Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Depressed Gengar]

Good afternoon all, I just got back from my Grandmother's to assist with some yard work and installing Windows 8 on my Grandfather's computer. Can someone please fill me in on what I've missed today?

Diddy Kong talking out of his butt, Toad - Cute Factor + Cool Factor = Ridley, and the fact that Sandshrew is playable.
So, yeah, all the typical crap.

 

[Hotfeet444]

2.) If this is supposedly a hole Ridley makes, why does it look so well structured, as in, intentionally man-made? The whole idea surrounding Ridley being a stage hazard is that he comes bursting out of the hole in the wall to attack the fighters. From a design standpoint, there's no reason why a structured hallway would lead to a dead-end like this that could only be taken advantage of via inhuman methods. If Ridley really did make this hole that he escapes into and comes out of, it would be more crude and broken apart, not a passageway that looks like it will lead to the friggin' Bottle Ship's cafeteria.

Well obviously it means that Ridley is such a mindless monster that he's a master at craftsmanship, being so nice to create his own hallway leading from wall to another wall. He's such a nice guy.

 

[Opossum]

Okay, so I made a roster update. 50 characters with the transformations, 46 slots all together. Muddy's there for a surprise that's at least believable, and the rest are pretty usual picks. Plus, the roster is shaped like a shield. Thoughts?

 

[BluePikmin11]

A real surprise character would be unbelievable.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Which I guess includes not always having decent grammar?

Not my first language.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I don't think people hating a character is really going to sway Sakurai's feelings towards it, but okay. With Mii we'd be adding a VERY unique feature to Smash Bros. That's a lot tp catch Sakurai's attention.

OK I'm just reading through this thread but can I get this out of the way? Dude, if you're going to cut Jigglypuff from the roster you could at least have the decency to add him as DLC over ****ing PICHU I'd also give Falco a DLC slot over say, Lyn or whatever as well... Basically any cut veteran that was in brawl>any one else for DLC =P

I must of posted the wrong DLC picture, I meant to post one that had Jigglypuff & Falco.

Uh, Saturn this not a visual update. A visual update would be a change in appearance and character artwork. This is much more than a "visual update". You JUST posted this roster 6 pages ago:

There are some pretty noticeable differences here, and I can't say that I'm fan of them.
Looks pretty awesome. I think it's perfect for you, I just personally think that the only other character we'll get out of the Kid Icarus franchise is Palutena. But I still see what you're going with for Medusa.

Thanks for the positive feedback. and when I said "visual update" I didn't make a mistake. I have 2 different rosters "45 Roster & 50 Roster" This was a visual update for the 45 Roster. I added your version of Wii Fit Trainer and a new icon of Ike that was bigger with a white outline.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

This is the most recent picture of the Pyrosphere we've gotten. This, in specific, is the hole we all believe to be where Ridley comes from. I merely have two questions for if this really does mean Ridley is a stage hazard:

1.) Of all things, what sense does it make to get everyone riled up and talking about Ridley by refusing to show a single screenshot with him in it? Sakurai knows he's drawing attention to Ridley by doing this. What point is there to doing this if he's just going to be a part of the stage? If he wanted to build all this tension regarding Ridley before unveiling him to be playable, that would make perfect sense on part of how Ridley would gather attention and make SSB4 that much more of a hot topic in the gaming communities and media alike. We would have otherwise seen Ridley long ago if he was just a stage hazard, like Yellow Devil is in Wily's Castle and the Nintendog is in its stage.

2.) If this is supposedly a hole Ridley makes, why does it look so well structured, as in, intentionally man-made? The whole idea surrounding Ridley being a stage hazard is that he comes bursting out of the hole in the wall to attack the fighters. From a design standpoint, there's no reason why a structured hallway would lead to a dead-end like this that could only be taken advantage of via inhuman methods. If Ridley really did make this hole that he escapes into and comes out of, it would be more crude and broken apart, not a passageway that looks like it will lead to the friggin' Bottle Ship's cafeteria.

Now you're almost making me want to rewatch the Other M cutscene where Ridley blew open a hole for himself and escaped, just to take a closer look at the hole he made and compare it to the hole in that picture.

The hole in the pic does seem to be as you described though. Looks more man-made than if a dragon had just fired and burst through it. Still, not sure how much significance that has.

@ Diddy: Sorry, didn't know.

 

[xXBlazeMonkeyXx]

Everytime I enter a house in Zelda...

 

[Arcadenik]

If Ridley really did make this hole that he escapes into and comes out of, it would be more crude and broken apart, not a passageway that looks like it will lead to the friggin' Bottle Ship's cafeteria.

Well, you know, Ridley's appetite is too big.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Now you're almost making me want to rewatch the Other M cutscene where Ridley blew open a hole for himself and escaped, just to take a closer look at the hole he made and compare it to the whole in that picture.

The hole in the pic does seem to be as you described though. Looks more man-made than it did a dragon firing/bursting through it. Still, not sure how much significance that has.

