Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Hotfeet444]

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There are already good videos about that, and I would probably cover that as it is. I'm either going to do videos about all newcomers, or on a character by character basis.

How about Moveset analysis or critiques? I've got a ton of them you could take a look at.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

What does that have to do with anything I said? His family appeared twice before Brawl, if he was really important, he would have been in the game and not such a low priority.

Mewtwo didn't get in. I guess that means he's not important. (Roy & Mewtwo had the most data by the way. Just because Ike was more important doesn't make Roy unimportant)

 

[Louie G.]

Oh, my god are you freaking kidding me? Another one!? Dude, Ike is the second most popular lord and got 2 installments. Chrom had neither of these. You should probably look into these things.



How about you educate people why Ike and Lucario REALLY got into Brawl. They did NOT get in because of recency like so many ignorant people claim and it's getting more annoying than saying "Ridley is too big"

I do look into these. Every single day.
I remember reading that Sakurai asked IS about who they want him to use, and how he used the most recent protagonist. He didn't know who to use, and Ike was ultimately recommended and chosen.

 

[Jaedrik]

Because Fire Emblem characters are usually chosen for being the most recurring.

WELL, IN THAT CASE I SUPPOSE YOU SUPPORT ANNA, FRIEND? :3

I don't think Roy coming back is even a possibility at this point.
I can't see Fire Emblem getting more than 3 reps in Smash 4, and I believe it's getting 2.
Marth, Ike and Chrom, or more likely, Marth and Chrom.

Sir, I would advise you against language of absolutes, as where humans are concerned, especially the curious Sakurai, we don't know what may happen.

If the ladies and gentlemen here would like to see my opinion, I believe it is entirely possible and most probable that Fire Emblem will indeed get three slots, and those slots should be Marth, Ike, and Anna. I would not be displeased with many of the delicious alternatives, but that would be best, if I am anyone who tries to preform apologetics with Sakurai.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I do look into these. Every single day.
I remember reading that Sakurai asked IS about who they want him to use, and how he used the most recent protagonist. He didn't know who to use, and Ike was ultimately recommended and chosen.

Sakurai used a character who was red. I guess that means it's the sole reason he chose him.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I'd also like to add that there is really no reason to add Roy besides his appearance in Melee and his current popularity. There is no advertisement to take from him, there is no reason to add him over several other lords, etc... With Chrom, you have just as much to work with as you do with Roy, he has a game that he can advertise (thus making Nintendo more money, which is the bottom line).

Roy really just isn't as likely, no matter how you slice it. There is absolutely no reason to put him over Marth or Ike, so his only hope is if Chrom isn't going to be added. I just don't see why Sakurai would do that at this point in time. That's like adding a previously popular Pokemon over Mewtwo or a Pokemon that is in the middle of high exposure to the media etc... It just doesn't make any sense.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Mewtwo didn't get in. I guess that means he's not important.

Mewtwo was already proven to practically be on the verge of being finished, and if it wasn't for the petitions that were signed by ignorant fanboys to take Mewtwo out because they thought he was a bad character and nothing more, NONE of that would've happened!

Oh, my god are you freaking kidding me? Another one!? Dude, Ike is the second most popular lord and got 2 installments. Chrom had neither of these. You should probably look into these things.

Ike got in because he's practically America's equivalent of Marth, a large protagonist who starred in one of the first main games tat made it overseas, he was a character that people connected with on an international level, making him easily one of the most popular characters, while Marth for the most part was still mainly loved by Japan. It was representing the different country's picks, Marth with Japan and Ike with America, both being the most popular Fire Emblem character in said country. THAT is why Ike got in, and he was also good advertising for Radiant Dawn, as I believe he was announced around said game's release date.

 

[Louie G.]

Sakurai used a character who was red. I guess that means it's the sole reason he chose him.

Although Ike was very popular, a lot of his popularity comes from Super Smash Bros, like Roy's.
I'm sure there were other factors in his inclusion, but chief among these were recency.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

WELL, IN THAT CASE I SUPPOSE YOU SUPPORT ANNA, FRIEND? :3

Anna doesn't have a major role and was only playable in Awakening.

