Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[FlareHabanero]

Why do I get the feeling that a lot of people saying Chrom is bland are Roy and/or Ike fans who perceive Chrom as a threat to their spots on the roster?

No, I'm saying Chrom is bland is because he offers nothing to the diversity of the roster, with literally the only saving grace is people dry humping sale numbers as a shallow justification. Nobody would even care about Chrom if it wasn't for the sales of Fire Emblem: Awakening and being recent.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

That you are blind to the possibility of Chrom ending up being a retread of Ike shows your fanboyism.

Everyone else ASIDE from the Chrom fanboys can obviously see this.

I never said he couldn't be a clone. Chrom COULD become what you THINK he will be. But there is no proof that he will be a clone, and I don't WANT him to be a clone or replace anybody. I would be a bit upset if he were a clone.

Roy has the potential to be the exact same as he was in Melee. Will that happen? Maybe, maybe not.

Potential =/= end result.

 

[ChronoBound]

One example does not make the norm, Chrom has just as much a chance to be unique as he does being an Ike clone, it's not nearly as cut-and-dry as you're making it out to be.

Naw, according to the FE13 fanboys there is ABSOLUTELY no chance that Chrom could be based off of Ike or even replace him. To even suggest otherwise is heresy.

Fanboyism makes people stupid.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Toon Link aesthetically was a bigger contrast to Twilight Princess Link than Chrom is to Ike and has far more notable differing abilities (Hurricane Spin, Deku Leaf, Tingle Tuner, Bombchus, Skull Hammer) yet TL turned out to be the cloniest clone in Brawl.

That is different. Sakurai has stated before that enjoys the fact that Toon Link and Link are alike in moveset and would prefer to keep it that way, he's PURPOSELY made that way, especially as, at the core, they're the same character within different worlds, and although Toon Link has more personality, he's given said personality by the use of all his facial animations.

Chrom and Ike, on the other hand, are not like that. Chrom has more than enough to be his own character (As I proved) and I'm sure that IS thinks the same way, especially since he is most likely IS' choice of representative as I'm sure the incredible success of Awakening means alot to IS, Chrom being at the core as the main protagonist of the title.

No, I'm saying Chrom is bland is because he offers nothing to the diversity of the roster, with literally the only saving grace is people dry humping sale numbers as a shallow justification. Nobody would even care about Chrom if it wasn't for the sales of Fire Emblem: Awakening and being recent.

I, once again, concur.

 

[BluePikmin11]

It's not too hard for Chrom to be different from other characters.. unless you are really trying to say he's a bland character.

 

[ChronoBound]

I never said I was blind to anything. Chrom COULD become what you THINK he will be. But there is no proof that he will be a clone, and I don't WANT him to be a clone or replace anybody. I would be a bit upset if he were a clone.

You have to be a fool to say that considering Chrom has strong aestethic and ability similarities to Ike.

Wolf had more differing abilities than Fox (especially from Command) yet still ended up sharing his specials and Final Smash with Fox, despite another Fox clone already being in the game.

So you absolutely cannot say that the chance for Chrom to be a retread of Ike is negligible when there are aspects to the character's design (heck, even look at Chrom's concept art) that harken back to Ike.

 

[Arcadenik]

Nobody would even care about Roy if it wasn't for Roy being a last-minute filler clone in Melee.

 

[ChronoBound]

I never said I was blind to anything. Chrom COULD become what you THINK he will be. But there is no proof that he will be a clone, and I don't WANT him to be a clone or replace anybody. I would be a bit upset if he were a clone.

You have to be a fool to say that considering Chrom has strong aestethic and ability similarities to Ike.

Wolf had more differing abilities than Fox (especially from Command) yet still ended up sharing his specials and Final Smash with Fox, despite another Fox clone already being in the game.

So you absolutely cannot say that the chance for Chrom to be a retread of Ike is negligible when there are aspects to the character's design (heck, even look at Chrom's concept art) that harken back to Ike.