@ Diddy: Sorry, didn't know.

I actually have another idea...Ridley is like Amaterasu....wherever Amaterasu goes, she leaves a path of greenery and flowers behind her...Ridley...he leaves hallways wherever he goes. Why else would his lair always have such winding hallways?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I think the Yellow Devil will be a hazard, personally. (I was really hoping I could fight it as a boss though...)

Also-

Okay, so I made a roster update. 50 characters with the transformations, 46 slots all together. Muddy's there for a surprise that's at least believable, and the rest are pretty usual picks. Plus, the roster is shaped like a shield. Thoughts?

Doesn't look like any franchises are missing.

Well, Pokemon has a fith slot, while Mario has four, but that's not a real issue to me. I'd be fine if this was the roster Smash 4 had.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Everytime I enter a house in Zelda...

Not that your tribute to Yamauchi wasn't touching, but could you either stay on topic or keep spam out of the thread? At the very least, work on your timing so it isn't just random "Oh, you guys are talking about rosters and Ridley again? Here's a macro of Link instead!" messages.

Thaaaaaaaanks.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Are those updated Diddy, Dixie and K.Rool icons already in the Roster Maker?

 

[xXBlazeMonkeyXx]

long live the king

 

[Opossum]

Are those updated Diddy, Dixie and K.Rool icons already in the Roster Maker?

For a few of them, I found some customs laying around in the Roster Maker thread, then added them to the program manually.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Not that your tribute to Yamauchi wasn't touching, but could you either stay on topic or keep spam out of the thread? At the very least, work on your timing so it isn't just random "Oh, you guys are talking about rosters and Ridley again? Here's a macro of Link instead!" messages.

Thaaaaaaaanks.

long live the king

Seriously stop making me use shruggingshulk.png people it's getting tiring.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

What is pre-Melee and pre-Brawl.

You are badly missing the point. Palutena, King K Rool, and Ridley, etc. are currently the most popular potential newcomers for THIS version of Smash. Back in pre-Melee, it was characters like Bowser, Mewtwo, Peach, Zelda, and Ganondorf that were highly requested, and had NONE of them been added to the roster, it would have been highly questionable(*). Back in pre-Brawl, it was characters like King Dedede, Wolf, Meta Knight, Wario, and especially Sonic that were highly requested, and had NONE of them been added to the roster, it would have been highly questionable (**). I'm not saying that if, let's say, one or two of these characters didn't make it in their upcoming roster, Sakurai's decisions would be questionable. I'm saying that if NONE of the most popular newcomers showed up in their upcoming rosters, then THAT would be questionable. Imagine Palutena, King K Rool, and especially Ridley are not in the game.

All this tells me is that Sakurai really doesn't care about popular (non third party) requests, and that our requests really mean nothing if none of the most popular choices make it. It's not even like Palutena or King K Rool are unreasonable choices to add to the roster, so can't see why not? If Sakurai REALLY cares about his (non third party) character requests, he should at least respond to SOME of them, rather than NONE of them.


Oh, and Mewtwo/Roy being cut is entirely different than Sakurai refusing popular requests.

* Note: Dedede wasn't added because Sakurai didn't want to over-represent his series. And in case, for whatever reason, you bring up Snake, he wasn't added because of time constraints.
** Ridley is a notable exception.

 

[Diddy Kong]

So, I'll have to do with the older uglier ones?

Oh look who's back!? It ain't November yet, you know?

Diddy and Wario where also extremely popular pre-Melee btw, but they wheren't in.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Seriously stop making me use shruggingshulk.png people it's getting tiring.

That looks like it could be good for a roster pic, when I think about it.

 

[xXBlazeMonkeyXx]

Not that your tribute to Yamauchi wasn't touching, but could you either stay on topic or keep spam out of the thread? At the very least, work on your timing so it isn't just random "Oh, you guys are talking about rosters and Ridley again? Here's a macro of Link instead!" messages.

Thaaaaaaaanks.

o3o

 

[N3ON]

Everytime I enter a house in Zelda...View attachment 2592

long live the king

o3o

Please try to be more on topic.

 

[Arcadenik]

One of Shulk's taunts should have him shrugging.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Okay... I have to read two chapters of my AP Bio Textbook for my next test.... along with Trigonometry, Psychology, World Religions, and Literature.

I hope the thread will be slightly more interesting tomorrow. Good day, au revoir to you all.

 

[Diddy Kong]

You know Deity, that was quite an intelligent post you made.

I still disagree about Ridley though. Why? Holes.

One of Shulk's taunts should have him shrugging.

Uh Roh 2.0 confirmed?

