have her TP design instead. I mean....that nose in SS on Zelda?

I have a nose-fetish. I just want something new and fresh. If I want to play TP Zelda, I would play Brawl. That might just be me though. I am very excited about Bowser's new stance. It just makes the game feel different. That is what I want. I don't just want more of the same.

 

[Starcutter]

so guys, tails? how likely is he now?