 

[BKupa666]

Naw, according to the FE13 fanboys there is ABSOLUTELY no chance that Chrom could be based off of Ike or even replace him. To even suggest otherwise is heresy.

Fanboyism makes people stupid.

No fan ever wants to believe their character could possibly be a clone. This is why discussing clone potential is a taboo when discussing characters like Bowser Jr. and Dixie, in that those fans know their character would face backlash if they were even remotely similar to Bowser or Diddy, even though it actually helps their chances (you discussed this in your writeup about the former).

 

[Diddy Kong]

But Dixie with Peanut Popguns and the Rocketbarrel can't do Bkupa... That's just terrible. Dixie at least should be a semi-clone with unique specials, at least for B and Up B. Bowser Jr. could look like a believable clone of new Bowser though... Chrom as an Ike clone? Cool. Roy as a Marth clone? Also cool.

 

[Arcadenik]

No fan ever wants to believe their character could possibly be a clone. This is why discussing clone potential is a taboo when discussing characters like Bowser Jr. and Dixie, in that those fans know their character would face backlash if they were even remotely similar to Bowser or Diddy, even though it actually helps their chances (you discussed this in your writeup about the former).

And this is why we should support Duck Hunt Dog. There's no way he could be a clone of anyone.

 

[ChronoBound]

Chrom being at the core as the main protagonist of the title.

Animal Crossing sold far more than FE13, yet AC had no playable character in Brawl.

Secondly, the My Unit is just as much a main character as Chrom is in FE13, and actually is not a retread of a previous lord.

As I keep saying, the Chrom fanboys are living inside their own bubble. They can't see or understand what Chrom looks like to those who did not play or did not enjoy FE13, and they absolutely cannot see/understand that at this point that adding in Chrom after already having Marth, Roy, and Ike would be a trainwreck.

If we are going to have an entirely new FE character to Smash Bros., Sakurai and IS would be best off showing off a character that contrasts him/herself to Marth, Roy, and Ike, and really to Smash Bros. as a whole.

 

[Arcanir]

Naw, according to the FE13 fanboys there is ABSOLUTELY no chance that Chrom could be based off of Ike or even replace him. To even suggest otherwise is heresy.

Fanboyism makes people stupid.

Absolutely no chance? Of course not, but then again by that logic Ridley is doomed to be a Charizard clone. Of course he could be, but it's just as silly to say he will absolutely be as it is to say he absolutely won't be. I'm surprised that you're so adamant that he will be and ignore any other possibilities that can be considered in making him unique.

 

[ChronoBound]

Absolutely no chance? Of course not, but then again by that logic Ridley is doomed to be a Charizard clone. Of course he could be, but it's just as silly to say he will absolutely be as it is to say he absolutely won't be.

No, they are saying that the chances of Chrom being based off of Ike are negligible or small, when its much higher than that.

Nobody would even care about Roy if it wasn't for Roy being a last-minute filler clone in Melee.

No one would care for Chrom if he was not from the most recent Fire Emblem game. If another FE had been released after FE13 with a lord that is not a blue-haired swordsmen (and especially a female non-sword wielder), Chrom would be receiving barely any requests for Smash 4.

See how that works?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Chrom can do two attacks extremely similar to Ike's Quick Draw and Aether, only Quick Draw would be Aether, and Aether is some generic attack. Neutral B would be as ass-pulled as Ike's, and Down B = Counter for all Fire Emblem characters ever.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

If only Chrom had red hair, then he'd be unique.

 

[BKupa666]

But Dixie with Peanut Popguns and the Rocketbarrel can't do Bkupa... That's just terrible. Dixie at least should be a semi-clone with unique specials, at least for B and Up B. Bowser Jr. could look like a believable clone of new Bowser though... Chrom as an Ike clone? Cool. Roy as a Marth clone? Also cool.