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

You are badly missing the point. Palutena, King K Rool, and Ridley, etc. are currently the most popular potential newcomers for THIS version of Smash. Back in pre-Melee, it was characters like Bowser, Mewtwo, Peach, Zelda, and Ganondorf that were highly requested, and had NONE of them been added to the roster, it would have been highly questionable(*). Back in pre-Brawl, it was characters like King Dedede, Wolf, Meta Knight, Wario, and especially Sonic that were highly requested, and had NONE of them been added to the roster, it would have been highly questionable (**). I'm not saying that if, let's say, one or two of these characters didn't make it in their upcoming roster, Sakurai's decisions would be questionable. I'm saying that if NONE of the most popular newcomers showed up in their upcoming rosters, then THAT would be questionable. Imagine Palutena, King K Rool, and especially Ridley are not in the game.

All this tells me is that Sakurai really doesn't care about popular (non third party) requests, and that our requests really mean nothing if none of the most popular choices make it. It's not even like Palutena or King K Rool are unreasonable choices to add to the roster, so can't see why not? If Sakurai REALLY cares about his (non third party) character requests, he should at least respond to SOME of them, rather than NONE of them.


Oh, and Mewtwo/Roy being cut is entirely different than Sakurai refusing popular requests.

* Note: Dedede wasn't added because Sakurai didn't want to over-represent his series. And in case, for whatever reason, you bring up Snake, he wasn't added because of time constraints.
** Ridley is a notable exception.

I don't think Zelda was highly requested before Melee. She seemed more like an unexpected character.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

I think Miis are becoming more and more likely, since Sakurai is showing off the Pilotwings stage so much.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I don't think Zelda was highly requested before Melee. She seemed more like an unexpected character.

She was.

Zelda fell into the unexpected pile of characters, along with Sheik, Ice Climbers, and Mr. Game & Watch.

 

[Opossum]

So, I'll have to do with the older uglier ones?

Oh look who's back!? It ain't November yet, you know?

Diddy and Wario where also extremely popular pre-Melee btw, but they wheren't in.

Well, version 6.0 has the colored backgrounds, you know. There's always that!

 

[Diddy Kong]

Is that even logic?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Does anybody think Roy should get over Chrom because he's from a recurring family regardless that Chrom is new and from an already represented family? What would be your answer on a roster with cuts and a roster with NO cuts?

 

[Hotfeet444]

Does anybody think Roy should get over Chrom because he's from a recurring family regardless that Chrom is new and from an already represented family? What would be your answer on a roster with cuts and a roster with NO cuts?

I wouldn't have Roy on either.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Is that even logic?

What the **** is this logic word you speak of?

 

[Diddy Kong]

But which cuts..?

Really, that's kind of important.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I wouldn't have Roy on either.

Why?

 

[Pacack]

Here's a Version with that image that says just toad

You're just the nicest person, you know? :D

 

[Autumn ♫]

Does anybody think Roy should get over Chrom because he's from a recurring family regardless that Chrom is new and from an already represented family? What would be your answer on a roster with cuts and a roster with NO cuts?

I'd probably have him on both. Roy's our boy after all.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Does anybody think Roy should get over Chrom because he's from a recurring family regardless that Chrom is new and from an already represented family? What would be your answer on a roster with cuts and a roster with NO cuts?

Assuming Marth and Ike returned, I'd want Roy to be completely revamped.

If Roy's family isn't represented, I wouldn't mind him getting in for that reason.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'd probably have him on both. Roy's our boy after all.

Can we please take this discussion seriously and give reasonable and explained answers to the question?

 

[Arcadenik]

I think Miis are becoming more and more likely, since Sakurai is showing off the Pilotwings stage so much.

Personally, I think most (if not all) of the Nintendo franchises featured on StreetPass Puzzle Swap are more likely to get characters...

Metroid: Other M
Mario and Bowser
Super Mario Galaxy 2
The Legend of Zelda
Kirby's Dream Land
Pikmin
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D
Star Fox 64 3D
Super Mario 3D Land
Mario Kart 7
Rhythm Heaven Fever
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Pilotwings Resort
Kid Icarus: Uprising
Fire Emblem: Awakening
Mario Tennis Open
Kirby's 20th Anniversary
Brain Age: concentration Training
New Super Mario Bros. 2
Kirby's Return to Dream Land
Animal Crossing: New Leaf
Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon
Dillon's Rolling Western: The Last Ranger
Nintendo Starlets
Xenoblade Chronicles
New Super Mario Bros. U + New Super Luigi U
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
Mario & Luigi: Dream Team
Chibi-Robo: Photography

According to my theory, we might see characters like Chibi-Robo, Shulk, Dillon, Professor Kawashima, Mii, and a Rhythm Heaven character for newcomer franchises and Toad, Waddle Dee, and Chrom (or Lucina) for veteran franchises.

 

[Opossum]

Does anybody think Roy should get over Chrom because he's from a recurring family regardless that Chrom is new and from an already represented family? What would be your answer on a roster with cuts and a roster with NO cuts?

To the both parts, I don't see why multiple "families" need to be represented at all. They're different characters, anyway. On either roster, I'd personally put Chrom instead, due to at least offering more past the aesthetic level.