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TheLastJinjo

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Well I just pointed out that you said that the Arcade needs representation and I pointed out 75m and Mario Bros. in Brawl.
I was referring to the roster.
I'm not completely certain why you keep suggesting that when I continue to ask why the Arcade should have a system specific character over the Super Nintendo Entertainment System, Game Boy, or Virtual Boy? Those are actually Nintendo consoles after all.
Game Boy was represented back in Smash 64 considering it came out before Pokemon Stadium. Ness represented Super Nintendo, and Virtual Boy was a commercial failure with no characters to choose from. (at least significant ones)


If you can tell me a good unique and logical moveset for the character, I'd be more open to him.
Neutral B: Gun (uses pixelated bullets)
Forward B: Horse (kinda similar to Wario's Bike, and you can abandon the poor creature kinda like Mega Man's dog. :troll: (HEY, I just realized Sheriff represents EVR race because he has a horse! :awesome:)
Downward B: Hides behind those thingies in the game. It's like a wooden fort. Kind of hard to describe.
Upward B & Grab: Lasso

FINAL SMASH: SHERIFF (he turns into his "in game" sprite as an overlay appears and starts shooting in whatever direction you choose) I'd say this is one of the most awesome final smashes IMO

Not impressive, but at least it works. I mean I'm not Sakurai. He also has the bandits and vulture to work with.



But I don't see anything new or worthy coming from the character other than being a throwback to the arcade. The character needs to do more than just represent something new (or in this case, old / historical).
It is old, historical, and a little obscure which adds a very nice touch to the roster.


That's kind of a double standard.
I mean your saying you don't count recent references but you'll count Sheriff's melee references and not say, Takamaru's inclusion in Nintendo Land (Just as an example, I don't know if you actually count that or not). So you're basically saying that Takamaru's chance has lowered as a retro character because he's had a reference in a recent game but Sheriff hasn't been touched since 2004 (That's at least how I'm seeing your statement).
Can you find the quote from me. I'm not sure I remember entirely how I said what you are saying.
 

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Is that why you messaged me crying and begging me to tell the moderators not to ban you, and graveled as you apologized for all your immature acts which you admit was childish? :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: LOLLOLLOL :laugh: says the same guy who thinks got banned TWICE, became the MOST DESPISED forum user in Smashboards history, and even CREATED A FAKE ACCOUNT... so you want to talk about embarrassing stories, then bring it on, I got embarrassing stories to tell. You of all people........:facepalm:

Not to mention telling people to go fap off to furries, and that giant tantrum you messaged me that sounds like something that came out of a 4-Year old on a playground. :chuckle: That was A LONG TIME AGO... wow, it's not like people can change for the better, huh? Nope, in your world, everybody is the same as always..... Unlike you, I've changed. :) I can actually showcase intelligence and maturity into my posts. You never have.


I'm actually very calm when it comes to characters I hate and I agree that Pac-Man is likely. You on the other hand threw a big tantrum about Chrom and even laughed that he was on rosters.:troll:
If you want uninteresting clone/semi-clone characters like Chrom, fine by me, I don't care. What I DO care about is characters like Roy, who are actually, I don't know, INTERESTING?! unlike ****, I mean Chrom.


Because you say so? I never once said he was more iconic. Yes you did stop lying. Only more affiliated with Nintendo and much cooler. LOL go out onto the streets right now and ask people who do they know more about - Pacman or Bomberman. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY will say Bomberman. Never. You want to hear something really stupid? DD still thinks Lloyd Irving is a Nintendo character :cool: I NEVER said that. NEVER. I said Lloyd AND Pacman both have the same chances, because why can't Sakurai have 4 3rd party characters? Why limit it to 3? Is there a magical rule we all have to follow about 3rd party characters? Oh wait, of course you know MORE about Sakurai then the rest of us do. So tell us then Noah J. Linderer what is Sakurai thinking of right now. since you know SO MUCH about him that we don't..... :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll:


We can go on and on about you if you really think it's worth it. ;)
I swear... you'll say ANYTHING that contradicts me. Anything. If I went out and ate peanut butter, you would eat peanuts and butter. ;)

By posting an interesting video related to an earlier subject?