I'd also like to add that there is really no reason to add Roy besides his appearance in Melee and his current popularity. There is no advertisement to take from him, there is no reason to add him over several other lords, etc... With Chrom, you have just as much to work with as you do with Roy, he has a game that he can advertise (thus making Nintendo more money, which is the bottom line).

Roy really just isn't as likely, no matter how you slice it. There is absolutely no reason to put him over Marth or Ike, so his only hope is if Chrom isn't going to be added. I just don't see why Sakurai would do that at this point in time. That's like adding a previously popular Pokemon over Mewtwo or a Pokemon that is in the middle of high exposure to the media etc... It just doesn't make any sense.

Like I said, Roy's family appeared twice in the series. Just like Ike appeared twice and Marth appeared several times.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Anna doesn't have a major role and was only playable in Awakening.


Like I said, Roy's family appeared twice in the series. Just like Ike appeared twice and Marth appeared several times.

His family hasn't appeared since Brawl. So I don't really see why that matters, especially when Chroms bloodline has appeared multiple times considering he is a descendant of Marth. Also, he can't have had a second game, because he JUST debuted.

 

[Jaedrik]

Anna doesn't have a major role and was only playable in Awakening.

No major role? Says you.

 

[Louie G.]

I think we can all agree that Frederick would be the best choice.
Because he always wins.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Just to clarify, Ike didn't get in because he was recent.

He got in because IS suggested him as Sakurai didn't know who to add. We don't know IS' reasoning though. So anything is really a guess at this point. Saying Ike got in because of recency can't be proven or disproven. Regardless Ike has more reasons to stay than Roy did, so I feel that Ike is much safer.

Now the reason Sakurai didn't know who to add was because of there being a large amount of lords released during that time. That is not the case this time around. Chrom and Lucina are the only new lords. So Sakurai may not even go to IS for a suggestion this time. He may already have an idea in mind, whatever that idea may be.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Anna doesn't have a major role and was only playable in Awakening.

Also played a big role in the DLC of Awakening.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. Keep talking about sales and advertisement, somehow that will fix Chrom's really lame potential eventually.

 

[Louie G.]

I love how people get so angry when other people bring up obvious character choices that they don't like.
Examples: Chrom, Mii, Pac-Man, Ridley...

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Why are you people referring to game franchises as "families", now? Wouldn't series be better?

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[Hotfeet444]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. Keep talking about sales and advertisement, somehow that will fix Chrom's really lame potential eventually.

When you say potential, what do you even mean? Difference in moveset? That's cake. His only recent appearance? As the protagonist of the most successful game in the franchise. I fail to see how Chrom comes across as "Lame Potential" when he's easily IS's go-to character to show off the success of their most recent title.

 

[Louie G.]

Your reaction: Chrom gets in over Marth.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Your reaction: Chrom gets in over Marth.

I have no reaction to that as it will never happen.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Your reaction: Chrom gets in over Marth.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

No major role? Says you.

Being a tutorial icon isn't really considered a major role.

His family hasn't appeared since Brawl. So I don't really see why that matters, especially when Chroms bloodline has appeared multiple times considering he is a descendant of Marth. Also, he can't have had a second game, because he JUST debuted.

Except Marth's family is already represented, and why does it matter if his family hasn't appeared since Brawl? Ike's family didn't appear since Brawl, I guess he's now shunned from Fire Emblem history.

Although Ike was very popular, a lot of his popularity comes from Super Smash Bros, like Roy's.
I'm sure there were other factors in his inclusion, but chief among these were recency.

And you base this off of absolutely nothing.

Mewtwo was already proven to practically be on the verge of being finished,

So was Roy

and if it wasn't for the petitions that were signed by ignorant fanboys to take Mewtwo out because they thought he was a bad character and nothing more, NONE of that would've happened!

Prove that to me please, Hotfeet111. Are you saying that Sakurai listens to petitions to take out characters and would have kept Mewtwo if there were none regardless of the fact that there was not time to add him alongside Pokemon Trainer & Lucario who were bigger priority at the time?

