Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[FlareHabanero]

Yet I bet these same clowns want Chrom.

Yes they are.

Though, one could argue it's not exactly the same case considering one is a veteran and the other is an unconfirmed newcomer, but it doesn't hold water. I do agree on some points regarding to Toon Link, but not for the hypocritical behavior.

 

[jaytalks]

As I said with 4chan, these same people ironically are probably the biggest Chrom cheerleaders.

The cognitive dissonance is strong within them.

What's with the Chrom assumptions? Chrom has same chance to be original as any other Fire Emblem sword carrying lord.

 

[?????????????]

Honestly, with the reveal of Toon Link, I feel a lot more confident in Chrom over other potential FE newcomers. I think it shows that, despite how similar a character may be, it's more likely that they'll represent the characters who are important right now.

I know my buddy Narutendo is having difficulty fathoming why Sakurai would pick Toon Link over other unique choices; well, I thought it was fair with Wind Waker HD.

Why on Earth would Roy be picked over Chrom at this point? Only scenario to me where THAT happens is if FE6 remake is officially announced.

Of course, this is all speculation, and I could totally be proven wrong.

 

[N3ON]

The point still stands, however, that Toon Link wasn't made at the end of the development's lifespan like he was in Brawl. SSB4 isn't even due until later next year, meaning we're nowhere near the end of SSB4's development either.

We don't know TL was made towards the end of Brawl's development, we just know he was added later than most characters. It could've been a few months later, or over a year later for all we know. Or... he was added at the same time, but as one of the expendables, he wasn't given a large role in some sections of the game in case he was to be cut. All I'm saying is we don't know enough to make these kind of assumptions.

"Wind Waker HD is coming out soon" hardly seems like a reason to take one of your lowest priority characters from the last game and reveal them within the batch of the first 5 veteran reveals. It could be the case, but from a development standpoint it just makes more sense to work on characters whenever they seem relevant within the team's standpoint.

Or it could be that the characters, while not finished, are all in a showable state, and since they can be shown, Nintendo capitalized off that for promotion purposes.

I'm not saying that Jigglypuff and Wolf will be high or even medium priority this time, but I am saying that with most of Brawl's initial four newcomers nowhere to be found, Olimar being the first veteran despite being one of the last revealed starters in Brawl, and Toon Link being one of the first revealed veterans in SSB4, it's very evident this time that SSB4's priority list does not equate to Brawl's and that there is going to be a need for more evidence before one can consider Jigglypuff and Wolf automatically last-minute additions once again.

Order revealed =/= order added to the game.

Olimar was clearly due to promotion. If we had gotten a Wario, Kirby, or Metroid game instead of Pikmin, chances are equally as good we would've seen Wario, MK (or Dedede), or ZSS instead.

We can't pretend to know the priority of the characters at this point. Just because they're being revealed in a strange order (but clearly for promotion) doesn't mean things are largely different in terms of how/when they were added. We're at a point in development far enough that Sakurai/Nintendo could probably show any character on the roster if they wanted to from the first added to the last, assuming there hasn't been a Sonic-type situation.

 

[MagnesD3]

Roy's our boy over chrom and Miss Lyn over every fe character...

 

[Deleted member]

What's with the Chrom assumptions? Chrom has same chance to be original as any other Fire Emblem sword carrying lord.

It's a sin to think of Chrom as anything other than a bland Ike clone.

Just drop the subject now.

 

[Espio264]

@ Mario and Sonic Guy,

Dear God I hope Mewtwo's next.

 

[Frostwraith]

I must admit I will enjoy very much the backslash that will happen if Chrom is confirmed as a playable character. On the other hand, it would make me worry over the return of Ike or Roy.

Chrom being revealed would be quite the bittersweet feeling.

 

[Arcadenik]

LOL... a reveal per week? Well, since a year has 52 weeks... and people say they want 45+ characters...

Okay... let's see... 52 - 16 = 36

So we have 36 unconfirmed characters.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Anna > Chrom please Sakurai..

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Another thing; if characters who are clearly unlockable are being shown off to correspond with release dates, does this spell trouble for Wonder Red, given that he wasn't shown off with the W101 release date? There could be some hesitance to show off newcomers yet, so I wouldn't say that's absolutely the case, but it's worth pondering at least.

Given how he would be a newcomer as well as the introduction to a new franchise in Smash I wouldn't think it would mean anything. We haven't seen any others newcomers this way as of yet, I suspect they'll only reveal veterans by release dates.

 

[MagnesD3]

LOL... a reveal per week? Well, since a year has 52 weeks... and people say they want 45+ characters...

Okay... let's see... 52 - 16 = 36

So we have 36 unconfirmed characters.

Technically the number is at least plausible but I personally think we will be getting 48 characters this time

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Honestly, with the reveal of Toon Link, I feel a lot more confident in Chrom over other potential FE newcomers. I think it shows that, despite how similar a character may be, it's more likely that they'll represent the characters who are important right now.