Learn to take a moderator's advice, like I have.


Dude, I get it. You are a hardcore Pac-Man fan. I'm not. Deal with it.
Why don't YOU deal with opinions from OTHER people? Seriously?

I ****ing hate Peach, and I still have her on my roster. Liking or disliking a character has never influenced my addition of that character.
Biased towards: Starfy, Shantai, Sheriff, BOMBERMAN
Biased against: PACMAN
The evidence is strongly against you Noah. Case closed, the verdict is in, YOU LOSE!

Who cares about Malcolm in the Middle? :troll:

Ice Climbers & Takamaru deconfiremed for Smash 4.
I guess a bunch of eskimos and a flaming-sword weilding samurai are not as cool as a pixelated 8-bit cowboy who is completely white and colorless. That's cool I guess Noah. :troll:

I fail to see the logic in this comparison
You fail to see the logic in ANYTHING. Not just comparisons but ANYTHING. For ****'s sake, whether its characters or rosters or SAKURAI, you just don't get it about anything. And yet HERE YOU ARE acting like a goddamn immature little child in need of a time-out. Anytime somebody disagrees with you, you cry like a baby, start THROWING A TANTRUM, and start insulting everybody left and right. Seriously Noah J. Linderer, YOU need a time-out. :glare:

Take a break from the forums. that's all. Just take a break. When you learn to play nice with everybody on the playground, then you can come back. until then, TAKE A BREAK!!! :urg:

You mean 2 objects that are not owned by Nintendo nor are they characters?


You mean like: :bowser2: :charizard: :dedede: :dk2: :popo: :ivysaur: :jigglypuff: :kirby2: :link2: :luigi2: :mario2: :marth: :metaknight: :peach: :zelda: :warioc: :squirtle: :snake: :samus2: :pt: :pit: :pikachu2: :drmario: :pichumelee: and :mewtwomelee: ?
I meant OLD-SCHOOL games like in the ARCADES. Stop shoving ****ty words into my mouth, because their not mine. :glare:
Wheeew... Look I'm not always amped up like this, but when someone like Noah gets my adrenaline running in my body, when my blood flows through my veins, you know something is going to go down. I will not stand for the ****ing stupid bull**** sandwich Noah J. Linderer is trying to force feed and shove down our throats. it tastes bad, and I don't like it at all :ohwell:
 

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But the thing is that Snake never took the spot of Lucas, thats my problem, the characters that did take the spot are Shulk, Takamaru, Little Mac or the Mii. I know Lucario is nothing like Mewtwto except for that and I forgot to write in my previous post that the reason of cutting Mewttwo it was because for one in Brawl Sakurai did have a lot of time constrains and for the second the moveset of Mewtwo was horrible so I expect that with the inclusion again of him in the new smash it will get a overhaul from head to feet to be better balanced with the whole cast, Wolf is very similar with Fox and Falco, but that dosen´t make much difference and the inclusion of Roy in my roster was becuase he is one of the top requested characters from the West and from the East and that dosen´t make a clone maybe he will receive an overhaul like i´m expecting with Mewtwo.

Where did I get the idea? Have you read a thread called what does the East request or something like that, I think is below here in this forum and there are many requested characters like Shulk, King K. Rool, Roy, Mewtwo and one of the requested characters that is retro is Takamaru, other retro characters dosen´t come close to it, the same is happening with the West, is becoming more famous and the people is getting to know more about him because of the various cameos that the character has been in recent games, like Nintendo Land and Captain Rainbow.

It dosen´t seem for me like that at all, your are discussing a character like Snake that is 3rd party to come back and comparing it to characters like Lucas, Lucario and Wolf that each has their main protagonists represent their series so they are not necessary especially because two of them have a lot of similarities in their kit with the main protagonists and the third is suffering to get a spot because is competing with other three potential candidates.