I thought her borrowing Tiny's feathers was obvious enough as Neutral Special, though her Up Special would be her Helicopter Spin. Personally speaking, I don't buy the idea of her being unique from Diddy because of having an additional arm because, if you implement Diddy's tail in just a few more moves, you can say the exact same thing about him.

In general, discussing the potential cloniness of a character isn't a bad thing; the current semi-clones seem to resemble their original counterparts because it makes sense for them to, the Spacies having access to similar technology, for example, Link being a touch faster as his younger self, and the Mario Bros. being, well, bros. I interpret it as part of the alleged "charm" Sakurai implements into rosters on the whole.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Animal Crossing sold far more than FE13, yet AC had no playable character in Brawl.

Secondly, the My Unit is just as much a main character as Chrom is in FE13, and actually is not a retread of a previous lord.

As I keep saying, the Chrom fanboys are living inside their own bubble. They can't see or understand what Chrom looks like to those who did not play or did not enjoy FE13, and they absolutely cannot see/understand that at this point that adding in Chrom after already having Marth, Roy, and Ike would be a trainwreck.

If we are going to have an entirely new FE character to Smash Bros., Sakurai and IS would be best off showing off a character that contrasts him/herself to Marth, Roy, and Ike, and really to Smash Bros. as a whole.

First off buddy, I'm not a Chrom fanboy. I support a newcomer for Fire Emblem, and the newcomer I prefer is Chrom Or Nowi, but that's never going to happen.

I see no problem in his inclusion in terms of appearance, to those who haven't played Awakening, Chrom would be a diverse main character who wields multiple weapon types and uses mechanics exclusive to Awakening. And also...I find it quite odd that you say adding Chrom is a trainwreck when Roy is, plain and simple, one of the worst character additions in Smash Bros as it completely went against everything Smash Bros stands for.

Smash Bros is a game about Nintendo All-Stars...your favorite Nintendo characters...a character added in to promote a new game that didn't even exist at the time is NOT an All-Star. And basically, if Roy wasn't there, he never would have been considered for future Smash titles, and even then he was considered as a last minute clone of the much more popular and well-received Marth.

 

[Arcanir]

No, they are saying that the chances of Chrom being based off of Ike are negligible or small, when its much higher than that.

I don't know about "much higher," he has a chance but to ignore everything that can make him unique is being just as blind as the fanboys you're accusing. He can be made unique, there's the tools in his damn game to do it, he's not nearly as doomed as you're saying.

Honestly, do not mistake me for a fanboy, I just see what can be done with the character and I think you're overlooking it.

 

[ChronoBound]

If only Chrom had red hair, then he'd be unique.

There is a lot more going against Chrom than hair color.

 

[FlareHabanero]

If only Chrom had red hair, then he'd be unique.

That wouldn't save him, at all.

 

[Hotfeet444]

There is a lot more going against Chrom than hair color.

You're right...no capes, that's too trendy.

 

[ChronoBound]

Smash Bros is a game about Nintendo All-Stars...your favorite Nintendo characters...a character added in to promote a new game that didn't even exist at the time is NOT an All-Star. And basically, if Roy wasn't there, he never would have been considered for future, and even then he was considered as a last minute clone of the much more popular and well-received Marth.

Roy brought tons of people to the Fire Emblem series, and Sakurai even thought he would. Sakurai thought he could promote the FE series as a whole better than anyone else at the time for a second FE character.

The thing is that in terms of choosing a Marth clone at the time, he basically was right.

Not to mention, FE6 is one of the most popular games in the series in Japan (its even received better than FE13 for example).

So I don't know how you can get off that Roy is not a Nintendo all-star.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Just a joke... just a joke.

 

[Arcadenik]

If only Chrom had red hair, then he'd be unique.

But Chrom cannot have red hair... he would be copying Roy! He should have had green hair and then we would not be debating about Chrom right now.