I know my buddy Narutendo is having difficulty fathoming why Sakurai would pick Toon Link over other unique choices; well, I thought it was fair with Wind Waker HD.

Why on Earth would Roy be picked over Chrom at this point? Only scenario to me where THAT happens is if FE6 remake is officially announced.

Of course, this is all speculation, and I could totally be proven wrong.

The way I read Sakurai's statement on how characers need to be unique to get into Smash Bros it seemed like he was refering to newcomers specifically. He doesn't want to change veterans too drastically since people want to be able to play as their mains again, so that explains Toon Link.

As a newcomer I'm not too sure what unique stuff Chrom can bring to the table, he literally needs to be able to do something that no one else can as Sakurai put it, but on the other hand I can't really imagine any other FE character get in over him. If Sakurai wants Chrom in, then he'll simply make him unique, I still think Chrom is one of the characters with the biggest chance of getting in.

 

[jaytalks]

It's a sin to think of Chrom as anything other than a bland Ike clone.

Just drop the subject now.

It just seems most of us are happy Toon Link is in. Why does anyone gotta bring in the Chrom bashing?

 

[Arcadenik]

I must admit I will enjoy very much the backslash that will happen if Chrom is confirmed as a playable character. On the other hand, it would make me worry over the return of Ike or Roy.

Chrom being revealed would be quite the bittersweet feeling.

Yes, I know... everything comes with a price.

I can't wait for Once Upon a Time (and the spin-off show as well).

 

[?????????????]

It's a sin to think of Chrom as anything other than a bland Ike clone.

Just drop the subject now.

I'm fine with being a sinner.

 

[ChronoBound]

I must admit I will enjoy very much the backslash that will happen if Chrom is confirmed as a playable character. On the other hand, it would make me worry over the return of Ike or Roy.

Chrom being revealed would be quite the bittersweet feeling.

If you want maximum butthurt, the return of Roy will back all the FE13 weeaboos cry into their crusted waifu pillows.

 

[MagnesD3]

Ridley/Krystal/Lyn/jr. With paint/ mewtwo need to happen soon.

 

[?????????????]

Anna > Chrom please Sakurai..

I'm really sorry, but I have to admit, I read that as...

"NO! I don't want to play as the main badass with a sword! I want to be the ****ing merchant!"



...Beedle for SSB4.

 

[Deleted member]

My thoughts on Toon Link's reveal:

- Kind of disappointed that Toon Link is a semi-clone again. Granted, I expected it, but I would have appreciated more lugification, especially after the revamp we saw with Bowser and the new moves Pit has.

- Pretty much disconfirmed Classic Link: If Toon Link was going to get replaced by anyone, it would have been by Classic Link. I don't see us getting three Links this game.

- Bodes well for Lucario and Ike: One thing to take away from this is that a character won't be replaced/cut just because don't have a most recent appearance. Keep in mind that development for a A Link Between Two Worlds started in 2011, so Sakurai clearly must have known of Classic Link's return in time to decide whenever or not he would be in. Ultimately, Toon Link was chosen. This is good for Lucario and Ike because it means that they won't get replaced because they aren't from the most recent generation/most recent Lord.

- Also bodes well for Toad and Ridley: Toon Link's inclusion shows that Sakurai doesn't mind having a playable character also serve a non-playable role (unless Sakurai considered Spirit Track Link to be different). This means that even if Ridley is a stage hazard, he still has a chance of being playable (though that's not to say his chance wouldn't be hurt). It also helps Toad, even if I still feel his chances are low.

- Less possible cuts overall. Toon Link was one of six characters I considered to be possible cuts (along with Snake, Sonic, Lucario, Ike and Pokémon Trainer). With him in, this leaves us with only five possible cuts and even then, the only one I could see getting the axe is Snake (and for very good reasons).

 

[Frostwraith]

If you want maximum butthurt, the return of Roy will back all the FE13 weeaboos cry into their crusted waifu pillows.

Out of curiosity, what makes you think that?

 

[ChronoBound]

I'm really sorry, but I have to admit, I read that as...

"NO! I don't want to play as the main badass with a sword! I want to be the ****ing merchant!"



...Beedle for SSB4.

Chrom is not a badass.

 

[Seraphim.]

Congrats to the Toonlink fans, I guess you all can feel relieved now.

 

[Baskerville]

Chrom can easily be different enough to warrant a slot.
But you can say the same thing for a lot of other characters.

 

[ChronoBound]

Out of curiosity, what makes you think that?

Because the FE13 fanboys are really fanatical in general. Just ask Habanero about it. There is like crazy cults for minor FE13 characters over at GameFAQs and 4chan.

 

[?????????????]

Chrom is not a badass.

Well, that's a matter of opinion, and I'd have to disagree.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

It just seems most of us are happy Toon Link is in. Why does anyone gotta bring in the Chrom bashing?