Because you say so, so Lucas will stay with Ness forever and ever (when Lucas gets three installments into the series you can say that to me until then is a blank statement). When Nintendo realese Earthbound 3 in the west then you can talk until then for me the series is still in standby and not growging ata all even if his Director want that the people enjoy more of the series. I don´t know if you are aware that Sakurai and Kojima are close friends too, I´mean thats why in the first place Snake went into Smash Bros, oh and it hurts a lot if two characters from a series that is dead has two character slots because then you can´t get more space for a new series or a new characters that can bring something new to the table.

Wher the hell did you think Sam, Max, Andy, Grit or even Nell will play as the same as Snake when none of the characters has show similar moveset or even getting close to show something like that is like taking Bandana Dee and put the moveset of Zelda so it can substitute, say character it dosen´t make sense, thats why every character that Sakurai brings to Smash is so unique because of the background, the development, the money and resources so the character can came close as to what he plays or resemblance as to what he can do in his series and thats why I´m telling you is not something as easy as you think to throw all that hard work to garbage and say you know what the 9 months that we work so hard to implement the character can go directly to hell, I mean we don´t need him in the next installment of the series.

My problem is with your reasoning that you have purist look in Smash, where third parties can go to hell and never comeback and no one will care and for me thats not right because of what each character brings to the series, with all the though behind and their unique kit, is so much and lets not forget about the resources that went on that character so it can be created, my problem is that you can kick off a lot more characters that have similar skill set as other characters and the repercussion will be less of a bother.

.n_n.

You're spinning right round again.

1. I don't have an issue with 3rd party characters. I don't have a purist outlook on Smash Bros, actually, because I actually wanted Sonic back not only because I like him but because he's relevant to Nintendo's history. More than Snake, even.

2. Earthbound isn't dead, sweetheart. If it was, Nintendo wouldn't have put up advertisements accross Japan earlier this year for a Wii U VC release. The Mother series is STILL alive wihout any new games. I'm aware of Sakurai and Kojima being friends and all. But you're still missing the point I've been making the whole time and don't even want to address. Licensing. Sakurai has to go through Nintendo and Nintendo has to go through Konami. Licensing costs money. If Nintendo sees no real reason to license Snake besides free advertisement for Konami, I don't see it happening. You're aware of the business perspective which was what I was referring to the whole time, right?

3. Hun, are you out of touch? Are you aware several characters in Smash Bros have movesets they don't have in their respective games? Are you serious? Of course they can create movesets for the Advance Wars characters. C'mon now. And that was just a suggestion.

You need to go out, do your research and look at the broader picture. You still come back to movesets when character placement are not exclusively based on that criteria. It's based on several factors.

Look at the website. Look at the character reveals. It's cross promotion. There are links to the games several of these characters star in. Why would Nintendo allow advertisement for a game on other platforms? They can reveal Snake without links to MGSV but really, I don't see Snake returning. If he does return, fantastic. Bomb Kirby will be back. But it just wouldn't make any sense.
 

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I don't even care. :p
Off topic but... Currently playing: Earthbound and Wonderful 101... But mostly Earthbound XD I'm stuck on a boss battle in 1 double o and I don't feel like looking up a walkthrough right now =P
 

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It is old, historical, and a little obscure which adds a very nice touch to the roster.
OOOOOHHHHH!!! Of course! If it's an obscure character nobody has ever heard of, then let Sakurai sign em up for Smash! Here comes fan-favorite characters from the past of video game history - Donbe and Hikari, Mr. Hanafuda, Imajin, the Cheetahmen, and of course, who can forget, NON-SPECIFIC ACTION FIGURE!!! :troll:

Seriously Noah, Sakurai doesn't just pick characters like Game and Watch and ROB because they are obscure. He picks them because they are important to Nintendo history. Sheriff is not. Game and Watch and ROB are. That's the deal.
 