Ike got in because he's practically America's equivalent of Marth, a large protagonist who starred in one of the first main games tat made it overseas, he was a character that people connected with on an international level, making him easily one of the most popular characters, while Marth for the most part was still mainly loved by Japan. It was representing the different country's picks, Marth with Japan and Ike with America, both being the most popular Fire Emblem character in said country. THAT is why Ike got in, and he was also good advertising for Radiant Dawn, as I believe he was announced around said game's release date.

NUH-UH!!!!!!!!! HE GAWT INN BEECUZ UV REESENSEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

When you say potential, what do you even mean? Difference in moveset? That's cake. His only recent appearance? As the protagonist of the most successful game in the franchise. I fail to see how Chrom comes across as "Lame Potential" when he's easily IS's go-to character to show off the success of their most recent title.

This. Not to mention, all Roy has to set him apart (that is frequently used to defend him) is fire. Doesn't Chrom have blue fire at one point or another? If he does, then there is no advantage to Roy.

I'm not even arguing for Chrom over Roy on a personal level. I'm arguing on a logical level.

EDIT: Recency likely was a very small part of Ike and Roy. Why would Intelligent Systems suggest a Lord that they can't make money off of? "Ike's our newest guy from our newest game, which is still on shelves and can make us money...screw that let's suggest Ephraim because he's different. Clearly adding a character from an old game we can't make any more money off of is the logical choice"

See how ridiculous that sounds?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Yeah, differences in moveset my ass. Enjoy your last minute clone of Ike, because that's the best you'll ever get out of the guy.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Also played a big role in the DLC of Awakening.

DLC is not considered a big role either! Without your money she wouldn't even have that role in your copy of the game and it's not even part of the main game or story.

This. Not to mention, all Roy has to set him apart (that is frequently used to defend him) is fire. Doesn't Chrom have blue fire at one point or another? If he does, then there is no advantage to Roy.

I'm not even arguing for Chrom over Roy on a personal level. I'm arguing on a logical level.

The appearance of Takamaru's Flame Sword and Chrom having blue fire takes away Roy's uniqueness entirely.

 

[Louie G.]

Being a tutorial icon isn't really considered a major role.


Except Marth's family is already represented, and why does it matter if his family hasn't appeared since Brawl? Ike's family didn't appear since Brawl, I guess he's now shunned from Fire Emblem history.


And you base this off of absolutely nothing.


So was Roy

Prove that to me please, Hotfeet111. Are you saying that Sakurai listens to petitions to take out characters and would have kept Mewtwo if there were none regardless of the fact that there was not time to add him alongside Pokemon Trainer & Lucario who were bigger priority at the time?



NUH-UH!!!!!!!!! HE GAWT INN BEECUZ UV REESENSEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sakurai stated he wanted to use the most recent lord.
If Ike swapped places with Roy, Roy would probably be in Brawl, and everyone would be crying for Ike back.
And supposedly Roy was like 30-40% done, not even half way.

Edit: I can't believe I accidentally said crippling over crying.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Sakurai will most likely ignore your opinions and continue on developing Chrom as a Smash character anyways.

 

[Louie G.]

Sakurai will most likely ignore your opinions and continue on developing Chrom as a Smash character anyways.

Who are you kidding?
He's done developing Chrom!

 

[ChronoBound]

I'd also like to add that there is really no reason to add Roy besides his appearance in Melee and his current popularity. There is no advertisement to take from him, there is no reason to add him over several other lords, etc... With Chrom, you have just as much to work with as you do with Roy, he has a game that he can advertise (thus making Nintendo more money, which is the bottom line).

Roy really just isn't as likely, no matter how you slice it. There is absolutely no reason to put him over Marth or Ike, so his only hope is if Chrom isn't going to be added. I just don't see why Sakurai would do that at this point in time. That's like adding a previously popular Pokemon over Mewtwo or a Pokemon that is in the middle of high exposure to the media etc... It just doesn't make any sense.