Probably because of the too many swordsmen statement? Still, it's quite possible that Chrom will make the cut with the latest Fire Emblem title.

 

[Deleted member]

I must admit I will enjoy very much the backslash that will happen if Chrom is confirmed as a playable character. On the other hand, it would make me worry over the return of Ike or Roy.

Chrom being revealed would be quite the bittersweet feeling.

Considering how expected Chrom is, I don't think there will be much of a backlash surrounding his inclusion (I'd imagine a more neutral response if anything). That's more for characters like R.O.B. (although the backlash wasn't justified and was a bunch of fans pissed off because their favorite character didn't get in and blamed it on R.O.B.). However, if in the incredibly off-chance Chrom replaced Ike, there would be a generally antagonistic reaction towards Chrom (and I wouldn't blame them, I see no good reasons why Chrom should replace Ike).

 

[jaytalks]

If you want maximum butthurt, the return of Roy will back all the FE13 weeaboos cry into their crusted waifu pillows.

I've looking for those. Where do I get them again?

And Anna is Fire Emblem.

 

[Xhampi]

Tom Nook is the best merchant

 

[Deleted member]

True maximum butthurt; neither of the "clone" swordsmen get in and FE gets no newcomer.

At the rate we're going, that's becoming the best option.

 

[BluePikmin11]

My thoughts on Toon Link's reveal:

- Kind of disappointed that Toon Link is a semi-clone again. Granted, I expected it, but I would have appreciated more lugification, especially after the revamp we saw with Bowser and the new moves Pit has.

- Pretty much disconfirmed Classic Link: If Toon Link was going to get replaced by anyone, it would have been by Classic Link. I don't see us getting three Links this game.

- Bodes well for Lucario and Ike: One thing to take away from this is that a character won't be replaced/cut just because don't have a most recent appearance. Keep in mind that development for a A Link Between Two Worlds started in 2011, so Sakurai clearly must have known of Classic Link's return in time to decide whenever or not he would be in. Ultimately, Toon Link was chosen. This is good for Lucario and Ike because it means that they won't get replaced because they aren't from the most recent generation/most recent Lord.

- Also bodes well for Toad and Ridley: Toon Link's inclusion shows that Sakurai doesn't mind having a playable character also serve a non-playable role (unless Sakurai considered Spirit Track Link to be different). This means that even if Ridley is a stage hazard, he still has a chance of being playable (though that's not to say his chance wouldn't be hurt). It also helps Toad, even if I still feel his chances are low.

- Less possible cuts overall. Toon Link was one of six characters I considered to be possible cuts (along with Snake, Sonic, Lucario, Ike and Pokémon Trainer). With him in, this leaves us with only five possible cuts and even then, the only one I could see getting the axe is Snake (and for very good reasons).

Also helping Nintendog's chances!

 

[Espio264]

LOL... a reveal per week? Well, since a year has 52 weeks... and people say they want 45+ characters...

Okay... let's see... 52 - 16 = 36

So we have 36 unconfirmed characters.

When the Brawl reveals were happening there was a span of time, a few months, where there was a reveal just about every week. It stopped after Dedede, and we randomly got Olimar and Shiek many months later and then nothing else until the Japanese release in february. Who's to say we won't get information chunks and then gaps again this time?

No there aren't 36 unconfirmed characters left, and I'll never imply that there will be, but wouldn't you **** yourself with happiness if that came true?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Tom Nook is the best merchant

Tom Nook = Anna
Tom x Anna = born to happen.

 

[Deleted member]

Also helping Nintendog's chances!

Not really since Nintendogs doesn't work as a fighter.

 

[Deleted member]

How in the **** does Toon Link's reveal help something that wouldn't be a character anyway?

 

[?????????????]

And Anna is Fire Emblem.

?

...

???

....this thing=Anna?

 

[N3ON]

True maximum butthurt; neither of the "clone" swordsmen get in and FE gets no newcomer.

At the rate we're going, that's becoming the best option.

The best option will be whatever Sakurai chooses, because Sakurai can do no wrong.

And after we find out the outcome of FE, it will suddenly be the outcome most people actually supported all along.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Tom x Anna = born to happen.

Thanks, you just murdered my brain.

You now owe me over 9000 bells for surgery.

 

[Frostwraith]

Because the FE13 fanboys are really fanatical in general. Just ask Habanero about it. There is like crazy cults for minor FE13 characters over at GameFAQs and 4chan.

Well, that's true. I lurk the GFAQs boards all the time and there is a good amount of people who fit that bill.

Could it be due to FE:A selling more than previous FE games? There are many people who stated that Awakening was their first FE game. It might be a factor to consider and that Sakurai might consider...

Anyway, fanboys are fanboys... You can't really expect much logic from them.

As for me, i liked Awakening (it was my second FE game after Radiant Dawn), but I'm not really wanting Chrom to be in SSB4 (but I don't mind him either). I'll be content with just Marth, Roy and/or Ike.