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Noah and Divine should just get a room already.
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I also like that Project M Roy icon.

OOOOOHHHHH!!! Of course! If it's an obscure character nobody has ever heard of, then let Sakurai sign em up for Smash! Here comes fan-favorite characters from the past of video game history - Donbe and Hikari, Mr. Hanafuda, Imajin, the Cheetahmen, and of course, who can forget, NON-SPECIFIC ACTION FIGURE!!! :troll:

Seriously Noah, Sakurai doesn't just pick characters like Game and Watch and ROB because they are obscure. He picks them because they are important to Nintendo history. Sheriff is not. Game and Watch and ROB are. That's the deal.
The Cheetahmen aren't Nintendo property, but I do admit it'd be hilarious having Action 52 content in Smash.
 

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I have a question for you, if you need to choose between Lucas/Lucario/Wolf/Snake, who will be? (you can only choose one).
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Snake hands down. MGS is one of my favorite series and I like to play as Snake over all of those other characters.
 

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And like I said before, I doubt he cares. You're making a big deal out of something that isn't there. There screenshots are deliberately avoiding him, but that does not mean the only reason for this is his playability. It may not be ready to show, or more likely he's still teasing him as stage hazard. Why? Because it's Ridley. A character Sakurai realizes is of great speculation and would cause too much fan uproar if immediately confirmed/deconfirmed unlike the other examples you mentioned. Not really suspicious at all. The situation could be quite the opposite, teasing supporters until he's revealed as the stage hazard. You can't think Sakurai would dress a character reveal in this manner. It's out of character, but that's my opinion. I'm just saying your "evidence" is more of an optimistic speculation than an actual argument.
If Ridley isn't done, why would he even show the stage in the first place? Why wouldn't he dismiss Ridley from the start knowing the type of backlash he'd create? If Sakurai understands that Ridley is a character of great speculation, it would only make sense to make it clear that people shouldn't be putting in investment for said character, which is the complete opposite of what he's doing in making Ridley that much more of an invested character by teasing him. If he's building all this tension for Ridley, what sense would it make to use that tension to upset an entire supportbase? It'd certainly hurt people's outlook on the game more than help it, to say the least. Sakurai is no fool. He's well experienced in building up a series to make it have the best reception possible, be it Kirby, Smash Bros., or revival entirely. This is basic logic that going great lengths to give the finger to an entire fanbase will definitely hurt said reception and I don't think it's out-there to think he believes the same.

My speculation isn't evidence, but it's sound logic nonetheless. Why else would he do this ****?
 

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Wheeew... Look I'm not always amped up like this, but when someone like Noah gets my adrenaline running in my body, when my blood flows through my veins, you know something is going to go down. I will not stand for the ****ing stupid bull**** sandwich Noah J. Linderer is trying to force feed and shove down our throats. it tastes bad, and I don't like it at all :ohwell:
Just ignore him if he starts getting on your nerves. It doesn't really matter if he doesn't like Pac-Man. It will be all the funnier to rub it in his face if/when he gets revealed. That glorious day! Although, Noah already said that he thinks Pac-Man is likely. So he is just arguing for arguments sake. Maybe you should be the one to take a break. You take it a little too seriously.

Also... Yarn Yoshi will replace Yoshi. :troll:
 

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Eh DLC, no thanks :laugh:
Aren't the characters free but the chapters cost money?

Off topic but... Currently playing: Earthbound and Wonderful 101... But mostly Earthbound XD I'm stuck on a boss battle in 1 double o and I don't feel like looking up a walkthrough right now =P
I got to the part where you need to clear the underground mines of the big boss moles, and they SUCK. But even then, I stopped. It wasn't overly hard...I just either couldn't find the last mole or the game was glitching on me.
 