And there is absolutely no reason to add Chrom aside from recency. If he fails to make it for Smash 4, any "popularity" he has is going to evaporate.

Chrom has to be the overall blandest possible newcomer addition to Smash 4.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Sakurai stated he wanted to use the most recent lord.

Post that statement and a link to it RIGHT NOW!

 

[ChronoBound]

Yeah, differences in moveset my ***. Enjoy your last minute clone of Ike, because that's the best you'll ever get out of the guy.

That is the best case scenario. More likely we get a Chrom that is an Ike clone and kicks out Ike altogether.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'm still betting on Chrom+Lucina.

 

[Hotfeet444]

NUH-UH!!!!!!!!! HE GAWT INN BEECUZ UV REESENSEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've never met Ree Sensee, is he nice? Must be if he got Ike into Brawl.

 

[Jaedrik]

Being a tutorial icon isn't really considered a major role.

Forgive me for the quick response, I felt like I had to get another word in before I went and ate a burrito and stuff. My impression of you was that you're always quite serious and hostile, and I'm not so sure of that any more. <3
Anyways, you're forgetting everything else she does and is, as well the simple fact of her reoccurrence and as the mascot of Fire Emblem should be boosts in her regard by themselves as well.
But I suppose if we go by the traditional definition of a 'major role' as being relegated to Lord only, then you're right, but in every other way she's got medals and pins and stars and badges of merit.

 

[ChronoBound]

Its going to be hilarious if Ridley fails to get in, no DK newcomer, Chrom replacing Ike.

I wonder what much of the Smash Bros. fanbase will think of Sakurai after that.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Yeah, differences in moveset my ***. Enjoy your last minute clone of Ike, because that's the best you'll ever get out of the guy.

Last minute clone of Ike?

You'll have to excuse me if I say Bull**** to that good sir.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

And there is absolutely no reason to add Chrom aside from recency. If he fails to make it for Smash 4, any "popularity" he has is going to evaporate.

Chrom has to be the overall blandest possible newcomer addition to Smash 4.

In your opinion, he is the blandest addition. On the business side of things, there is plenty of money to be made for IS if Chrom gets in.

If Sakurai asks Intelligent Systems, which he probably will because the Fire Emblem characters are their property, why in the world would THEY suggest Roy over Chrom? There is absolutely no reason to add him over a character that is still in the media, and can create profit. They can't do that with Roy. That's fact.

 

[ChronoBound]

The appearance of Takamaru's Flame Sword and Chrom having blue fire takes away Roy's uniqueness entirely.

Too bad aesthetically Chrom comes across as an Ike cosplayer, and the "blue fire" barely makes an appearance in FE13.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

And there is absolutely no reason to add Chrom aside from recency. If he fails to make it for Smash 4, any "popularity" he has is going to evaporate.

Chrom has to be the overall blandest possible newcomer addition to Smash 4.

There's always Pac-Man, Louie, Ninten, and Dixie Kong.

I'm still betting on Chrom+Lucina.

Where is the logic in that? Popo & Nana were the same shape, weight, and character with the excetption of Gender. That's why they and say someone like Plusle & Minun work as duos. Chrom & Lucina are different classes of being and have different abilities and are not well known for being together all the time. Having them as a duo along with the kinds of attacks they have does NOT work. If Sakurai couldn't make Diddy & Dixie work what would make you assume something even more stupid would work?

In your opinion, he is the blandest addition. On the business side of things, there is plenty of money to be made for IS if Chrom gets in.

If Sakurai asks Intelligent Systems, which he probably will because the Fire Emblem characters are their property, why in the world would THEY suggest Roy over Chrom? There is absolutely no reason to add him over a character that is still in the media, and can create profit. They can't do that with Roy. That's fact.

Well, considering they haven't attempted to do that yet, it is NOT fact.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Last minute clone of Ike?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytM-K7kqJf4

You'll have to excuse me if I say Bull**** to that good sir.

He dislikes Chrom, he's a FE Big Brain Pro, and knows from his heart that Chrom is a bland lord...