 

[Chandeelure]

I thought her borrowing Tiny's feathers was obvious enough as Neutral Special, though her Up Special would be her Helicopter Spin. Personally speaking, I don't buy the idea of her being unique from Diddy because of having an additional arm because, if you implement Diddy's tail in just a few more moves, you can say the exact same thing about him.

In general, discussing the potential cloniness of a character isn't a bad thing; the current semi-clones seem to resemble their original counterparts because it makes sense for them to, the Spacies having access to similar technology, for example, Link being a touch faster as his younger self, and the Mario Bros. being, well, bros. I interpret it as part of the alleged "charm" Sakurai implements into rosters on the whole.

And Captain Falcon and Ganondorf being ...oh wait XD

 

[Depressed Gengar]

And this is why we should support Duck Hunt Dog. There's no way he could be a clone of anyone.

Ganondorf says hi.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

come here, see FE. I think Chrom is bland and would probably be similar to, if not a clone of Ike.

 

[ChronoBound]

You're right...no capes, that's too trendy.

Chrom fanboys seem to have nothing but snark to support their character it seems.

 

[Arcadenik]

Ganondorf says hi.

Duck Hunt Dog doesn't have a body build that is similar to any existing character.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh great, just what I needed to log on to, another ****ing Fire Emblem war.

Sakurai should just keep Marth and Ike and add no one else.
That way, everyone is equally unhappy and there is no more ******** and fighting over the two "clone" options.

EDIT: Forgot Ike.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

But Chrom cannot have red hair... he would be copying Roy! He should have had green hair and then we would not be debating about Chrom right now.

Then we'd get arguments on whether or not Alm should be in instead. Chrom should just shave his head, then he would be seen as the most original Fire Emblem character ever.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Can we just add no new Fire Emblem characters at all and save ourselves the headache of Chrom versus Roy? Frankly neither of them seem like they're an essential addition to Smash Bros.

And god damnit I better not hear someone suggest Lucina, Robin, Anna, Owain, etc. from Awakening.
You're especially evil if you say someone outside of Awakening altogether.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I really don't see the appeal with Chrom, he's a generic character and he doesn't seem to have much potential for a moveset, his game would have also been out for 3 years by the time SSB4 comes out.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Can we just add no new Fire Emblem characters at all and save ourselves the headache of Chrom versus Roy? Frankly neither of them seem like they're an essential addition to Smash Bros.

And god damnit I better not hear someone suggest Lucina, Robin, Anna, Owain, etc. from Awakening.
You're especially evil if you say someone outside of Awakening altogether.

Lyn ftw.

 

[Deleted member]

Can we just add no new Fire Emblem characters at all and save ourselves the headache of Chrom versus Roy? Frankly neither of them seem like they're an essential addition to Smash Bros.

And god damnit I better not hear someone suggest Lucina, Robin, Anna, Owain, etc. from Awakening.
You're especially evil if you say someone outside of Awakening altogether.

Hear hear.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

The one Fire Emblem character I think should be in is Hardin, but all people want are pretty boy swordsmen.

 

[BKupa666]

And Captain Falcon and Ganondorf being ...oh wait XD

Being fodder for people grasping at straws when claiming characters like Charizard/Bowser and Ridley or Dedede/Bowser and K. Rool would be clones because Ganondorf happened to be the unlucky b*stard to most closely resemble Falcon's body build during Melee's rushed development when one final clone was needed?

 

[ChronoBound]

Sorry for being a bit harsh, but we really don't know what's going to happen. Sakurai has basically done nothing but defy expectations and predictions so far with Smash 4. So to say, "Sakurai has done this in the past..." is not going to cut it this time.

At best, we can only look at Sakurai's statements that he has made NOW, and make assessments off of that, but even then Sakurai is proving more erratic than ever.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Lyn ftw.

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/1876-****-is-imminent.png
AHAHAHAHAHA

Get out of my face.