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... I feel like mindlessly bashing Roy right now. Or I could conclude quickly
Unless we're getting 4 FE reps I really doubt Roy's getting in =P
(Currently playing Fire Emblem: Awakening)

I don't even care. :p
But but, Roy's our boy :troll:
Wait till CHRONOBOUND gets on all your asses like a dog chasing a steak. You'll be sorry. Almost as sorry as the tears that will flow when Chrom is deconfirmed... and Roy is confirmed. :troll:

Look, again i dont have a problem with Chrom. But its getting pretty annoying when all the Chrom supporters are jumping on the Roy supporters. Why can't I just, I dont know, support a character I like and not be criticized for it? Seriously?
 

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Yeah. No problem. I just don't think Lucas has a GREAT chance. I am not saying that he will not return. He is one of the only Brawl veterans I am betting against though. Snake is mostly due to the notion that I think Sakurai will want to take it easy on 3rd parties. It is not a pressing concern or anything. However, Sonic HAS to return to the next Smash now. 2 games for a 3rd party character is remarkable. I honestly didn't see it happening. If it wasn't for an article I read earlier where Sega alluded to the premise of Sonic being in Smash 4 I would not have seen it coming. Lucario is one of my favorite characters to play. Pokemon is saturated though. If one Pokemon character HAD to go, I would prefer Pokemon Trainer. He wasn't on your list though. Haha. Wolf gets to stay because I used to be a huge Star Fox fan. Wolf was my favorite character. I spent SOOO many hours trying to unlock him in Melee. I would hate to see him leave before Falco because he isn't a clone. He isn't even a semi-clone.
Good opinions and I respect that, thanks again for answering, if need to choose probably will be Snake, Ness for me is enough representation for Earthbound and moveset wise they are so similar so I would not mind seeing him to get the axe, for Lucario is becuase it has a lot of competition between Mewtwo, Jigglypuff and Pokemon Trainer if someone should leave I think is Lucario and for Wolf, I did love StarFox for SNES and even more StarFox64 but the gameplay of Wolf an his Landmaster was a rage moment for me, I was like seriously Sakurai you give to the same series to the three characters the same Final Smash WTF and a similar kit (I haven´t forget about it, so yeah not to fond of the character in Smash, in other games I love him XD).
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Is there a giant ironic and ignorant paragraph of Divine Deity throwing a tantrum above my head? If so can you ask the moderators to swat it away please? There the only ones that can use the insecticide.

I never said that, and he has many abilities that you just don't seem to recognize. HOW, am I shoving it down your throat, I just said that he is a better choice in my opinion, not (OH, pacman has to be in, you MUST allow him in, hrrrrrgg) get your facts straight and actually read the posts.
Not agreeing that they are impressive does not equal unrecognized. You called me immature and ignorant for not agreeing that these are GOOD things, you are shoving your opinion down your throat and getting pissed off.

I'm not insulting you, I'm insulting Pac-Man.

Yeah. He tore me a new one yesterday for WANTING a Yarn Yoshi design. That is why I love him. Haha. :jigglypuffmelee:
You were actually very clearly suggesting it WOULD happen, and never once mentioned wanting him until AFTER. Don't take it personally though. We ALL do this.
 

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Aren't the characters free but the chapters cost money?

Yes, you can technically get them through spotpass, but they're VERY expensive. You can also get them in the DLC chapters, so you're still technically paying for the characters
 

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Divine and Saturn, refrain from trying incite/flame/anger/troll the other user. The mods have talked to you both about this before. As N3ON said, further antagonization will result in infractions.
 

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Is there a giant ironic and ignorant paragraph of Divine Deity throwing a tantrum above my head? If so can you ask the moderators to swat it away please? There the only ones that can use the insecticide.



Not agreeing that they are impressive does not equal unrecognized. You called me immature and ignorant for not agreeing that these are GOOD things, you are shoving your opinion down your throat and getting pissed off.

I'm not insulting you, I'm insulting Pac-Man.


You were actually very clearly suggesting it WOULD happen, and never once mentioned wanting him until AFTER. Don't take it personally though. We ALL do this.
Once again, I mean ONCE AGAIN Noah J. Linderer barks at the big dogs, but when they bite, Noah J. Linderer is afraid to bite back and runs away with his tail in between his legs. As always. :smirk:

Yeah.... it's not like insulting somebody's favorite character isn't insulting them at all. Oh no, OF COURSE NOT. SMH... :facepalm:
 

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I was referring to the roster.
Oh well, I was just talking in general. That's fine then.
Game Boy was represented back in Smash 64 considering it came out before Pokemon Stadium. Ness represented Super Nintendo, and Virtual Boy was a commercial failure with no characters to choose from. (at least significant ones)
Okay well, I understand the Virtual Boy's case but your reasons for not having a Game Boy and SNES rep don't hold up today. Pokémon has gone far from the Game Boy and a character representing that specifically would be perfectly fine (and a good idea too, with a portable Smash and all). The Earthbound / Mother Franchise has gone past the SNES too, but I suppose the reasoning for keeping out a SNES exclusive character is a bit more justified in comparison than a Gameboy exclusive.

Neutral B: Gun (uses pixelated bullets)
Forward B: Horse (kinda similar to Wario's Bike, and you can abandon the poor creature kinda like Mega Man's dog. :troll: (HEY, I just realized Sheriff represents EVR race because he has a horse! :awesome:)
Downward B: Hides behind those thingies in the game. It's like a wooden fort. Kind of hard to describe.
Upward B & Grab: Lasso

FINAL SMASH: SHERIFF (he turns into his "in game" sprite as an overlay appears and starts shooting in whatever direction you choose) I'd say this is one of the most awesome final smashes IMO

Not impressive, but at least it works. I mean I'm not Sakurai. He also has the bandits and vulture to work with.
I basically read Falco / Wario / Pit / Zero Suit Samus / Snake.
Nothing that the character has really makes him stand out in comparison to the other fighters. I mean sure you said it yourself that you aren't Sakurai, but I can't imagine anything past that for Sheriff. He offers nothing new and thats why I 'd much prefer characters like Muddy and Lip.

It is old, historical, and a little obscure which adds a very nice touch to the roster.
He doesn't add to the game balance, I don't think.

Can you find the quote from me. I'm not sure I remember entirely how I said what you are saying.
You didn't exactly say that, it's just how I took you saying that you "don't count recent references".

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OOOOOHHHHH!!! Of course! If it's an obscure character nobody has ever heard of, then let Sakurai sign em up for Smash!
Picking obscure characters that nobody ever heard of / or expected is kind of the reason why Saturn / other people support Sheriff.
 

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Wait till CHRONOBOUND gets on all your ***** like a dog chasing a steak. You'll be sorry. Almost as sorry as the tears that will flow when Chrom is deconfirmed... and Roy is confirmed. :troll:
Look at all the ****s I give. :p

Yes, you can technically get them through spotpass, but they're VERY expensive. You can also get them in the DLC chapters, so you're still technically paying for the characters
Well damn, I was planning on getting Marth, Roy and Ike to have a Smash Bros battalion but I guess that ain't happening today. :(
 

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Alright, enough Noah. Let's make a truce. Let's just stop all of this nonsense right now. Let's put our pride aside for a moment. Put all this behind us, and let's just move on. Let's just move on. To better things. :)
 

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Is there a giant ironic and ignorant paragraph of Divine Deity throwing a tantrum above my head? If so can you ask the moderators to swat it away please? There the only ones that can use the insecticide.



Not agreeing that they are impressive does not equal unrecognized. You called me immature and ignorant for not agreeing that these are GOOD things, you are shoving your opinion down your throat and getting pissed off.

I'm not insulting you, I'm insulting Pac-Man.


You were actually very clearly suggesting it WOULD happen, and never once mentioned wanting him until AFTER. Don't take it personally though. We ALL do this.
I was suggesting that I WOULD like it to happen. Not that it would happen. There is a huge difference. I was just trying to support my argument with things like "why hasn't Sakurai revealed Yoshi yet" or "this is the first Yoshi design since Smashes conception and we have no precedent". I didn't actually imply that it would happen. However, I did imply that it was a possibility.
 

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Have I said ****ing anything about Pac-Man not getting into Smash today?

Wait till CHRONOBOUND gets on all your ***** like a dog chasing a steak. You'll be sorry. Almost as sorry as the tears that will flow when Chrom is deconfirmed... and Roy is confirmed. :troll:

Okay well, I understand the Virtual Boy's case but your reasons for not having a Game Boy and SNES rep don't hold up today. Pokémon has gone far from the Game Boy and a character representing that specifically would be perfectly fine (and a good idea too, with a portable Smash and all). The Earthbound / Mother Franchise has gone past the SNES too, but I suppose the reasoning for keeping out a SNES exclusive character is a bit more justified in comparison to a Gameboy exclusive.
I was just saying we've represented Game Boy & Super Nintendo once before. I don't see why we need to do it again because the franchises moved on to other consoles.
 

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By the way now im sure of something

Sorry guys i think bayonettas chances went from 50/50 to 0% sonic and her are from sega and i think only one rep is allowed for 3rd party characters
 

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Wait till CHRONOBOUND gets on all your ***** like a dog chasing a steak. You'll be sorry. Almost as sorry as the tears that will flow when Chrom is deconfirmed... and Roy is confirmed. :troll:

Look, again i dont have a problem with Chrom. But its getting pretty annoying when all the Chrom supporters are jumping on the Roy supporters. Why can't I just, I dont know, support a character I like and not be criticized for it? Seriously?
Why yes, it's a wonderful world where Chrom supporters hate Roy and his supporters and vice versa.
Keep this in mind, I don't really like chrom either

(And anyone that argues either could bring more then Robin should get ummm... Dead... Ified...)
 

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If Ridley isn't done, why would he even show the stage in the first place? Why wouldn't he dismiss Ridley from the start knowing the type of backlash he'd create? If Sakurai understands that Ridley is a character of great speculation, it would only make sense to make it clear that people shouldn't be putting in investment for said character, which is the complete opposite of what he's doing in making Ridley that much more of an invested character by teasing him. If he's building all this tension for Ridley, what sense would it make to use that tension to upset an entire supportbase? It'd certainly hurt people's outlook on the game more than help it, to say the least. Sakurai is no fool. He's well experienced in building up a series to make it have the best reception possible, be it Kirby, Smash Bros., or revival entirely. This is basic logic that going great lengths to give the finger to an entire fanbase will definitely hurt said reception and I don't think it's out-there to think he believes the same.

My speculation isn't evidence, but it's sound logic nonetheless. Why else would he do this ****?
Dismissing him from the start would create even more. Sakurai doesn't confirm or deconfirm possibilities. He likes to leave things in the air, so telling fans that they shouldn't be supporting a character isn't something he'd do. The tension he's "creating" is only there due to the support base's apprehension. It wouldn't hurt the look of the game significantly, since albeit popular belief, Ridley isn't the deciding factor for most. I acknowledge your point GRC, but your logic isn't the only way of seeing these things, especially in a game such as Smash, things can or can't be so black and white as if there is only one sole explanation for his actions. Said "great lengths" may not be as significant as you make it seem, as this definitely isn't the first time he's let down an entire support base.
 

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I was just saying we've represented Game Boy & Super Nintendo once before. I don't see why we need to do it again because the franchises moved on to other consoles.
But then why would we need to represent the arcade again if it was represented by Mario, Donkey Kong, and Luigi? Despite the fact that they had titles on other systems that weren't arcade machines by Smash's release, what prevents that logic from being applied to not needing to add an Arcade character?
If you're suggesting that we don't need a SNES or Game Boy rep because we have characters that did that before, what's the point of adding any retro character then? I mean we have Mario who pretty much represents every video game console he's been with your logic (Arcade and Virtual Boy included), right? Who's to say he (or Donkey Kong) didn't represent the Arcade in the original Smash?

EDIT: The arcade has been referenced in each game through the Hammer, so that's another thing. I mean you can represent things through stages, items, music, trophies, and even stickers. Sure you're saying that the arcade needs representation, but's had a fair share of it through the years by other means. It doesn't need a character when the memorable ones are already playable (and with Pac-Man possibly making it in, that just helps represent it more right?).
 

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Dismissing him from the start would create even more. Sakurai doesn't confirm or deconfirm possibilities. He likes to leave things in the air, so telling fans that they shouldn't be supporting a character isn't something he'd do. The tension he's "creating" is only there due to the support base's apprehension. It wouldn't hurt the look of the game significantly, since albeit popular belief, Ridley isn't the deciding factor for most. I acknowledge your point GRC, but your logic isn't the only way of seeing these things, especially in a game such as Smash, things can or can't be so black and white as if there is only one sole explanation for his actions. Said "great lengths" may not be as significant as you make it seems, as this definitely isn't the firsttime he's let down an entire support base.
In Smash debates... there can only be ONE logic. The point of this thread is to debate this logic and call your opponents logic... not logic. The victor is measured by whoever has the most likes. I am obviously just joking. In my experience though, people will ignore your logic and pretend that they are more rational with their logic. It is truly pathetic. I am not talking about God Robert's Cousin. Just a general rule on the forums I suppose.
 

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Dismissing him from the start would create even more. Sakurai doesn't confirm or deconfirm possibilities.
Sakurai point blank posted a picture of Toad as Peach's move, while it didn't completely shoot his chances, poor Toad took a great hit nonetheless. He's not above it, especially if it's a crucial part of a stage/character/item/etc. Also, to be honest, it's better to deconfirm something instantly and have the fallout then rather then drag it out and have a ton of fans be even more disappointed later on.

Also, back in Brawl, lets not forget examples like Deoxys.
 

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. The point of this thread is to debate this logic and call your opponents logic... not logic. The victor is measured by whoever has the most likes
That's basically true.Appartently, The outcome of the roster and status of characters is entirely based on how many people on this specific thread agree
 

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By the way now im sure of something

Sorry guys i think bayonettas chances went from 50/50 to 0% sonic and her are from sega and i think only one rep is allowed for 3rd party characters
I'm not saying this should happen but from what I gather 1 rep per company for 3rd parties is a rule we made up. Yeah... It's stupid **** like that which sets us up for surprises. Not saying it will happen mind you but still. Or maybe I'm completely wrong and Sakurai said something about that. In which case I can eat my words. Well at least these words. Because seriously **** Roy :troll:
 

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I'm 50/50 on Ridley at the moment. I was talked into believing that asking for him is simply unreasonable and not something Sakurai would be interested in, but the fact that we've gone so long since the initial Pyrosphere pic leads me to believe he's hinting toward something. Maybe I'm going crazy but the more I think about it the more strange it is that he'd show off so much of this stage (especially that pic that was just a giant hole in the wall) without revealing Ridley as a hazard. I could be looking to much into this, but I'm starting to think he has a shot after all.

I'd want him in, but I'll be honest, I think half the reason I do is just to laugh at everyone who's spent the last several years saying "HE'S TOO BIG!! *snort*"
 

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Also, ROY! :roypm:
Omg, how come I didn't notice this before!?? Thanks for pointing this out.

:marth:x :roypm:

:awesome:

/shot


At any rate, late on this, but I'm overjoyed to see Sonic return. The so-called "guest character" has gotten re-invited to the party, it seems. I'm going to wait and see what happens with Snake, though. Not that I think his chances are 0%... it's just that for the characters that may be on the chopping block, I've lowered my expectations a little. Just a wee bit.. (Though Sonic's reveal gave me more confidence in Snake.)
 
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